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Creating a 'Pollution Casino': Why the Energy Bill May End Up a Boon for Our Dirtiest Industries

Let's take a look at why Waxman-Markey has the support of big polluters such as Shell Oil and Duke Energy, and not many environmental groups.
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As the states move to establish quotas for renewable-energy production, the federal government -- for once -- hasn't lagged far behind.

At the end of May, the House Energy and Commerce Committee passed "The American Clean Energy and Security Act," also known as the Waxman-Markey bill, which seeks to create a cap-and-trade system to forcibly lower carbon-dioxide emissions. The goal: to ease global warming and avert catastrophic climate change.

But Waxman-Markey, backed by big polluting industries such as Shell Oil and Duke Energy, hasn't garnered full support from environmental groups. Many oppose the bill, citing its incentives are too diluted to be effective and will actually sacrifice billions in revenue that should be invested in clean energy, while others critically support it, urging Congress, as it attempts a historic first by directly addressing climate change, to toughen it.

"There are serious flaws with this bill. The political process is pushing for expediency over strengthening the context, and we think that climate change is too important to get it wrong," says Tyson Slocum, research director at Public Citizen's energy program, from Capitol Hill. Public Citizen is a national nonprofit consumer advocacy organization.

The current drive to get the bill signed into law is twofold: First, the Environmental Protection Agency's March ruling that carbon dioxide threatens the public's health has put pressure on Congress to act, and second, the U.N. plans to hold a Climate Change Conference in December in Copenhagen, which many consider a last chance to create a global plan of action before the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012.

"This bill is possibly the most hamfisted, complicated, expensive way for lowering emissions that could ever be imagined," Ronald Bailey, Reason magazine's science correspondent and adjunct scholar at Cato, says of the onerous 946-page bill. "If you understand cap-and-trade, it's theoretically brilliant -- but that's not reality."

To understand the bill's flaws, first a quick 101 on how cap-and-trade works. The government imposes a limit, or cap, on industrial emissions, requiring major polluters to buy permits from the government or other companies to pollute -- hence the 'trade.' But this also works as an incentive, because companies that reduce their emissions by investing, say, in renewable energy, can sell their excess permits on the open market and make a profit.

But as it stands, the bill distributes 85 percent of those permits to favored industries for free. "If you create a new legal right to pollute and then give it away, that's not an effective strategy," says Slocum, adding this helps fatten polluter's profits without making a dent curbing actual emissions. "The only rationale for this is that special interest has flexed its political muscle."

Indeed, this is politicking as usual. Many permits were given away to woo lawmakers in regions rich with coal, not to mention the industries themselves, which haven't been regulated in the past and lobby heavily for their interests.

The bill would give a large number of permits to coal-fired electric utilities until 2025 to help them make the transition to clearer fuels. But some environmentalists insist all permits should be auctioned off and the money invested in renewable energy.

Just how willing are industries like coal to protect their interests? According to "The Climate Change Lobby," a study conducted by the Center for Public Integrity, last year more than 770 companies and interest groups spent $90 million funding climate-change lobbyists in Washington -- of which The American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity spent $10.5 million alone. So it's no surprise that with Waxman-Markey on the table, and where billions of federal dollars are at stake, vested interests are lining up eager to tailor climate policy in their favor.

Criticism is also levied at the bill's allowance for $2 billion in carbon offsets, $1.5 billion of which would be international. Carbon offsets are the market-based solution for consumers and corporations alike to reduce or negate pollution through cost-effective alternatives, such as planting trees in India to negate emitting carbon at home. Offsets are a seductive sales pitch to trade or buy pollution back, but it doesn't work.

In Europe, the European Union's Emissions Trading Scheme kicked off five years ago, but the market was flooded with permits, making it cheap to pollute -- compare $38 per ton of carbon dioxide, which now trades at $12 per ton.

"The problem with Europe is that each country got to set its own emission allocations, and the temptation to cheat was overwhelming -- in fact, all of them cheated," says Bailey, noting ETS has yet to deliver any greenhouse-gas reductions. According to the Wall Street Journal, European emissions have actually risen by 1 percent per year since 2005.

"Offsets literally provide massive incentives for polluters. Rather than transforming their business practices, they can simply write a small check to an Indonesian farmer, whose activities may not offset their industrial emissions," says Slocum, who also warns that carbon markets are new, unregulated and far from transparent. "This legislation relies on the good graces of Wall Street to behave itself in a brand-new trillion-dollar derivatives market. Wall Street does not have the public interest in mind. It will turn this market into a massive pollution casino that will enrich investment banks at the expense of an accurate price signal."


Dara Colwell is a freelance writer based in San Francisco.
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Mass Idiocy Takes Over US Government - Including Obama
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 25, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Obama:

"The bill sets incentives to spur development of wind, solar and geothermal power, he said, while promoting conservation that will lead to savings for consumers. ... is paid for by the polluters who currently emit the dangerous carbon emissions that contaminate the water we drink and pollute the air ..."

CO2 is not a pollutant. If it was the US Government would have to ban beer and coca-cola. The fizzy stuff is just CO2 dissolved in water.

CO2 is not a pollutant in the atmosphere. It is essential for healthy plant growth. Increased levels of CO2 will promote much better plant growth and more food for the entire World.

Levels of CO2 have a completely negligible effect on the Earth's climate. Other factors are far more important. The Earth's Climate has always changes and always will.

The Planet has been cooling dramatically for the past 10 years - whilst levels of CO2 have continued to rise.

The IPCC is composed of corrupt liars who have a political agenda - not a scientific one.

CO2 is not a pollutant and is not a problem.

Cap & Trade bill won't do anything for the Climate. It won't reduce real pollution - like SO2 Sulphur Dioxide emissions from Power Stations.

The Idiot who sponsored this Bill doesn't know the first thing about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRcq0Lxffwc

The entire thing is the biggest scam of all time - yet another measure to enrich the elite bastards at the expense of everyone else.

But of even more concern is the level of intelligence and integrity of the people you have elected to represent you.

I mean FFS - look at the state of these idiots and the nonsense they speak.

Tony

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Direct Government Investment and not just cap and trade
Posted by: cplot on Jun 25, 2009 5:16 AM   
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Cap and trade could work fine as a supplemental policy. However, we need much more substantial government involvement to address these problems. Solar, wind, run of the river hydroelectric, and pumped storage hydroelectric are all proven technologies. We can meet 100% of our energy needs through these proven technologies. And we can do it in 10 or 20 years, but only if the Federal Government gets directly involved in making it happen.

Cap and trade can then serve as a supplementary policy to help guide private investment and public consumption toward renewable energy sources. Cap and trade cannot be the core of the policy and successfully bring about renewables at the same time.

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Reuters: Opposition to "cap-and-trade" grows in U.S.
Posted by: sausage on Jun 25, 2009 6:26 AM   
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"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three-quarters of Americans believe the U.S. government should regulate the release of greenhouse gases from cars and factories to reduce global warming, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

"But fewer -- 52 percent -- support a cap-and-trade approach to limiting gas emissions similar to the one the U.S. House of Representatives will probably pass this week, according to the poll posted Thursday on the Post's website.

The poll shows opposition to cap-and-trade has grown from 42 percent in July last year. Support for climate legislation has slipped slightly among people asked whether they were willing to pay more for electricity to help reduce greenhouse gases.
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Reuters.com, June 25, 2009

Read it an weep, Americanicus Stupidius. You don't want to pay to save your own sorry ass.

True, cap and trade is an asinine idea. I mean, what the hell's this supposed to mean: "A cap and trade system is a market-based approach to controlling pollution that allows corporations or national governments to trade emissions allowances under an overall cap, or limit, on those emissions." (Definition courtesy Whatis.com)

But the bottom line is, Americanius Stupidius is so conditioned, after forty years of constant right wing propaganda, to be anti-tax and anti-"big" government that it will stumble itself into extinction. And be little mourned in passing.

And sorry to break it to you Barack Obama fans but in his short five months in office he has revealed himself to be a typical centrist Democrat, i.e. Rockefeller Republican, content to put Band-Aids on the nation's sucking financial, environmental and health care chest wounds. Expect no "real" change from President Oreo, though it could always get worse. (President Gingrich, anyone?)

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Fiddling while Rome burns
Posted by: Hans B on Jun 25, 2009 10:20 AM   
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I read today that the House bill contains a compromise designed to win over farm state votes: the EPA will be prevented, for six years, from taking into account land-use changes when determining how "clean" ethanol is. Translation: ethanol will be subsidized even if, as is the case already, its use leads to massive deforestation which throws huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

As for cap and trade, Europe tried it, it's a miserable failure, and it is clear now to every informed person that it amounts to pretending to do something about climate change without actually doing anything. If cap and trade has an effect, it is to favor big business (capable of submitting detailed if fudged CO2 reports) as opposed to small business (not so capable). The idea avanced in this otherwise excellent article, that an Indonesian farmer will get cap and trade money, is ridiculous. Even if he plants a million trees, said farmer could never get the paperwork done to qualify for carbon credits. That money is reserved for the big guys.

A bad bill, whose only merit will be that it kicks the can down the road. At least during Bush there was hope something would be done after the elections. Now I don't have that hope. Only calamity, economic or ecological, will now make us change our course. Reason and science are out.

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Why do the assholes always win?
Posted by: willymack on Jun 25, 2009 10:28 AM   
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The answer ain't blowin' in the wind, folks; it's right there in front of our noses.
The usual suspects are counting on our anysmal ignorance and indifference, as always:
While the city sleeps
Men are scheming
New ways to kill us
And tell us dirty lies.
We put our trust in people unworthy of it.
We fluster and fuss while doing NOTHING.
We ignore obvious signs of impending disaster, prefering not to think about it, and looking the other way,then.
We act surprised when we're screwed over yet again.
Nothing lasts forever, but do we REALLY want business as usual?

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Proof that CO2 Does Not Cause Global Warming
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 AM   
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I do realise that posting this here is equivalent to posting on the Catholic Church's website - that Jesus Christ never actually existed as a Real human being - and that the story of Christ is based on ancient mythology - replicated numerous times over several thousand years - with almost the exact same story...

But here it is - It's written by an Aussie Farmer so is obviously nonsense - I'll diss it before you Religious Global Warming Freaks do.

Proof that CO2 is not the Cause of the Current Global Warming

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY for the Scientifically Illiterate such as Al Gore

There is understandably, considerable uncertainty amongst the majority of the general
public about the veracity of the claims made by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC) that anthropogenic (man induced) emissions of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gasses, are the cause of the present warming
period being experienced by planet Earth.
There is no empirical evidence available to demonstrate or prove this relationship,
despite the expenditure of some $50 billion directed to this end.
The IPCC theory is in fact only supported by computer models that due to the
complexities and lack of detailed knowledge of many of the processes involved, are
little more than best guesses, designed to accommodate the anticipated outcomes.
They are not scientifically credible and are incapable of predicting future climate, yet
are assumed by many to be an accurate and trustworthy indication of future climatic
trends.

The purpose of this paper is to show, by a variety of methods, that CO2 is not and
cannot be the primary cause of the present warming as claimed.
The implications from politicians and others from ‘getting this wrong’, by accepting
this theory and its alarming consequences without checking the science, are
potentially devastating.
There is a scientific truism that says, “Correlation can not prove causation, but a
failure to correlate can prove non-causation”.
This paper cites a number of demonstrative examples that prove conclusively that the
theory of anthropogenic global warming is wrong.

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invisible wealth is easy to steal
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 25, 2009 11:27 AM   
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Cap n trade. Trade What? Invisible "rights" to pollute? Note the biggest thefts of the past two or three years have been invisible: securitized mortgages(not your actual mortgage, hedge funds(not ownership in a real company) futures(Oh come on, like anyone knows what a share is worth six or twelve months from now).

It's Medoff. It's Soros. It's everyone who made a billion. And who didn't make a billion and indeed lost most of their wealth? Real people with real stock that represents real ownership in a real company that makes real things or provides real services. Real is worthless, make believe intangibles are valuable. Who can follow this? Not the Feds?(Obama wants BERNANKE to regulate this crap? Does Obama think we ALL were raised in Chicago?).

So intangible emissions will be traded. Oh boy. That'll really cool off the planet. Unless the permits are cheap. Then we get more warming.

Personally I don't care. I think global warming is a scam to get earth scientists nice grants. The planet isn't affected by CO2. It's affected by solar radiation. (Only a billion years of evidence to show that. And you don't need more federal grants to show that.). So Obama and his buddies rip off the public again. What's new?

Or should I say what's old. Suggest this smooth operator from the South Side go to jail for the greatest Bank Heists in History, and you get slimed by the weepy Alternet liberals so upset that a big bad racist attacks the first "Black" President. As though his race is relevant to his morality. And as though he is really black. As black as Richard Nixon or Jack Kennedy. Hustlers both.


Obama's White Mama and family who put him thru all those white private schools would be ashamed. But as he proclaimed the other day, "I am the President". Well said, Dick, I mean Barack.

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Scientific Ignorance Hits New Peak
Posted by: D. Shenary on Jun 25, 2009 3:11 PM   
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It has been said that the greatest failure of our species is the failure to understand the exponential function. To the non mathematical amongst us that would be constant growth and over-population. To this specific failure, I would add global warming denial. It just may be that we are too ignorant a species to survive our own success. By success I mean our ability to extract energy from our environment in a never ending growth paradigm.

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SORRY TO SAY BUT GLOBAL WARMING REALLY, REALLY, IS REAL. WHAT DO
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 PM   
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we do about it? I suppose that the people that say "Do everything all at the same time." probably aren't wrong. There seems no one magic bullet. This may, in fact, be the ultimate truth. There may be no magic bullet. I began to worry about this decades ago and wrote asking Carl Albert, speaker of the house, to back off of fission reactors and put more effort into fusion. Fusion has yet to show a positive value. We have a burn coming at Lawrence Livermore Labs just after the first of the year that could be historic. But if it is historic, how many years away is a practical operating reactor? We don't actually have 20 years to wait.

Inexpensive, compact, lightweight, energy storage would solve a whole host of problems. It would mean that the energy from solar cells could be kept over night or that a becalmed windmill would not necessarily be a problem. I hear rumors that NEC has a new light weight organic battery that is going to solve problems in this area. Rumors don't store current.

Where should we put our efforts? I'm inclined to think our first three priorities should be storage, storage, and storage. Storage would make solar cells attractive. Storage would mean wind power would be more attractive. Storage, if light and compact, might well be the key to the electric auto. Storage at home might well be the end of the grid. Or storage at home could mean that the computerized sale of power back into the grid could be done at peak times for the maximum return. All of the intermittant forms of power generation could suddenly be utilized. Tidal motion is one intermittant source that comes to mind.

You will notice tht most of your small batteries, rechargables, say "nickel metal hydride". This is side step off of the nickel cadmium battery. Thomas Edison's patent has expired. That is how old it is. We need a break through. We keep hoping that, maybe, the nanotechnology guys will find us something.

We might have something if we hadn't had 30 years of republican idiots. If it couldn't be sold day after tomorrow they weren't interested. They won't be interested either when their Palm Beach home is flooded by ocean water from the ice cap melt. They will just buy another else where and deny global warming. Strangely farmers are among the first to deny global warming. They are going to be among the most seriously affected.

From what I'm reading here it is clear that lawmakers are going to have to visit and revisit their legislation. Remember California managed to get their first automobile pollution regulations on the books in 1968. That is over 40 years ago. Look at how far we have come on that issue. There no longer is anyone saying that we should go back.

Waxman knows that 40 years from today it will be the same story. Eventually we will get there. The Los Angeles basin has seen improvement in its smog. It may well be that Waxman's 4% is only symbolic. We need to remember how modest the original 1968 smog law was. It consisted of changing the spark advance on a conventional engine and piping crankcase gases to the intake to be burned. That is at least as modest as Waxman's 4%.

There are 105 million young people in this United States. The old men are dying off. They are the global warming deniers. Times are "a changing".

The Arabs are going to get to drink their oil. The Hybrid auto is a reality. The compressed natural gas Toyota Camry Hybrid prototype was an excellent idea. The power of the idea works this way. Natural gas produces around 80% as much power as gasoline. But the torque from the electric motor solves that problem,

If T. Boone Pickens gets his way 18 wheelers will be running on natural gas and an infrastructure for natural gas could be driven by the savings. I see UPS trucks running daily on CNG. Our diesel infrastructure was driven by trucks and not by cars.

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EU Dodges CO2 Issue and Doesn't Classify It as a Pollutant
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 26, 2009 1:45 AM   
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Meanwhile the largely European Controlling Component of the IPCC is suckering the US Government into enacting legislation which will classify CO2 as a pollutant and ultimately shutdown most electricity generation in America - or cause 40% of Energy to be wasted by ridiculous CO2 sequestration - whilst the real polluting shit sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and dust - continues unabated in America.

The WWF is up in arms - cos it wants to turn us back to the Stone Age, with a massive cull of the human race so that lions and tigers can reclaim the Earth from evil humans.


http://www.panda.org/wwf_news/ news/?168442/CO2-missing-from-new-EU-pollution-law

Brussels / Luxembourg – European environment ministers have sidestepped the key emissions reduction strategy of classifying carbon dioxide as a pollutant during consideration of new laws to limit industrial pollution. The move further questions Europe's claim to be a leader in climate action, with California requiring carbon pollution mitigation for the last two years and reclassification under consideration elsewhere.

The EU Environment Council reached a common position on the new Industrial Emissions Directive. The draft law overhauls the framework for controlling pollutants such as sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and dust from thousands of industrial installations across Europe, combining and strengthening seven earlier pieces of legislation.

Emission performance standards have been used successfully by European law-makers for more than two decades, leading to dramatic environmental improvements on issues like acid rain and smog.

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damned right!
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 29, 2009 6:50 AM   
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I've been saying this to folks... but they got all "Obama Blind"

just like healthcare 'reforms'...

MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TIME TO REVIEW OBAMA'S POLICIES BEFORE YOU GAVE HIM THE JOB??

I love how you HAD STRONG PLATFORMS, but everybody started chanting & rallying...

& nobody bothered to compare ACTUAL PLATFORMS... they just talked about 'women' & 'skintone' rather than SUBSTANTIVE POLICY CHANGE.
The time to interview for a job is BEFORE YOU SIGN THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, not after.
you blew it, America.

all you gave corporate America was a 'friendly face' to parade through African media while corporations compete with China & Russia for African resources.

how did America screw it up? lemme count the ways...

Perspective.

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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.

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Who Ultimately Ends Up Paying for those Pollution Permits?!
Posted by: cynyk on Jun 29, 2009 10:20 AM   
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As a former local official, I had some experience with the "cap & trade" concept. Some years back it was used in an attempt to reduce Volitile Organic Compounds emitted into the air by certain types of manufacturers. The problem was that local communities (i.e. the taxpayers) were extorted into buying and giving away these "air quality credits" as an economic incentive to attract new jobs. Even worse, the EPA allowed companies that went out of business to sell their permits at "market prices" far above their original cost. Thus no real air pollution reduction was actually achieved.

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Mass Idiocy Takes Over US Government - Including Obama
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 25, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Obama:

"The bill sets incentives to spur development of wind, solar and geothermal power, he said, while promoting conservation that will lead to savings for consumers. ... is paid for by the polluters who currently emit the dangerous carbon emissions that contaminate the water we drink and pollute the air ..."

CO2 is not a pollutant. If it was the US Government would have to ban beer and coca-cola. The fizzy stuff is just CO2 dissolved in water.

CO2 is not a pollutant in the atmosphere. It is essential for healthy plant growth. Increased levels of CO2 will promote much better plant growth and more food for the entire World.

Levels of CO2 have a completely negligible effect on the Earth's climate. Other factors are far more important. The Earth's Climate has always changes and always will.

The Planet has been cooling dramatically for the past 10 years - whilst levels of CO2 have continued to rise.

The IPCC is composed of corrupt liars who have a political agenda - not a scientific one.

CO2 is not a pollutant and is not a problem.

Cap & Trade bill won't do anything for the Climate. It won't reduce real pollution - like SO2 Sulphur Dioxide emissions from Power Stations.

The Idiot who sponsored this Bill doesn't know the first thing about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRcq0Lxffwc

The entire thing is the biggest scam of all time - yet another measure to enrich the elite bastards at the expense of everyone else.

But of even more concern is the level of intelligence and integrity of the people you have elected to represent you.

I mean FFS - look at the state of these idiots and the nonsense they speak.

Tony

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Direct Government Investment and not just cap and trade
Posted by: cplot on Jun 25, 2009 5:16 AM   
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Cap and trade could work fine as a supplemental policy. However, we need much more substantial government involvement to address these problems. Solar, wind, run of the river hydroelectric, and pumped storage hydroelectric are all proven technologies. We can meet 100% of our energy needs through these proven technologies. And we can do it in 10 or 20 years, but only if the Federal Government gets directly involved in making it happen.

Cap and trade can then serve as a supplementary policy to help guide private investment and public consumption toward renewable energy sources. Cap and trade cannot be the core of the policy and successfully bring about renewables at the same time.

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Reuters: Opposition to "cap-and-trade" grows in U.S.
Posted by: sausage on Jun 25, 2009 6:26 AM   
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"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three-quarters of Americans believe the U.S. government should regulate the release of greenhouse gases from cars and factories to reduce global warming, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

"But fewer -- 52 percent -- support a cap-and-trade approach to limiting gas emissions similar to the one the U.S. House of Representatives will probably pass this week, according to the poll posted Thursday on the Post's website.

The poll shows opposition to cap-and-trade has grown from 42 percent in July last year. Support for climate legislation has slipped slightly among people asked whether they were willing to pay more for electricity to help reduce greenhouse gases.
"
Reuters.com, June 25, 2009

Read it an weep, Americanicus Stupidius. You don't want to pay to save your own sorry ass.

True, cap and trade is an asinine idea. I mean, what the hell's this supposed to mean: "A cap and trade system is a market-based approach to controlling pollution that allows corporations or national governments to trade emissions allowances under an overall cap, or limit, on those emissions." (Definition courtesy Whatis.com)

But the bottom line is, Americanius Stupidius is so conditioned, after forty years of constant right wing propaganda, to be anti-tax and anti-"big" government that it will stumble itself into extinction. And be little mourned in passing.

And sorry to break it to you Barack Obama fans but in his short five months in office he has revealed himself to be a typical centrist Democrat, i.e. Rockefeller Republican, content to put Band-Aids on the nation's sucking financial, environmental and health care chest wounds. Expect no "real" change from President Oreo, though it could always get worse. (President Gingrich, anyone?)

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Fiddling while Rome burns
Posted by: Hans B on Jun 25, 2009 10:20 AM   
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I read today that the House bill contains a compromise designed to win over farm state votes: the EPA will be prevented, for six years, from taking into account land-use changes when determining how "clean" ethanol is. Translation: ethanol will be subsidized even if, as is the case already, its use leads to massive deforestation which throws huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

As for cap and trade, Europe tried it, it's a miserable failure, and it is clear now to every informed person that it amounts to pretending to do something about climate change without actually doing anything. If cap and trade has an effect, it is to favor big business (capable of submitting detailed if fudged CO2 reports) as opposed to small business (not so capable). The idea avanced in this otherwise excellent article, that an Indonesian farmer will get cap and trade money, is ridiculous. Even if he plants a million trees, said farmer could never get the paperwork done to qualify for carbon credits. That money is reserved for the big guys.

A bad bill, whose only merit will be that it kicks the can down the road. At least during Bush there was hope something would be done after the elections. Now I don't have that hope. Only calamity, economic or ecological, will now make us change our course. Reason and science are out.

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Why do the assholes always win?
Posted by: willymack on Jun 25, 2009 10:28 AM   
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The answer ain't blowin' in the wind, folks; it's right there in front of our noses.
The usual suspects are counting on our anysmal ignorance and indifference, as always:
While the city sleeps
Men are scheming
New ways to kill us
And tell us dirty lies.
We put our trust in people unworthy of it.
We fluster and fuss while doing NOTHING.
We ignore obvious signs of impending disaster, prefering not to think about it, and looking the other way,then.
We act surprised when we're screwed over yet again.
Nothing lasts forever, but do we REALLY want business as usual?

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Proof that CO2 Does Not Cause Global Warming
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 AM   
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I do realise that posting this here is equivalent to posting on the Catholic Church's website - that Jesus Christ never actually existed as a Real human being - and that the story of Christ is based on ancient mythology - replicated numerous times over several thousand years - with almost the exact same story...

But here it is - It's written by an Aussie Farmer so is obviously nonsense - I'll diss it before you Religious Global Warming Freaks do.

Proof that CO2 is not the Cause of the Current Global Warming

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY for the Scientifically Illiterate such as Al Gore

There is understandably, considerable uncertainty amongst the majority of the general
public about the veracity of the claims made by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC) that anthropogenic (man induced) emissions of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gasses, are the cause of the present warming
period being experienced by planet Earth.
There is no empirical evidence available to demonstrate or prove this relationship,
despite the expenditure of some $50 billion directed to this end.
The IPCC theory is in fact only supported by computer models that due to the
complexities and lack of detailed knowledge of many of the processes involved, are
little more than best guesses, designed to accommodate the anticipated outcomes.
They are not scientifically credible and are incapable of predicting future climate, yet
are assumed by many to be an accurate and trustworthy indication of future climatic
trends.

The purpose of this paper is to show, by a variety of methods, that CO2 is not and
cannot be the primary cause of the present warming as claimed.
The implications from politicians and others from ‘getting this wrong’, by accepting
this theory and its alarming consequences without checking the science, are
potentially devastating.
There is a scientific truism that says, “Correlation can not prove causation, but a
failure to correlate can prove non-causation”.
This paper cites a number of demonstrative examples that prove conclusively that the
theory of anthropogenic global warming is wrong.

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invisible wealth is easy to steal
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 25, 2009 11:27 AM   
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Cap n trade. Trade What? Invisible "rights" to pollute? Note the biggest thefts of the past two or three years have been invisible: securitized mortgages(not your actual mortgage, hedge funds(not ownership in a real company) futures(Oh come on, like anyone knows what a share is worth six or twelve months from now).

It's Medoff. It's Soros. It's everyone who made a billion. And who didn't make a billion and indeed lost most of their wealth? Real people with real stock that represents real ownership in a real company that makes real things or provides real services. Real is worthless, make believe intangibles are valuable. Who can follow this? Not the Feds?(Obama wants BERNANKE to regulate this crap? Does Obama think we ALL were raised in Chicago?).

So intangible emissions will be traded. Oh boy. That'll really cool off the planet. Unless the permits are cheap. Then we get more warming.

Personally I don't care. I think global warming is a scam to get earth scientists nice grants. The planet isn't affected by CO2. It's affected by solar radiation. (Only a billion years of evidence to show that. And you don't need more federal grants to show that.). So Obama and his buddies rip off the public again. What's new?

Or should I say what's old. Suggest this smooth operator from the South Side go to jail for the greatest Bank Heists in History, and you get slimed by the weepy Alternet liberals so upset that a big bad racist attacks the first "Black" President. As though his race is relevant to his morality. And as though he is really black. As black as Richard Nixon or Jack Kennedy. Hustlers both.


Obama's White Mama and family who put him thru all those white private schools would be ashamed. But as he proclaimed the other day, "I am the President". Well said, Dick, I mean Barack.

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Scientific Ignorance Hits New Peak
Posted by: D. Shenary on Jun 25, 2009 3:11 PM   
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It has been said that the greatest failure of our species is the failure to understand the exponential function. To the non mathematical amongst us that would be constant growth and over-population. To this specific failure, I would add global warming denial. It just may be that we are too ignorant a species to survive our own success. By success I mean our ability to extract energy from our environment in a never ending growth paradigm.

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SORRY TO SAY BUT GLOBAL WARMING REALLY, REALLY, IS REAL. WHAT DO
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 PM   
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we do about it? I suppose that the people that say "Do everything all at the same time." probably aren't wrong. There seems no one magic bullet. This may, in fact, be the ultimate truth. There may be no magic bullet. I began to worry about this decades ago and wrote asking Carl Albert, speaker of the house, to back off of fission reactors and put more effort into fusion. Fusion has yet to show a positive value. We have a burn coming at Lawrence Livermore Labs just after the first of the year that could be historic. But if it is historic, how many years away is a practical operating reactor? We don't actually have 20 years to wait.

Inexpensive, compact, lightweight, energy storage would solve a whole host of problems. It would mean that the energy from solar cells could be kept over night or that a becalmed windmill would not necessarily be a problem. I hear rumors that NEC has a new light weight organic battery that is going to solve problems in this area. Rumors don't store current.

Where should we put our efforts? I'm inclined to think our first three priorities should be storage, storage, and storage. Storage would make solar cells attractive. Storage would mean wind power would be more attractive. Storage, if light and compact, might well be the key to the electric auto. Storage at home might well be the end of the grid. Or storage at home could mean that the computerized sale of power back into the grid could be done at peak times for the maximum return. All of the intermittant forms of power generation could suddenly be utilized. Tidal motion is one intermittant source that comes to mind.

You will notice tht most of your small batteries, rechargables, say "nickel metal hydride". This is side step off of the nickel cadmium battery. Thomas Edison's patent has expired. That is how old it is. We need a break through. We keep hoping that, maybe, the nanotechnology guys will find us something.

We might have something if we hadn't had 30 years of republican idiots. If it couldn't be sold day after tomorrow they weren't interested. They won't be interested either when their Palm Beach home is flooded by ocean water from the ice cap melt. They will just buy another else where and deny global warming. Strangely farmers are among the first to deny global warming. They are going to be among the most seriously affected.

From what I'm reading here it is clear that lawmakers are going to have to visit and revisit their legislation. Remember California managed to get their first automobile pollution regulations on the books in 1968. That is over 40 years ago. Look at how far we have come on that issue. There no longer is anyone saying that we should go back.

Waxman knows that 40 years from today it will be the same story. Eventually we will get there. The Los Angeles basin has seen improvement in its smog. It may well be that Waxman's 4% is only symbolic. We need to remember how modest the original 1968 smog law was. It consisted of changing the spark advance on a conventional engine and piping crankcase gases to the intake to be burned. That is at least as modest as Waxman's 4%.

There are 105 million young people in this United States. The old men are dying off. They are the global warming deniers. Times are "a changing".

The Arabs are going to get to drink their oil. The Hybrid auto is a reality. The compressed natural gas Toyota Camry Hybrid prototype was an excellent idea. The power of the idea works this way. Natural gas produces around 80% as much power as gasoline. But the torque from the electric motor solves that problem,

If T. Boone Pickens gets his way 18 wheelers will be running on natural gas and an infrastructure for natural gas could be driven by the savings. I see UPS trucks running daily on CNG. Our diesel infrastructure was driven by trucks and not by cars.

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EU Dodges CO2 Issue and Doesn't Classify It as a Pollutant
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 26, 2009 1:45 AM   
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Meanwhile the largely European Controlling Component of the IPCC is suckering the US Government into enacting legislation which will classify CO2 as a pollutant and ultimately shutdown most electricity generation in America - or cause 40% of Energy to be wasted by ridiculous CO2 sequestration - whilst the real polluting shit sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and dust - continues unabated in America.

The WWF is up in arms - cos it wants to turn us back to the Stone Age, with a massive cull of the human race so that lions and tigers can reclaim the Earth from evil humans.


http://www.panda.org/wwf_news/ news/?168442/CO2-missing-from-new-EU-pollution-law

Brussels / Luxembourg – European environment ministers have sidestepped the key emissions reduction strategy of classifying carbon dioxide as a pollutant during consideration of new laws to limit industrial pollution. The move further questions Europe's claim to be a leader in climate action, with California requiring carbon pollution mitigation for the last two years and reclassification under consideration elsewhere.

The EU Environment Council reached a common position on the new Industrial Emissions Directive. The draft law overhauls the framework for controlling pollutants such as sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and dust from thousands of industrial installations across Europe, combining and strengthening seven earlier pieces of legislation.

Emission performance standards have been used successfully by European law-makers for more than two decades, leading to dramatic environmental improvements on issues like acid rain and smog.

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damned right!
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 29, 2009 6:50 AM   
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I've been saying this to folks... but they got all "Obama Blind"

just like healthcare 'reforms'...

MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TIME TO REVIEW OBAMA'S POLICIES BEFORE YOU GAVE HIM THE JOB??

I love how you HAD STRONG PLATFORMS, but everybody started chanting & rallying...

& nobody bothered to compare ACTUAL PLATFORMS... they just talked about 'women' & 'skintone' rather than SUBSTANTIVE POLICY CHANGE.
The time to interview for a job is BEFORE YOU SIGN THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, not after.
you blew it, America.

all you gave corporate America was a 'friendly face' to parade through African media while corporations compete with China & Russia for African resources.

how did America screw it up? lemme count the ways...

Perspective.

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Who Ultimately Ends Up Paying for those Pollution Permits?!
Posted by: cynyk on Jun 29, 2009 10:20 AM   
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As a former local official, I had some experience with the "cap & trade" concept. Some years back it was used in an attempt to reduce Volitile Organic Compounds emitted into the air by certain types of manufacturers. The problem was that local communities (i.e. the taxpayers) were extorted into buying and giving away these "air quality credits" as an economic incentive to attract new jobs. Even worse, the EPA allowed companies that went out of business to sell their permits at "market prices" far above their original cost. Thus no real air pollution reduction was actually achieved.

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