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Should We Bulldoze the 'Burbs?
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A story last week in the Telegraph, a British paper, describes how the city of Flint, Mich., a former industrial powerhouse now facing depopulation and plummeting home values, is dealing with vacant housing.
The solution? Bulldoze entire districts, returning the land to nature, and concentrate the population in the urban core.
The Telegraph's Tom Leonard reports that the idea is the brainchild of Dan Kildee, treasurer of Genesee County, which includes Flint.
He said: "The obsession with growth is sadly a very American thing. Across the US, there's an assumption that all development is good, that if communities are growing they are successful. If they're shrinking, they're failing."
But some Flint dustcarts are collecting just one rubbish bag a week, roads are decaying, police are very understaffed and there were simply too few people to pay for services, he said.
If the city didn't downsize it will eventually go bankrupt, he added.
The article reports that the city has already demolished 1,100 abandoned homes, and that Mr. Kildee estimates that another 3,000 will need to come down. Overall, local officials believe that the city will need to contract its area.
Additionally, the city is buying up homes in upscale neighborhoods, which it will offer to people living in areas that it wants to demolish. But nobody will be forced to move, according to Kildee.
Kildee met with Barack Obama during his presidential campaign, and has been approached by the government to look into applying his strategy to other Rust Belt cities (prompting the Drudge Report to link to the story with the headline, "OBAMA ERA: BULLDOZE SHRINKING CITIES?")
Razing declining neighborhoods doesn't seem to be a priority right now for the Obama administration, but Harvard urban economist Edward Glaeser thinks it should be. Writing in the New York Times's Economix blog, Professor Glaeser argues that some cities just aren't going to come back.
These cities, he writes, would do well to focus their investment on people, not on infrastructure:
After all, the job of government is to enrich and empower the lives of its citizens, not to chase the chimera of population growth targets. Just once, I want to hear a Rust Belt mayor say with pride "my city lost 200,000 people during my term, but we've given them the education they need to find a better life elsewhere."
Glaeser points out that the distribution of America's population was very different a century ago. In 1900, the 20 largest US cities were on waterways. But the advent of the automobile made it possible to travel over land cheaply, and people migrated in droves to the wide open of the Sun Belt. (The rise of air conditioning probably helped, too.)
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 30, 2009 2:36 AM
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» Who Runs Cities like Flint?
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» It's not 'D's' versus 'R's', SPSANDCC.
Posted by: lupuslefou
» money runs cities like Flint
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» RE: Let's bulldoze Washington DC first.
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» RE: Let's bulldoze Washington DC first.
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» Why bother with a bulldozer?
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» RE: Why bother with a bulldozer?
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Posted by: moenbailey on Jun 30, 2009 5:14 AM
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Clearing the damaged homes back to green space seems a very good idea in many cases along with recycling as much of the damaged homes as possible.
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» RE: Bullldoze??? Ridiculous, why
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» You must of never been to Flint
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» RE: You must of never been to Flint
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» RE: Bullldoze??? Ridiculous, why
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 30, 2009 5:54 AM
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Is there any need to create a "housing gap" by getting rid of the middle and making sure people live in either high-income, or low-income housing?
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» RE: Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
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» RE: Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
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» "offering middle-income housing to low-income families"
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» RE: "offering middle-income housing to low-income families"
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» RE: "offering middle-income housing to low-income families"
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» RE: Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 30, 2009 7:44 AM
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The Atlanta Falcons want a new crib and I'm thinking "you must be crazy" however it is a faceless structure. Who would imagined tearing down Fenway or Wrigley for just a concrete donuts? How about putting the extra effort and create something like your granddaddies did (i.e. Michigan Stadium) so we don't have to worry about this for another10 years. Maybe you might just get someone like me whom want to just show up and hang out in the darn thing and I'm far from a Wolverine fan.
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» RE: Our American Land Ethic Sucks---Stadiums #1 suck
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM
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Here's the reality check: The Amerikaaner Owning Class needs to pony up the demo costs of "blighted" housing PLUS the cost of erecting in it's stead, affordable energy efficient housing for the lower class people their owning class craptasm shafted (yet again), and that same owning class needs to pony up the cash to pay for such better housing with site-specific construction matls and methods (strawbale, rammed earth, etc). The Owning class made the mess, they should have to foot the bill, all 110% of it.
No one should be homeless before we "bulldoze" neighborhoods to leave them vacant or "return them to nature" (unless of course you're setting up yurts and shit for people to live in these new woodland habitats).
Far too many people are homeless, uninsured, and insufficiently paid to maintain their dignity (let alone survival). Until THAT craptasm changes, the owning class really needs to learn to S.T.F.U!
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» RE: The owning class needs to STFU
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 30, 2009 10:10 AM
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Our population is already too high. It must be REDUCED, worldwide and in the U.S. This is so obvious that it doesn't need any elaboration. In the end, this may well come to ending immigration to our country from ANYWHERE, no exceptions, as part of the solution.
We simply have to sort out who the bad people are, and deprive them of any power over us. Anyone with half a brain can readily see the grotesque stranglehold bad people have on us. They create a false "history". They rob us blind while ensuring a lion's share of our largess for themselves and their offspring. They promote "growth" as something divine and obligatory, when even a cursory glance at the ghastly consequences of their actions shows them for the pathological liars and thieves they are. They have a cult mentality, and set themselves above everyone else, while commanding us to worship them. Far too many of us actually do this, and this must END.
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Posted by: Kevin Carson on Jun 30, 2009 5:21 PM
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Specifically, let them grow their own productive economy and exchange system.
The single most underutilized capital resource in our economy is the spare capacity of ordinary household capital goods that most people own. This spare capacity could be the basis of microenterprises in the informal and household economy: e.g. a microbakery using an ordinary kitchen oven, an unlicensed cab service using family car and cell phone, etc. As corporate logistic chains dry up and the transportation system degrades in the face of Peak Oil and the collapse of debt-fueled demand, we can expect a great deal of manufacturing to shift from the factory production of new goods to repair and recycling in the informal sector--especially the custom machining of replacement parts in small machine shops and the better equipped backyard hobby shops to keep appliances running. And intensive raised-bed horticulture can feed one person on a tenth of an acre--less than half the area of a typical suburban quarter-acre lot. If people living in the burbs start trading their skills and labor directly with each other through barter networks and other local currency systems, it will go a long way toward what the Wobblies call "building the foundation of the new society within the shell of the old."
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» RE: On the Other Hand....corporate theocrats have the same idea
Posted by: Changling
» Suburbs are not designed to be mixed usage
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Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 AM
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And that's just for starters.
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» RE: Even the good ones like Kucinich?
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM
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If those homes were factory-built, modular homes, they could have been disassembled, resold and transported to some other location that might be able to use them. I know that sounds crazy in our tough economic times, but people always need housing (and some modular homes are designed to be resized as well.) It just seems a pity to destroy assets already in existence, simply because they're in the wrong place.
There's not much we can do about those stick-built houses already standing, but maybe we should rethink the traditional on-site built house and its incredibly inefficient stick-by-stick construction. There are many other more economical alternatives, some of which have been used elsewhere in the world for decades.
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» RE: We need tio think outside the "box" – more than ever.
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Posted by: Changling on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM
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It would change the make up of construction but that is the price of changing times.
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» Who Runs Cities like Flint?
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» It's not 'D's' versus 'R's', SPSANDCC.
Posted by: lupuslefou
» money runs cities like Flint
Posted by: hurricane hugo
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» RE: Let's bulldoze Washington DC first.
Posted by: kungfuma
» RE: Let's bulldoze Washington DC first.
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» Why bother with a bulldozer?
Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: Why bother with a bulldozer?
Posted by: willymack
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Posted by: moenbailey on Jun 30, 2009 5:14 AM
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Clearing the damaged homes back to green space seems a very good idea in many cases along with recycling as much of the damaged homes as possible.
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» RE: Bulldoze it... hold on there, tex...
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» RE: Bulldoze it... hold on there, tex...
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Posted by: wallisp on Jun 30, 2009 5:29 AM
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» RE: Bullldoze??? Ridiculous, why
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» You must of never been to Flint
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» RE: You must of never been to Flint
Posted by: lupuslefou
» RE: Bullldoze??? Ridiculous, why
Posted by: Ahimsa
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 30, 2009 5:54 AM
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Is there any need to create a "housing gap" by getting rid of the middle and making sure people live in either high-income, or low-income housing?
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» RE: Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
Posted by: adp3d
» RE: Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
Posted by: xvictor
» "offering middle-income housing to low-income families"
Posted by: xvictor
» RE: "offering middle-income housing to low-income families"
Posted by: Deep
» RE: "offering middle-income housing to low-income families"
Posted by: raiders757
» RE: Why not bulldoze the ghettos instead?
Posted by: emen
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 30, 2009 7:44 AM
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The Atlanta Falcons want a new crib and I'm thinking "you must be crazy" however it is a faceless structure. Who would imagined tearing down Fenway or Wrigley for just a concrete donuts? How about putting the extra effort and create something like your granddaddies did (i.e. Michigan Stadium) so we don't have to worry about this for another10 years. Maybe you might just get someone like me whom want to just show up and hang out in the darn thing and I'm far from a Wolverine fan.
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» RE: Our American Land Ethic Sucks---Stadiums #1 suck
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM
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Here's the reality check: The Amerikaaner Owning Class needs to pony up the demo costs of "blighted" housing PLUS the cost of erecting in it's stead, affordable energy efficient housing for the lower class people their owning class craptasm shafted (yet again), and that same owning class needs to pony up the cash to pay for such better housing with site-specific construction matls and methods (strawbale, rammed earth, etc). The Owning class made the mess, they should have to foot the bill, all 110% of it.
No one should be homeless before we "bulldoze" neighborhoods to leave them vacant or "return them to nature" (unless of course you're setting up yurts and shit for people to live in these new woodland habitats).
Far too many people are homeless, uninsured, and insufficiently paid to maintain their dignity (let alone survival). Until THAT craptasm changes, the owning class really needs to learn to S.T.F.U!
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» RE: The owning class needs to STFU
Posted by: raiders757
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 30, 2009 10:10 AM
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Our population is already too high. It must be REDUCED, worldwide and in the U.S. This is so obvious that it doesn't need any elaboration. In the end, this may well come to ending immigration to our country from ANYWHERE, no exceptions, as part of the solution.
We simply have to sort out who the bad people are, and deprive them of any power over us. Anyone with half a brain can readily see the grotesque stranglehold bad people have on us. They create a false "history". They rob us blind while ensuring a lion's share of our largess for themselves and their offspring. They promote "growth" as something divine and obligatory, when even a cursory glance at the ghastly consequences of their actions shows them for the pathological liars and thieves they are. They have a cult mentality, and set themselves above everyone else, while commanding us to worship them. Far too many of us actually do this, and this must END.
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» RE: Two things
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Posted by: Kevin Carson on Jun 30, 2009 5:21 PM
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Specifically, let them grow their own productive economy and exchange system.
The single most underutilized capital resource in our economy is the spare capacity of ordinary household capital goods that most people own. This spare capacity could be the basis of microenterprises in the informal and household economy: e.g. a microbakery using an ordinary kitchen oven, an unlicensed cab service using family car and cell phone, etc. As corporate logistic chains dry up and the transportation system degrades in the face of Peak Oil and the collapse of debt-fueled demand, we can expect a great deal of manufacturing to shift from the factory production of new goods to repair and recycling in the informal sector--especially the custom machining of replacement parts in small machine shops and the better equipped backyard hobby shops to keep appliances running. And intensive raised-bed horticulture can feed one person on a tenth of an acre--less than half the area of a typical suburban quarter-acre lot. If people living in the burbs start trading their skills and labor directly with each other through barter networks and other local currency systems, it will go a long way toward what the Wobblies call "building the foundation of the new society within the shell of the old."
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» RE: On the Other Hand....corporate theocrats have the same idea
Posted by: Changling
» Suburbs are not designed to be mixed usage
Posted by: Deep
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Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 AM
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And that's just for starters.
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» RE: Even the good ones like Kucinich?
Posted by: Changling
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM
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If those homes were factory-built, modular homes, they could have been disassembled, resold and transported to some other location that might be able to use them. I know that sounds crazy in our tough economic times, but people always need housing (and some modular homes are designed to be resized as well.) It just seems a pity to destroy assets already in existence, simply because they're in the wrong place.
There's not much we can do about those stick-built houses already standing, but maybe we should rethink the traditional on-site built house and its incredibly inefficient stick-by-stick construction. There are many other more economical alternatives, some of which have been used elsewhere in the world for decades.
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» RE: We need tio think outside the "box" – more than ever.
Posted by: raiders757
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Posted by: Changling on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM
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It would change the make up of construction but that is the price of changing times.
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