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World's Biggest Polluters Strike a Deal: U.S. and China Agree to Comprehensive Clean Energy and Climate Plan
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In a joint statement, President Barack Obama and President Hu Jintao agreed on a common approach to achieve a successful outcome in international climate negotiations (emphasis added in bold):
Regarding the upcoming Copenhagen Conference, both sides agree on the importance of actively furthering the full, effective and sustained implementation of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change in accordance with the Bali Action Plan. The United States and China, consistent with their national circumstances, resolve to take significant mitigation actions and recognize the important role that their countries play in promoting a sustainable outcome that will strengthen the world's ability to combat climate change. The two sides resolve to stand behind these commitments.
In this context both sides believe that, while striving for final legal agreement, an agreed outcome at Copenhagen should, based on the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities, include emission reduction targets of developed countries and nationally appropriate mitigation actions of developing countries. The outcome should also substantially scale up financial assistance to developing countries, promote technology development, dissemination and transfer, pay particular attention to the needs of the poorest and most vulnerable to adapt to climate change, promote steps to preserve and enhance forests, and provide for full transparency with respect to the implementation of mitigation measures and provision of financial, technology and capacity building support.
Taken together, these commitments and statements represent an important step forward towards agreeing on a protocol for accurate accounting and verification of China's policies for achieving the necessary emissions reductions that science requires. They will also hopefully start to satisfy those skeptical that China will agree to a protocol for accurate accounting and verification of its impressive array of policies for achieving emissions reductions.
The announcements also suggest that the United States and China are on the same page when it comes to both the necessity of aggressively moving forward on an affirmative agenda to reduce carbon pollution and create millions of new clean energy jobs. The agreement contains concrete measures for sustained and meaningful collaboration and demonstrates that the two largest emitters of greenhouse gases are prepared to move beyond the tired narrative of developed versus developing country responsibilities on climate action toward a more "positive, cooperative, and comprehensive" relationship on clean energy and climate change.
We hope that the upcoming United Nations climate change summit in Copenhagen will follow this example and focus as much on bottom-up technological strategies for achieving real reductions in emissions as it will on top-down targets for carbon caps.
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Posted by: lefty010 on Nov 19, 2009 6:21 AM
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S-C-R-E-W-E-D!!!
Slather on the sunscreen and start building your boat folks because we will never be saved by "clean" coal or by storing greenhouse gases in the earth or by continuing to use nuclear energy with no way to dispose of its toxic/lethal by-products.
It's been a fun ride folks but that ride is just about over and you can thank the merciless, bat-shit insane, delusional, Dr. Strangelove, greedy, short-sighted, profit-at-all-costs crowd who just so happen to be the crazies at the wheel.
Yeeee Haaaawww!!!
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Posted by: Paul_C on Nov 19, 2009 6:29 AM
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Obama's delaying of concrete action until well past the end of the Copenhagen summit renders the summit impotent to accomplish anything of substance, exactly the outcome sought by Big Oil and King Coal.
Obama's rationale for doing so, he wants to study it further and make sure it's done "right", is precisely the corporate line toed by Bush.
To heap insult on injury, these articles of intent outline a policy of heavily subsidizing fossil fuel industry approaches to mitigating global warming, placing highly toxic nuclear, highly dangerous and problematic "clean coal", and a new one - shale gas, another potentially highly toxic ecological nightmare - front and center in terms of promised development funding.
In contrast, the cleanest, cheapest, safest, most readily deployed, most decentralized technologies, wind and solar, are placed in the "to be studied further" category.
Once again we see that Obama has sold us out to the highest bidder and when push comes to shove is no different than Bush on issues of greatest importance to the American people.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: pinkfloydd on Nov 19, 2009 7:25 AM
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Please explain why the hell our president isn't over here creating deals and holding summits on how to get us out of our crippling debt? On creating new, green industries? On getting affordable housing for ALL and not SOME?? Why the hell is he still stating that the illegal bailout of the very companies and industries that put us into this bind was NECESSARY AND HELPFUL??? WTF???
It should be crystal clear to all that not only is our political system a joke, the position of the president has become as powerful and important as that of Britain's Royal Court, or Japan's Emperor; a measly figurehead at best.
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Posted by: greenferret on Nov 19, 2009 10:52 AM
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That's pathetic.
According to the Nobel Prize-winning International Panel on Climate Change, the world must reduce emissions far more aggressively -- 25-40% by 2020 -- to have a 50/50 chance of avoiding runaway climate change.
Tell President Obama and your Members of Congress to support an emissions reduction target of 40% by 2020.
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Posted by: goodyweaver on Nov 19, 2009 7:28 PM
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Did anyone else notice that this supposed "plan" doesn't actually DO ANYTHING? It's just a bunch of gobbletygook about "facilitating research," "developing systems," and "launching programs of cooperation." What BULLSHIT. God.
Show me something that says "The United States will immediately cut Chinese imports by 1/3." "China will immediately pass legislation requiring factories to cut emissions by 30%" "The United States and China agree to pay reparations to the peoples of the third world most impacted by the environmental devastation caused by consumerism." Show me that. Otherwise, Joseph Romm, you big sucker, just CAN IT.
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 19, 2009 11:13 PM
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even to day hungry people run from china.
even to day women and children are traficked.
Dont you realise how the little home industry looks, did you ever see sweatshops where grandma and chidren are working 12 houres a day.
Come have a look how the collected product then are assembled in a clean hall, how there is an airco office whith secretairies and managers.
And if people refuse they are put in jail.
Of course many USAcompanies will make big profits out of the deals,
but save me the shit this is to protect environ ment.
Alternet.shame on you
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Posted by: lefty010 on Nov 19, 2009 6:21 AM
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S-C-R-E-W-E-D!!!
Slather on the sunscreen and start building your boat folks because we will never be saved by "clean" coal or by storing greenhouse gases in the earth or by continuing to use nuclear energy with no way to dispose of its toxic/lethal by-products.
It's been a fun ride folks but that ride is just about over and you can thank the merciless, bat-shit insane, delusional, Dr. Strangelove, greedy, short-sighted, profit-at-all-costs crowd who just so happen to be the crazies at the wheel.
Yeeee Haaaawww!!!
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Posted by: Paul_C on Nov 19, 2009 6:29 AM
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Obama's delaying of concrete action until well past the end of the Copenhagen summit renders the summit impotent to accomplish anything of substance, exactly the outcome sought by Big Oil and King Coal.
Obama's rationale for doing so, he wants to study it further and make sure it's done "right", is precisely the corporate line toed by Bush.
To heap insult on injury, these articles of intent outline a policy of heavily subsidizing fossil fuel industry approaches to mitigating global warming, placing highly toxic nuclear, highly dangerous and problematic "clean coal", and a new one - shale gas, another potentially highly toxic ecological nightmare - front and center in terms of promised development funding.
In contrast, the cleanest, cheapest, safest, most readily deployed, most decentralized technologies, wind and solar, are placed in the "to be studied further" category.
Once again we see that Obama has sold us out to the highest bidder and when push comes to shove is no different than Bush on issues of greatest importance to the American people.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: pinkfloydd on Nov 19, 2009 7:25 AM
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Please explain why the hell our president isn't over here creating deals and holding summits on how to get us out of our crippling debt? On creating new, green industries? On getting affordable housing for ALL and not SOME?? Why the hell is he still stating that the illegal bailout of the very companies and industries that put us into this bind was NECESSARY AND HELPFUL??? WTF???
It should be crystal clear to all that not only is our political system a joke, the position of the president has become as powerful and important as that of Britain's Royal Court, or Japan's Emperor; a measly figurehead at best.
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Posted by: greenferret on Nov 19, 2009 10:52 AM
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That's pathetic.
According to the Nobel Prize-winning International Panel on Climate Change, the world must reduce emissions far more aggressively -- 25-40% by 2020 -- to have a 50/50 chance of avoiding runaway climate change.
Tell President Obama and your Members of Congress to support an emissions reduction target of 40% by 2020.
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Posted by: goodyweaver on Nov 19, 2009 7:28 PM
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Did anyone else notice that this supposed "plan" doesn't actually DO ANYTHING? It's just a bunch of gobbletygook about "facilitating research," "developing systems," and "launching programs of cooperation." What BULLSHIT. God.
Show me something that says "The United States will immediately cut Chinese imports by 1/3." "China will immediately pass legislation requiring factories to cut emissions by 30%" "The United States and China agree to pay reparations to the peoples of the third world most impacted by the environmental devastation caused by consumerism." Show me that. Otherwise, Joseph Romm, you big sucker, just CAN IT.
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 19, 2009 11:13 PM
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even to day hungry people run from china.
even to day women and children are traficked.
Dont you realise how the little home industry looks, did you ever see sweatshops where grandma and chidren are working 12 houres a day.
Come have a look how the collected product then are assembled in a clean hall, how there is an airco office whith secretairies and managers.
And if people refuse they are put in jail.
Of course many USAcompanies will make big profits out of the deals,
but save me the shit this is to protect environ ment.
Alternet.shame on you
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