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Road Kill: It's Fresh, It's Organic, It's Free
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People enthusiastically took front-row seats to see these animals get skinned. Some people shuddered in horror, had to look away, or otherwise expressed their squeamishness. But most people watched quietly, fascinated, as Natalie coached Dylan, a previously uninitiated thirteen-year- old (there with his family) through the skinning of the squirrel, and Jenny and Justin skinned the groundhog. Direct experiential education like this can be transformative. Laurel Luddite wrote about her first roadkill butchering experience, "The responsibility made me nervous at first. As I cut I began to feel confident that not only could I butcher this deer, but I could also fulfill my need for food whenever I saw some lying by the side of the road."
Roadkill has been a source of food for poor people since there have been cars. In American culture eating roadkill generally has a pejorative classist connotation, epitomizing ignorant hillbilly behavior. Now Wildroots and other enthusiasts are embracing roadkill with a political ideology, rejecting the values of consumer culture by "transforming dishonored victims of the petroleum age into food which nourishes, and clothing which warms." Beyond ideology, they are spreading practical information and skills to empower people.
Terra's zine, The Feral Forager, offers a basic primer for safely eating roadkill:
Picking up roadkill is a good way to get fresh, wild, totally free-range and organic meat for absolutely free. When you find the roadkill you should try to determine if it is edible or not. If you saw the animal get hit then it's obviously fit to eat (although you may have to put it out of its misery). If the critter is flattened into a pancake in the middle of the highway then it's probably best to leave it. Most of the time (not always), good ones will be sitting off the road or in a median where [they aren't] constantly being pulverized.
Sometimes it can be hard to determine how fresh a carcass is. A lot of factors can contribute to how fast the meat spoils, especially temperature. Obviously, roadkill will stay fresher longer in colder weather and spoil faster in warmer weather. It's best to go case by case and follow your instincts. Here are some considerations to help you decide:
- If it is covered in flies or maggots or other insects it's probably no good.
- If it smells like rotting flesh it's probably spoiled, although it is common for dead animals' bowels to release excrement or gas upon impact or when you move the carcass.
- If its eyes are clouded over white it's probably not too fresh (though likely still edible).
- If there are fleas on the animal there's a good chance it's still edible.
- If it's completely mangled, it's probably not worth the effort.
Rigor mortis (when the animal stiffens) sets in pretty quickly. Most of the animals we've eaten have been stiff. There's no reason to assume the animal is spoiled just because it's stiff. . . .
Potential Risks of Eating Roadkill: One of the most severe risks of roadkill is rabies. In order to assure your safety from this deadly serious brain inflammation, you may want to use rubber gloves when gutting and skinning any warm-blooded animal (warm blooded as in mammals and birds, not in regard to blood temperature). If you don't feel the need to exercise this absolute caution, at least make sure you don't have any open wounds on your hands or skin that touches the animal. Roadkill is usually safe from rabies because it dies quickly when the animal dies. Also, rabies will cook out of the carcass. Generally speaking, boiling the animal first (rather than just grilling it) is a good idea, especially if it's a notorious rabies carrier (like raccoons, skunks, and foxes).
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Posted by: jparsons on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 AM
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who come up against our technology being eaten.
It's an incredibly small number compared to the
farmed livestock, and those involved are obviously
working hard for their supper.
But I can't see myself becoming a convert - it's been too
long and I know I get queasy even in the meat aisle.
So far as the "independence" of butchering and getting
food free from the side of the road, I have to point
out that there is lots of other food at the roadside
if you want to forage - with no butchering or checking for
"maggots? no maggots?"
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Posted by: terihu on Jul 28, 2009 2:10 AM
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Plus, I think us urban dwellers would have a hard time finding enough roadkill to live on. Pigeons are plentiful enough, but they don't seem to die on the ground often.
I once saw a seagull impaled on the pigeon-proofing spikes of a light fixture above the Cold Stone Creamery on Pacific Avenue in Santa Cruz. Looked pristine, but who could get to it?
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Posted by: aouie01 on Jul 28, 2009 2:11 AM
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I personally suffer from the "yuck" factor, and would be unlikely to join in the consumption of relatively cruelty-free meats.
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Posted by: John Annis on Jul 28, 2009 4:20 AM
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America. Land of the brave, home of the people who scrape shit off the road and eat it? If we were talking about the Middle East you'd all be laughing your pelts off at their backwardness.
On a practical note eating dead deer is not to be recommended unless you know for a fact that it's been dead only a very few hours. Ungutted venison goes off at a rate of knots, as any poacher worth his salt will confirm.
What a brilliant website AlterNet is. I come here to read about politics and wind up reading how the world's greatest nation (tm) subsists on chowing down on hedgehogs scraped off the road.
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» RE: I have known of people who regularly save the meat from recently hit deer for years.
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Posted by: postconsumer-consumer on Jul 28, 2009 7:14 AM
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Personally, I don't think I could do it but why not. They're a source of lean, chemical free, hormone free meat. Probably pretty tasty too.
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Posted by: Longdream on Jul 28, 2009 7:25 AM
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*barfs*
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Posted by: Godzilla1916 on Jul 28, 2009 7:41 AM
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Another thought I had was, if this animal was hit by vehicle going 50-75 MPH; will there not be bone shards scattered throughout the carcass; making it unfit to eat?
Definitely better than consuming the crap that a for profit business usually provides.....
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 28, 2009 8:20 AM
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we live in a polluted World, where the average person is more likely to encounter a deer in a near-urban fringe area... or along *roads*
In a continent where we can't even trust that 'organic' is actually organic without intense oversight, calling a wild animal 'organic' is a broad interpretation of its living conditions & damaged habitat...
Would a Tennessee Valley deer be considered organic these days? How about one of those cute little deer that wander around residential Austin Texas?
The problem is, this is the same logic that has people eating from their gardens, not knowing what pollution is being harboured by the plant material from the air or soil...
though, I have to tell you, I've often commented that if the homeless started illegally trapping & eating park swans & Canada geese, you'd see some social provisions being made to support the Poor in our communities.
the problem is: our urban environment is so badly polluted, you've no idea what is stored in those animals.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 28, 2009 8:59 AM
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I think this is known as "tire tenderization."
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Posted by: justthink on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 AM
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I have family on the east coast and its amazing to see how many deer lie along roadways rotting. Then we get to rural Virginia where my family is from and you never see a dead deer. Someone, whether the person who hit the deer, or a passerby, always snags them quickly.
If you think you are above eating roadkill. Get over yourself! If its fresh, it is better than anything you can get in a store. As far a disease goes, it is very obvious when you are butchering a sick animal.
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 AM
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Apparently in Michigan if you hit a deer with your vehicle you can take it after getting the proper permits.
And deer hits are up, too. Some deer I've seen along the freeway are reasonably intact. Others are more mangled.
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Posted by: DanoM on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM
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If you didn't hit it or see it get hit then you should be extremely careful with the freshness of the kill. If the animal is still very warm, and not from heat on the road or sun, then it's likely fine. But once it cools down or even sits in the sun for more than a few minutes you should probably consider it unfit to eat.
Also don't pickup animals that died naturally, as they were likely sick to begin with. If the animal looks like it might have been sick and mangy then it's also not worth picking up. Leave those things to the carrion eaters.
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Posted by: HoboHomo on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 AM
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I conclude this article is mostly disinformation written by a zealous carnivore.
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Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Jul 28, 2009 1:49 PM
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IF the voracious vegan story is even true, those "vegans" never got it, and they never were really vegans, didn't believe in or understand the philosophy.
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Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on Jul 28, 2009 2:42 PM
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Used to be, many areas had workers who would quickly retrieve the wild game and dress it out and the meat would be donated to food banks or homeless shelters. Wonder how many people know that Guinea pigs are food in South America.
One of my favorite films is Never Cry Wolf (1983) which was based on Farley Mowat's book, where as a scientist in remote Alaska he at mice that were plentiful.
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Posted by: deadly_nightshade on Jul 28, 2009 2:43 PM
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We all so programmed to think a certain way we can't imagine a world without some middleman taking a cut of every aspect of our existence, we can't imagine a world without Fast Food, water that automagically appears from the tap, having to stress about having a job so we can have health insurance...
and yet, as we are seeing glimpses of, this system is a house of cards that is slowly falling down on it's own weight.
Who will be best prepared to survive? Those who have already learned to live off the grid.
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Posted by: HoboHomo on Jul 28, 2009 2:54 PM
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Uh-huh...but thanks just the same, for putting the thought in our minds.
{{ Our first feral feast of roadkill was on spring equinox of 2002. }}
Hmmm, spring equinox = pagan holiday "Ostara"!
Are you sure you haven't mistaken a Satanic cult for roadkill "foodies", and that Ursus's tattoo really said "Reagan", not "vegan"?
Your article also seems to attribute some mesmerizing force regarding roadkill, that hypnotizes even "hardcore vegans" to feel compelled to stare at the skinning, and eat of the flesh.
{{ After a couple hours on a spit, the grey fox was edible. }}
Yes, yes! The virgin sacrifice! An innocent maimed...and eaten.
{{ it was almost ritualistic, without trying to make it so. }}
Oh, you tried all right...and succeeded!
{{ Ursus tanned the skin and later wore it around his neck like a scarf. }}
The skin of the virgin. Ursus *is* Buffalo Bill!
{{ The more slowly you travel, the more you notice not only roadkill but all sorts of roadside harvesting possibilities. }}
Like hitchhikers?
{{ People enthusiastically took front-row seats to see these animals get skinned. }}
After you laced their green tea infusions with GHB, of course!
{{ Natalie coached Dylan, a previously uninitiated thirteen-year-old }}
Ah, yes, a Jeffrey Dahmer in the making. So proud! (And what's this about an initiation? Hmmm.)
{{ I could also fulfill my need for food whenever I saw some lying by the side of the road. }}
As in "some tired old wino snoring in a dark alley". Hey, this meal is pre-marinated; don't knock it!
{{ fresh, wild, totally free-range and organic meat }}
More likely: "rotten, diseased, totally de-ranged and tainted meat".
{{ If there are fleas on the animal there's a good chance it's still edible. }}
Sure! A million fleas can't be wrong. Besides bubonic plague, fleas spread typhus, skin infection, and tapeworms.
{{ Most of the animals we've eaten have been stiff. }}
Oooo, just the thought of that gives me a stiffie! Deer penis anyone?
{{ one of the most severe risks of roadkill is rabies. }}
Actually, the most *severe* risk is hooking up with rabid loons like you, who stalk the roads for dead flesh!
{{ Also, rabies will cook out of the carcass. }}
But not from your sick, tormented, blood-lusting souls! MU-AH-HAHAHA-HAAAA!
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Posted by: Johnny Hempseed on Jul 28, 2009 3:11 PM
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OK I have to admit it,the other evening a herd of Carrots was crossing the road and I mowed them down with my S.U.V.
But in my defense I was hungry!mmmm peas in
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Posted by: huntswithboomstick on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM
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By way of public service, you really should educate yourself on how to dress game or you might poison yourself. Roadkill often has a ruptured gutsack, which can taint the meat. A quick call to your local NRA (gasp!) chapter will steer you in the right direction for a proper education in processing game meat. Don't sicken yourself or your family for a free steak! Happy BBQing!
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Jul 29, 2009 7:07 AM
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EXCEPT for this warning:
"If it is covered in flies or maggots or other insects it's probably no good."
Maybe the MEAT is no good, but what about the flies and maggots themselves?
Gather enough of these little fellows and you can cook up some scrumptious stuff. Insects make up a good part of the diet of many primitive people.
Don't overlook the obvious! Don't waste those flies and maggots.
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Posted by: cmyounger on Jul 29, 2009 10:47 AM
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I know I would!
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http://www.roadkillreporter.com/
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Posted by: HoboHomo on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM
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sensationalist jabber...playing off the "ubermensch" carnivore against the
hapless, misguided vegan. As others besides myself have pointed out: dining on
roadkill is a risky proposition on your health, at best. Also, it is unrealistic
to expect more than a handful of folks to effectively gut, skin, and otherwise
transform roadkill into food and clothing. Typical Rambo fantasy, that is more a
reflection of fear by a dying breed of men who see their machismo as god's gift
to the world. Which it is not. In fact, it is the sole destructive cause of
violence, war, and discord...for which reason needs be eliminated for the
psychic plague it truly is.
I have no doubt that the sport of roadkill is taking off, due to these desperate
times where store bought food has become too expensive for the poor. But all
this will lead to, is a brief burst of roadkilling, then the total disappearance
of available wildlife as a consequence. Likely, there will be scavengers
competing for the booty, fighting and killing. These roads will become the
territory of whoever owns the most vehicles and powerful weapons. They will be
the "Roadkill Professionals" who will charge a reasonable price that families in
their area may eat. Of course, what is reasonable price-wise, will eventually
turn into extortion, as the edible wildlife becomes scarce.
I am reminded of the devastated continent of Africa, most of whose nations are
losing their wildlife at a rapid pace...in large part due to the starving masses
hunting down any creature they can, no matter how endangered. Is that the kind
of reality you want for yourselves and future generations, here in North
America?
Freeganism was founded as a vegan movement, to scavenge discarded-yet-wholesome veggies, fruits, nuts, bread, and other non-meat provisions. Naturally, it is the nature of carnivores to oppress and bash those who prefer to *not* eat meat...thus they have begun to make inroads into the formerly-veggie concept of freeganism.
Vegan freeganism makes good practical sense, too...for which foods are most
likely to become toxic sooner than other types? Meat and their byproducts,
including eggs and milk. (Cheese, however, keeps pretty well...and is not meat.)
You are far more likely to become deathly ill scavenging for discarded meat and
products containing meat, eggs or milk.
It is obvious that the author seeks profit over truth, by creating such an
exaggerated account of how even hardcore vegans can be excited about meat all
over again, when you introduce them to the manly glory of roadkill. I think
anyone seriously considering roadkill as food, can do better than what this
author provides...and find many practical resources on skinning, cleaning,
deboning, etc. elsewhere. I'm sure the Internet has some excellent sites on the
topic. But when you come across writers who stereotype vegetarians and play the
machismo card, realize you are probably not reading a reliable or trustworthy
piece.
Even better: do yourselves the excellent favor of learning about edible plants
in the wild, how to pick them so as not to make them go extinct, and how to
prepare and eat them. If you have any land, start your own lovely garden.
Besides, road killing will by necessity *always* be limited to a tiny percentage of our vast population.
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You should all know that here in metropolitan Sacramento, a huge ruckus was raised on whether to have a deer hunt in two western Placer cities (Granite Bay and Loomis). The basis for this suggestion was the sudden rise in deer strikes. This roadkill eating suggestion pretty engaging. I thank all of you for commenting, because it's so pertinent to the discussion here. The suggestion was this: to permit limited hunt by teens (!) based on the rise in deer strikes. How much simpler to use cell phone technology to collect the deer and get them to qualified butchers. I agree that the meat is hardly organic if it ranges around our sprayed landscape, but economizing like this is intriguing. To have extra carcasses lying about has given rise to a greater vulture population: there's a roost in Land Park (Sacramento) that's home to 60 or so of the birds. What's clear to me is that their carrion is coming from the roadsides. Commenters carrion!/carry on! -Tom
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How absurd. Certainly, hardcore vegans find solace in scavenging...for discarded plant food. The implication made by the article's intro is that "scavenging" soley means collecting meat and its products.
NO hardcore vegan will ever find "solace" in scavenging for animal flesh. What a fat, stupid LIE!
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Multiple squirrel, fox, groundhog, chipmunk, deer, and rabbit furs (and bones and teeth) later, I think I have enough experience with roadkill to tell you that it is nasty. 99% of the roadkill I stop and check is beyond sickening. And I couldn't imagine eating any of the bodies I've collected. People, these animals are nasty. They have vermin, fleas, and deer ticks that carry Lyme disease. Their bodies are full of parasites and disease.
These are the weaker animals that are pushed out of the wilderness by stronger, more competive animals, and have to accept polluted areas near highways. They are full of heavy metals, pollution, pesticides and herbicides. They eat junk food thrown from cars. There is nothing natural or pure about eating roadkill, and only a fool would do so.
This article is written by poorly informed people who think that what they are doing is "organic," simple, and natural. We're not living in the eighteenth or nineteenth century. This isn't Walden Pond. And it's criminal to write such an article telling others anything different.
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who come up against our technology being eaten.
It's an incredibly small number compared to the
farmed livestock, and those involved are obviously
working hard for their supper.
But I can't see myself becoming a convert - it's been too
long and I know I get queasy even in the meat aisle.
So far as the "independence" of butchering and getting
food free from the side of the road, I have to point
out that there is lots of other food at the roadside
if you want to forage - with no butchering or checking for
"maggots? no maggots?"
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Plus, I think us urban dwellers would have a hard time finding enough roadkill to live on. Pigeons are plentiful enough, but they don't seem to die on the ground often.
I once saw a seagull impaled on the pigeon-proofing spikes of a light fixture above the Cold Stone Creamery on Pacific Avenue in Santa Cruz. Looked pristine, but who could get to it?
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I personally suffer from the "yuck" factor, and would be unlikely to join in the consumption of relatively cruelty-free meats.
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Posted by: John Annis on Jul 28, 2009 4:20 AM
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America. Land of the brave, home of the people who scrape shit off the road and eat it? If we were talking about the Middle East you'd all be laughing your pelts off at their backwardness.
On a practical note eating dead deer is not to be recommended unless you know for a fact that it's been dead only a very few hours. Ungutted venison goes off at a rate of knots, as any poacher worth his salt will confirm.
What a brilliant website AlterNet is. I come here to read about politics and wind up reading how the world's greatest nation (tm) subsists on chowing down on hedgehogs scraped off the road.
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Posted by: postconsumer-consumer on Jul 28, 2009 7:14 AM
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Personally, I don't think I could do it but why not. They're a source of lean, chemical free, hormone free meat. Probably pretty tasty too.
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Another thought I had was, if this animal was hit by vehicle going 50-75 MPH; will there not be bone shards scattered throughout the carcass; making it unfit to eat?
Definitely better than consuming the crap that a for profit business usually provides.....
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we live in a polluted World, where the average person is more likely to encounter a deer in a near-urban fringe area... or along *roads*
In a continent where we can't even trust that 'organic' is actually organic without intense oversight, calling a wild animal 'organic' is a broad interpretation of its living conditions & damaged habitat...
Would a Tennessee Valley deer be considered organic these days? How about one of those cute little deer that wander around residential Austin Texas?
The problem is, this is the same logic that has people eating from their gardens, not knowing what pollution is being harboured by the plant material from the air or soil...
though, I have to tell you, I've often commented that if the homeless started illegally trapping & eating park swans & Canada geese, you'd see some social provisions being made to support the Poor in our communities.
the problem is: our urban environment is so badly polluted, you've no idea what is stored in those animals.
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I think this is known as "tire tenderization."
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I have family on the east coast and its amazing to see how many deer lie along roadways rotting. Then we get to rural Virginia where my family is from and you never see a dead deer. Someone, whether the person who hit the deer, or a passerby, always snags them quickly.
If you think you are above eating roadkill. Get over yourself! If its fresh, it is better than anything you can get in a store. As far a disease goes, it is very obvious when you are butchering a sick animal.
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Apparently in Michigan if you hit a deer with your vehicle you can take it after getting the proper permits.
And deer hits are up, too. Some deer I've seen along the freeway are reasonably intact. Others are more mangled.
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If you didn't hit it or see it get hit then you should be extremely careful with the freshness of the kill. If the animal is still very warm, and not from heat on the road or sun, then it's likely fine. But once it cools down or even sits in the sun for more than a few minutes you should probably consider it unfit to eat.
Also don't pickup animals that died naturally, as they were likely sick to begin with. If the animal looks like it might have been sick and mangy then it's also not worth picking up. Leave those things to the carrion eaters.
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I conclude this article is mostly disinformation written by a zealous carnivore.
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IF the voracious vegan story is even true, those "vegans" never got it, and they never were really vegans, didn't believe in or understand the philosophy.
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Used to be, many areas had workers who would quickly retrieve the wild game and dress it out and the meat would be donated to food banks or homeless shelters. Wonder how many people know that Guinea pigs are food in South America.
One of my favorite films is Never Cry Wolf (1983) which was based on Farley Mowat's book, where as a scientist in remote Alaska he at mice that were plentiful.
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We all so programmed to think a certain way we can't imagine a world without some middleman taking a cut of every aspect of our existence, we can't imagine a world without Fast Food, water that automagically appears from the tap, having to stress about having a job so we can have health insurance...
and yet, as we are seeing glimpses of, this system is a house of cards that is slowly falling down on it's own weight.
Who will be best prepared to survive? Those who have already learned to live off the grid.
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Uh-huh...but thanks just the same, for putting the thought in our minds.
{{ Our first feral feast of roadkill was on spring equinox of 2002. }}
Hmmm, spring equinox = pagan holiday "Ostara"!
Are you sure you haven't mistaken a Satanic cult for roadkill "foodies", and that Ursus's tattoo really said "Reagan", not "vegan"?
Your article also seems to attribute some mesmerizing force regarding roadkill, that hypnotizes even "hardcore vegans" to feel compelled to stare at the skinning, and eat of the flesh.
{{ After a couple hours on a spit, the grey fox was edible. }}
Yes, yes! The virgin sacrifice! An innocent maimed...and eaten.
{{ it was almost ritualistic, without trying to make it so. }}
Oh, you tried all right...and succeeded!
{{ Ursus tanned the skin and later wore it around his neck like a scarf. }}
The skin of the virgin. Ursus *is* Buffalo Bill!
{{ The more slowly you travel, the more you notice not only roadkill but all sorts of roadside harvesting possibilities. }}
Like hitchhikers?
{{ People enthusiastically took front-row seats to see these animals get skinned. }}
After you laced their green tea infusions with GHB, of course!
{{ Natalie coached Dylan, a previously uninitiated thirteen-year-old }}
Ah, yes, a Jeffrey Dahmer in the making. So proud! (And what's this about an initiation? Hmmm.)
{{ I could also fulfill my need for food whenever I saw some lying by the side of the road. }}
As in "some tired old wino snoring in a dark alley". Hey, this meal is pre-marinated; don't knock it!
{{ fresh, wild, totally free-range and organic meat }}
More likely: "rotten, diseased, totally de-ranged and tainted meat".
{{ If there are fleas on the animal there's a good chance it's still edible. }}
Sure! A million fleas can't be wrong. Besides bubonic plague, fleas spread typhus, skin infection, and tapeworms.
{{ Most of the animals we've eaten have been stiff. }}
Oooo, just the thought of that gives me a stiffie! Deer penis anyone?
{{ one of the most severe risks of roadkill is rabies. }}
Actually, the most *severe* risk is hooking up with rabid loons like you, who stalk the roads for dead flesh!
{{ Also, rabies will cook out of the carcass. }}
But not from your sick, tormented, blood-lusting souls! MU-AH-HAHAHA-HAAAA!
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OK I have to admit it,the other evening a herd of Carrots was crossing the road and I mowed them down with my S.U.V.
But in my defense I was hungry!mmmm peas in
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By way of public service, you really should educate yourself on how to dress game or you might poison yourself. Roadkill often has a ruptured gutsack, which can taint the meat. A quick call to your local NRA (gasp!) chapter will steer you in the right direction for a proper education in processing game meat. Don't sicken yourself or your family for a free steak! Happy BBQing!
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EXCEPT for this warning:
"If it is covered in flies or maggots or other insects it's probably no good."
Maybe the MEAT is no good, but what about the flies and maggots themselves?
Gather enough of these little fellows and you can cook up some scrumptious stuff. Insects make up a good part of the diet of many primitive people.
Don't overlook the obvious! Don't waste those flies and maggots.
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I know I would!
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http://www.roadkillreporter.com/
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sensationalist jabber...playing off the "ubermensch" carnivore against the
hapless, misguided vegan. As others besides myself have pointed out: dining on
roadkill is a risky proposition on your health, at best. Also, it is unrealistic
to expect more than a handful of folks to effectively gut, skin, and otherwise
transform roadkill into food and clothing. Typical Rambo fantasy, that is more a
reflection of fear by a dying breed of men who see their machismo as god's gift
to the world. Which it is not. In fact, it is the sole destructive cause of
violence, war, and discord...for which reason needs be eliminated for the
psychic plague it truly is.
I have no doubt that the sport of roadkill is taking off, due to these desperate
times where store bought food has become too expensive for the poor. But all
this will lead to, is a brief burst of roadkilling, then the total disappearance
of available wildlife as a consequence. Likely, there will be scavengers
competing for the booty, fighting and killing. These roads will become the
territory of whoever owns the most vehicles and powerful weapons. They will be
the "Roadkill Professionals" who will charge a reasonable price that families in
their area may eat. Of course, what is reasonable price-wise, will eventually
turn into extortion, as the edible wildlife becomes scarce.
I am reminded of the devastated continent of Africa, most of whose nations are
losing their wildlife at a rapid pace...in large part due to the starving masses
hunting down any creature they can, no matter how endangered. Is that the kind
of reality you want for yourselves and future generations, here in North
America?
Freeganism was founded as a vegan movement, to scavenge discarded-yet-wholesome veggies, fruits, nuts, bread, and other non-meat provisions. Naturally, it is the nature of carnivores to oppress and bash those who prefer to *not* eat meat...thus they have begun to make inroads into the formerly-veggie concept of freeganism.
Vegan freeganism makes good practical sense, too...for which foods are most
likely to become toxic sooner than other types? Meat and their byproducts,
including eggs and milk. (Cheese, however, keeps pretty well...and is not meat.)
You are far more likely to become deathly ill scavenging for discarded meat and
products containing meat, eggs or milk.
It is obvious that the author seeks profit over truth, by creating such an
exaggerated account of how even hardcore vegans can be excited about meat all
over again, when you introduce them to the manly glory of roadkill. I think
anyone seriously considering roadkill as food, can do better than what this
author provides...and find many practical resources on skinning, cleaning,
deboning, etc. elsewhere. I'm sure the Internet has some excellent sites on the
topic. But when you come across writers who stereotype vegetarians and play the
machismo card, realize you are probably not reading a reliable or trustworthy
piece.
Even better: do yourselves the excellent favor of learning about edible plants
in the wild, how to pick them so as not to make them go extinct, and how to
prepare and eat them. If you have any land, start your own lovely garden.
Besides, road killing will by necessity *always* be limited to a tiny percentage of our vast population.
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You should all know that here in metropolitan Sacramento, a huge ruckus was raised on whether to have a deer hunt in two western Placer cities (Granite Bay and Loomis). The basis for this suggestion was the sudden rise in deer strikes. This roadkill eating suggestion pretty engaging. I thank all of you for commenting, because it's so pertinent to the discussion here. The suggestion was this: to permit limited hunt by teens (!) based on the rise in deer strikes. How much simpler to use cell phone technology to collect the deer and get them to qualified butchers. I agree that the meat is hardly organic if it ranges around our sprayed landscape, but economizing like this is intriguing. To have extra carcasses lying about has given rise to a greater vulture population: there's a roost in Land Park (Sacramento) that's home to 60 or so of the birds. What's clear to me is that their carrion is coming from the roadsides. Commenters carrion!/carry on! -Tom
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How absurd. Certainly, hardcore vegans find solace in scavenging...for discarded plant food. The implication made by the article's intro is that "scavenging" soley means collecting meat and its products.
NO hardcore vegan will ever find "solace" in scavenging for animal flesh. What a fat, stupid LIE!
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Multiple squirrel, fox, groundhog, chipmunk, deer, and rabbit furs (and bones and teeth) later, I think I have enough experience with roadkill to tell you that it is nasty. 99% of the roadkill I stop and check is beyond sickening. And I couldn't imagine eating any of the bodies I've collected. People, these animals are nasty. They have vermin, fleas, and deer ticks that carry Lyme disease. Their bodies are full of parasites and disease.
These are the weaker animals that are pushed out of the wilderness by stronger, more competive animals, and have to accept polluted areas near highways. They are full of heavy metals, pollution, pesticides and herbicides. They eat junk food thrown from cars. There is nothing natural or pure about eating roadkill, and only a fool would do so.
This article is written by poorly informed people who think that what they are doing is "organic," simple, and natural. We're not living in the eighteenth or nineteenth century. This isn't Walden Pond. And it's criminal to write such an article telling others anything different.
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