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Serious About Green Jobs? It's Time to Throw 'Free Trade' out the Window
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If we're going to have green jobs in this country, we'll have to face up to the real world, rather than the one imagined by free trade apostles like New York Times columnist, Thomas Friedman. He seems oblivious to the fact that the every nation, except ours, is trying to protect and enhance its key industries without worrying very much about "free trade" principles. Instead, Friedman believes that with proper carbon pricing and energy efficiency regulations, we can win the global race to produce the next wave of alternative energy technologies. He writes:
"We can either invest in policies to build U.S. leadership in these new industries and jobs today, or we can continue with business as usual and buy windmills from Europe, batteries from Japan and solar panels from Asia. If we do not impose on ourselves the necessity to drive innovation in clean-technology -- by imposing the right prices on carbon emissions and the right regulations to promote energy efficiency -- we will be laggards in the next great global industry."
According to Thomas Friedman and other globalization enthusiasts, all countries compete in a flat world, and the ones that are smartest are the ones that walk off with the prize -- new jobs and riches for their nations, as well as better products to protect us all from global warming.
As a result, globalization advocates believe that smart policies to set proper prices on carbon and to promote energy efficiency will spur more and better innovations.
Wake up Mr. Friedman and join us back here on planet Earth! Here's what your own newspaper reported just a few days after you opined about the great competitive race we should be running:
"Calling renewable energy a strategic industry, China is trying hard to make sure that its companies dominate globally. Just as Japan and South Korea made it hard for Detroit automakers to compete in those countries -- giving their own automakers time to amass economies of scale in sheltered domestic markets -- China is shielding its clean-energy sector while it grows to a point where it can take on the world."
We're about to creamed in the global race for green jobs.
Beneath the ideology of free-trade, countries do what they can to promote their comparative advantage. Some countries allow union organizers to be harassed and even killed to keep down the price of labor. The U.S. subsidizes agricultural production, much to the detriment of poorer nations that can't compete with our underpriced crops. Europe provides enormous support for key industries (like aircraft), and China manipulates its currency to keep its exports cheap.
In the case of solar energy and wind turbines, China is also protecting its homespun alternative-energy industries using every trick in the book. The New York Times reports:
"When the Chinese government took bids this spring for 25 large contracts to supply wind turbines, every contract was won by one of seven domestic companies. All six multinationals that submitted bids were disqualified on various technical grounds, like not providing sufficiently detailed data."
But don't blame China for bending the rules in behalf of its people. Blame pundits like Friedman who refuse to protect industries and workers in America. We are one of the few countries that places no barriers on corporations that move increasing numbers of jobs outside the country as soon as they can do so profitably.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 20, 2009 10:16 PM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 21, 2009 3:27 AM
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Jul 21, 2009 3:51 AM
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Problem is if we were to recind many of the unfair trade treaties we have to protect jobs here, then China could extort us over the American debts they have.
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Posted by: mtcloud on Jul 21, 2009 5:05 AM
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Where does a man, who needs his own offshore drilling platform just to keep the east wing of his house heated, get the balls to write a book chiding America for driving energy-inefficient automobiles?
Where does a guy whose family bulldozed 2.1 million square feet of pristine Hawaiian wilderness to put a Gap, an Old Navy, a Sears, an Abercrombie and even a Foot Locker in paradise get off preaching to the rest of us about the need for a "Green Revolution"?
Well, he'll explain it all to you in 438 crisply written pages for just $27.95, $30.95 if you have the misfortune to be Canadian.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 21, 2009 6:09 AM
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It is a gross distortion of his arguments to say that nations should compete simply on the basis of the cost of labor, but it is precisely this distorted view of free trade that we have bought into in recent decades. This distortion benefits the most wealthy among us and disadvantages the majority. Adam Smith specifically recommended tariffs as a means of compensating for wage level differences between countries in order to allow a fair trade to benefit all.
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Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 21, 2009 7:26 AM
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But the measure of success in these cases became: "how well is GM's stock doing?", "how is Pfizer's stock doing?"
A meaningful measure would have been: "how has quality of life changed as a result of what GM is doing?", "how has quality of life changed as a result of what Pfizer is doing?"
The answer to these sets of measures is very, very different.
In the military there is a saying "expect what you inspect". With measures of success such as GDP, DOW, NASDAQ, and so on, we will get what we currently have, a dysfunctional society spinning out of control.
It is insane that we currently do not have a way to measure the single thing that is important, quality of life. Without such a measure how can anyone argue with a straight face that our corporate culture maximizes quality of life?
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 21, 2009 9:45 AM
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Go to Hemp 4 Fuel...
http://hemp4fuel.com/
See the "Why Hemp" section as well real good site..!
We can get Cellulose Ethanol from the huge stalks, as well as Bio Diesel from the Seeds refine it regionally and it Renews every 4 months..!
It's not a drug doesn't get you high, so why is it like everything else these days off the table..?
Grow Here, Grow Now Baby...!
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Jul 21, 2009 9:48 AM
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Yeah, but, see, like, um... we need to keep, like, perpetuating this unrestricted free market capitalist system that got us into this shithole in the first place, cuz, um, like, if you don't, then um, like, we'll all, um, um, um, um, um....
That's right, morons. You don't have an answer. Or else you know that the answer to that is that we'll all live a better life, and this poor, defiled planet might actually regain some of its former pristine natural glory.
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Posted by: vspoils on Jul 21, 2009 1:30 PM
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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller
So, what we are paying attention to in the news is what they allow us to argue about to keep us distracted while the real work has been going on for decades to create a one-world economic machine, with us Americans as the police arm. Witness the constant warring we are doing, in the name of democracy. Now THERE's an antiquated notion.
When will we actually CARE ENOUGH to ACT or even REACT? It's not too late, but ALMOST, my friends...almost...
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Posted by: orftc on Jul 21, 2009 1:41 PM
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Posted by: Deep on Jul 21, 2009 2:45 PM
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This does not mean that all the wind farms will be made in Madrid. Infact they will be made in places like Ebensburg, PA. Wind turbines are HUGE, they are the size of a skyscraper. It costs a lot to transport them, so you have to make them close to where the wind farm is going to be, such as Central Pennsylvania. They are not easy transport, especially up a mountain. These jobs will be done by Americans.
We need to do what Europeans have done by making it worth while to invest in wind and solar.
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Jul 21, 2009 5:01 PM
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We also right now have a colossal, but dangerous resource in this country: carbon in the form of trillions of dead trees and/or branches threatening to burst into billion-dollar fires in California and many other places.
We also have billions of unwanted boards and sticks and plywood littering the cities, as well as dumpsters full of reusable wood torn from demolished housing etc. in dangter of being wasted because of a prevailing plague of ignorance which domineers over the minds of our obese screenstaring citizenry.
Anyone who starts gathering this "debris" and subjecting it to a bit of reworking via cheap ubiquitous tools discovers that there is something intrinsically healthgiving about handwork; every golden moment so spent is precious exercise equivalent to music. We can start with thrift store shelving so that the other goods (wood, glass, metal, plastic etc.) have a place to lie waiting for buyers to show up who can figure out what to do with them.
Now here's a project which reconciles the different contending sides of the globalism argument: let's gather boards and trim and sort them into kits, along with screws and other hardware and old bike wheels with the fork attached, with which Chinese, Indians, Africans will montage the final product: B-carts, i.e. bike-trailers which can haul hundreds of pounds of groceries and so forth behind a bike or moped (something they have millions of in those countries instead of big fat heavy cars). This can substitute for the hundreds of millions of cars Brazil, India, China et al. are threatening to put on the road in the next few decades. As for "roundwood", or smaller-than-"lumber" dead trunks and branches, let's import hundreds of millions of illegal alien extraterrestrial Mormons from outer space to help us make these into walksticks, mallet handles, etc. all manner of toys to teach the children worldwide music, math, engineering and profoundest woodproduct oppoertunity consciousness.
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jul 21, 2009 8:59 PM
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There is also the issue that if we want to have things like environmentally conscious companies, permitting, regulation, lawyers gone wild, and unions, they will add cost to a product. We must put in restrictions on imports that they either live up to that standard or pay a penalty, or we ship jobs and wealth overseas -until no one can afford to care about such things- .
Let em start a trade war. Fuckem. America has enough energy and resources that we don't have to import much of anything. It will be a little rough for a while as we rebuild our industrial and mineral extraction infrastructure after 30 years of destructive policy, but once done it will be cleaner and more efficient, will create tens of millions of good jobs, and will bring a higher standard of living.
A very famous man said that the difference between building an item here or buying it imported is that when we build it here, we get the item, the money, and the jobs it took to make it. When we import it, we just get the item.
There is no excuse to send trillions overseas for imports when we have hundreds of years of oil here, and all of the resources and workforce that we need. Worse yet, the productivity and wealth that we are exporting is going to people that are making their countries and our planet into a giant Love Canal.
I can't possibly see how having a wind turbine built in a super polluting country and being shipped a couple of thousand miles is better than building it here. There is all of this talk about buying local produce and food, and then they go buy Asian turbines, cars, and solar panels?
One last note, the GF's kid used to make wind turbine parts. Now he is laid off. Some people in India are very happy about that. Instead of creating wealth and paying taxes, now he is a burden. Hooray for free trade.
Put America back to work, and have our products made in an environmentally sound way. We need tariffs to level the playing field.
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Posted by: JJdazer on Jul 22, 2009 8:19 AM
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Tarrifs, protectionism, taxes and stealth manipulation would seem more appropriate when we discuss trade.
Decentralisation is what is needed, not globalisation.
This in all areas of food & energy.
Unfortunately economics will not allow this.
Ultimately it will come as the old systems start to collapse under our feet.
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Posted by: Geno1190 on Jul 23, 2009 3:48 PM
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jul 23, 2009 10:41 PM
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go ahead... shoot yourselves in the foot then wonder why you have no jobs or manufacturing sector or anything else... the manufacturing sector or RUST BELT is history... if you cant trade something to somewhere whats left?
green jobs wont feed the masses and all the intelicual property rights that the politicals were saying was going to pave the way to the new century wont materialize because all those property rights went offshore with Bush's tax deferments in Bush43's first term...
the rich just got richer and the taxpayers got stuck with a rather HUGE BILL!
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Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus on Jul 24, 2009 11:21 PM
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All these green energy projects are scams of the fossil fuel industries and you guys are too stupid to notice. They never provide the actual unbiased figures and facts to back up their claims. Renewable energy is the biggest scam since pet rocks and you have to have the intelligence of a rock to not notice.
Why do you think the biggest opposition is against nuclear energy that can actually replace fossil fuels yet there is hardly any opposition against wind turbine and solar?
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 21, 2009 3:27 AM
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Jul 21, 2009 3:51 AM
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Problem is if we were to recind many of the unfair trade treaties we have to protect jobs here, then China could extort us over the American debts they have.
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Posted by: mtcloud on Jul 21, 2009 5:05 AM
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Where does a man, who needs his own offshore drilling platform just to keep the east wing of his house heated, get the balls to write a book chiding America for driving energy-inefficient automobiles?
Where does a guy whose family bulldozed 2.1 million square feet of pristine Hawaiian wilderness to put a Gap, an Old Navy, a Sears, an Abercrombie and even a Foot Locker in paradise get off preaching to the rest of us about the need for a "Green Revolution"?
Well, he'll explain it all to you in 438 crisply written pages for just $27.95, $30.95 if you have the misfortune to be Canadian.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 21, 2009 6:09 AM
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It is a gross distortion of his arguments to say that nations should compete simply on the basis of the cost of labor, but it is precisely this distorted view of free trade that we have bought into in recent decades. This distortion benefits the most wealthy among us and disadvantages the majority. Adam Smith specifically recommended tariffs as a means of compensating for wage level differences between countries in order to allow a fair trade to benefit all.
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Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 21, 2009 7:26 AM
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But the measure of success in these cases became: "how well is GM's stock doing?", "how is Pfizer's stock doing?"
A meaningful measure would have been: "how has quality of life changed as a result of what GM is doing?", "how has quality of life changed as a result of what Pfizer is doing?"
The answer to these sets of measures is very, very different.
In the military there is a saying "expect what you inspect". With measures of success such as GDP, DOW, NASDAQ, and so on, we will get what we currently have, a dysfunctional society spinning out of control.
It is insane that we currently do not have a way to measure the single thing that is important, quality of life. Without such a measure how can anyone argue with a straight face that our corporate culture maximizes quality of life?
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 21, 2009 9:45 AM
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Go to Hemp 4 Fuel...
http://hemp4fuel.com/
See the "Why Hemp" section as well real good site..!
We can get Cellulose Ethanol from the huge stalks, as well as Bio Diesel from the Seeds refine it regionally and it Renews every 4 months..!
It's not a drug doesn't get you high, so why is it like everything else these days off the table..?
Grow Here, Grow Now Baby...!
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Jul 21, 2009 9:48 AM
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Yeah, but, see, like, um... we need to keep, like, perpetuating this unrestricted free market capitalist system that got us into this shithole in the first place, cuz, um, like, if you don't, then um, like, we'll all, um, um, um, um, um....
That's right, morons. You don't have an answer. Or else you know that the answer to that is that we'll all live a better life, and this poor, defiled planet might actually regain some of its former pristine natural glory.
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Posted by: vspoils on Jul 21, 2009 1:30 PM
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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller
So, what we are paying attention to in the news is what they allow us to argue about to keep us distracted while the real work has been going on for decades to create a one-world economic machine, with us Americans as the police arm. Witness the constant warring we are doing, in the name of democracy. Now THERE's an antiquated notion.
When will we actually CARE ENOUGH to ACT or even REACT? It's not too late, but ALMOST, my friends...almost...
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Posted by: orftc on Jul 21, 2009 1:41 PM
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Posted by: Deep on Jul 21, 2009 2:45 PM
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This does not mean that all the wind farms will be made in Madrid. Infact they will be made in places like Ebensburg, PA. Wind turbines are HUGE, they are the size of a skyscraper. It costs a lot to transport them, so you have to make them close to where the wind farm is going to be, such as Central Pennsylvania. They are not easy transport, especially up a mountain. These jobs will be done by Americans.
We need to do what Europeans have done by making it worth while to invest in wind and solar.
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Jul 21, 2009 5:01 PM
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We also right now have a colossal, but dangerous resource in this country: carbon in the form of trillions of dead trees and/or branches threatening to burst into billion-dollar fires in California and many other places.
We also have billions of unwanted boards and sticks and plywood littering the cities, as well as dumpsters full of reusable wood torn from demolished housing etc. in dangter of being wasted because of a prevailing plague of ignorance which domineers over the minds of our obese screenstaring citizenry.
Anyone who starts gathering this "debris" and subjecting it to a bit of reworking via cheap ubiquitous tools discovers that there is something intrinsically healthgiving about handwork; every golden moment so spent is precious exercise equivalent to music. We can start with thrift store shelving so that the other goods (wood, glass, metal, plastic etc.) have a place to lie waiting for buyers to show up who can figure out what to do with them.
Now here's a project which reconciles the different contending sides of the globalism argument: let's gather boards and trim and sort them into kits, along with screws and other hardware and old bike wheels with the fork attached, with which Chinese, Indians, Africans will montage the final product: B-carts, i.e. bike-trailers which can haul hundreds of pounds of groceries and so forth behind a bike or moped (something they have millions of in those countries instead of big fat heavy cars). This can substitute for the hundreds of millions of cars Brazil, India, China et al. are threatening to put on the road in the next few decades. As for "roundwood", or smaller-than-"lumber" dead trunks and branches, let's import hundreds of millions of illegal alien extraterrestrial Mormons from outer space to help us make these into walksticks, mallet handles, etc. all manner of toys to teach the children worldwide music, math, engineering and profoundest woodproduct oppoertunity consciousness.
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jul 21, 2009 8:59 PM
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There is also the issue that if we want to have things like environmentally conscious companies, permitting, regulation, lawyers gone wild, and unions, they will add cost to a product. We must put in restrictions on imports that they either live up to that standard or pay a penalty, or we ship jobs and wealth overseas -until no one can afford to care about such things- .
Let em start a trade war. Fuckem. America has enough energy and resources that we don't have to import much of anything. It will be a little rough for a while as we rebuild our industrial and mineral extraction infrastructure after 30 years of destructive policy, but once done it will be cleaner and more efficient, will create tens of millions of good jobs, and will bring a higher standard of living.
A very famous man said that the difference between building an item here or buying it imported is that when we build it here, we get the item, the money, and the jobs it took to make it. When we import it, we just get the item.
There is no excuse to send trillions overseas for imports when we have hundreds of years of oil here, and all of the resources and workforce that we need. Worse yet, the productivity and wealth that we are exporting is going to people that are making their countries and our planet into a giant Love Canal.
I can't possibly see how having a wind turbine built in a super polluting country and being shipped a couple of thousand miles is better than building it here. There is all of this talk about buying local produce and food, and then they go buy Asian turbines, cars, and solar panels?
One last note, the GF's kid used to make wind turbine parts. Now he is laid off. Some people in India are very happy about that. Instead of creating wealth and paying taxes, now he is a burden. Hooray for free trade.
Put America back to work, and have our products made in an environmentally sound way. We need tariffs to level the playing field.
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Posted by: JJdazer on Jul 22, 2009 8:19 AM
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Tarrifs, protectionism, taxes and stealth manipulation would seem more appropriate when we discuss trade.
Decentralisation is what is needed, not globalisation.
This in all areas of food & energy.
Unfortunately economics will not allow this.
Ultimately it will come as the old systems start to collapse under our feet.
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Posted by: Geno1190 on Jul 23, 2009 3:48 PM
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jul 23, 2009 10:41 PM
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go ahead... shoot yourselves in the foot then wonder why you have no jobs or manufacturing sector or anything else... the manufacturing sector or RUST BELT is history... if you cant trade something to somewhere whats left?
green jobs wont feed the masses and all the intelicual property rights that the politicals were saying was going to pave the way to the new century wont materialize because all those property rights went offshore with Bush's tax deferments in Bush43's first term...
the rich just got richer and the taxpayers got stuck with a rather HUGE BILL!
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Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus on Jul 24, 2009 11:21 PM
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All these green energy projects are scams of the fossil fuel industries and you guys are too stupid to notice. They never provide the actual unbiased figures and facts to back up their claims. Renewable energy is the biggest scam since pet rocks and you have to have the intelligence of a rock to not notice.
Why do you think the biggest opposition is against nuclear energy that can actually replace fossil fuels yet there is hardly any opposition against wind turbine and solar?
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Posted by: hahaho on Jul 30, 2009 5:13 AM
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