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The Battle Over Raw Milk: Let's Ditch the Hysterics and Give People a Choice

By Jill Richardson, AlterNet. Posted October 29, 2009.


Few foods provoke such strong reactions (for and against it) as raw milk. Find out why.
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Mention raw milk to some people, and you'll have to wait for them to stop yelling before you can have a conversation about it. Few foods provoke such strong reactions (for and against it) as raw milk.

Some people credit it with beneficial health effects, but others believe it's so risky it ought to be banned. The issue of raw milk -- milk that has not been pasteurized -- also raises a number of questions about our government's role in regulating foods when that is in conflict with individuals' freedom to choose foods that they consider important to their diets.

Those who drink raw milk go to great lengths to obtain it -- paying $5 to $10 per gallon for it -- sometimes even buying a share of a cow or regularly driving several hours to pick it up from a dairy.

They don't do this just because it tastes good. For some, it is a desire for natural, unprocessed foods. For others, it is part of a larger interest in sustainable agriculture and supporting farmers who use methods that help the environment.

For many, it is about the health benefits derived from probiotics, enzymes and nutrients that are destroyed during pasteurization. Few studies have been done in the U.S. on the health benefits of raw milk, either to prove or disprove them. However, the health benefits of breast milk are well known, as Scientific American reported, and breast milk is raw milk. Recently, European studies have shown that raw milk provides a protective effect against children developing asthma or allergies.

Aside from scientific evidence, raw-milk drinkers point to numerous anecdotal benefits. In a survey of milk drinkers in the state of Michigan, over 80 percent of those advised by a health care professional that they were lactose intolerant were able to consume raw milk without problem. Individuals have written testimonials crediting raw milk with alleviating their allergies, asthma, Crohn's disease, other digestive problems, osteopenia, failure to thrive in infants and boosting their immune systems so that they do not suffer from colds and the flu as they did before consuming raw milk.

There are even reports of improvement in autistic children, such as one mother who attributes to raw milk her son's ability to attend regular school instead of special education. The boy lived in his own world up until the age of 7, when his mother changed his diet, including the addition of raw milk. A high-schooler today, he can drive, and he plans to attend college.

Ultimately, the scientific evidence is not conclusive, and the anecdotal stories are just that -- individual reports that may be attributed to other factors.

The benefits of raw milk have not been scientifically proved or disproved. In order to understand all of the facts, scientific studies should be conducted to verify which of the reported health benefits of raw milk are accurate.

If raw milk might be an overlooked superfood, then why is there such controversy?

Regulators point to the risk of consuming a raw animal product. The basic facts about raw-milk safety are the same as any other food. If raw milk is not contaminated by microbial pathogens, it is safe to drink. If it is contaminated, then the microbe can sicken anyone who drinks the milk. Contamination can come from bovine diseases, or manure or dirt that is brought into contact with the milk by insects or humans.

Most raw-milk drinkers take care in choosing the sources of their milk and choose farmers who take steps to reduce the risks (for example, by careful sanitation of their equipment). In contrast, milk that is intended for pasteurization is typically produced in large, confinement dairies that can fall back on the knowledge that any bugs in the milk will be killed during pasteurization.

The question is: Which is more significant, raw milk's health benefits over and above pasteurized milk, or its health risks? And the answer to that question depends on who you ask.

Regulators point to statistics on food-poisoning outbreaks and cases attributed to raw milk compared to the number attributed to pasteurized milk. According to the CDC's numbers, there were 74 outbreaks due to raw milk in the U.S. from 1993 to 2006. These outbreaks led to 1,600 individual food-poisoning cases, including 202 hospitalizations and two deaths. During the same time period, there were 48 outbreaks due to pasteurized milk, leading to 1,223 cases, 30 hospitalizations and one death. These numbers look roughly equivalent until you consider that many more people drink pasteurized milk than the number of those who drink raw milk. Regulators estimate that less than 0.5 percent of U.S. milk is consumed unpasteurized. If that's the case, assuming the above statistics are accurate, then raw milk is much riskier than pasteurized milk.


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Jill Richardson is the founder of the blog La Vida Locavore and is a member of the Organic Consumers Association policy advisory board. She is the author of Recipe for America: Why Our Food System Is Broken and What We Can Do to Fix It.

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There is nothing wrong with raw milk.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Oct 29, 2009 12:19 AM   
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The problem is Big Agri that gets in the way of healthy food and produce. Let's review. Big Agri forces cornfeed down the cows' throats and then has to inject antibiotics due to the side effects of corn feed in cows such as producing e-coli. Then there's rbgh to puff up those sales regardless of the lack of nutrients from all this. I take raw milk every now and then and I haven't died from it. My cat loves raw milk. In fact, I once fed her the typical corn fed milk and one hour later she threw up. That alone confirms that raw milk is better and healthier.

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» RE: There is nothing wrong with raw milk. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Sure there is. Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Sure there is. Posted by: Imanibr2
» RE: Sure there is. Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Sure there is. Posted by: Imanibr2
» RE: Sure there is. Posted by: suprmark
But people used to drink it all the time...
Posted by: Wendiego on Oct 29, 2009 1:06 AM   
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Pastuerization was not always around. I am pretty sure autism was nowhere near as prevalent even a mere 20 years ago, so how can raw milk be to blame? As for asthma, how about the fact that it is so damn hard to buy a cleaning product that is NOT heavily chemically scented? The really strong scents thing has come on within the last decade or so I think. As for drinking raw milk, it may be more likely to have bacteria or whatnot, due to its natural state. But, I just don't see how it can be to blame for modern health problems. The drinking of raw milk is so rare compared with the large numbers of those who suffer from asthma and autism.

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» Raw milk came first Posted by: eksommer
Autism? Not one word in the article!
Posted by: heid on Oct 29, 2009 2:28 AM   
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What kind of nonsense is AlterNet trying to promulgate? They include a purported threat of autism associated with raw milk in the subhead, but there's not a single word of autism in the article.

The heading doesn't even provide any indication of the nature of the article itself, which expresses frustration with precisely this sort of wild claim.

What's going on at AlterNet?

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Raw milk is great
Posted by: deenie on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 AM   
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My wife and I have been drinking it for several years. We drive 60 miles one-way to get it, but we do it because we think it is worth it. The milk is from a small herd of grass fed Jersey cows and it is the best milk we've ever had. We get several gallons of it plus several dozen of their free range eggs. We make butter, yogurt and kefir from the milk. It is all incomparably delicious. Raw milk contains natural anti-bacterial agents in it so we worry not. Plus we trust the farm family as they are hard-core and dedicated to what they're doing. They have a thriving business selling beef, chickens, eggs, and the milk. The kids, seven of them, are all home schooled and exceptionally healthy and bright.
I can say that in the four years we've been drinking the raw milk that our health has continually improved. I'm 69 and feel like I am 25 wrt energy level. My wife too feels far younger than her years and does advanced yoga easily these days. Remember that the government is really not interested in our wellbeing. They seem to rather want sick prone people who will feed the sickcare system. We refuse to play their game!

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Misleading!
Posted by: BeckyD on Oct 29, 2009 2:36 AM   
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The teaser to this story says "Evidence is piling up that drinking raw milk may lead to autism and asthma" which made no sense to me, as those conditions are far more common now than they were 100 years ago when everybody drank raw milk.

So I read the story, which says instead that "Recently, European studies have shown that raw milk provides a protective effect against children developing asthma or allergies."

Rather than leading to asthma and autism, evidence shows that raw milk may prevent these conditions. Alternet complains about Fox News's lack of journalistic standards. Do the people who write your teasers and headlines even bother to read the articles?

And anyway, there's nothing wrong with raw milk. I grew up on it, and if I could get it, I'd use it now. Far better raw milk from local, sustainable dairies than hormone enhanced crap from abused factory farm cows.

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Left of the Line Fails Alternative Movement
Posted by: George DeCarlo on Oct 29, 2009 3:20 AM   
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Once again politics on the left of the linear spectrum fails. The Alternative Health Movement has millions from across the spectrum yet this nonsense information is spread in favor of Big Pharm/Biotech/AgriBusiness. It is no wonder that maany in the alternative health movement are seeking partisan politics to the right no matter their other concerns.

Why do many left of center crave for Big Industry ideas & solutions when health is a concern? Why do they support a food & health system that wants only toxins to treat illness and health?

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Headline editors...
Posted by: Farmertim on Oct 29, 2009 4:00 AM   
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get your heads out of your a**..
Yesterday you got Sally Fallons name wrong and now this...proponents of raw milk testify to raw milk relieving autism and asthma not a prelude to it!!!
As an early pioneer producer of raw milk and consultant to nearthy every raw milk producer in the US, Canada & Australia..the key to a good product is starting with finding cows/goats that have not been exposed to the commercial dairy industry.
In short that means you find good quality cows, from long strong cow families that have been in a closed herd for as long as possible..which means to the non dairy person no cows came in from other farms bringing the infections and ill health of the animals the commercial dairy industry is known for due to the shuffle nature of turn and burn your cows.
Here are a few things we do not want and look for before buying, Johnnes, Brucelosis, Staph areous & e-coli mastitis, foot warts, ketotisis, disentary, cocidiosis, very short lives, high mortality rates in calves, and high percentages of bull calves.
Yum.
Yes it is a pain to find these animals without the above afflictions..but when we do the real work begins..building the soil and its representative nutrient density, to produce a superior quality grain forage and pasture.
Always on the look out for animal health and "prevention" measures every day.
Every aspect of the actions on the farm relate to a quality product...is that for everybody? Nope.. but those who do go to the extent of understanding animal health and its soil related properties are rewarded with an ever growing grateful consumer who realizes its much more effiecent to buy good food than pay high health care costs....goes down a lot easier too.
Farmertim

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» RE: Headline editors... Posted by: 3rdI
Milk is not food
Posted by: frantaylor on Oct 29, 2009 4:11 AM   
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The only reason humans can digest it at all is because of a genetic defect.

Most Asians do not suffer from this genetic defect and they cannot digest milk,

Drink up, mutants!

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» RE: Milk is not food Posted by: Frustrated Farmer
» Yeah, all mammals are mutants.... Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: Milk is not food Posted by: clvngodess
» RE: Milk is not food Posted by: ginny
» RE: that's silly Posted by: wwittman
headline again, please...
Posted by: jwbmalik on Oct 29, 2009 4:20 AM   
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The article is well written...too bad the headline is very mis-stated.

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Raw milk can kill you!
Posted by: PJAW on Oct 29, 2009 4:46 AM   
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And then you won't be around to consume such legal products as alcohol and tobacco. Idiocy.

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» That myth has been debunked already. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
Controversy
Posted by: Frustrated Farmer on Oct 29, 2009 5:16 AM   
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More and more as I continue to peruse AlterNet I come to feel that the editors introduce articles such as this in order to promote controversy and response.
My reasoning? The article and the responses.

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Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: ThomasJefferson on Oct 29, 2009 5:29 AM   
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So you enjoy writing articles about something you know nothing about, huh?

"Few studies have been done in the U.S. on the health benefits of raw milk, either to prove or disprove them." so rather than actually dig for information, you choose also to use anecdotal.

If you even bothered to actually investigate you will see that that last government paid for research was back in the 1940's by the Scotts. The last one in the US was in the teens.

I have been drinking raw milk for over 3 years. I'm perfectly fine. Like anything else in this nation, you have to do research into the food you eat and make sure the milk comes from a dairy that is inspected. I get my milk from a USDA inspected farm.

People who drink raw milk are generally more informed about the food we put into our bodies.

You say that raw milk MAY lead to autism and asthma. Good lord who do you get your crappy ass info from? So let's take the onus off of big pharma with their poorly tested drugs and put it on the farmer.

The rise in autism and asthma began long before the new raw milk movement AND why isn't there any evidence showing huge cases of those two conditions prior to pasturization?

Because it's bullshit. That's why. Stop carrying the water of stupidity, it's very unattractive.

man, just so much stupidity.

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RAW MILK may cause Autism and Asthma???
Posted by: snowhound on Oct 29, 2009 5:46 AM   
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The headline of this article indicates that Raw Milk may increase the risk of Autism and Asthma but the body of the article describes just the opposite effect. Am I missing something here??

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Should "Leads to" be "Cures" in the sub-head?
Posted by: Goldfinch on Oct 29, 2009 6:11 AM   
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I think there's a typo in the sub-head. Should "Leads to" autism and asthma be "cures"?

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rbrooks
Posted by: rbrooks on Oct 29, 2009 6:16 AM   
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Come on, Jill. My entire extended family grew up on raw milk, and so did everyone we knew, and none of us never heard of autism until they started putting mercury in kid's shots.

This is crap and its SO predictable - can't you ID a Monsanto hit job when you see one?

You need to find out where this disinformation is coming from instead of repeating it. Wherever it is, it's coming from the anti-organic crime syndicate.

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» Autism Has Been Around Forever Posted by: dudelette
» Yes, so Posted by: dudelette
» RE: Autism Has Been Around Forever Posted by: progressiveview
rbrooks
Posted by: rbrooks on Oct 29, 2009 6:18 AM   
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Who wrote that headline?

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I don't buy it
Posted by: jbello on Oct 29, 2009 6:18 AM   
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I have a lot of allergies and high fat milk really bothers me. The only time in my life I could ever drink whole milk, I was buying raw milk from a local dairy. The enzymes that are killed in the pasteurization process are critical to digestion.
Of course raw milk is more likely to have bacteria if it is old or isn't stored properly. But that is an issue with mass production not raw milk.
Milk treated with RBST and loaded with antibiotics is the real problem. Now they are telling us fresh food is toxic. Sure, there's no profit for Monsanto. Give me a break!

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proof reading is important
Posted by: blogfrog on Oct 29, 2009 6:25 AM   
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The tag line under this blog offering states raw milk may lead to autism or asthma.

Besides being 180 degrees in the opposite direction from what the author and piece express it is irritating that such a quality blog entity like Alternet would let this slip through.

When this happens it arms mainstream media with more reasons to discount the source.

Don't start slacking off...being professional means delivering the same level of quality each and every time.

Keep up the great work...

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from a dairy farmer--
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 29, 2009 6:43 AM   
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I was a dairy farmer until about 3 years ago. Milked cows for 25 years, as my dad and grand dad before me. That's about 80 years of dairy farming.

All of us in our family (seven kids) and my parents and grandparents drank raw milk all our lives while we were milking cows.

According to this article: myself, my siblings, my mom and dad, my grandparents, my uncles and aunts, --we should all be wheezing autistics by now.

So should all my neighbors who also milked cows, and their kids. Maybe I'm missing something but they all seem to be breathing just fine. I've never heard of any of them with autism.

Yet my grandparents lived past 90, my dad lived to 89. There were two Regents scholarships in my family.

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Alternet--how much actual farming have you done?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 29, 2009 6:47 AM   
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Have you ever done dairying? When have you last been to a dairy farm? When was the last time you were even within 50 miles of a dairy farm?

How much involvement have ANY of the Food Rant people at Alternet had with farming? Either livestock or grain?

I'm talking hands-on experience--not just stuff you have read or seen in videos?

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Autism strikes 1 in 157 American kids,
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 29, 2009 6:46 AM   
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... but autism strikes 1 in 15,000 Amish American kids. The question is, why are most American kids getting this disease at rates 100 times higher than the Amish, who reject many modern conveniences...

... such as, perhaps, spraying pesticides on their fields. Pesticides and herbicides are linked with autism, but they make your lawn nice and green for a month until the grubs come back with a vengeance because you killed off all their predators.

... such as, perhaps, child vaccinations which are loaded with adjuvants. Adjuvants are toxins which irritate the human immune system to boost the body's immune response to a certain weakened/dead virus in the vaccine. Numbers of people have reported their kids first becoming autistic, dramatically, within hours of a childhood vaccination.

I'm really on the outside of the autism debate, as I have no kids. However, it's striking that the Amish don't have autism. It's not a genetic issue. Thousands of Amish kids have abandoned the faith and gone to the standard American way of life, so we can check their autism rate.

Modern research may be highly influenced by big money. Pesticide companies should shake in their wing-tips when they look at what class-action suits have already done to asbestos manufacturers, to cigarette companies and to the chemical industry in general.

Studies on phthalates, plasticizers found in the plastic in some water bottles, were grouped into industry-funded studies and independently funded studies. Of the industry-funded studies, 100% of these studies found no health problems with phthalates. Of the independently funded studies, 100% of these studies found health problems with phthalates.

I'm an intelligent person and I'm highly skeptical of "scientific studies" these days. Who did the study, who paid for the study, and who vetted the study?

I'm also highly skeptical of the term "organic" these days, ever since the government monopolized the term and since big corporate money bought up the largest organic businesses. "Organic" can now mean, "we cut every environmental and safety corner we can, given the government's rules and the government's enforcement ability".

Only now can I talk about "raw milk". Raw milk from a major corporation is most likely not safe. Raw milk from an Amish producer might be much safer. I'm sure the corporate folks would say I'm butting in, but that's what citizens do whenever perhaps 50% of the scientific literature is tainted by money to produce a preferred scientific result.

I equally am circumspect of paid boiler-room bloggers who influence debates on Alternet and elsewhere. I'm also aware of the existence of corporate money-influenced reporters who set out to frame public health issues for the general public. In this case I'm not at all sure, but stacked up against the above assertions, this article may have a faint odor.

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» I wrote too fast. Posted by: PaulK
A TYPICAL ALTERFLAKE EDITOR AT WORK
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Oct 29, 2009 7:00 AM   
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WRITING TODAY'S STORY

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Quick! Change the headline..
Posted by: Opie on Oct 29, 2009 7:11 AM   
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Some people only read headlines and Raw Milk has done nothing to deserve bad press.

I've been drinking raw milk (and my own raw yogurt from it) for almost two years. WITH significant health improvements, including loosing a stubborn 10 pounds (yummy fatty whole milk!).

Raw milk itself poses no risks greater than any other raw food. The risks are in the handling. The laws (pasteurization) are to protect agri-business. If we can buy sushi, raw vegetables etc. why can't we buy raw milk? Oh yea, we're protecting factory farming. So instead of cleaning up their act AND feeding cows properly, we just cook the hell out the pathogens (and the PRObiotics & enzymes that contributes to milks health food status) and create campaigns convincing the public pasteurization is a good thing.

What science?? Is a blueberry not good for you until science has proven it with a double blind placebo controlled study?

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vegetarianism vs. veganism
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 29, 2009 7:14 AM   
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Regarding vegetarianism vs. veganism, man is the only species that drinks the milk of another species. All other species drink the milk of the mothers of their own species until they are weaned. Cow's milk is the perfect food—if you're a baby calf!

To mass produce cow's milk on a large scale via factory farming, cows have to be kept continually pregnant, giving birth, and lactating. The cows are genetically bred to produce excess cow's milk for humans. Male cows (bulls) are useless to the dairy industry, so they become veal. By supporting the dairy industry, one indirectly supports cow killing.

Vegetarians do cause far less animal cruelty than meat-eaters, but a nonviolent philosophy would carry greater weight from vegans than from vegetarians.

The meat-eaters, especially, exactly, are ready to find fault with us in this regard: do we love all animals, or only some animals (e.g., cows) and not others? And if we really do love the cows, why do we contribute to their death and suffering just to drink their milk?

Can children be raised without cow's milk? YES! Half the world's population (blacks and Asians in particular) are lactose intolerant, and can't digest milk after infancy. Dr. Michael Klaper has written books on vegan nutrition, pregnancy, and childbirth.

One of the first books I read on the subject of vegetarianism while in college was A Vegetarian Sourcebook by Keith Akers (1983). Describing the environmental damage caused by raising animals for food: topsoil erosion, deforestization, loss of groundwater, etc. as well as the economic inefficiency and waste of energy and resources in raising animals for food in an age of exploding human population growth, Keith Akers foreshadowed John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987), which was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.

In A Vegetarian Sourcebook, Keith Akers writes:

"Using grasslands for livestock agriculture creates great environmental problems, which greatly limit its usefulness. Grazing systems require ten times more land than feedlot agriculture, in which animals are simply given feed grown on cropland. Grazing systems have to be extensive in order to avoid the catastrophic consequences of overgrazing—which renders a piece of land unsuitable for any purpose.

"Overgrazing and the consequent soil erosion are extremely serious problems worldwide. By the most conservative estimates, 60% of all U.S. rangelands are overgrazed, with billions of tons of soil lost each year. Overgrazing has also been the greatest cause of man-made deserts.

"Even if we grant grazing a role in a resource-efficient, ecologically stable agriculture, milk should be the end result, not beef. Milk provides over 50% of the protein and nearly four times the calories of beef, per unit of forage resources from grazing.

"'When only forage is available, then egg, broiler and pork production are eliminated and only milk, beef, and lamb production are viable systems,' state David and Marcia Pimentel, scientists and authors of Food, Energy and Society. "Of these three, milk production is the most efficient.'

"An ecologically stable, resource-efficient system of grazing animals for human food could not be anything faintly resembling today's livestock agriculture," concludes Akers. "It would be a smaller, decentralized, less intensive system of animal husbandry devoted to milk production."

This is what the Vedas say as well: an acre of land, a cow and a bull, and you're all set! The Vedas also warn that when a population is sinful, their land becomes a desert--and overgrazing does lead to topsoil erosion, which in turn leads to desertification. So it may be possible to have animal agriculture (devoted solely to milk production) on a small scale—like the Amish.

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Initial reason for pasteurisation
Posted by: phindrup on Oct 29, 2009 8:02 AM   
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Initially the reason the milk was pasteurised was to combat TB — tuberculous — and in the large towns and cities in New Zealand, pasteurisation was being done at least 60 years ago.

Growing up farming, we, and everybody else who farmed, milked ‘house cows’. It took years for me to accept that pasteurised ‘milk’ could be deemed to be milk.

In NZ TB testing of herds was mandatory — I would think it probably still is — and while I know nothing of milk collection and transportation in the US, I do know that if a farmers milk was contaminated, depending upon the degree, he would get little or nothing for the milk, and if it wasn’t immediately brought up to standard it would not be accepted by the milk processors.

To suggest that because milk is going to be processed, production standards can be sloppy is nonsense.

The other aspect is that assuming that US production facilities match those of Australia and New Zealand, it would take an act of gross neglect to contaminate the milk. Certainly the milk from modern facilities has far less contaminates in the form of gunk that has fallen into the milk, than was the case back when we hand milked our house cows.

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raw milk and raw oysters
Posted by: serenityfarm on Oct 29, 2009 8:07 AM   
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Personnaly (except for tagline), I thought the article was well written and the bigger point really is: give consumers a choice. FDA is now in the process of regulating the sale of raw oysters in the warmer months unless they have been heat treated, flash frozen or treated with gamma radiation.

Consumers need to be able to choose the food and products they want to consume. If they want to poison themselves with stuff like junk food, processed food, or tobacco, they have a choice, if we want to eat healthy food like raw milk or cheese, in most states we don't. That is wrong and needs to be changed. Just my two cents.

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ALTERNET - STOP THE MISINFORMATION!!
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 29, 2009 8:11 AM   
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ALTERNET -

RAW MILK HAS NOT BEEN KNOWN TO CAUSE AUTISM.

PASTEURIZED milk may be a factor, not RAW.

The pasteurization, the antibiotics and growth hormones forced on cows on factory farms, pesticides in the corn fed to cows; these are the possible contributing factors to autism, not RAW.

Raw milk and cheese that is organic (free of pesticides, growth hormones, antibiotics, and from grass-fed, free roaming cows or goats) has enzymes that aid digestion.

Get your facts straight and STOP misleading the public with your false headlines!

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triffel
Posted by: Triffel on Oct 29, 2009 8:19 AM   
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If you want some real health evidence, talk to the dairy farm families who have been raw junkies our entire lives. I drink but do not sell raw milk. I don't think there is an affordable liability insurance to make it worth while.

To add my comment about pasteurized milk. Every single glass of milk which is pasteurized, is tested for the presents of antibiotics, water, bacteria, somatic cells, foreign material, etc. The small, raw milk farm may have the milk lab tested only several times a year. You live on blind faith when drinking raw milk.

The organic milk farm is yet a different story. The cows are treated as though they live in pre-civilization. Can you imagine how much suffering you would endure without medicine. When a cow gets sick, they suffer much more before before dying. How humane is that?

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Wait a minute!
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 29, 2009 9:36 AM   
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statistics on food-poisoning outbreaks and cases attributed to raw milk compared to the number attributed to pasteurized milk. ... During the same time period, there were 48 outbreaks due to pasteurized milk, leading to 1,223 cases, 30 hospitalizations and one death.

Food poisoning from pasteurized milk? I thought killing bacteria was the whole point of pasteurization.

A note on the "poor, sick cows" comment above -- properly-raised cows are not permanently sick from living in Tokyo-subway conditions amid constant filth, like cows are forced to do on "mainstream" farms. Therefore, they don't need to live on a constant diet of antibiotics -- a neverending source of antibiotic-resistant strains of germs, BTW.

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A few thoughts
Posted by: willymack on Oct 29, 2009 9:58 AM   
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There are far too many humans on Planet Earth, therefore:
Unless the world popolation diminishes, problems associated with psychotic greed, such as pollution, climate change, "allergies", autisism, etc., etc will only INCREASE, scientific advances notwithstanding.
People of Northern European descent are mentally conditioned to drink milk, because it wasn't that long ago that if one did, and ate potatoes, complete nutrition took place; at least one didn't STARVE.
Europeans who came to North America brought their cows and ways of thinking with them, and the business community took over from there.Now, milk is a mega business, complete with government price supports.
Most people quit drinking milk when they start growing teeth as babies, and as Mom doesn't like getting her breasts bitten, she weans the kid. Of course, there's quite a difference between human and bovine milk, which is all most kids get here.
I really don't care if bovine milk IS digestible by most people of European descent; it's probably laced with so many chemicals we're not being told about, it's a wonder there aren't MORE, not less problems associated with milk, pasturized or not.

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Cow's milk is for baby cows, not humans
Posted by: Raw_Sunflower on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM   
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Whether it's raw or cooked (pasteurized), it's still cow's milk. Cow's milk is produced to bring a small, newborn, calf to roughly full size in five months. We should be asking ourselves why we, as adult humans, need milk at all? And, why are we giving it to our babies and children. All other animals are weaned off of milk. Take a look at "The China Study" to see the correlation between animal protein and disease. Then, write a new article.

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Raw milk helps Autism...Jill, please review your data
Posted by: mark mcafee on Oct 29, 2009 12:31 PM   
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Jill,

Please review your data and research. Raw milk and fermented raw milk helps autistic kids like no other food on earth. see www.californiarawmilk.org for testimonials from moms that say just that and more. Autistic kids have terrible disbiosis and GUT issues. One of the best food therapies is the reseeding and feeding of the missing gut bacteria. This bacteria comes from raw milk and fermented raw milks, not pastuerized dead milk or dairy products. Just like breast milk...raw milk heals like no other food.

Also...Organic Pastures Dairy has never ever bottled one ounce of another dairies raw milk...not one drop. This is a blantant lie and an untruth spoken to try and hurt OPDC and misslead our consumers.

I ask you to print a retraction or face a letter from our attorney.

Lastly....Dr. Mike Payne ( a "GOT MILK" CMAB PhD at UC Davis )has testified under oath that he does not think that raw milk is safe under any conditions. He stood against SB 201 along with CDFA and UC Davis. SB 201 established very strong HACCP type protections for raw milk in CA. SB 201 was vetoed by the governor after UC Davis ( Mike Payne ) and CDFA "back doored" the legislative process. SB 201 had passed both houses of the legilsature and was on the governors desk when it was vetoed...now Mike Payne demands a HACCP program for CA raw milk. This is an outrage and disingenious.... he speaks with forked tongue!!

Raw milk is a choice made by consumers and that is the end of the story. All of the crying and sniveling done by Mike Payne and others is irrelavent. The people drink raw milk and will defend that right at the legislature ( and they have already done so ). When the SB 201 hearings were held last year....the FDA and CDFA did not even show up ( Senator Dean Florez had invited them to please be present ) yet they did not even show.

The 50,000 people that consume raw milk in CA could careless what UC Davis or big ag sayes about their personal choices. Raw milk in CA must pass all of the standards for pastuerized milk with out being pastuerized. It is clean yet it is biodiverse,enzyme rich and very safe.

Jill....how come you never called me for an interview prior to posting this piece. It is poorly researched and is filled with political crap that is unsupported by fact or documented history in the legislature and the courts. Much of what you have said in your article is just not so....it is false.

Please call me anytime...I will give you the facts and you can confirm them.

1-877 RAW MILK....I take calls from all of our consumers everyday and I will take yours also.

All the best,

Mark McAfee
Founder OPDC
Fresno CA

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Who will test milk
Posted by: zapatismo on Oct 29, 2009 5:11 PM   
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If big ag (dept of ag) is the ones that test raw milk, guess what the results will be.
Pasturized is a fancy name for cooking milk, by the time the big dairy processers finish the Ultra cooking, you have white water.
Let's see two people died from an unregulated product. How many thousands die in regulated auto crashes, mistakes in hospitals, gun shots.

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billy pligrim
Posted by: billy pilgrim on Oct 29, 2009 5:41 PM   
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How about we forget the hysterics about smoking and give people a choice? How about that?

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Tastes so good
Posted by: lalala on Oct 29, 2009 6:54 PM   
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Have you ever tasted raw milk? Its yummy. It tastes NOTHING like store bought milk.

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wrusssr
Posted by: wrusssr on Oct 29, 2009 7:41 PM   
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During the 1940s my dad had a dairy herd of about 20 cows—Holsteins, Jerseys, Guernseys—which he milked religiously morning and night. We pastured them on alfalfa and grass and kept them inside a single wire electric fence.

Being fairly progressive, my dad also employed an early version of the electric milking machine; enabling us to milk a half-dozen cows at a time.

To do this, one had to wash the cow’s udder and teats good before affixing the four suction cups.

When a cow was milked you pulled the suction cups, unplugged the milking machine, lugged its full container into the milk room, set it down, popped the lids off it and a metal milk can and poured the steaming milk into the can.

That done, you put the milk can’s lid back on and returned to the milking floor; pausing only to dip the milking machine’s suction cups in a bucket of disinfectant; followed by a dip in a bucket of clean water.

The cups and lid then were reattached to the milk container; all of which was reattached to another cow.

At the end of all this we might have a half-dozen large milk cans full of warm milk. As we filled one, my dad would make sure the lid was on tight before he hoisted it into a big metal cooler-box full of cold water. The water came almost to the neck of the can; where it and the others stayed until the milk truck from the local creamery arrived on its morning collection rounds enroute to the creamery in Portales.

The creamery weighed the milk from our farm, checked it for bacteria, and sent my dad a monthly check for whatever the going price per pound for milk was then.

Point is, the last thing we did each night before dropping the last can of milk into the cooler was to pour a bucketful of milk for the house; which I lugged to our kitchen.

There, my mother took the milk, poured it through a strainer that sat over the mouth of a big milk jar, then set the jar in our ‘ice box.’

The next morning cream would have risen to the top of the milk—more if it was Jersey or Guernsey milk, less from a Holstein. Whoever got to it first in the morning spooned the cream into our cream pitcher; which everyone put in their coffee.

When we had enough extra cream, we churned butter.

The cold milk we chugged like soda pop, ate on our hot cereal, cooked with.

We went through a big jar every other day.

In the summer time we made homemade ice cream.

We did this, I guess for, oh, nine or ten years.

Don’t ever remember my brother or me or my cousins who visited us from the city getting sick.

Or even nauseous.

There might have been better things than a handful of cookies and a glass of cold, raw, bacteria-infected milk to dip them in every evening when the school bus dropped you off in front of the farm house, but I wasn't aware of one.

Mercifully, the government stepped in and saved us from ourselves; decreeing that all milk consumed by Americans had to be pasteurized.

Who knows, drinking unpasteurized milk might have gotten to be as dangerous as the naturally occurring radon in our houses.

Or the arsenic in our water wells.

Or the lead in our water pipes.

Or the impurities we all breathed when sandstorms blew for two days and we had to wear handkerchiefs over our noses and mouths.

Thankfully, the government is still saving us.

From bogeymen. Aka terrorists. Aka pandemics.

Bogeymen, like raging bacteria swimming in raw milk, are important when you’re trying to control an Internet-informed population.

Or get laws passed to control them.

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Taking Back Food
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 PM   
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It's only been recently that I have started reading up on Agribiz. Like GM Foods, the milk debate has shocked me. Who knew that there was such controversy, It's only food right? I bet a lot of people are surprised to find out once they dig deeper.

Finally, I realized that this is about control. Agribiz wants to control food. Not just its markets, but the whole food chain. They want to control seed. They want to dictate what food is ok and what isn't. Once I realized this, I realized that planting your own organic garden, or demanding to be able to choose raw milk is a political act. A form of protest.

I see now that the reason this angers the Agbiz giants is that they know if people take back food and develop relationships with producers then we will realize that we are essentially removing them from the deal.

Everything I've read leads me to conclude that true sustainable food will take place locally, where people develop relationships with farmers, where we don't need reams of legislation, because the relationship between producer and consumer is built on transparency and trust.

Biodiversity isn't applicable to the homogeniety that capitalist economies of scale demand. That idea scares the living shit out of them.

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I find it funny
Posted by: lkregula on Oct 30, 2009 3:59 AM   
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Just yesterday the headline for this story in the email updates read:



Got Raw Milk? Think Twice Before You Drink It
By Jill Richardson, AlterNet
Evidence is piling up that drinking raw milk may lead to autism and asthma, but clear scientific proof of its dangers is lacking.

The subtitle is really telling, I think, and reveals a real bias. If you had substituted the word vaccine, it would read "Evidence is piling up that getting vaccinated may lead to autism and asthma, but clear scientific proof of its dangers is lacking." And the recommendation would be to ignore any risk and get vaccinated.

The context from yesterday's blurb situates the issue as don't ignore the risk, it's just too dangerous. I'm glad AlterNet changed the story.

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Contented like Elsie
Posted by: Photohombre on Oct 30, 2009 8:28 AM   
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As a child I lived on a farm for two years, eating our own butchered animals, collecting eggs from the many layers, and drinking milk I myself had milked from the cow. Now fast forward fifty years. About a year ago I heard about a farm in the greater Denver area that provides raw milk. After doing my research I contacted them but had to be wait-listed in order to participate. I'm now a happy participant. One must buy a share in the cow, pay a monthly boarding fee, in exchange for a gallon of fresh milk per week. Visits are encouraged and I marvel (as does my dog) at the freedom these animals have on the farm. The milking area is immaculate, as is the pickup area. We are notified if a cow has become sick which actually leads to a shortage of milk during the healing time. The owners go to great lengths to import new and healthy animals into the herd when and if it is necessary. I did a lot of research on raw milk before I signed up. All I can say is I feel I have made the right decision. The taste alone is worth the risk! Along with my share of a cow I have joined a CSA for my fruits and vegetables, and buy a half side of natural beef to stock my freezer. The best moves I have ever made as far as food intake goes.

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Two surprises in Jill's article
Posted by: davidgumpert on Oct 30, 2009 5:19 PM   
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Welcome, Jill, to the wild world of raw milk. Very perceptive insights--I can say this with some conviction, since I have been writing extensively about raw milk via my blog (www.thecompletepatient.com) and now a new book ("The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights"). While much may have been familiar to me, I found two interesting surprises in the article that bear importantly on the raw milk dilemma.

1. The data on illnesses from raw milk. Jill quotes the U.S. Centers for Disease Control as reporting 1,600 illnesses from raw milk between 1993 and 2006. This averages out to 114 per year over the 14-year period. The reason this is so interesting is that obtaining data about raw milk illnesses has been difficult. I devote a chapter in my book to describing the efforts by the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense to obtain such data, and how it finally in 2007 used a Freedom-of-Information Act request to obtain data certified by CDC showing 1,791 reported illnesses over the 33 years between 1973 and 2005. This averages out to 54 per year, or about half of what Jill's report shows. I'm sure Jill obtained her data directly from CDC. So my question is this: Why is there such a wide discrepancy? The answer to this question is important. While neither the 114 average number of illness or the 54 is necessarily alarming in public health terms, the differences are significant enough, especially given the emotional nature of the debate over raw milk's dangers, as to warrant an explanation--probably best coming from CDC.

2. I found curious this assessment Jill offered about Mark McAfee, owner of Organic Pastures Dairy Co.: " McAfee wields a significant amount of political power within California due to his colorful personality and his many high-profile Hollywood clients." What's curious is to see the term "political power" used in the same sentence as a description of a raw milk provider. Supporters of raw milk have been notably deficient in political power, or prowess. Mark definitely showed himself adept at using political channels to try to replace a legislative restriction on raw milk production passed in 2007 with new legislation. He recruited Senate Majority Leader Dean Florez as an ally, and the replacement legislation cleared both houses of the legislature. But in the end, Gov. Schwarzenegger vetoed the new legislation, and Sen. Florez didn't return to the matter to seek an override or try another initiative. Mark may be articulate, colorful, persistent, and entrepreneurial, but wielding a significant amount of political power? I don't think so. Indeed, if the movement for raw milk and food freedom is going to make headway, it will need significantly more political power than it has so far been able to muster.

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Nasookin
Posted by: Nasookin on Oct 30, 2009 10:14 PM   
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Pasteurized milk does not differentiate between milk from a hygienic dairy and milk from a not so hygienic. One ends up with the lowest common denominator when it comes to purity and overall quality.

If the cows from dairy A have mastitis (inflammation of the udder) there will likely be antibiotics in the cows' milk. With pasteurization it gets mixed in with dairy B 's milk.

This is where public health authorities have cowtowed - if one may use that term - to big dairy and dairy co-ops. The quality and purity of the milk is only as good as the hygienic standards adhered to by the dairymen and the health standards they maintain for their cows.

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to be mature
Posted by: donotworry on Oct 31, 2009 9:02 AM   
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Just as you said "Some people credit it with beneficial health effects, but others believe it's so risky it ought to be banned. The issue of raw milk -- milk that has not been pasteurized -- also raises a number of questions about our government's role in regulating foods when that is in conflict with individuals' freedom to choose foods that they consider important to their diets." I think every person have the ability to to determine what is rihgt and what is wrong by their standard.If you think it si risky you may do not drink.But you should not deprive the right of other people to drink.That is mature for a man. MTS Video Converter

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emenhir
Posted by: emenhir on Oct 31, 2009 10:12 PM   
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I wish whom ever writes the lead in to your stories in the emails would read the article first. If you read this article it says that indications are that RAW MILK MAY HELP AUTISM AND ASTHMA, not cause it!

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I lived on a farm in Estacada, Oregon
Posted by: pfetsch on Nov 1, 2009 9:49 PM   
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We drank raw milk and made butter from the fat on top. It was delicious and we cleaned the tits of our beautiful cow, Bessie before we milked her. After we we milked her, we rubbed her tits with bag balm and we all were happy.

We were never sick.

I cannot drink "store bought" milk. It gives me the...

The French do not pasturize yet the people of France and tourists from all over the world eat their delicious cheeses.

Let us choose. Do not force us to eat what is not natural. It took us millions of years to arrive at this moment.

We did not pasturize until just a moment ago.

If we applied this logic to Twinkies, or Coke what would we do?

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Raw milk is healthy
Posted by: lewb on Nov 3, 2009 8:37 AM   
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I had access to raw milk from a farm nearby when i lived in Central Massachusetts. There were 5 of us who drank it everyday for almost 5 years. It is delicious. I don't drink much milk today because the stuff is lousy with no taste because they heat it and whip it so much.It isn't really milk anymore. I beleive if people would give raw milk a chance they'd be amazed at the difference. We've been huustled again by the milk industry.

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Stop giving raw milk a bad name alternet!!
Posted by: Santamonica39 on Nov 10, 2009 1:33 PM   
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Your teaser in the email you sent out was ridiculous. Raw milk causing autism and asthma?? Where is the evidence of that??! I drank raw milk my entire childhood and never had a single problem. And my son drinks it and is extremely healthy. There are people in this country who actually know things about nutrition and take an active approach to protecting our health. We should have a right to buy raw milk and it's Agri business that is trying to stamp out the public's access to it. VERY disappointed in this site being their accomplice in misleading people about raw milk.

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CDC stats
Posted by: mrsjtwalker on Nov 12, 2009 12:28 AM   
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A good, rational article on the topic. And while we're discussing CDC stats, take a look at the comments following this article: http://www.honesthuman.com/?p=485

This evaluation of CDC figures determines that deli meats present a risk of listeria 10 times greater than that of raw milk! Yet I don't hear any controversy regarding the fact that deli meats are freely & legally available to the public.

Bottom line, people need to be permitted to make their own decisions. A society in which people cannot choose even which foods they will or will not consume, is not a free society.

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To mass produce
Posted by: nikefilson on Nov 15, 2009 3:55 AM   
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To mass produce cow's milk on a large scale via factory farming, cows have to be kept continually pregnant, giving birth, and lactating. The cows are genetically bred to produce excess cow's milk for humans. Male cows (bulls) are useless to the dairy industry, so they become veal. By supporting the dairy industry, one indirectly supports cow killing.

Vegetarians do cause far less animal cruelty than meat-eaters, but a nonviolent philosophy would carry greater weight from vegans than from vegetarians.

The meat-eaters, especially, exactly, are ready to find fault with us in this regard: do we love all animals, or only some animals (e.g., cows) and not others? And if we really do love the cows, why do we contribute to their death and suffering just to drink their milk?

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