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How Did $50B Worth of High-Risk, Job-Killing Nuclear Loans Get into the Stimulus?

The same budget gimmicks that got us into the credit mess are creeping into the stimulus.
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I have previously discussed the non-job-creating $50 billion in nuclear loan guarantees the Senate put into the stimulus (see "Can Obama stop the nuclear bomb in the Senate stimulus plan?" For the record it was Sen. Robert Bennett (R-UT), which I point out merely because R-UT perfectly describes thinking behind this farce.

Not only won't these loans generate any jobs in Obama's first term, but as Peter Bradford, former member of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, explained to me, it could actually kill jobs. How?

The capital markets are not swimming in credit. If you have billions in taxpayer backed loans for your project, even for a project that will take years to finalize and see actual jobs, you may well suck up money that might be otherwise be available for, say, wind projects that are shovel ready now. Bradford called the nuke loans "straw ready."

Worse, utilities that actually use these loans to build a nuclear plant would face an all but certain drop in their credit rating — see "Warning to taxpayers, investors — Part 2: Nukes may become troubled assets, ruin credit ratings." That means we are setting ourselves up to take over more trouble assets, since the Congressional Budget Office estimates the likely default rate of these loans at over 50 percent. If you liked nationalizing banks and insurance companies, you'll love nationalizing nuclear utilities!

But here is where it gets particularly farcical: The loans only got snuck into the bill by budget gimmickry that replicates the high-leverage, fraudulent risk analysis that got us into the subprime mortgage and credit default swap mess. Some leading nuclear energy experts explained this to me Tuesday, and I will do my best to explain it to you.

[I must warn you again that continuing to read this post puts you at great risk of uncontrolled cranial expansion.]

The Washington Post explained (not quite completely) last week:

Bennett's amendment took $500 million away from $10 billion initially allotted to a new loan guarantee program for renewable energy and electric transmission projects and moved it to an existing loan guarantee program established under the Energy Policy Act of 2005. The existing program covers a much wider variety of energy projects, including "advanced nuclear" power plants, plants that "gasify" coal or turn it into liquid form, and plants that capture and bury carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas produced by coal power plants.

Moving the money allows the government to stretch its loan guarantees further. Because of different accounting methods used in the two programs, a $500 million appropriation would permit approximately $5 billion in loan guarantees under the renewable program but $50 billion under the broader, existing program.

Yes, the $500 million switch cost the nation $5 billion in renewable and transmission loans but somehow gained $50 billion in nuclear loans. Does this mean nuclear power plants are 10 times less risky? Does this mean that nuclear power plants have a 1 percent default rate?

No.

The Congressional Budget Office itself explained in a 2003 report:

CBO considers the risk of default on such a loan guarantee to be very high–well above 50 percent. The key factor accounting for this risk is that we expect that the plant would be uneconomic to operate because of its high construction costs, relative to other electricity generation sources.

Ouch!

But wait. The CBO does believe that there is some recoverable value in a defaulted plant. Don't ask my why, since I have no idea how they get value from some uneconomic, half-built plant that is probably the subject of major lawsuits (see "Nuclear meltdown in Finland"). I'm just a physicist, after all, and they are economists:


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Way to distort the issue
Posted by: David Bradish on Feb 11, 2009 12:42 PM   
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First of all, the $50B in loan volume is for DOE's loan guarantee program that includes many more technologies other than nuclear. If you look at this link here, you will see that your pet renewable projects can receive part of this $50B "stimulus" as well.

Second, why are you complaining that nuclear energy is a part of this "stimulus"? Your pet renewable projects and transmission lines were appropriated $8.5B in the final Senate version which will go to support almost $85B in loan volume. Nuclear energy has no access to this. So according to the legislation, your pet renewable projects are eligible to receive potentially $135B in loans.

The nuclear industry will be working hard over the coming year to insert language into legislation, most likely whatever energy bill comes out of Congress, that forces the tax payer to cover the cost of the subsidy. And I suspect they'll try to get the loan guarantees to cover 100 percent of the cost.

Where do you get this garbage? We believe it is completely appropriate for the industry to share part of the risk. That's why utilities are going to be putting down at least $2B of their own money to receive the loan guarantees. If a nuclear utility defaults, their $2B is lost. Very few electric companies could sustain a loss like that which is why the nuclear industry is going to take their time to get it right.

You complain that building new nuclear plants will end up burdening taxpayers an exorbitant amount of money if they default. Well, let me ask you this? How many companies have actually defaulted in the past? I can find only one: Washington Public Power Service. So I would say that a 20 or 30 or 50 percent default rate is quite a bit unrealistic.

Try bringing some common sense to this rant. The nuclear industry isn't out there to burden the government and taxpayers at the expense of your pet renewables no matter how much you want to distort the truth.

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It's easier and "cheaper" to manufacture more WMDs from nuclear waste than reusing it. Plus,
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 12, 2009 4:35 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
nuclear energy guzzles more water and fossil fuels. When Peak Oil hits, these nuclear reactors aren't going to help any and don't expect some biofuel such as algae or hemp to be used to power nuclear reactors since it's more expensive to manufacture those two for fuel and gubbmint hates decentralization. More PORK for Big Nuclear !

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» WRONG. Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» Wrong on two counts. Posted by: mgmyers79

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How did it get there?
Posted by: rickiey on Feb 12, 2009 5:55 AM   
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Because Obama's plan is to build non-carbon producing forms of energy, thats how. Any time you BUILD anything, jobs are created. And even PLANNING to build a nuclear reactor, creates jobs. If you plan on building one 5 years from now, it creates jobs NOW.

And for the idiot that keeps reiterating that "nuclear power guzzles water", I'd like to point out that if done properly, nuclear power can be used to CREATE clean drinking water (out of salt water).

The US navy has been doing it for decades.

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a nice leaky reactor to boost cancer profits..YES!
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Feb 12, 2009 8:41 AM   
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and remove useless eaters

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Just got a message
Posted by: johnclark on Feb 12, 2009 8:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
saying that the $50/bil was cut out of the bill:

Victory! No Nuke Loan Guarantees in Final Bill
February 12, 2009

Dear Friends,

VICTORY! YOU DID IT!

Late last night, we got word that the $50 Billion in taxpayer loan guarantees for new nuclear reactors and "clean coal" plants has been stripped from the final economic stimulus bill!

Your actions made a huge difference.

To recap, you:

*sent more than 7,600 letters to your Senators in one week

*sent more than 3,000 letters to your Representatives in the House in three days

*sent more than 1100 letters to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid just yesterday afternoon (unfortunately, most letters to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were blocked; we'll work on that problem with our Congressional database service).

*made thousands of phone calls to your Senators and Representatives

*brought needed attention to the issue through your blogs, letters to the editor, your Facebook and Myspace pages, and much more.

The final bill should be voted on in the House later today, and in the Senate probably tomorrow. The final bill almost certainly will pass, and there will be no amendments on this final bill, so the taxpayer money for the dirty and dangerous nuclear/coal industry will stay out of the bill.

Take a moment to celebrate today!

But make no mistake: the nuclear industry and its Congressional backers will try again, and sooner rather than later. Two days ago, for example, they began a new push to have nuclear power declared a "renewable" energy source in Senate Energy Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman's (D-NM) upcoming Renewable Portfolio Standard bill, which is intended to increase renewable energy production in the U.S. (although first indications are that the bill is much weaker than it should be). This is likely to become a major issue in March.

And there will be new efforts to set up a federal "clean energy bank" to finance nuclear reactors with taxpayer dollars in the coming weeks and months.

In other words, we'll have to stay vigilant and active, and continue growing this movement if we are to attain the safe, clean, nuclear-free, carbon-free energy future our nation and planet needs.

You have now proven your effectiveness, but we can and must do even more. President Obama's campaign was successful in large part because of the support of a constantly growing number of ordinary people, taking action and making small donations, that built into an enormous political force. We are taking the same approach: in the past three months, NIRS contact lists have grown by more than one-third--a key element of today's success. Let's continue building this movement!

Please make a small donation on our secure servers so we can continue our outreach and build on this success. Your support is gratefully appreciated and every penny is used as wisely as possible.

And from all of us at NIRS: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!!!!

Michael Mariotte
Executive Director
Nuclear Information and Resource Service
nirsnet@nirs.org
www.nirs.org

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Where's AsteroidMiner when you need him? [kidding!]
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 AM   
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But here is where it gets particularly farcical: The loans only got snuck into the bill by budget gimmickry that replicates the high-leverage, fraudulent risk analysis that got us into the subprime mortgage and credit default swap mess. Some leading nuclear energy experts explained this to me Tuesday, and I will do my best to explain it to you.

Being that the owning class shitheads that created the fiscal crash are now creating the "solushun" too... this is wholly unsurprising.

Stoopid is as stoopit does... and all that.

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Nuclear Pork is a Third Rail of Politics
Posted by: PaulK on Feb 12, 2009 7:44 PM   
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I'd like to confirm the above report about the death of the $50B in nuclear pork earlier today.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2009/2009-02-12-094.asp

The idea of spending $50B to kill a renewable energy future and to poison America's economy in multiple tragic ways is a political third rail. 98% of Americans are not averse to the environmental movement. Any member of Congress not from Utah or Alaska could see this coming.

Thanks to those who called. Please spread the thanks around in D.C.

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Nuclear Meltdown in Seabrook, NH
Posted by: PaulK on Feb 12, 2009 7:58 PM   
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But wait. The CBO does believe that there is some recoverable value in a defaulted plant. Don't ask my why, since I have no idea how they get value from some uneconomic, half-built plant that is probably the subject of major lawsuits (see "Nuclear meltdown in Finland").

There are two plants in Seabrook, NH. One is colored black and one is concrete colored. The black one was never finished due to company bankruptcy. It cost a fortune and has contributed absolutely zilch in 30 years. It would make a great barn for cows, except the area is pretty radioactive and milk is the second to last thing you would want from the area (the last thing is to have a beach resort in the neighborhood).

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Way to distort the issue
Posted by: David Bradish on Feb 11, 2009 12:42 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First of all, the $50B in loan volume is for DOE's loan guarantee program that includes many more technologies other than nuclear. If you look at this link here, you will see that your pet renewable projects can receive part of this $50B "stimulus" as well.

Second, why are you complaining that nuclear energy is a part of this "stimulus"? Your pet renewable projects and transmission lines were appropriated $8.5B in the final Senate version which will go to support almost $85B in loan volume. Nuclear energy has no access to this. So according to the legislation, your pet renewable projects are eligible to receive potentially $135B in loans.

The nuclear industry will be working hard over the coming year to insert language into legislation, most likely whatever energy bill comes out of Congress, that forces the tax payer to cover the cost of the subsidy. And I suspect they'll try to get the loan guarantees to cover 100 percent of the cost.

Where do you get this garbage? We believe it is completely appropriate for the industry to share part of the risk. That's why utilities are going to be putting down at least $2B of their own money to receive the loan guarantees. If a nuclear utility defaults, their $2B is lost. Very few electric companies could sustain a loss like that which is why the nuclear industry is going to take their time to get it right.

You complain that building new nuclear plants will end up burdening taxpayers an exorbitant amount of money if they default. Well, let me ask you this? How many companies have actually defaulted in the past? I can find only one: Washington Public Power Service. So I would say that a 20 or 30 or 50 percent default rate is quite a bit unrealistic.

Try bringing some common sense to this rant. The nuclear industry isn't out there to burden the government and taxpayers at the expense of your pet renewables no matter how much you want to distort the truth.

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» RE: Way to distort the issue Posted by: igmuska1
» RE: Way to distort the issue Posted by: David Bradish
» Big Nuclear shill ! Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» Nuclear shill indeed Posted by: mgmyers79
» RE: Way to distort the issue Posted by: HillbillyRob
» RE: Way to distort the issue Posted by: madmax427

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It's easier and "cheaper" to manufacture more WMDs from nuclear waste than reusing it. Plus,
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 12, 2009 4:35 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
nuclear energy guzzles more water and fossil fuels. When Peak Oil hits, these nuclear reactors aren't going to help any and don't expect some biofuel such as algae or hemp to be used to power nuclear reactors since it's more expensive to manufacture those two for fuel and gubbmint hates decentralization. More PORK for Big Nuclear !

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Umm.... Posted by: Derek Maddox
» WRONG. Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» Wrong on two counts. Posted by: mgmyers79

Comments are closed-

How did it get there?
Posted by: rickiey on Feb 12, 2009 5:55 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Because Obama's plan is to build non-carbon producing forms of energy, thats how. Any time you BUILD anything, jobs are created. And even PLANNING to build a nuclear reactor, creates jobs. If you plan on building one 5 years from now, it creates jobs NOW.

And for the idiot that keeps reiterating that "nuclear power guzzles water", I'd like to point out that if done properly, nuclear power can be used to CREATE clean drinking water (out of salt water).

The US navy has been doing it for decades.

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» RE: How did it get there? Posted by: SteveO

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a nice leaky reactor to boost cancer profits..YES!
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Feb 12, 2009 8:41 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and remove useless eaters

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Just got a message
Posted by: johnclark on Feb 12, 2009 8:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
saying that the $50/bil was cut out of the bill:

Victory! No Nuke Loan Guarantees in Final Bill
February 12, 2009

Dear Friends,

VICTORY! YOU DID IT!

Late last night, we got word that the $50 Billion in taxpayer loan guarantees for new nuclear reactors and "clean coal" plants has been stripped from the final economic stimulus bill!

Your actions made a huge difference.

To recap, you:

*sent more than 7,600 letters to your Senators in one week

*sent more than 3,000 letters to your Representatives in the House in three days

*sent more than 1100 letters to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid just yesterday afternoon (unfortunately, most letters to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were blocked; we'll work on that problem with our Congressional database service).

*made thousands of phone calls to your Senators and Representatives

*brought needed attention to the issue through your blogs, letters to the editor, your Facebook and Myspace pages, and much more.

The final bill should be voted on in the House later today, and in the Senate probably tomorrow. The final bill almost certainly will pass, and there will be no amendments on this final bill, so the taxpayer money for the dirty and dangerous nuclear/coal industry will stay out of the bill.

Take a moment to celebrate today!

But make no mistake: the nuclear industry and its Congressional backers will try again, and sooner rather than later. Two days ago, for example, they began a new push to have nuclear power declared a "renewable" energy source in Senate Energy Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman's (D-NM) upcoming Renewable Portfolio Standard bill, which is intended to increase renewable energy production in the U.S. (although first indications are that the bill is much weaker than it should be). This is likely to become a major issue in March.

And there will be new efforts to set up a federal "clean energy bank" to finance nuclear reactors with taxpayer dollars in the coming weeks and months.

In other words, we'll have to stay vigilant and active, and continue growing this movement if we are to attain the safe, clean, nuclear-free, carbon-free energy future our nation and planet needs.

You have now proven your effectiveness, but we can and must do even more. President Obama's campaign was successful in large part because of the support of a constantly growing number of ordinary people, taking action and making small donations, that built into an enormous political force. We are taking the same approach: in the past three months, NIRS contact lists have grown by more than one-third--a key element of today's success. Let's continue building this movement!

Please make a small donation on our secure servers so we can continue our outreach and build on this success. Your support is gratefully appreciated and every penny is used as wisely as possible.

And from all of us at NIRS: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!!!!

Michael Mariotte
Executive Director
Nuclear Information and Resource Service
nirsnet@nirs.org
www.nirs.org

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Where's AsteroidMiner when you need him? [kidding!]
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But here is where it gets particularly farcical: The loans only got snuck into the bill by budget gimmickry that replicates the high-leverage, fraudulent risk analysis that got us into the subprime mortgage and credit default swap mess. Some leading nuclear energy experts explained this to me Tuesday, and I will do my best to explain it to you.

Being that the owning class shitheads that created the fiscal crash are now creating the "solushun" too... this is wholly unsurprising.

Stoopid is as stoopit does... and all that.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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Nuclear Pork is a Third Rail of Politics
Posted by: PaulK on Feb 12, 2009 7:44 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'd like to confirm the above report about the death of the $50B in nuclear pork earlier today.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2009/2009-02-12-094.asp

The idea of spending $50B to kill a renewable energy future and to poison America's economy in multiple tragic ways is a political third rail. 98% of Americans are not averse to the environmental movement. Any member of Congress not from Utah or Alaska could see this coming.

Thanks to those who called. Please spread the thanks around in D.C.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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Nuclear Meltdown in Seabrook, NH
Posted by: PaulK on Feb 12, 2009 7:58 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But wait. The CBO does believe that there is some recoverable value in a defaulted plant. Don't ask my why, since I have no idea how they get value from some uneconomic, half-built plant that is probably the subject of major lawsuits (see "Nuclear meltdown in Finland").

There are two plants in Seabrook, NH. One is colored black and one is concrete colored. The black one was never finished due to company bankruptcy. It cost a fortune and has contributed absolutely zilch in 30 years. It would make a great barn for cows, except the area is pretty radioactive and milk is the second to last thing you would want from the area (the last thing is to have a beach resort in the neighborhood).

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