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The Case of the Missing H-Bomb: The Pentagon Has Lost the Mother of All Weapons
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The cover-up continues. The Air Force, however, has told local residents and the congressional delegation that there was nothing to worry about.
"We've looked into this particular issue from all angles and we're very comfortable," said Major Gen. Franklin J. "Judd" Blaisdell, deputy chief of staff for air and space operations at Air Force headquarters in Washington. "Our biggest concern is that of localized heavy metal contamination."
The Air Force even has suggested that the bomb itself was not armed with a plutonium trigger. But this contention is disputed by a number of factors. Howard Dixon, a former Air Force sergeant who specialized in loading nuclear weapons onto planes, said that in his 31 years of experience he never once remembered a bomb being put on a plane that wasn't fully armed. Moreover, a newly declassified 1966 congressional testimony of W.J. Howard, then assistant secretary of defense, describes the Tybee Island bomb as a "complete weapon, a bomb with a nuclear capsule." Howard said that the Tybee Island bomb was one of two weapons lost up to that time that contained a plutonium trigger.
Recently declassified documents show that the jettisoned bomb was an "Mk-15, Mod O" hydrogen bomb, weighing four tons and packing more than 100 times the explosive punch of the one that incinerated Hiroshima. This was the first thermonuclear weapon deployed by the Air Force and featured the relatively primitive design created by that evil genius Edward Teller. The only fail-safe for this weapon was the physical separation of the plutonium capsule (or pit) from the weapon.
In addition to the primary nuclear capsule, the bomb also harbored a secondary nuclear explosive, or sparkplug, designed to make it go thermo. This is a hollow plug about an inch in diameter made of either plutonium or highly enriched uranium (the Pentagon has never said which) that is filled with fusion fuel, most likely lithium-6 deuteride. Lithium is highly reactive in water. The plutonium in the bomb was manufactured at the Hanford Nuclear Site in Washington State and would be the oldest in the United States. That's bad news: Plutonium gets more dangerous as it ages. In addition, the bomb would contain other radioactive materials, such as uranium and beryllium.
The bomb is also charged with 400 pounds of TNT, designed to cause the plutonium trigger to implode and thus start the nuclear explosion. As the years go by, those high explosives are becoming flaky, brittle and sensitive. The bomb is most likely now buried in 5 to 15 feet of sand and slowly leaking radioactivity into the rich crabbing grounds of the Warsaw Sound. If the Pentagon can't find the Tybee Island bomb, others might. That's the conclusion of Bert Soleau, a former CIA officer who now works with ASSURE, the salvage company. Soleau, a chemical engineer, said that it wouldn't be hard for terrorists to locate the weapon and recover the lithium, beryllium and enriched uranium, "the essential building blocks of nuclear weapons." What to do? Coastal residents want the weapon located and removed. "Plutonium is a nightmare and their own people know it," said Pam O'Brien, an anti-nuke organizer from Douglassville, Georgia. "It can get in everything--your eyes, your bones, your gonads. You never get over it. They need to get that thing out of there."
The situation is reminiscent of the Palomares incident. On January 16, 1966, a B-52 bomber, carrying four hydrogen bombs, crashed while attempting to refuel in mid-air above the Spanish coast. Three of the H-bombs landed near the coastal farming village of Palomares. One of the bombs landed in a dry creek bed and was recovered, battered but relatively intact. But the TNT in two of the bombs exploded, gouging 10-foot holes in the ground and showering uranium and plutonium over a vast area. Over the next three months, more than 1,400 tons of radioactive soil and vegetation was scooped up, placed in barrels and, ironically enough, shipped back to the Savannah River Nuclear Weapons Lab, where it remains. The tomato fields near the craters were burned and buried. But there's no question that due to strong winds and other factors much of the contaminated soil was simply left in the area. "The total extent of the spread will never be known," concluded a 1975 report by the Defense Nuclear Agency.
The cleanup was a joint operation between Air Force personnel and members of the Spanish civil guard. The U.S. workers wore protective clothing and were monitored for radiation exposure, but similar precautions weren't taken for their Spanish counterparts. "The Air Force was unprepared to provide adequate detection and monitoring for personnel when an aircraft accident occurred involving plutonium weapons in a remote area of a foreign country," the Air Force commander in charge of the cleanup later testified to Congress.
Jeffrey St. Clair is the author of Been Brown So Long It Looked Like Green to Me: the Politics of Nature and Grand Theft Pentagon. His newest book, Born Under a Bad Sky, is just out from AK Press / CounterPunch books. He can be reached at: sitka@comcast.net.
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Posted by: sicntired on May 16, 2009 1:34 AM
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» Hmmm, reminds me of those 5 missing nukes, Chertoffs warning of 5 US cities to be bombed....
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» RE: Movie exposes the true number of lost nukes
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» Is this really "need to know" for the majority of the public?
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Posted by: folkie on May 16, 2009 2:01 AM
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Don't confuse what they've lost with what they're spending. When the Pentagon says it has lost $2.3 trillion, that means money that wasn't accounted for in any way, shape, or form. It means that their budget is so huge that $2.3 trillion is petty cash that they can easily overlook.
Gee, there's no money for a national health care plan. There's no money for Social Security or Medicare. Not a paltry dime to spend ensuring that the torture stops. But a few trillion for yacht parties and bonuses for billionaire crooks? Sure any time! Another few trillion to expand the defense budget? Why not?
And if that bomb explodes? So we'll have another Chernobyl only worse and right here at home. Expect the government to be just as helpful as it was in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina--they'll rush in some private mercenaries to shoot anyone who tries to leave the area.
But don't you dare try to take your baby's bottle on the airplane, you friggin' terrorist--Homeland Security knows what to do with the likes of you! Why are you feeding a baby in the first place--you some kind of liberal pinko Commie who cares about kids? Family values means killing kids, bombing kids, nuking kids--that's how you make money. You must be some kinda stinking foreigner--no patriotic American cares about kids. Why do you think we can spend trillions on nukes but can't afford health care, because we care about kids?
Hey, be patient. Obama's gonna find that bomb just as soon as he finishes hiding the torture photos from Congress. Trust him! Maybe he didn't save the polar bears, but he never shot a wolf in his life. And anyway, the H-bombs we've lost are smaller than the ones we have now--they're obviously the lesser evil so you HAVE to support them. They might not be what you want, but they're all you're going to get.
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Posted by: harryf200 on May 16, 2009 3:18 AM
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Posted by: ellie on May 16, 2009 5:05 AM
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a 5 year old takes better care of their toys... that's it, no more toys till you guys find the stuff you lost... period...
back to coffee...
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» RE: lost stuff...
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Posted by: T.Rex on May 16, 2009 6:45 AM
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» RE: Actually, this was 51 years ago.
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» RE: Actually, this was 51 years ago.
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» RE: Actually, this was 51 years ago.
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» RE: Actually, this was 51 years ago.
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» EXACTLY! If the journalist and editor can't be bothered to check the facts ...
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» RE: XACTLY! If the journalist and editor can't be bothered to check the facts ...
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» RE: Actually, this was 51 years ago.
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» Yeah, the real issue is "ANOTHER MISSING NUKE?" Like the last time it was accompanied...
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» RE: Actually, this was 51 years ago.
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» Editor or author in error, it makes no difference ... if a simple
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» The whole country has lousy news coverage
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» article: "...for the past 40 years." "On the night of February 5, 1958 ..."
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» H bomb was first tested in 1952-check YOUR facts!
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Posted by: fearn on May 16, 2009 7:59 AM
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Funny thing about Americans, they don't ask 'Why?' in a meaningful way. Why did I get cancer, 'oh I don't know I just want to get rid of it'. Why does America spend more on the military that the rest of the world put together? 'Oh, that's just the way it is'!!
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» RE: And don't forget the 'bomb' America has lost in Iraq and elsewhere
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» RE: And don't forget the 'bomb' America has lost in Iraq and elsewhere
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» Yeah, and what about Bosnia whose soil and water and now food...
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» And let us also not forget it isn't America that lost a bomb but the USA!
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» And while we're at it, let's also not for get that ....
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» DOn't forget, but the franzy is justified....
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» I agree, we are suppose to be the beacon of light and leadership...
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» But ....
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» I know, I agree with you, but alas, its the way it was.....
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» HUH? "it isn't America that lost a bomb but the USA!"
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on May 16, 2009 8:24 AM
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Obviously, I need to not worry so dang much.
Maybe they should put me in charge of the freaking pentagon, anal-retentive organizational freak that I am!
We'll come up with a plan to put our nukes somewhere we KNOW we can find later. Like inside our purse that ALWAYS goes on the same shelf in the kitchen.
Granny's crazy videos Go get a chuckle!
Luv,
granny
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Posted by: weathered on May 16, 2009 8:35 AM
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May she wash the feet of those dying/injured and brutalized - here and there.
..and to the NYTimes, all the Lies fit to print. A paper that took a piss all over integrity and a allegiance of trust.
'by deceit we wage war' that's a chip off a toxic block that translates well in all MSM/PBS/NPR and the mother of all deceit:hollywood.
Examine screenplays and content, its diabolic.
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Posted by: Bloomshine on May 16, 2009 8:43 AM
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Do they just have jets flying around near constantly in case someone starts a nuclear war all of a sudden?
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» Great question. When a solution is a bigger threat than the problem...
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» In answer to your question "Do they just have jets flying around near constantly in case someone..."
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» RE: "Yes, they do" which begs another question ....
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» Go Rent the Movie, "Dr. Strangelove, or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
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Posted by: frank69 on May 16, 2009 8:47 AM
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» RE: Missing A-Bomb
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Posted by: JSquercia on May 16, 2009 9:08 AM
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I whole heartedly agree with the posters who claim that this shows why we need to take an Axe to the Pentagon Budget . People who have no problem investing in Billion dollar aircraft that NO ONE wants
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Posted by: kogwonton on May 16, 2009 9:29 AM
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» The Number of nukes that went missing that you are referring to was 5.
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Posted by: nobuko on May 16, 2009 9:55 AM
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Cheney keeps talking, BE AFRAID, BE AFRAID, this bastard is going to cause another 9/11 if Obama gets in his way in Iraq and Afganistan!
These evil doer's are as serious as cheneys pace maker, they WANT TO CONTROL IT ALL, and will DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY, to CONTROL IT!
Have you wondered, how much is ENOUGH for these greedy bastards?
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» Your Lord Acton quote is a corruption of what he actually said!
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Posted by: Tony44 on May 16, 2009 10:02 AM
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Sorry - this one was recovered by the Navy, photos were publicly released of it on the deck of the salvage tug.
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» The bomb, pictured in your link, was recovered off of Palomares, Spain?
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Posted by: CanuckKid on May 16, 2009 11:43 AM
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How the heck do you misplace a naval vessel? Surely the crew must know where it is - or are you telling me that the entire crew left the ship and couldn't find their way back to it again?
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» Bermuda Triangle...?!
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» Bermuda triangle? But seriously....
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Posted by: Pirate1 on May 16, 2009 1:05 PM
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» Gee...
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» RE: Bombs away
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» Oh, and what's this "we" shit, Pilgrim???
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Posted by: aroleflin on May 16, 2009 6:09 PM
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Dec. 16, 1998, Web Poste at 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT) Washington (CNN) From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq: The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world. "Sadam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or bilogical weapons, " Clinton said.
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» I'm no fan of WJC, but...
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» No, it's not AlterNet's fault, at all.
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Posted by: Swatopluk on May 17, 2009 9:39 AM
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And why should a terorist be interested in the lithium (or the deuterium) anyway? Heavy water or other deuterated compounds can be bought freely (although it is not cheap) and even the separation of 6Li and 7Li is not that difficult (compared to uranium enrichment).
Anyone wealthy enough to finance an expedition to salvage the bomb undetected could afford the fabrication of 6LiD. The problem for an H-bomb builder is the procurement of the fission bomb to ignite the fusion reaction (=plutonium or highly enriched uranium) and to get the design right the first time.
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» Question?
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» ...and another.
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» RE: ...and another.
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Posted by: context on May 17, 2009 11:04 AM
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» Yeah, lets hope its in the right direction,,,, for us.... not against us.
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Posted by: MyLeftFoot on May 18, 2009 5:53 AM
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Posted by: CJC on May 18, 2009 8:45 AM
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The DoD, keeping us safe 24,7.
Thanks for posting this.
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Posted by: james2macd on May 18, 2009 9:13 AM
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» RE: Dont worry about this bomb.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on May 18, 2009 2:46 PM
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Posted by: theone23ord on May 18, 2009 8:33 PM
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Please read and listen...
iamthewitness.com
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Posted by: gwbushmalecheerleader on May 18, 2009 10:57 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on May 19, 2009 7:05 AM
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Purists are what the government can afford to hire.
You people who see holes in the author's information collection, thank you for your contributions. Since you're interested, would you please consider working with the author (who is not me!) on the book? Oh, and volunteers, try not to be smug about your discoveries.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 19, 2009 7:18 AM
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2. The U.S.S. Thresher is on the bottom of the Atlantic near rich fishing grounds. What happens to a nuclear reactor in salt water and under heavy pressure?
3. All of Golden, Colorado is aglow because the local plutonium reprocessing plant spewed all sorts of stuff over the years. Oh, and what melts in the ground, not in your mouth? Hershey, Pennsylvania.
4. Does your local college have a nuclear reactor? By definition, every nuclear reactor contains enough uranium to create a nuclear poof. That's where, if you take all the uranium out and put the rods in a big spherical pile without any control rods, the whole thing soon hits 5000 degrees and turns into single atom radioactive dust particles (and you turn into a radioactive firemonster, er, let me do some factchecking on that).
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» Sources please....
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» RE: And what else - you forgot 5. Hanford Nuclear Reservation
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» Hanford, worst location for a nuke facility EVER
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 19, 2009 7:41 AM
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in case they're ever in deep shit with Americans.
they can always 'go rogue' & protect themselves as they make a run for it.
"warcrimes? what warcrimes? ...don't make us release those real & forged documents in Court or Press!... oh! you ARE going to bother being traiterous Americans & holding us accountable for 60 years of corporate-supporting warcrimes? ... just a minute, lemme show you our own Weapon Of Mass Destruction... don't make us roll out a 'terrorist attack' by some brown people... that could get sticky... "
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» I think they'd nuke us then blame it on Osama.
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» you're supposing they haven't
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» You have to give Cheney credit, he tried big time back in Sept 2007....
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Posted by: Old Cowboy on May 19, 2009 7:51 AM
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Come on, get current.
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» Sourpuss.
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» It may not be current, but...
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» RE: 40, 60, how many years
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Posted by: willymack on May 19, 2009 9:37 AM
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Posted by: DrAtomic on May 19, 2009 11:19 AM
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It's true that this offer renewed interest in the bomb and led Rep. Kingston to request a new analysis from the Air Force of the feasibility of retrieving the bomb. But the basic facts were disclosed by the DOD in an unclassified 1981 chronology and subsequent research by various scholars added more details. There was also a very good 1998 documentary, "Lost Bombs," that aired on the History Channel. It featured an interview with pilot Howard Richardson and also reconstructed the accident.
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Posted by: dsmidiman on May 19, 2009 11:28 AM
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Posted by: praedor on May 19, 2009 1:38 PM
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In any case, it should now be fairly easy to find. A modern magnetic anomaly detector would likely pick it up with ease.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on May 20, 2009 6:00 PM
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Why should a few bombs surprise us they have done everything they could to get rid of all of us including flying in the wrong direction on 9-11.
Keep buying ammo.
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» AMEN!!!! Well said..... speaking truth to power..... you go...
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Posted by: sicntired on May 16, 2009 1:34 AM
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» Hmmm, reminds me of those 5 missing nukes, Chertoffs warning of 5 US cities to be bombed....
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» Is this really "need to know" for the majority of the public?
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Posted by: folkie on May 16, 2009 2:01 AM
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Don't confuse what they've lost with what they're spending. When the Pentagon says it has lost $2.3 trillion, that means money that wasn't accounted for in any way, shape, or form. It means that their budget is so huge that $2.3 trillion is petty cash that they can easily overlook.
Gee, there's no money for a national health care plan. There's no money for Social Security or Medicare. Not a paltry dime to spend ensuring that the torture stops. But a few trillion for yacht parties and bonuses for billionaire crooks? Sure any time! Another few trillion to expand the defense budget? Why not?
And if that bomb explodes? So we'll have another Chernobyl only worse and right here at home. Expect the government to be just as helpful as it was in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina--they'll rush in some private mercenaries to shoot anyone who tries to leave the area.
But don't you dare try to take your baby's bottle on the airplane, you friggin' terrorist--Homeland Security knows what to do with the likes of you! Why are you feeding a baby in the first place--you some kind of liberal pinko Commie who cares about kids? Family values means killing kids, bombing kids, nuking kids--that's how you make money. You must be some kinda stinking foreigner--no patriotic American cares about kids. Why do you think we can spend trillions on nukes but can't afford health care, because we care about kids?
Hey, be patient. Obama's gonna find that bomb just as soon as he finishes hiding the torture photos from Congress. Trust him! Maybe he didn't save the polar bears, but he never shot a wolf in his life. And anyway, the H-bombs we've lost are smaller than the ones we have now--they're obviously the lesser evil so you HAVE to support them. They might not be what you want, but they're all you're going to get.
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Posted by: harryf200 on May 16, 2009 3:18 AM
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Posted by: ellie on May 16, 2009 5:05 AM
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a 5 year old takes better care of their toys... that's it, no more toys till you guys find the stuff you lost... period...
back to coffee...
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Posted by: T.Rex on May 16, 2009 6:45 AM
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» RE: Actually, this was 51 years ago.
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» Yeah, the real issue is "ANOTHER MISSING NUKE?" Like the last time it was accompanied...
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» article: "...for the past 40 years." "On the night of February 5, 1958 ..."
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» H bomb was first tested in 1952-check YOUR facts!
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Posted by: fearn on May 16, 2009 7:59 AM
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Funny thing about Americans, they don't ask 'Why?' in a meaningful way. Why did I get cancer, 'oh I don't know I just want to get rid of it'. Why does America spend more on the military that the rest of the world put together? 'Oh, that's just the way it is'!!
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» RE: And don't forget the 'bomb' America has lost in Iraq and elsewhere
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» Yeah, and what about Bosnia whose soil and water and now food...
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» And let us also not forget it isn't America that lost a bomb but the USA!
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» DOn't forget, but the franzy is justified....
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» I agree, we are suppose to be the beacon of light and leadership...
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» I know, I agree with you, but alas, its the way it was.....
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» HUH? "it isn't America that lost a bomb but the USA!"
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on May 16, 2009 8:24 AM
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Obviously, I need to not worry so dang much.
Maybe they should put me in charge of the freaking pentagon, anal-retentive organizational freak that I am!
We'll come up with a plan to put our nukes somewhere we KNOW we can find later. Like inside our purse that ALWAYS goes on the same shelf in the kitchen.
Granny's crazy videos Go get a chuckle!
Luv,
granny
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Posted by: weathered on May 16, 2009 8:35 AM
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May she wash the feet of those dying/injured and brutalized - here and there.
..and to the NYTimes, all the Lies fit to print. A paper that took a piss all over integrity and a allegiance of trust.
'by deceit we wage war' that's a chip off a toxic block that translates well in all MSM/PBS/NPR and the mother of all deceit:hollywood.
Examine screenplays and content, its diabolic.
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Posted by: Bloomshine on May 16, 2009 8:43 AM
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Do they just have jets flying around near constantly in case someone starts a nuclear war all of a sudden?
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» Go Rent the Movie, "Dr. Strangelove, or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
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Posted by: frank69 on May 16, 2009 8:47 AM
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Posted by: JSquercia on May 16, 2009 9:08 AM
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I whole heartedly agree with the posters who claim that this shows why we need to take an Axe to the Pentagon Budget . People who have no problem investing in Billion dollar aircraft that NO ONE wants
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Posted by: kogwonton on May 16, 2009 9:29 AM
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» The Number of nukes that went missing that you are referring to was 5.
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Posted by: nobuko on May 16, 2009 9:55 AM
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Cheney keeps talking, BE AFRAID, BE AFRAID, this bastard is going to cause another 9/11 if Obama gets in his way in Iraq and Afganistan!
These evil doer's are as serious as cheneys pace maker, they WANT TO CONTROL IT ALL, and will DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY, to CONTROL IT!
Have you wondered, how much is ENOUGH for these greedy bastards?
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Posted by: Tony44 on May 16, 2009 10:02 AM
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Sorry - this one was recovered by the Navy, photos were publicly released of it on the deck of the salvage tug.
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» The bomb, pictured in your link, was recovered off of Palomares, Spain?
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Posted by: CanuckKid on May 16, 2009 11:43 AM
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How the heck do you misplace a naval vessel? Surely the crew must know where it is - or are you telling me that the entire crew left the ship and couldn't find their way back to it again?
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» Bermuda Triangle...?!
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» Bermuda triangle? But seriously....
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Posted by: Pirate1 on May 16, 2009 1:05 PM
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» Gee...
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Posted by: Archie1954 on May 16, 2009 4:31 PM
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Posted by: aroleflin on May 16, 2009 6:02 PM
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» Oh, and what's this "we" shit, Pilgrim???
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Posted by: aroleflin on May 16, 2009 6:09 PM
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Dec. 16, 1998, Web Poste at 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT) Washington (CNN) From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq: The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world. "Sadam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or bilogical weapons, " Clinton said.
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Posted by: Swatopluk on May 17, 2009 9:39 AM
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And why should a terorist be interested in the lithium (or the deuterium) anyway? Heavy water or other deuterated compounds can be bought freely (although it is not cheap) and even the separation of 6Li and 7Li is not that difficult (compared to uranium enrichment).
Anyone wealthy enough to finance an expedition to salvage the bomb undetected could afford the fabrication of 6LiD. The problem for an H-bomb builder is the procurement of the fission bomb to ignite the fusion reaction (=plutonium or highly enriched uranium) and to get the design right the first time.
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» ...and another.
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Posted by: context on May 17, 2009 11:04 AM
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» Yeah, lets hope its in the right direction,,,, for us.... not against us.
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Posted by: MyLeftFoot on May 18, 2009 5:53 AM
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Posted by: CJC on May 18, 2009 8:45 AM
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The DoD, keeping us safe 24,7.
Thanks for posting this.
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Posted by: james2macd on May 18, 2009 9:13 AM
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» RE: Dont worry about this bomb.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on May 18, 2009 2:46 PM
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Posted by: theone23ord on May 18, 2009 8:33 PM
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Please read and listen...
iamthewitness.com
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Posted by: gwbushmalecheerleader on May 18, 2009 10:57 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on May 19, 2009 7:05 AM
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Purists are what the government can afford to hire.
You people who see holes in the author's information collection, thank you for your contributions. Since you're interested, would you please consider working with the author (who is not me!) on the book? Oh, and volunteers, try not to be smug about your discoveries.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 19, 2009 7:18 AM
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2. The U.S.S. Thresher is on the bottom of the Atlantic near rich fishing grounds. What happens to a nuclear reactor in salt water and under heavy pressure?
3. All of Golden, Colorado is aglow because the local plutonium reprocessing plant spewed all sorts of stuff over the years. Oh, and what melts in the ground, not in your mouth? Hershey, Pennsylvania.
4. Does your local college have a nuclear reactor? By definition, every nuclear reactor contains enough uranium to create a nuclear poof. That's where, if you take all the uranium out and put the rods in a big spherical pile without any control rods, the whole thing soon hits 5000 degrees and turns into single atom radioactive dust particles (and you turn into a radioactive firemonster, er, let me do some factchecking on that).
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 19, 2009 7:41 AM
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in case they're ever in deep shit with Americans.
they can always 'go rogue' & protect themselves as they make a run for it.
"warcrimes? what warcrimes? ...don't make us release those real & forged documents in Court or Press!... oh! you ARE going to bother being traiterous Americans & holding us accountable for 60 years of corporate-supporting warcrimes? ... just a minute, lemme show you our own Weapon Of Mass Destruction... don't make us roll out a 'terrorist attack' by some brown people... that could get sticky... "
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Posted by: Old Cowboy on May 19, 2009 7:51 AM
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Come on, get current.
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Posted by: BPomeroy on May 19, 2009 8:31 AM
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» It may not be current, but...
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Posted by: willymack on May 19, 2009 9:37 AM
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Posted by: DrAtomic on May 19, 2009 11:19 AM
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It's true that this offer renewed interest in the bomb and led Rep. Kingston to request a new analysis from the Air Force of the feasibility of retrieving the bomb. But the basic facts were disclosed by the DOD in an unclassified 1981 chronology and subsequent research by various scholars added more details. There was also a very good 1998 documentary, "Lost Bombs," that aired on the History Channel. It featured an interview with pilot Howard Richardson and also reconstructed the accident.
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Posted by: dsmidiman on May 19, 2009 11:28 AM
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Posted by: praedor on May 19, 2009 1:38 PM
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In any case, it should now be fairly easy to find. A modern magnetic anomaly detector would likely pick it up with ease.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on May 20, 2009 6:00 PM
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Why should a few bombs surprise us they have done everything they could to get rid of all of us including flying in the wrong direction on 9-11.
Keep buying ammo.
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» AMEN!!!! Well said..... speaking truth to power..... you go...
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