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Should We Bulldoze the 'Burbs?

A debate has ensued about whether to raze neighborhoods that have fallen into economic decay.
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A story last week in the Telegraph, a British paper, describes how the city of Flint, Mich., a former industrial powerhouse now facing depopulation and plummeting home values, is dealing with vacant housing.

The solution? Bulldoze entire districts, returning the land to nature, and concentrate the population in the urban core.

The Telegraph's Tom Leonard reports that the idea is the brainchild of Dan Kildee, treasurer of Genesee County, which includes Flint.

He said: "The obsession with growth is sadly a very American thing. Across the US, there's an assumption that all development is good, that if communities are growing they are successful. If they're shrinking, they're failing."

But some Flint dustcarts are collecting just one rubbish bag a week, roads are decaying, police are very understaffed and there were simply too few people to pay for services, he said.

If the city didn't downsize it will eventually go bankrupt, he added.

The article reports that the city has already demolished 1,100 abandoned homes, and that Mr. Kildee estimates that another 3,000 will need to come down. Overall, local officials believe that the city will need to contract its area.

Additionally, the city is buying up homes in upscale neighborhoods, which it will offer to people living in areas that it wants to demolish. But nobody will be forced to move, according to Kildee.

Kildee met with Barack Obama during his presidential campaign, and has been approached by the government to look into applying his strategy to other Rust Belt cities (prompting the Drudge Report to link to the story with the headline, "OBAMA ERA: BULLDOZE SHRINKING CITIES?")

Razing declining neighborhoods doesn't seem to be a priority right now for the Obama administration, but Harvard urban economist Edward Glaeser thinks it should be. Writing in the New York Times's Economix blog, Professor Glaeser argues that some cities just aren't going to come back.

These cities, he writes, would do well to focus their investment on people, not on infrastructure:

After all, the job of government is to enrich and empower the lives of its citizens, not to chase the chimera of population growth targets. Just once, I want to hear a Rust Belt mayor say with pride "my city lost 200,000 people during my term, but we've given them the education they need to find a better life elsewhere."

Glaeser points out that the distribution of America's population was very different a century ago. In 1900, the 20 largest US cities were on waterways. But the advent of the automobile made it possible to travel over land cheaply, and people migrated in droves to the wide open of the Sun Belt. (The rise of air conditioning probably helped, too.)


Eoin O'Carroll is a blogger for The Christian Science Monitor.
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This is probably a good idea because...
Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 30, 2009 2:36 AM   
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...Rush Limbaugh thinks it's horrible!

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» Who Runs Cities like Flint? Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» money runs cities like Flint Posted by: hurricane hugo

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Let's bulldoze Washington DC first.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 30, 2009 4:58 AM   
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The suburbs will be taken care of from there.

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» RE: Let's bulldoze Washington DC first. Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» Why bother with a bulldozer? Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing

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Bulldoze it
Posted by: moenbailey on Jun 30, 2009 5:14 AM   
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As a building contractor for over 30 years I completely agree with the demolition of the vacant damaged homes. Many of these abandoned and blighted homes are in such poor shape that they can never be repaired into well functioning homes. I have worked on many older (historical) homes. It is what I specialized in. I was also the project manager for a very large annual Habitat for Humanity donation for 10 years. Trying to save bad housing is usually a bad deal for every one involved especially the owner who ends up with one. Many newer homes are going to meet the same fate much sooner than suburban owners believe. Anyone interested in reading more about housing problems might be interested in reading "The Toxic Assets May Have No Future Value" It is an article that was up on Partick.net (the housing crash site) in May. I wrote the article. Google "Barking At The Snow". The article is usually three down from the top.

Clearing the damaged homes back to green space seems a very good idea in many cases along with recycling as much of the damaged homes as possible.

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Bullldoze??? Ridiculous, why
Posted by: wallisp on Jun 30, 2009 5:29 AM   
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With so many out of work, bulldozing a neighborhood would just be totally stupid. Cities could hire people to go in and disassemble the structure for recycling, and provide needed jobs. Reselling building materials, would pay for labor. These material could be used for many other uses.

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» You must of never been to Flint Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars

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Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
Posted by: rickiey on Jun 30, 2009 5:54 AM   
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How about offering middle-income housing to low-income families and bulldozing the low-income housing?

Is there any need to create a "housing gap" by getting rid of the middle and making sure people live in either high-income, or low-income housing?

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Our American Land Ethic Sucks
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 30, 2009 7:44 AM   
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apart of this is our land ethic as Americans. We build for the moment than thinking "what would this look like 100 years from now." The greatest example are Stadiums and Arenas that get old after 10 years!?! Then again the "cookie cutter" phase of the 60's and 70's those should see the wrecking ball however why not build something that create Civic Pried such as Yankee Stadium than just something "Georgia Dome-esk"

The Atlanta Falcons want a new crib and I'm thinking "you must be crazy" however it is a faceless structure. Who would imagined tearing down Fenway or Wrigley for just a concrete donuts? How about putting the extra effort and create something like your granddaddies did (i.e. Michigan Stadium) so we don't have to worry about this for another10 years. Maybe you might just get someone like me whom want to just show up and hang out in the darn thing and I'm far from a Wolverine fan.

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Give the land back to nature
Posted by: xvictor on Jun 30, 2009 8:10 AM   
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Many of these sites were ill-conceived anyway. The deer and the raccoons will love you for it.

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The owning class needs to STFU
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM   
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Every time an owning-classer opens their mouths more stoopid comes belching forth. The abstract idea is nothing more than more owning class idiocy.

Here's the reality check: The Amerikaaner Owning Class needs to pony up the demo costs of "blighted" housing PLUS the cost of erecting in it's stead, affordable energy efficient housing for the lower class people their owning class craptasm shafted (yet again), and that same owning class needs to pony up the cash to pay for such better housing with site-specific construction matls and methods (strawbale, rammed earth, etc). The Owning class made the mess, they should have to foot the bill, all 110% of it.

No one should be homeless before we "bulldoze" neighborhoods to leave them vacant or "return them to nature" (unless of course you're setting up yurts and shit for people to live in these new woodland habitats).

Far too many people are homeless, uninsured, and insufficiently paid to maintain their dignity (let alone survival). Until THAT craptasm changes, the owning class really needs to learn to S.T.F.U!

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Two things
Posted by: willymack on Jun 30, 2009 10:10 AM   
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MUST be dealt with, honestly and with determination and dedication if ANY good is to become of our twisted and distorted "society".
Our population is already too high. It must be REDUCED, worldwide and in the U.S. This is so obvious that it doesn't need any elaboration. In the end, this may well come to ending immigration to our country from ANYWHERE, no exceptions, as part of the solution.
We simply have to sort out who the bad people are, and deprive them of any power over us. Anyone with half a brain can readily see the grotesque stranglehold bad people have on us. They create a false "history". They rob us blind while ensuring a lion's share of our largess for themselves and their offspring. They promote "growth" as something divine and obligatory, when even a cursory glance at the ghastly consequences of their actions shows them for the pathological liars and thieves they are. They have a cult mentality, and set themselves above everyone else, while commanding us to worship them. Far too many of us actually do this, and this must END.

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On the Other Hand....
Posted by: Kevin Carson on Jun 30, 2009 5:21 PM   
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...why not leave the burbs in place and let them develop into mixed-use communities?

Specifically, let them grow their own productive economy and exchange system.

The single most underutilized capital resource in our economy is the spare capacity of ordinary household capital goods that most people own. This spare capacity could be the basis of microenterprises in the informal and household economy: e.g. a microbakery using an ordinary kitchen oven, an unlicensed cab service using family car and cell phone, etc. As corporate logistic chains dry up and the transportation system degrades in the face of Peak Oil and the collapse of debt-fueled demand, we can expect a great deal of manufacturing to shift from the factory production of new goods to repair and recycling in the informal sector--especially the custom machining of replacement parts in small machine shops and the better equipped backyard hobby shops to keep appliances running. And intensive raised-bed horticulture can feed one person on a tenth of an acre--less than half the area of a typical suburban quarter-acre lot. If people living in the burbs start trading their skills and labor directly with each other through barter networks and other local currency systems, it will go a long way toward what the Wobblies call "building the foundation of the new society within the shell of the old."

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No
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 AM   
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We should bulldoze the offices of AlterNet and those of every other collaborationist media outlet and think tank, march on Washington and hang every judge and and politician in the city.

And that's just for starters.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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We need tio think outside the "box" – more than ever.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM   
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This article brings up another argument for modular housing.

If those homes were factory-built, modular homes, they could have been disassembled, resold and transported to some other location that might be able to use them. I know that sounds crazy in our tough economic times, but people always need housing (and some modular homes are designed to be resized as well.) It just seems a pity to destroy assets already in existence, simply because they're in the wrong place.

There's not much we can do about those stick-built houses already standing, but maybe we should rethink the traditional on-site built house and its incredibly inefficient stick-by-stick construction. There are many other more economical alternatives, some of which have been used elsewhere in the world for decades.

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Modular housing is a good idea
Posted by: Changling on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM   
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The Japanse perfected it in the 1970's after people like Buckminster Fuller pioneered it in the 1940's.

It would change the make up of construction but that is the price of changing times.

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This is probably a good idea because...
Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 30, 2009 2:36 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...Rush Limbaugh thinks it's horrible!

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» Who Runs Cities like Flint? Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» money runs cities like Flint Posted by: hurricane hugo

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Let's bulldoze Washington DC first.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 30, 2009 4:58 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The suburbs will be taken care of from there.

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» RE: Let's bulldoze Washington DC first. Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» Why bother with a bulldozer? Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing

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Bulldoze it
Posted by: moenbailey on Jun 30, 2009 5:14 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As a building contractor for over 30 years I completely agree with the demolition of the vacant damaged homes. Many of these abandoned and blighted homes are in such poor shape that they can never be repaired into well functioning homes. I have worked on many older (historical) homes. It is what I specialized in. I was also the project manager for a very large annual Habitat for Humanity donation for 10 years. Trying to save bad housing is usually a bad deal for every one involved especially the owner who ends up with one. Many newer homes are going to meet the same fate much sooner than suburban owners believe. Anyone interested in reading more about housing problems might be interested in reading "The Toxic Assets May Have No Future Value" It is an article that was up on Partick.net (the housing crash site) in May. I wrote the article. Google "Barking At The Snow". The article is usually three down from the top.

Clearing the damaged homes back to green space seems a very good idea in many cases along with recycling as much of the damaged homes as possible.

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Bullldoze??? Ridiculous, why
Posted by: wallisp on Jun 30, 2009 5:29 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
With so many out of work, bulldozing a neighborhood would just be totally stupid. Cities could hire people to go in and disassemble the structure for recycling, and provide needed jobs. Reselling building materials, would pay for labor. These material could be used for many other uses.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» You must of never been to Flint Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars

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Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
Posted by: rickiey on Jun 30, 2009 5:54 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How about offering middle-income housing to low-income families and bulldozing the low-income housing?

Is there any need to create a "housing gap" by getting rid of the middle and making sure people live in either high-income, or low-income housing?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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Our American Land Ethic Sucks
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 30, 2009 7:44 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
apart of this is our land ethic as Americans. We build for the moment than thinking "what would this look like 100 years from now." The greatest example are Stadiums and Arenas that get old after 10 years!?! Then again the "cookie cutter" phase of the 60's and 70's those should see the wrecking ball however why not build something that create Civic Pried such as Yankee Stadium than just something "Georgia Dome-esk"

The Atlanta Falcons want a new crib and I'm thinking "you must be crazy" however it is a faceless structure. Who would imagined tearing down Fenway or Wrigley for just a concrete donuts? How about putting the extra effort and create something like your granddaddies did (i.e. Michigan Stadium) so we don't have to worry about this for another10 years. Maybe you might just get someone like me whom want to just show up and hang out in the darn thing and I'm far from a Wolverine fan.

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Give the land back to nature
Posted by: xvictor on Jun 30, 2009 8:10 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Many of these sites were ill-conceived anyway. The deer and the raccoons will love you for it.

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The owning class needs to STFU
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Every time an owning-classer opens their mouths more stoopid comes belching forth. The abstract idea is nothing more than more owning class idiocy.

Here's the reality check: The Amerikaaner Owning Class needs to pony up the demo costs of "blighted" housing PLUS the cost of erecting in it's stead, affordable energy efficient housing for the lower class people their owning class craptasm shafted (yet again), and that same owning class needs to pony up the cash to pay for such better housing with site-specific construction matls and methods (strawbale, rammed earth, etc). The Owning class made the mess, they should have to foot the bill, all 110% of it.

No one should be homeless before we "bulldoze" neighborhoods to leave them vacant or "return them to nature" (unless of course you're setting up yurts and shit for people to live in these new woodland habitats).

Far too many people are homeless, uninsured, and insufficiently paid to maintain their dignity (let alone survival). Until THAT craptasm changes, the owning class really needs to learn to S.T.F.U!

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Two things
Posted by: willymack on Jun 30, 2009 10:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
MUST be dealt with, honestly and with determination and dedication if ANY good is to become of our twisted and distorted "society".
Our population is already too high. It must be REDUCED, worldwide and in the U.S. This is so obvious that it doesn't need any elaboration. In the end, this may well come to ending immigration to our country from ANYWHERE, no exceptions, as part of the solution.
We simply have to sort out who the bad people are, and deprive them of any power over us. Anyone with half a brain can readily see the grotesque stranglehold bad people have on us. They create a false "history". They rob us blind while ensuring a lion's share of our largess for themselves and their offspring. They promote "growth" as something divine and obligatory, when even a cursory glance at the ghastly consequences of their actions shows them for the pathological liars and thieves they are. They have a cult mentality, and set themselves above everyone else, while commanding us to worship them. Far too many of us actually do this, and this must END.

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» RE: Two things Posted by: raiders757

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On the Other Hand....
Posted by: Kevin Carson on Jun 30, 2009 5:21 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...why not leave the burbs in place and let them develop into mixed-use communities?

Specifically, let them grow their own productive economy and exchange system.

The single most underutilized capital resource in our economy is the spare capacity of ordinary household capital goods that most people own. This spare capacity could be the basis of microenterprises in the informal and household economy: e.g. a microbakery using an ordinary kitchen oven, an unlicensed cab service using family car and cell phone, etc. As corporate logistic chains dry up and the transportation system degrades in the face of Peak Oil and the collapse of debt-fueled demand, we can expect a great deal of manufacturing to shift from the factory production of new goods to repair and recycling in the informal sector--especially the custom machining of replacement parts in small machine shops and the better equipped backyard hobby shops to keep appliances running. And intensive raised-bed horticulture can feed one person on a tenth of an acre--less than half the area of a typical suburban quarter-acre lot. If people living in the burbs start trading their skills and labor directly with each other through barter networks and other local currency systems, it will go a long way toward what the Wobblies call "building the foundation of the new society within the shell of the old."

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No
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 AM   
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We should bulldoze the offices of AlterNet and those of every other collaborationist media outlet and think tank, march on Washington and hang every judge and and politician in the city.

And that's just for starters.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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We need tio think outside the "box" – more than ever.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This article brings up another argument for modular housing.

If those homes were factory-built, modular homes, they could have been disassembled, resold and transported to some other location that might be able to use them. I know that sounds crazy in our tough economic times, but people always need housing (and some modular homes are designed to be resized as well.) It just seems a pity to destroy assets already in existence, simply because they're in the wrong place.

There's not much we can do about those stick-built houses already standing, but maybe we should rethink the traditional on-site built house and its incredibly inefficient stick-by-stick construction. There are many other more economical alternatives, some of which have been used elsewhere in the world for decades.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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Modular housing is a good idea
Posted by: Changling on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Japanse perfected it in the 1970's after people like Buckminster Fuller pioneered it in the 1940's.

It would change the make up of construction but that is the price of changing times.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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