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Can Condoms Save Us from Climate Change?
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What's the greenest technology we have? It may not be electric cars or solar panels but actually good old fashioned contraception.
According to a new report from the London School of Economics and commissioned by Optimum Population Trust (OPT), using contraception to fight climate change saves nearly five times as much money as your typical low-carbon technology. Carbon credits for condoms, anyone?
Quite logically, fewer children means less carbon emissions (and less strain on diminishing natural resources). Environmentalists concerned with population growth have been saying as much for decades (or centuries if you go back to Thomas Malthus). But the report, "Fewer Emitters, Lower Emissions, Less Cost," breaks down the numbers.
The study looks at what would happen if all the "unmet need" for family planning was addressed. "Unmet need" is defined as women who want access to contraception but don't currently have it.
"One recent estimate put this figure at 200 million," OPT reported. "U.N. data suggests that meeting unmet need for family planning would reduce unintended births by 72 percent, reducing projected world population in 2050 by half a billion, to 8.64 billion. Between 2010 and 2050, 12 billion fewer 'people-years' would be lived -- 326 billion against 338 billion under current projections."
If this doesn't sound like a lot -- here's how it actually breaks down by carbon dioxide and dollars:
"The 34 gigatons of CO2 saved in this way would cost $220 billion -- roughly $7 a ton. However, the same CO2 savings would cost over $1 trillion if low-carbon technologies were used," OPT wrote. "The $7 cost of abating a ton of CO2 using family planning compares with $24 for wind power, $51 for solar, $57-$83 for coal plants with carbon capture and storage, $92 for plug-in hybrid vehicles and $131 for electric vehicles." That's a heck of a lot of savings.
And the carbon and cost savings could be even greater. "Unmet need" considers only couples who are married, but the United Nations Population Fund points out that, "community studies suggest that between 10 and 40 percent of young, unmarried women have experienced unwanted pregnancy," so, if family planning services are able to reach those populations, we're in even better shape.
Should We Put a Cap on Kids?
The study has been causing quite a stir, especially by people who missed the main point (not that we should put a cap on kids, but that we should provide family planning to people who want it), but it's also not the first to look at the carbon footprint of having kids.
In the journal article "Reproduction and the Carbon Legacies of Individuals," Paul A. Murtaugh and Michael G. Schlax of Oregon State University wrote:
While population growth is obviously a key component of projections of carbon emissions at a global level, there has been relatively little emphasis on the environmental consequences of the reproductive choices of an individual person. Obviously, the choice to reproduce contributes to future environmental impacts. There are the immediate effects caused by each offspring over his or her lifetime, but should the offspring reproduce, additional impacts could potentially accrue over many future generations.
So, not only do we need to think about how much impact our kids would have, but also if they grow up to have children, too.
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Posted by: dudelette on Sep 19, 2009 1:36 AM
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Posted by: james_allen on Sep 19, 2009 1:53 AM
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Instead one hears of Japan or countries in Europe trying to increase their populations, viewing this as solution for the financial burden of increased longevity.
A big problem, in my view, is that government policies are designed for corporate profit growth, not human happiness. Continued growth of drug companies, Microsoft, etc. depend on increasing numbers of customers, so calls for population reduction would be un-American!
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Sep 19, 2009 11:00 AM
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Posted by: leerhok on Sep 19, 2009 12:41 PM
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Maybe he wants to provide. But up to now he has shown himself totally unable to do so.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Sep 19, 2009 2:41 AM
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Another good site is http:overpopulation.org
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Posted by: richholland on Sep 19, 2009 3:41 AM
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It is not the talking but the walking.
The Greens in Europe told us not have kids, but now islamic and africans are coming in, they have no skills, donot speak the language but they have kids and, will have more kids and receive money for each kid.
They same happens to young brides from marocco, they donot speak the language, the man tells them to stay at home all day and they produce kids.
And the Greens and feminists keep their mouth SHUT.
No protest to liberate their sisters..
If you no like kids OK, but donot tell bullshit re environment.
If every girl or woman should want 2 or 3 kids, its OK.
Then you raise them with respect for the world.
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Posted by: lauriemazur on Sep 19, 2009 4:39 AM
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Fifteen years ago, at a United Nations population conference in Cairo, the world’s nations resoundingly rejected population control. The Cairo agreement acknowledges that slower growth would be good for people and the planet. But it says the best way to achieve slower growth is by making sure all people have the means and the power to make their own choices about childbearing. That means universal access to a full range of reproductive health services, including family planning. But it's not JUST about family planning. It also means education and opportunity for girls and women, and sustainable, equitable development.
Despite the many benefits of these programs, the world’s nations have yet to muster the resources to pay for them. While developing countries are spending about half of what they promised in Cairo, developed countries have delivered less than a quarter of the promised funding.
The cost is not huge: the developed countries’ share of the cost to provide reproductive health services for every woman on earth is $20 billion—the same amount the bankers on Wall Street gave themselves in bonuses last year. The US share is $1 billion—about what we spend on the war in Afghanistan every 13 hours.
As you note at the end of your article, slowing population growth is one of many things we must do to avert catastrophic climate change. That does not justify a return to population control. It does, however, provide another reason for the US and other developed countries to make good on the promises they made in Cairo.
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Posted by: drosera on Sep 19, 2009 5:02 AM
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Reduce either factor and save the world whether you live in a developing or developed country. No excuses for developing countries that refuse to control population growth.
Providing birth control to those who want it is far too conservative a goal. Provide birth control free and sell the idea that limiting population is good for families and for the world. Market the idea. Don't let religious authorities--priests and preachers and imams--get away with diatribes about the sinfulness of contraception. Confront them with the consequences of their beliefs.
This issue--population control--lies at the base of healing our sick planet. Bold action is required, not half steps like making birth control available to those who want it.
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Posted by: Suzon on Sep 19, 2009 7:31 AM
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Do away with the military and there would be more than enough to go around. (And we only "need" the military because we've be wrongly led to believe that other people want our "stuff". Most people only want to be left alone to live a reasonable life.)
The really big question is why we tolerate the use of valuable resources to maintain things that are so unnecessary.
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Among the obstacles are those who's beliefs include an Armageddon. I think it very important that we view the timeline of the human race as a ray, not a line segment. This difference effects how we treat our resources and population. It is our obligation to hand off to future generations a world that is better than the one we inherited. Not much chance of that, but to minimize the damage is best option on my moral compass.
Oddly enough, I was taught that leisure time and a wealthy existence are the best population controls. Of course I don't see the Wall Street Journal as the same after it was acquired by Murdoch, but the “we'll take care of that later” recommendation does seem to be a popular response from the gluttonous who don't properly value our resources.
Surprisingly, I am the first to bring up the anti-condom catholic guy Benedict. Jesus had a prostitute as his closest female friends and never spoke against condoms. They predate his time and were made from tied lambs intestines as they still can be today. I don't know whether latex or intestine condoms have a smaller carbon footprint. Does anyone else hold the view that it may be best to “go forth an multiply” by just one?
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Sep 19, 2009 10:24 AM
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Having children is, in my view, the height of irresponsibility. I'm sorry to say this, but eugenics is actually a good thing. No, not killing people as Hitler did. I mean something similar to the One-Child policy of China, but add to that the restriction of people with certain ailments from reproducing, like mental disabilities or certain degenerative diseases. People have got to get over their feelings that people with such conditions are "heroes." They're not. They're a burden on tax money that could be going towards something else. I'm advocating a system that prevents them from reproduction. And no, that does not extend to race, ethnicity or religion.
Ironically, I work in school systems, and plan to do so for the rest of my career. I'm a substitute teacher right now though. I've worked for special education groups as well as regular school districts, and in those special ed groups, I've seen the extent to which school funding is wasted. Those kids in those special ed classrooms aren't just "a bit slow," or "a bit behind," and "they'll be somebody someday." No. They're basically only at school because lawsuit-happy mommy and daddy insist that little Timmy in the wheelchair from Southpark be given the same chance at education that everyone else gets. But they don't understand: he'll never function at the capacity of a regular student. The special education "teachers" who work in this system are really nothing more than glorified babysitters. They're not "do-gooders," they're not "brave people" for working with the mentally handicapped. They're babysitters who know, deep down, that the kids they "teach" will be the financial/social responsibility of their families for the rest of their natural lives.
I've wanted to have a vasectomy since I was about 18. I don't have one yet because I don't have the funds, but as soon as feasible, I plan to get one. My wife and I abhor children, especially undisciplined children, and view them as a burden both financially and mentally.
All I can say is that this planet is too overpopulated for its own good. It's one thing to have 6.7 billion pigeons or something, but another to have 6.7 billion people. The higher up on the technological scale we go, the more resources we need per person. I heard back in high school Environmental Science class that if everyone on earth were to live as luxuriously as most Americans, the world could only support about 2 billion people. Or, to put it another way, we'd need about 5 planet earths to support our current population.
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Posted by: Arlene on Sep 19, 2009 2:22 PM
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The U.S. has the highest rate of unintended pregnancy in the developed world. I disagree that the effects will not be immediate. For every woman who can avoid pregnancy who would have otherwise become pregnant, the effect on her life is definitely immediate.
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Posted by: ladyslipper on Sep 19, 2009 3:36 PM
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And we need to fight the fundies' efforts to conflate abortion and contraception; they're two different things.
Next Republican talking point for 2012:
"Anti-Abortion Group Announces Drive To Outlaw Birth Control Pill in Florida"
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/anti-abortion-group
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Posted by: Jeanne on Sep 19, 2009 7:05 PM
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When the climate changes we've put in motion begin to have impact on weather patterns, we'll probably experience famine and desertification. We won't be able to grow sufficient food, nor have water where we need it to grow enough food to sustain our population. We should have limited population growth decades ago. It's too late now. Our population will be decreased, but it won't be pretty, nor as non-violent as simply not conceiving more of our species.
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Posted by: Changling on Sep 20, 2009 7:56 PM
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But first define "smart" for us Snotnosedkid?
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Posted by: evasta7 on Sep 20, 2009 10:15 PM
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We're at close to 7 billion now and long term carrying capacity is probably between 2 to 4 billion assuming a 'moderate' (low by US/Euro standards) standard of living/standard of consumption.
Read Catton's "Overshoot" and check out www.paulchefurka.ca for the best single website on this topic.
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Posted by: davmills on Sep 21, 2009 6:07 AM
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It's recommended to put them with the regular garbage (though disposing of that as cleanly as possible is also a problem).
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Posted by: vertical on Sep 21, 2009 11:17 AM
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What would be wrong with taking the reprodutive rights away from sombody who say has a felony conviction that victoomized a child?
Oh by the way, your average American has 2.1 children, but your average American felon has 2.6 children.
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Posted by: maxsmart on Sep 21, 2009 2:44 PM
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number of children they have. If we invested in helping to provide such service to people who want it here and around the world it would be a good investment.
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Posted by: ava1984 on Sep 24, 2009 6:07 AM
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I rescued myself from religion many years ago; therefore, my mind is not cluttered with crap. It is amazing how much clearer one's mind can be; and, how focused on realty.
Decades ago many of us, in our teens and twenties, decided to limit our offspring. Of course, we were armed with information withheld from our fore-bearers.
Is it too late to even try? We no longer have the strong middle-class; remember, the Reagan Democrats! Dumb-asses, holding good union jobs, betrayed and have not pulled their heads out of their asses; gave away what power we still possessed!
I'm glad I'm not young anymore and have no grand-children; suck it up, right-wingers, this is the paradise for which you've waited, too goddamn bad the rest of us have to suffer from your stupidity!
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Instead one hears of Japan or countries in Europe trying to increase their populations, viewing this as solution for the financial burden of increased longevity.
A big problem, in my view, is that government policies are designed for corporate profit growth, not human happiness. Continued growth of drug companies, Microsoft, etc. depend on increasing numbers of customers, so calls for population reduction would be un-American!
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Maybe he wants to provide. But up to now he has shown himself totally unable to do so.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Sep 19, 2009 2:41 AM
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Another good site is http:overpopulation.org
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Posted by: richholland on Sep 19, 2009 3:41 AM
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It is not the talking but the walking.
The Greens in Europe told us not have kids, but now islamic and africans are coming in, they have no skills, donot speak the language but they have kids and, will have more kids and receive money for each kid.
They same happens to young brides from marocco, they donot speak the language, the man tells them to stay at home all day and they produce kids.
And the Greens and feminists keep their mouth SHUT.
No protest to liberate their sisters..
If you no like kids OK, but donot tell bullshit re environment.
If every girl or woman should want 2 or 3 kids, its OK.
Then you raise them with respect for the world.
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Posted by: lauriemazur on Sep 19, 2009 4:39 AM
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Fifteen years ago, at a United Nations population conference in Cairo, the world’s nations resoundingly rejected population control. The Cairo agreement acknowledges that slower growth would be good for people and the planet. But it says the best way to achieve slower growth is by making sure all people have the means and the power to make their own choices about childbearing. That means universal access to a full range of reproductive health services, including family planning. But it's not JUST about family planning. It also means education and opportunity for girls and women, and sustainable, equitable development.
Despite the many benefits of these programs, the world’s nations have yet to muster the resources to pay for them. While developing countries are spending about half of what they promised in Cairo, developed countries have delivered less than a quarter of the promised funding.
The cost is not huge: the developed countries’ share of the cost to provide reproductive health services for every woman on earth is $20 billion—the same amount the bankers on Wall Street gave themselves in bonuses last year. The US share is $1 billion—about what we spend on the war in Afghanistan every 13 hours.
As you note at the end of your article, slowing population growth is one of many things we must do to avert catastrophic climate change. That does not justify a return to population control. It does, however, provide another reason for the US and other developed countries to make good on the promises they made in Cairo.
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Posted by: drosera on Sep 19, 2009 5:02 AM
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Reduce either factor and save the world whether you live in a developing or developed country. No excuses for developing countries that refuse to control population growth.
Providing birth control to those who want it is far too conservative a goal. Provide birth control free and sell the idea that limiting population is good for families and for the world. Market the idea. Don't let religious authorities--priests and preachers and imams--get away with diatribes about the sinfulness of contraception. Confront them with the consequences of their beliefs.
This issue--population control--lies at the base of healing our sick planet. Bold action is required, not half steps like making birth control available to those who want it.
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Posted by: Suzon on Sep 19, 2009 7:31 AM
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Do away with the military and there would be more than enough to go around. (And we only "need" the military because we've be wrongly led to believe that other people want our "stuff". Most people only want to be left alone to live a reasonable life.)
The really big question is why we tolerate the use of valuable resources to maintain things that are so unnecessary.
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Among the obstacles are those who's beliefs include an Armageddon. I think it very important that we view the timeline of the human race as a ray, not a line segment. This difference effects how we treat our resources and population. It is our obligation to hand off to future generations a world that is better than the one we inherited. Not much chance of that, but to minimize the damage is best option on my moral compass.
Oddly enough, I was taught that leisure time and a wealthy existence are the best population controls. Of course I don't see the Wall Street Journal as the same after it was acquired by Murdoch, but the “we'll take care of that later” recommendation does seem to be a popular response from the gluttonous who don't properly value our resources.
Surprisingly, I am the first to bring up the anti-condom catholic guy Benedict. Jesus had a prostitute as his closest female friends and never spoke against condoms. They predate his time and were made from tied lambs intestines as they still can be today. I don't know whether latex or intestine condoms have a smaller carbon footprint. Does anyone else hold the view that it may be best to “go forth an multiply” by just one?
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Sep 19, 2009 10:24 AM
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Having children is, in my view, the height of irresponsibility. I'm sorry to say this, but eugenics is actually a good thing. No, not killing people as Hitler did. I mean something similar to the One-Child policy of China, but add to that the restriction of people with certain ailments from reproducing, like mental disabilities or certain degenerative diseases. People have got to get over their feelings that people with such conditions are "heroes." They're not. They're a burden on tax money that could be going towards something else. I'm advocating a system that prevents them from reproduction. And no, that does not extend to race, ethnicity or religion.
Ironically, I work in school systems, and plan to do so for the rest of my career. I'm a substitute teacher right now though. I've worked for special education groups as well as regular school districts, and in those special ed groups, I've seen the extent to which school funding is wasted. Those kids in those special ed classrooms aren't just "a bit slow," or "a bit behind," and "they'll be somebody someday." No. They're basically only at school because lawsuit-happy mommy and daddy insist that little Timmy in the wheelchair from Southpark be given the same chance at education that everyone else gets. But they don't understand: he'll never function at the capacity of a regular student. The special education "teachers" who work in this system are really nothing more than glorified babysitters. They're not "do-gooders," they're not "brave people" for working with the mentally handicapped. They're babysitters who know, deep down, that the kids they "teach" will be the financial/social responsibility of their families for the rest of their natural lives.
I've wanted to have a vasectomy since I was about 18. I don't have one yet because I don't have the funds, but as soon as feasible, I plan to get one. My wife and I abhor children, especially undisciplined children, and view them as a burden both financially and mentally.
All I can say is that this planet is too overpopulated for its own good. It's one thing to have 6.7 billion pigeons or something, but another to have 6.7 billion people. The higher up on the technological scale we go, the more resources we need per person. I heard back in high school Environmental Science class that if everyone on earth were to live as luxuriously as most Americans, the world could only support about 2 billion people. Or, to put it another way, we'd need about 5 planet earths to support our current population.
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Posted by: Arlene on Sep 19, 2009 2:22 PM
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The U.S. has the highest rate of unintended pregnancy in the developed world. I disagree that the effects will not be immediate. For every woman who can avoid pregnancy who would have otherwise become pregnant, the effect on her life is definitely immediate.
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And we need to fight the fundies' efforts to conflate abortion and contraception; they're two different things.
Next Republican talking point for 2012:
"Anti-Abortion Group Announces Drive To Outlaw Birth Control Pill in Florida"
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/anti-abortion-group
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When the climate changes we've put in motion begin to have impact on weather patterns, we'll probably experience famine and desertification. We won't be able to grow sufficient food, nor have water where we need it to grow enough food to sustain our population. We should have limited population growth decades ago. It's too late now. Our population will be decreased, but it won't be pretty, nor as non-violent as simply not conceiving more of our species.
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But first define "smart" for us Snotnosedkid?
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Posted by: evasta7 on Sep 20, 2009 10:15 PM
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We're at close to 7 billion now and long term carrying capacity is probably between 2 to 4 billion assuming a 'moderate' (low by US/Euro standards) standard of living/standard of consumption.
Read Catton's "Overshoot" and check out www.paulchefurka.ca for the best single website on this topic.
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It's recommended to put them with the regular garbage (though disposing of that as cleanly as possible is also a problem).
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Posted by: vertical on Sep 21, 2009 11:17 AM
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What would be wrong with taking the reprodutive rights away from sombody who say has a felony conviction that victoomized a child?
Oh by the way, your average American has 2.1 children, but your average American felon has 2.6 children.
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Posted by: maxsmart on Sep 21, 2009 2:44 PM
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number of children they have. If we invested in helping to provide such service to people who want it here and around the world it would be a good investment.
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I rescued myself from religion many years ago; therefore, my mind is not cluttered with crap. It is amazing how much clearer one's mind can be; and, how focused on realty.
Decades ago many of us, in our teens and twenties, decided to limit our offspring. Of course, we were armed with information withheld from our fore-bearers.
Is it too late to even try? We no longer have the strong middle-class; remember, the Reagan Democrats! Dumb-asses, holding good union jobs, betrayed and have not pulled their heads out of their asses; gave away what power we still possessed!
I'm glad I'm not young anymore and have no grand-children; suck it up, right-wingers, this is the paradise for which you've waited, too goddamn bad the rest of us have to suffer from your stupidity!
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