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Confused About All the Climate Talk and the Copenhagen Summit? Here's the Skinny: Five Things You Should Know
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There's a lot of buzz about COP15, the big climate-change meeting coming up -- what exactly is all the hype about, and why should you care? Here's a simple breakdown.
1. What the heck is it?
COP15 is the 15th meeting of the Conference of the Parties, the highest body of the United Nations Climate Change Convention, and it will take place this year Dec. 7-18. There will be 192 countries participating and a whole bunch of nongovernmental organizations, as well. The event will be in Copenhagen and is hosted by the Danish government. COP14 was in Poland last year.
One of the most well-known COP meetings was COP3 in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, which resulted in the Kyoto Protocol, a document now signed by over 180 countries and put into action in February 2005. The protocol set binding emissions targets for greenhouse gases (GHG) for 37 industrialized countries and the European Union, committing them to reducing their GHG emissions an average of 5 percent against 1990 levels between 2008 and 2012.
"Recognizing that developed countries are principally responsible for the current high levels of GHG emissions in the atmosphere as a result of more than 150 years of industrial activity, the protocol places a heavier burden on developed nations under the principle of 'common but differentiated responsibilities,'" explains the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
The U.S., which contributed over 30 percent of global GHG emissions in 1990 never signed the Kyoto Protocol, and the country's reluctance to commit to international climate change negotiations has long stymied the process. Until, perhaps, now ...
2. What are they trying to accomplish?
The goal of the COP15 is to get as many countries as possible (and particularly big emitters like the U.S.) to enter into a binding agreement to reduce GHG emissions enough to prevent catastrophic results from climate change.
Yvo de Boer, executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, told Environment & Energy Publishing that he was hoping four important questions would be answered in Copenhagen:
- How much are the industrialized countries willing to reduce their emissions of greenhouse gases?
- How much major developing countries such as China and India are willing to do to limit the growth of their emissions?
- How is the help needed by developing countries to engage in reducing their emissions and adapting to the impacts of climate change going to be financed?
- How is that money going to be managed?
3. Why does the future of the world depend on it?
This is really serious stuff. The best science tells us that we need immediate action on climate change to prevent catastrophic results. This month the U.N. Environment Program released an updated report following the groundbreaking findings in 2007 by the International Panel on Climate Change that basically said thing are are going to be as bad as the IPCC predicted or worse.
"The pace and the scale of climate change is accelerating, along with the confidence among researchers in their forecasts," UNEP Director Achim Steiner said in the report.
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Posted by: cplot on Oct 23, 2009 1:02 AM
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To compare those bills to what a serious response to climate change would look like read: 2020 Vision: A strategic response to the urgent crisis of climate change.
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» They all do the right thing.
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» Nothing personal, but I think your wrong. I think they will add this to the globalization agenda..
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» Kill a flock of birds with a single stone
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» I can explain it: Because their agenda is about unadulterated and unfettered greed...
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Posted by: Hans B on Oct 23, 2009 1:04 AM
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This will be a repeat of Kyoto, I fear. Then, the US used its power - that is, the fact that it emitted way more CO2 than anyone else - to impose cap-and-trade on everyone else (the Europeans wanted "cap without trade" but folded to get the US on board). Having gotten what they wanted, the US refused to sign anyway. Today, because of their CO2 clout, the US and China will set the agenda. Countries like Bangla Desh will have a seat at the table out of sheer politeness, but when they speak no one will listen. Imagine a trial where the accused determine everything - including their own sentences - while the victims are asked to put up and preferably also shut up. That's Copenhagen in a nutshell. Am I optimistic about the results of such a process? No, I am not.
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» In line with that, here is what a British Lord said is going to happen in Copenhagen....
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Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 23, 2009 2:08 AM
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According to an article in Science Daily (April 20, 2009), a survey of the faculty at the State University of New York, which has a very strong environmental science department, the planet’s major environmental problem is overpopulation.. Climate change is second. This echoes the theme of the comprehensive and convincing popular free ebook series “And Gulliver Returns” –In Search of Utopia—(http://andgulliverreturns.info) As one professor at SUNY said “With ten million or even a hundred million people on the planet there would be no warming problem.” It is both the technology and the number of people using it that create so many of our planetary problems.
There is no question that China's one child policy has helped the world and the Chinese economy. But whenever a country attempts to reduce its population it can expect a two or three generation period of problems while deaths reduce to equal births. I hope that China will recognize this fact and keep its own population on the path to reduction--which should begin by 2050. China's actual fertility rate is not 1.0 per woman, but 1.8--the same as Norway's.
China's Platonic-like oligarchy is far more efficient than modern democracies. The self-centered desires of each of us to have as many children as we want; the pressure of some religions and most businesses for more converts and customers; and the need for more soldiers to defend each sovereign state-- each fight the obvious solution to the problems of the world: warming, illegal immigration, the use of irreplaceable natural resources, waste disposal along with air and water pollution, starvation, and the lack of fresh water. But countries commonly encourage more births to enlarge the tax base and pay for the elderly. Then each generation will contain still more elderly.
The earth is self correcting' but the correction will cost billions of lives that could have been saved with intelligent action now.
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» Hahaaha, your joking right? Of course they have tackled that, what do you think this health care
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» Hey, prof Bob, the Rockefeller foundation is funding Eugenics, cause just reducing population isn't
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Posted by: Gates on Oct 23, 2009 7:57 AM
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India and china will want the US to face harder restrictions for their historical emissions, which the US will likely dispute. If these 3 countries cant agree the conference will accomplish nothing.
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» OH, just imagine what a third world nuke war will do to climate warming... lol
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM
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This is a classic battle of Good vs. Evil, and Evil has a huge lead.
The bullshit politics surrounding any get-togethers may make some of us feel good, but unless we lead by setting a positive EXAMPLE of what's right and MORAL, it'll all come to naught, as usual.
Stalling tactics by major polluters and those in their pockets will sink us all.
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Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Oct 23, 2009 9:35 AM
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Done
Go to a rally?
I'll drive my SUV right over. Probably get a bumpersticker, too.
...
Become a fan of their facebook page
Oh for god's sake ...
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» RE: Where's Tony-opmoc and the other Global Warming deniers?
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» RE: Just as in the USA
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 23, 2009 10:11 AM
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In case you haven't noticed the planet has got a lot colder over the last 10 years and is likely to continue getting colder.
But the sheep are so brainwashed, that they don't realise it has got colder, and think it is getting warmer cos they haven't had their woolly coats sheered yet.
They'll still be bleating Stop Global Warming Bahh...Bahh..Bahh... as they are led into the slaughter house in the freezing cold, not realising that windmills don't work when the air is incredibly still on a cold and frosty morning.
Its all about, the elites keeping warm - with your woolly coat as YOU are culled.
Lets face it, you all agree there are too many humans.
What more did you expect?
I have been saying here for over 2 years that CO2 is not a significant factor in controlling the Earth's Climate, and that you should all pray to the Sun God Apollo instead, but you are so daft you think Apollo took Men to The Moon - and they walked their and then came back.
If you believe that, you will believe anything.
I bet you even believe in Jesus Christ. If you think he is going to save you, then you are in for a big disappointment.
Bah, Bah a black Sheep,
Have you any Wool?
Yes merry have I,
Three Bags full,
One for my master,
One for my Dame,
One for the little Boy
That lives down the lane.
Origins and meaning
A description of the medieval 'Great' or 'Old Custom' wool tax of 1275, which survived until the fifteenth century. Contrary to some commentaries, this tax did not involve the collection of one third to the king, and one third to the church, but a less punitive sum of 6s 8d to the Crown per sack, about 5 per cent of the value.
Tony
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» RE: Climate Change Is All About Setting Up a World Government Fascist Dictatorship
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Posted by: pdrich on Oct 23, 2009 10:55 AM
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If we are to get to the level proposed in this article in Alternet, we must continue a 4% reduction yearly, getting us to a 50% reduction by 2020.
If we all keep the pressure on, of course we can do it! Time to put the foot on the low-carbon pedal, and gun it: buy solar, add energy efficiency to our homes and businesses.
Check out my website for ideas and updates too:
www.sustainabledesign.vpweb.com
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» RE: New numbers on our carbon emmissions are promising!
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» Your numbers are wrong.
Posted by: Hans B
» Your Sums Are Good.
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» There are natural processes that remove CO2 from the atmosphere ...
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» There are natural processes that remove Shit from the Earth...
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» RE: New numbers a based upon the Great Depression of our time
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» Yep... It only took an economic collapse to reduce CO2
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Posted by: MaxT on Oct 23, 2009 11:46 AM
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Unknown to what could be unconstructively mischievously be called "Global Conferences traveling class", the practical solutions methods do exist, and are neither costly, difficult or expensive to partake in. Here is one set of explanations on how to homescale remove carbon from air, while (if all goes well in particular homeproject) making more gardenable, rather permanent, soil to happen nearby. Also, nearby freshwaters can be cleaned at the same go, if needed, and conditions are suitable:
Do It Yourself Carbon sequestration, Soil making and Water cleaning -instructions:
http://www.ymparistojakehitys.fi/energia_terrapreta.html
It's not very complicated nor does it need special skills nor special equipment materials... I urge climate and food security concerned and interested to check that very short set through. In other words I propose along the lines that... let us all fix these ourselves for our part, now that the means and methods are available for us.
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Posted by: greenferret on Oct 23, 2009 1:20 PM
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Tell President Obama and your senators to support a 40% emissions reduction by 2020 to avert crisis.
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Posted by: raginghormones on Oct 23, 2009 1:31 PM
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We also had a below normal temperature for summer.
The fields are soaked and most of the crops around here are waiting to be harvested.
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» I'm sorry you had bad weather.
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Posted by: donotworry on Oct 24, 2009 9:02 AM
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Oct 25, 2009 11:40 PM
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global warming isnt just a concern for us here but is affecting the entire solar system.
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
our specific problem is one where we are emitting life threatening poison's into our ecosystem... Our C02 and water shortages we can deal with easy enough by replanting all the deforested rainforests... but when industrial emmisions change the acidity of our landmass and oceans killing off entire ecosystems it's easy to see that the culprit is purely greed driven.
environmentalists have been scaring us for generations now, and with each new generation comes a new scarey topic dejour... the point is made but the reason of course is over population and the fix is simple depuration of our consumer based infastructure... the planet can safely maintain double or even triple our present population but only if we clean up our act...
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Posted by: Awakened1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:19 PM
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Posted by: Changling on Oct 27, 2009 9:27 PM
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Right now they like the Old World Order but a few see the writing on the wall and want to keep a disaster from happening.
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Posted by: handmjones on Oct 28, 2009 12:42 AM
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One item to consider is that in this period of positive feedback to warming, no scientist has stated with assurance that cutting anthropogenic carbon emmisions will delay warming significantly. Most of the human effect is due to our eating. Cultivation, fertilizers, burning of forest, cattle farts, methane from rice paddies and finally transportation of the food. good luck on cutting significantly with an ever growing population. Sit back enjoy what you have and await the apocolypse with equanimity.
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Posted by: cplot on Oct 23, 2009 1:02 AM
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To compare those bills to what a serious response to climate change would look like read: 2020 Vision: A strategic response to the urgent crisis of climate change.
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» They all do the right thing.
Posted by: wagner
» Nothing personal, but I think your wrong. I think they will add this to the globalization agenda..
Posted by: Prophit0
» Kill a flock of birds with a single stone
Posted by: ScottP
» I can explain it: Because their agenda is about unadulterated and unfettered greed...
Posted by: Prophit0
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Posted by: Hans B on Oct 23, 2009 1:04 AM
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This will be a repeat of Kyoto, I fear. Then, the US used its power - that is, the fact that it emitted way more CO2 than anyone else - to impose cap-and-trade on everyone else (the Europeans wanted "cap without trade" but folded to get the US on board). Having gotten what they wanted, the US refused to sign anyway. Today, because of their CO2 clout, the US and China will set the agenda. Countries like Bangla Desh will have a seat at the table out of sheer politeness, but when they speak no one will listen. Imagine a trial where the accused determine everything - including their own sentences - while the victims are asked to put up and preferably also shut up. That's Copenhagen in a nutshell. Am I optimistic about the results of such a process? No, I am not.
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» In line with that, here is what a British Lord said is going to happen in Copenhagen....
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Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 23, 2009 2:08 AM
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According to an article in Science Daily (April 20, 2009), a survey of the faculty at the State University of New York, which has a very strong environmental science department, the planet’s major environmental problem is overpopulation.. Climate change is second. This echoes the theme of the comprehensive and convincing popular free ebook series “And Gulliver Returns” –In Search of Utopia—(http://andgulliverreturns.info) As one professor at SUNY said “With ten million or even a hundred million people on the planet there would be no warming problem.” It is both the technology and the number of people using it that create so many of our planetary problems.
There is no question that China's one child policy has helped the world and the Chinese economy. But whenever a country attempts to reduce its population it can expect a two or three generation period of problems while deaths reduce to equal births. I hope that China will recognize this fact and keep its own population on the path to reduction--which should begin by 2050. China's actual fertility rate is not 1.0 per woman, but 1.8--the same as Norway's.
China's Platonic-like oligarchy is far more efficient than modern democracies. The self-centered desires of each of us to have as many children as we want; the pressure of some religions and most businesses for more converts and customers; and the need for more soldiers to defend each sovereign state-- each fight the obvious solution to the problems of the world: warming, illegal immigration, the use of irreplaceable natural resources, waste disposal along with air and water pollution, starvation, and the lack of fresh water. But countries commonly encourage more births to enlarge the tax base and pay for the elderly. Then each generation will contain still more elderly.
The earth is self correcting' but the correction will cost billions of lives that could have been saved with intelligent action now.
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» Hahaaha, your joking right? Of course they have tackled that, what do you think this health care
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» Hey, prof Bob, the Rockefeller foundation is funding Eugenics, cause just reducing population isn't
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Posted by: Gates on Oct 23, 2009 7:57 AM
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India and china will want the US to face harder restrictions for their historical emissions, which the US will likely dispute. If these 3 countries cant agree the conference will accomplish nothing.
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» OH, just imagine what a third world nuke war will do to climate warming... lol
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM
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This is a classic battle of Good vs. Evil, and Evil has a huge lead.
The bullshit politics surrounding any get-togethers may make some of us feel good, but unless we lead by setting a positive EXAMPLE of what's right and MORAL, it'll all come to naught, as usual.
Stalling tactics by major polluters and those in their pockets will sink us all.
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Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Oct 23, 2009 9:35 AM
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Done
Go to a rally?
I'll drive my SUV right over. Probably get a bumpersticker, too.
...
Become a fan of their facebook page
Oh for god's sake ...
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» RE: Just as in the USA
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 23, 2009 10:11 AM
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In case you haven't noticed the planet has got a lot colder over the last 10 years and is likely to continue getting colder.
But the sheep are so brainwashed, that they don't realise it has got colder, and think it is getting warmer cos they haven't had their woolly coats sheered yet.
They'll still be bleating Stop Global Warming Bahh...Bahh..Bahh... as they are led into the slaughter house in the freezing cold, not realising that windmills don't work when the air is incredibly still on a cold and frosty morning.
Its all about, the elites keeping warm - with your woolly coat as YOU are culled.
Lets face it, you all agree there are too many humans.
What more did you expect?
I have been saying here for over 2 years that CO2 is not a significant factor in controlling the Earth's Climate, and that you should all pray to the Sun God Apollo instead, but you are so daft you think Apollo took Men to The Moon - and they walked their and then came back.
If you believe that, you will believe anything.
I bet you even believe in Jesus Christ. If you think he is going to save you, then you are in for a big disappointment.
Bah, Bah a black Sheep,
Have you any Wool?
Yes merry have I,
Three Bags full,
One for my master,
One for my Dame,
One for the little Boy
That lives down the lane.
Origins and meaning
A description of the medieval 'Great' or 'Old Custom' wool tax of 1275, which survived until the fifteenth century. Contrary to some commentaries, this tax did not involve the collection of one third to the king, and one third to the church, but a less punitive sum of 6s 8d to the Crown per sack, about 5 per cent of the value.
Tony
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Posted by: pdrich on Oct 23, 2009 10:55 AM
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If we are to get to the level proposed in this article in Alternet, we must continue a 4% reduction yearly, getting us to a 50% reduction by 2020.
If we all keep the pressure on, of course we can do it! Time to put the foot on the low-carbon pedal, and gun it: buy solar, add energy efficiency to our homes and businesses.
Check out my website for ideas and updates too:
www.sustainabledesign.vpweb.com
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» RE: New numbers on our carbon emmissions are promising!
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» Your numbers are wrong.
Posted by: Hans B
» Your Sums Are Good.
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» There are natural processes that remove CO2 from the atmosphere ...
Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» There are natural processes that remove Shit from the Earth...
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: New numbers a based upon the Great Depression of our time
Posted by: Changling
» Yep... It only took an economic collapse to reduce CO2
Posted by: ChicagoWay
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Posted by: MaxT on Oct 23, 2009 11:46 AM
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Unknown to what could be unconstructively mischievously be called "Global Conferences traveling class", the practical solutions methods do exist, and are neither costly, difficult or expensive to partake in. Here is one set of explanations on how to homescale remove carbon from air, while (if all goes well in particular homeproject) making more gardenable, rather permanent, soil to happen nearby. Also, nearby freshwaters can be cleaned at the same go, if needed, and conditions are suitable:
Do It Yourself Carbon sequestration, Soil making and Water cleaning -instructions:
http://www.ymparistojakehitys.fi/energia_terrapreta.html
It's not very complicated nor does it need special skills nor special equipment materials... I urge climate and food security concerned and interested to check that very short set through. In other words I propose along the lines that... let us all fix these ourselves for our part, now that the means and methods are available for us.
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Posted by: greenferret on Oct 23, 2009 1:20 PM
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Tell President Obama and your senators to support a 40% emissions reduction by 2020 to avert crisis.
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Posted by: raginghormones on Oct 23, 2009 1:31 PM
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We also had a below normal temperature for summer.
The fields are soaked and most of the crops around here are waiting to be harvested.
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Posted by: donotworry on Oct 24, 2009 9:02 AM
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Oct 25, 2009 11:40 PM
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global warming isnt just a concern for us here but is affecting the entire solar system.
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
our specific problem is one where we are emitting life threatening poison's into our ecosystem... Our C02 and water shortages we can deal with easy enough by replanting all the deforested rainforests... but when industrial emmisions change the acidity of our landmass and oceans killing off entire ecosystems it's easy to see that the culprit is purely greed driven.
environmentalists have been scaring us for generations now, and with each new generation comes a new scarey topic dejour... the point is made but the reason of course is over population and the fix is simple depuration of our consumer based infastructure... the planet can safely maintain double or even triple our present population but only if we clean up our act...
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Posted by: Awakened1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:19 PM
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Posted by: Changling on Oct 27, 2009 9:27 PM
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Right now they like the Old World Order but a few see the writing on the wall and want to keep a disaster from happening.
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Posted by: handmjones on Oct 28, 2009 12:42 AM
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One item to consider is that in this period of positive feedback to warming, no scientist has stated with assurance that cutting anthropogenic carbon emmisions will delay warming significantly. Most of the human effect is due to our eating. Cultivation, fertilizers, burning of forest, cattle farts, methane from rice paddies and finally transportation of the food. good luck on cutting significantly with an ever growing population. Sit back enjoy what you have and await the apocolypse with equanimity.
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