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Are 'Hail Mary' Technological Solutions Our Only Hope to Prevent Disastrous Climate Change?

By Steve Connor, Independent UK. Posted January 2, 2009.


In a recent survey, the majority of scientists said artificially lowering global temperatures could be a "Plan B" for saving the planet.
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An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change, according to a poll of leading scientists carried out by The Independent. The collective international failure to curb the growing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has meant that an alternative to merely curbing emissions may become necessary.

The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air. This "geoengineering" approach -- including schemes such as fertilising the oceans with iron to stimulate algal blooms -- would have been dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but is now being seen by the majority of scientists we surveyed as a viable emergency backup plan that could save the planet from the worst effects of climate change, at least until deep cuts are made in CO2 emissions.

What has worried many of the experts, who include recognised authorities from the world's leading universities and research institutes, as well as a Nobel Laureate, is the failure to curb global greenhouse gas emissions through international agreements, namely the Kyoto Treaty, and recent studies indicating that the Earth's natural carbon "sinks" are becoming less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere.

Levels of CO2 have continued to increase during the past decade since the treaty was agreed and they are now rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body. In the meantime the natural absorption of CO2 by the world's forests and oceans has decreased significantly. Most of the scientists we polled agreed that the failure to curb emissions of CO2, which are increasing at a rate of 1 per cent a year, has created the need for an emergency "plan B" involving research, development and possible implementation of a worldwide geoengineering strategy.

Just over half -- 54 per cent -- of the 80 international specialists in climate science who took part in our survey agreed that the situation is now so dire that we need a backup plan that involves the artificial manipulation of the global climate to counter the effects of man-made emissions of greenhouse gases. About 35 per cent of respondents disagreed with the need for a "plan B", arguing that it would distract from the main objective of cutting CO2 emissions, with the remaining 11 per cent saying that they did not know whether a geoengineering strategy is needed or not.

Almost everyone who thought that geoengineering should be studied as a possible plan B said that it must not be seen as an alternative to international agreements on cutting carbon emissions but something that runs in parallel to binding treaties in case climate change runs out of control and there an urgent need to cool the planet quickly.

Geoengineering was dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but it has recently become a serious topic of research. Next summer, for example, the Royal Society, in London, is due to publish a report on the subject, led by Professor John Shepherd of the National Oceanography Centre at Southampton University. Professor Shepherd was one of the scientists who said that a plan B was needed because he was now less optimistic about the prospects of curbing CO2 levels since Kyoto was agreed, and less optimistic about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with the expected CO2 increases. "Geoengineering options... must not be allowed to detract from efforts to reduce CO2 emissions directly," said Professor Shepherd, who studies the interaction between the climate and oceans. In answer to the question of whether scientists were more optimistic or less optimistic about the ability of the climate system to cope with increases in man-made CO2 without dangerous climate change, just one out of the 80 respondents to our survey was more optimistic, 72 per cent were less optimistic, and 23 per cent felt about the same.

Professor James Lovelock, a geo-scientist and author of the Gaia hypothesis, in which the Earth is a quasi-living organism, is one of those who is less optimistic. He believes that a plan B is urgently needed. "I never thought that the Kyoto agreement would lead to any useful cut back in greenhouse gas emissions so I am neither more nor less optimistic now about prospect of curbing CO2 compared to 10 years ago. I am, however, less optimistic now about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with expected increases in atmospheric carbon levels compared with 10 years ago," he told The Independent. "I strongly agree that we now need a 'plan B' where a geoengineering strategy is drawn up in parallel with other measures to curb CO2 emissions."


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Geoengineering?! Oh no...
Posted by: URANIUS on Jan 2, 2009 12:27 AM   
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This is absurd even to think of; we have a patient (our Earth) who is sick because of the bad diet, and instead of providing him a proper diet (sorry, no heavy food for some time!) we will try to cure him with chemicals, in the meanwhile continuing to poison him furtherly with bad food!! I admire Mr. Lovelock and other scientists for their work, but we must not forget science brought us here where we are today through irresponsible inovations application. I would appeal to them: please, don't mess things up further! If we are to face a major climate change, then so be it: otherwise, we might really face total extinction.

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» RE: Geoengineering?! Oh no... Posted by: mgmyers79
Give me a pill to fix things, said the patient...
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Jan 2, 2009 1:30 AM   
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"You've been abusing your body for one hundred years, and know you want a fix-it? An overnight solution? Forget about it.

Agriculture and industry and residential communities - all need a lot of reform, a lot of infrastructure, a lot of time and effort. It usually takes a thousand years to grow an inch of topsoil, you know... though a good farmer can speed up the process some.

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» Right on about the magic pill Posted by: mgmyers79
I need all your addresses...
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jan 2, 2009 1:39 AM   
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...because after this, we will only be able to chat the old fashion Mark Twain way via paper letters delivered by the Pony Express.

Talk about living off the grid as something like electricity becomes a "luxury" for the well to do. Oh well, I prefer an old fashion book than reading it online but I would miss my IPod

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» No pony express... Posted by: robbie.seal
AJR Journal
Posted by: AJR Journal on Jan 2, 2009 4:40 AM   
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Fighting sunspots will help, too!
2008 was the coldest year of this century and sunspot activity was at it lowest level in 100 years, or so. A commitment to limiting sunspots will help moderate temperatures.

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So when will we get rid of Big Government HOA?
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 2, 2009 5:19 AM   
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If it weren't for them, more people would be having the freedom to put up their own solar panels and wind turbines and generate their own electricity rather than allow the utility companies to price gouge them.

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RE: Wouldn't that use a lot of energy?
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 2, 2009 9:55 AM   
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Where would it come from? Fossil Fuels?

Of course, the same is true of some of the proposals in the article. The likeliest to work is iron fertilization, because the energy cost is low.

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» RE: Too LAte Posted by: oregoncharles
» It's not too late. Posted by: wolfgangmo75
First Let's Talk About Plan AA
Posted by: Growthbuster on Jan 2, 2009 6:24 AM   
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It is disheartening to see us considering a trip to Las Vegas to gamble that technology might save us, all the while refusing to buck up and address the two simplest solutions so far kept off the table.

It amounts to a big dose of honesty. Can we bring ourselves to face the painful truth about how and why our CO2 emissions increase?

1. Stop trying to grow our economies. That runs completely counter to reducing our emissions. Our emissions reduction programs are failing so miserably because we refuse to give up economic growth.

2. Begin a robust effort to reduce population. While one day we may regret taking too soft an approach on this, I know there is a lot of emotional baggage attached to this one. So I'm proposing we first of all just admit and talk about population growth's contributions to our dilemma. Many will voluntarily limit their family size and may even forego having children, if they are educated on the ramifications. Second I propose eliminating all public policies that provide incentives for reproduction and implement policies that discourage the activity. Third, make family planning services widely available and promote them.

Dave Gardner
Producer/Director
Hooked on Growth: Our Misguided Quest for Prosperity
Join the cause at www.growthbusters.com
See our new Population Solution PSA

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» I think you are right but... Posted by: wolfgangmo75
» I agree with number 2 Posted by: robbie.seal
the new fuedal system
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 2, 2009 7:09 AM   
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The hail mary technologies you are "hoping" for are already a reality in the patent office and the secret govt.... Many of them are close to 100 years old.. Why dont you Google Nicolai Tesla, Wilhelm Reich, Royal Rife, or suppressed technology... We live in the dark ages due to the monopolist that control our govt. Big governments and communism true purpose is to kill competition and new ideas that threaten the monopolist. Now go fill up your 1895 internal combustion engine and pay the bill for your 1910 electric grid.. Its almost laughable to see how long and heavy they have been taxing us through suppression.

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fighting over the thermostat setting
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 2, 2009 7:38 AM   
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Wasn't it a mere thirty years or so ago that the big hoobaloo was about global COOLING?

The "Global Warming" freak-out is just the latest to come down the line from the Chicken-Littles who make money off-of the "disaster this-disaster that" thing. And it seems to be concentrated in Britain for some odd reason. You don't hear much about it from China and the other countries around there.

Meanwhile, here where I live (Nebraska) we have just come out of one of the bitterest coldest snowiest Decembers in 30 years (3 weeks the temps dipped below 0).

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» There is a difference. Posted by: Beck
» debunk the debunker Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: Fiction isn't Science Posted by: lessbread
The kyoto fraud.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 2, 2009 7:53 AM   
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is the failure to curb global greenhouse gas emissions through international agreements, namely the Kyoto Treaty, and recent studies indicating that the Earth's natural carbon "sinks" are becoming less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere.

If ALL the guidelines of Kyoto were met, IPCC estimates a "warming savings" of .07 degrees by 2100.

Or, as it is called by folks who pursue science for a living, hardly even statistically signficant. No thanks, kyoto devotees might as well join their creationist counterparts when it comes to what they "believe" about Earth science.

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» RE: The kyoto fraud. Posted by: lessbread
» Global Warmers and Kyoto Posted by: robbie.seal
technology will not save us.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jan 2, 2009 8:43 AM   
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You want to sequester carbon? replant some of the trees we have been cutting down across the entire planet.

But that, though it is a more reliable, realistic, healthy, and natural answer to the problem, and one with fewer side effects and mission creep, is off the table because it can't be tucked away in places no one wants to go while taking up very little room to begin with. It would actually take room, and a good deal of it. It would require actual sacrifice... and as soon as you mention that people start worrying that basic luxuries will only be there for the wealthy... well, boys and girls it is getting that way anyway quite quickly. Can YOU afford a place to live, and healthcare, and heating, and gas? Lots can't and it is only getting worse, so something has got to give.

Or... we can be less obsessed with having all the toys that distract us from modern existence and start rethinking the way we actually live life.

www.greenanarchy.org

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» RE: Excellent point, "Joshua." Posted by: oregoncharles
» Sorta... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Neutral technology Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Some Technology History... Posted by: bifheart
» Technology can be used... Posted by: mgmyers79
Beware such scaremongering
Posted by: CharlieRossi on Jan 2, 2009 9:14 AM   
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I have come to the conclusion (if you can call it a conclusion) that recent climate data is starting to unravel the co2 forcing theory for global warming or whatever you wish to call it. The data for 2008 (although still being analysed and processed) clearly shows something is not quite right with the Co2 climate forcing models - it has cooled a lot more than predicted.

Although I don't believe that sunspots are the source of the increase in the moving average there is clearly a linked that has been underestimated.

I await to see what this year's drop off in temperature does to the reforming of ice in the artic from here on in which is a concern. However, I am puzzled why the interior of Antarctica has become colder over the moving average.

I'm sorry guys, although I do believe strongly that we are treating our planet with enviromental contempt the climate doom camp has some serious explaining to do with 2008 data and the clear connection between the drop off in sunspot activity.

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» RE: Greenhouse effect. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Beware benign denialism Posted by: lessbread
» You don't get it... Posted by: robbie.seal
Lifestyle changes
Posted by: willymack on Jan 2, 2009 9:47 AM   
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Most of us have realized by now that the "American Way of Life" is wasteful, polluting, and destructive. We simply can't expect to go on as in the past and expect things to fix themselves. Population control through family planning and mass education needs to be set in motion ASAP. There is simply no time to waste. We MUST cease burning combustibles for energy and transportation. I know this can't happen overnight, but we MUST make a beginning, and soon. We really need to educate our people that uncontrolled capitalism is poison to all of us, and that those who advocate more of the same are EVIL bastards, unworthy of our respect or attention, and who must be resisted in every way. We need to clean house, and imprison the crooks who have betrayed our trust and unleashed the horrors of illegal wars and grand theft of our national treasure. If this means jailing half of those in the House and Senate, along with most of this "administration", from the president on down, so be it; we simply can't afford to"let bygones be bygones", because doing so would condone treason, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and war profiteering. This is a moral imperative for us and our nation. If we're able to attain a more humane society, a stable population, an elimination of pollution and habitat destruction, this would mean (to some of us) a radical change in the way we do most things. The question here is :To ensure our survival with anything resembling a quality of life, can we NOT afford to change?

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» RE: Lifestyle changes Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Lifestyle changes Posted by: URANIUS
bannock
Posted by: bannock on Jan 2, 2009 10:05 AM   
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I wonder if the author of this article or anyone reading it would be interested in the following article: Climate Change: Breaking the "Political Consensus"The Science of Climate Change: What does it Really Tell Us?By Andrew G. Marshall
URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9763
Global Research, August 7, 2008

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An overlooked solution.
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 2, 2009 10:16 AM   
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Healthy soils store enormous amounts of carbon; it's called humus. Of course, it's also the key to soil fertility.

Chemical farming uses up humus, replacing it with chemical fertilizers that are themselves greenhouse-gas producers.

Organic farmers focus on maximizing organic content in their soil (hence the name): ie, carbon. I can't remember the exact numbers, but raising all our agricultural soils to 10% humus content would soak up more carbon than any of the schemes mentioned, while improving fertility and reducing fossil-fuel use.

Switching to horse agriculture would save the fossil fuels tractors burn, but would compete with people for food. Done correctly, and combined with improved soil productivity, that should be a favorable tradeoff. Just ask the Amish - they've done this all along.

And Joshua Ludd has a good point: planting trees always helps, if they survive. For one thing, they store half their collected carbon in the ground; you can use the wood but leave the roots behind. It isn't just your own property, if you have any: local governments should be planting trees wherever possible. And stop clearing them away. It's something you can do locally.

Obviously, we need to change both agricultural and forestry policies to have a large impact; that's where it gets political. So if you're writing to Change.gov, tell them to wrap all of those policies around carbon storage.

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» Idiot! Posted by: vertical
» Idiot, yourself Posted by: leafsong1
» harsh but true Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» Well, if you think about it... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Idiot! Posted by: URANIUS
» 10% organic matter too high Posted by: greenknight
Don't worry about it...there's no problem we can't fix!
Posted by: thelostsailor on Jan 2, 2009 11:11 AM   
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More of the same nonsensical idea seeding that preaches the American capitalist mantra: 'Don't worry about your consumerism or your wasteful lifestyle- stay the course and keep shopping. Like all our problems the environmentalists say we have, technology will fix it'.
That is complete nonsense.

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The real problem
Posted by: Jean Siracusa on Jan 2, 2009 11:17 AM   
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is the failure of higher education and of several generations of people who believe they are educated but fail to understand the systems that sustain life on our planet. Comments made in the article illustrate scarce comprehension of the relationship between living systems within the planetary web of life and its complex network of organic and chemical reactions that occupy all ecological niches within this planetary web.

What has been missing in higher education and in science courses is the focus of the understanding that human life is dependent on and interconnected with all other living systems. Current textbooks were written in the mid 20th century, albeit revised every few years without relevant material imperative to achieve better understanding of life and sustainability in the 21st century. These circumstances contribute to our current lack of scientific comprehension, and while these textbooks are a poor investment for students they are profitable for the publishers.

Teaching and learning science relevant to 21st century knowledge, conditions, and circumstances must address the lack of clear understanding the world’s life systems within the general population. People fail to recognize that their limited understanding of life systems is reflected in linear concepts primarily centered on human life systems and has contributed to many of the problems we face today.

Professional educators and people in leadership positions must be willing to open their minds to the importance of true scientific comprehension as a commitment and beginning to remediate the damage this ignorance of life systems has caused on our planet.

It is evident that they fail to understand that no individual organism can exist in isolation and that every action generates a reaction. Technology without comprehensive understanding of all living systems is potential for failure and destruction of part of the fragile web of this living fabric we call earth.

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» Capitalize that "E" Posted by: leafsong1
OMG; You've got to be kidding.
Posted by: wjfaust on Jan 2, 2009 12:54 PM   
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Given that we got into this mess with our our alien, smug technology, I find it ironic a number of the world's scientists now look to it to extricate us from the mess we are in. I would expect that of our politicos and predatory capitalists. But our scientists? I can understand the desperation but evidence is growing we are indeed a just a complex cancer. Better we perish in another mass extinction and let life get on without us. Maybe humanity 2.0 will have the gene Bill McKibben says we are missing -- the one that tell us when we have had enough.

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» We have no real scientists Posted by: robbie.seal
Idiots from Hell
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jan 2, 2009 4:25 PM   
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Any informed person who thought that Kyoto would solve the problem is too stupid to live and should sign up to have their carbon locked away six feet underground.

Any informed person who thinks that "Plan B" is not simply an excuse to avoid the neccessary sacrifices to make "Plan A" work is just as stupid.

These ridiculous schemes are merely audacious red herrings.

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A Global Solution? How Primitive
Posted by: Jonalist on Jan 3, 2009 3:44 AM   
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From what I have read about the real problem behind the big issue it will not actually be CO2 but will be the earth and its magnetism change which is predicted that will cause disasterous results, regardless of CO2 consequences. The alternative mioght should be to plan emergency evacuations and plan having food, clothing and shelter for many more people than is anticipated to be seeking help. If this ultimate disaster occurs in our livetime just how to cope will be the only recourse we will have, not in trying to solve a global crisis in CO2 because it might result in much of the nation losing its power and energy supplys, jus how different are politicians trying to make this for their pork projects to absorb the extra cash flow from the courts is inappropriate management.

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civil discourse
Posted by: mwildfire on Jan 3, 2009 5:19 AM   
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Anyone who disagrees with any part of my opinions is an "idiot" and a "moron" and should be "six feet under." Why can't we talk about this--or anything else--without so many people engaging in this kind of vituperative attack?
Any solution requires unprecedented worldwide cooperation in making drastic changes. If we are to have that cooperation, we need to be able to talk like civilized adults.

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what warming?
Posted by: pygmy on Jan 3, 2009 5:19 AM   
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global temperatures are falling people. Warming was probably caused by the sun and not CO2. LOOK IT UP! The greenhouse theory of global warming has been thoroughly discredited. All present supposed solutions are meant to benefit the global elite. Al Gore has still not repudiated ETHANOL!!!!

check this out and wake yourself up from this particular liberal's nightmare. They are playing you sensitive environmentalist's like tom tom drums

http://co2sceptics.com/

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» RE: what warming? Posted by: Daniel35
» RE: what warming? Posted by: pygmy
CO2/prarie grass
Posted by: andreas on Jan 3, 2009 8:48 AM   
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My understanding is that if the entire Midwest (out to the Rockies) was returned back to grass fed animal farming, it would not only feed the people healthy meat, but would sequester the CO2 for the entire planet. When it is done properly, the animals are moved through many pastures and the prairie grasses are pulsed (grown and eaten down), which also produces topsoil very quickly, and there are farmers who are doing this. I myself wonder if at the same time wind farms could be erected in the pastures.

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The 5% solution is already in progress
Posted by: Gaubladt on Jan 3, 2009 10:22 AM   
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PLan B is reducing the earth's population by 95%!
Don't delude yourselves into assuming that the jerks at American Enterprize Institute, CATO & the Heritage Foundation aren't planning or implementing it right now!

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Other options
Posted by: Daniel35 on Jan 3, 2009 12:45 PM   
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Plan A: Major changes in politico-economic systems around the world.
Plan B: Stop all exploration for new sources of fossil fuels, first coal, then oil, then methane. Stop development of newly discovered sites.
Plan C: Lifestyle changes, alternative energy development, conservation, encouraged by naturally rising prices, and carbon tax.
Plan D: Geoengineering to reduce atmospheric CO2.
Plan E: Geoengineering to directly cool the environment, often by reducing sunlight hitting dark water and ground. This of course ignores other problems caused by excess CO2, which we must deal with eventually, and makes us dependent on continued modern technology and energy use.

I have another idea for Plan D, and for Plan E.

Plan D: Collect CO2 emitted by undersea volcanic vents, separated from seawater partly by distillation, using the vents as heat source, storing CO2 (more dense that water below 1 km depth) on the deep ocean floor nearby, needing minimal plumbing, in at least some cases no additional power source, and easier construction than you might imagine. More details available below.

Plan E: This may be a less popular idea. Create many small tropical storms, hopefully stationary, partly to prevent larger storms from forming. Storms are a major means for heat to be moved from the ocean to the upper troposphere, by evaporation and condensation, where it can more easily dissipate to space. The cooler ocean in turn cools the atmosphere, and reduces the number of 'wild' storms resulting from warmer water.

Build a ring of rafts maybe a mile or more wide, with a mast and sail on each raft. Anchor the ring in an area where tropical storms are often born, and at least at first, where they are unlikely to reach land. Sails on one side of the ring would be adjusted (by wind-powered motors) to form a wall to keep prevailing winds out of the ring, and on the other side, to pull winds into the ring, forming a necessarily rising spiral wind. Under conditions where storms are likely to form, this is likely to create one, perhaps held in place by the anchored raft. Activate the first system early in the storm season, when storms are more likely to die than enlarge. When it's found to work, build many more.

Most projects that have apparent benefits in the future, but are burdens in the present, are relatively easy to stop if found to have unsuspected problems, compared to those that bring pleasure in the present.

Dan Robinson, danrob@efn.org

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» Plan E is a joke right? Posted by: robbie.seal
SCIENTISTS speak against Anthropogenic warming
Posted by: pygmy on Jan 3, 2009 9:35 PM   
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Wrongly prescribed prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death in this country.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/

31,000 American scientists have signed this petition: funny how it isn't in the corporate media

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

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Unintended Consequences
Posted by: Urgelt on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 PM   
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The scariest thing facing us with respect to global warming is that we may find ourselves at a tipping point.

NASA and others have written extensively about the potential for large-scale release of methane clathrate deposits. Clathrates (Google it for more info) are a frozen slurry of ice and methane, and they exist under tundra and on the continental shelves under the oceans. These deposits are huge, and they aren't terribly stable. There is geological evidence that during extreme warming periods in the deep geological past, they've been released, with the result that warming is accelerated tremendously.

Methane is a much more dangerous greenhouse gas than CO2. Once it starts being released in quantity, the accelerated warming that will result will trigger further releases. It could go very quickly, speaking geologically - a few decades could see global temperatures rise by many degrees Celsius.

In 2008, Russian scientists found widespread evidence that methane clathrate releases had already begun, on Siberian tundra and in the arctic ocean both. Videos exist which show the Siberian tundra literally boiling as methane locked up for millions of years bubbles into the atmosphere. In the Arctic Ocean, scientists recording large "burps" of methane rising from the sea floor. Atmospheric readings of methane concentrations in the region showed sharp increases. Some climatologists think this may explain why global warming is proceeding much more rapidly in the arctic than in the antarctic, where clathrate deposits are much less prevalent.

So, I accept the premise of the article, and of the geoscientists who think we may need a "Plan B." I'm worried that we may be nearer a "tipping point" than most people suspect. I'm worried that free market capitalism is simply unable to adjust itself to the realities we face, and that national governments, bogged down by inertia and corruption and fiscal realities, are unable to lead us to safety.

The problem with the plans being contemplated is that they are, frankly, poorly thought out. Nobody has a good grasp of the global consequences of implementing any of them. The likelihood of unintended consequences is large.

Most of the plans involve reducing sunlight reaching the earth. Yet I have seen few of these geoscientists asking the obvious biological questions. What happens to photosynthesis, if sunlight is reduced? What happens to oxygen content? How will metabolisis be altered if we make such large environmental changes? Will a dimmer, cooler, chemically-altered Earth be kinder with respect to species extinctions than runaway warming? If we use space mirrors, what will happen to the ozone layer, which relies on sunlight to replenish itself? What is the chain of causality which will appear, should any of these geo-engineering projects be undertaken?

Nobody knows the answers to these questions. Geoscientists have a lot of work to do before we can make informed decisions, I'm afraid.

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Sequestering Carbon
Posted by: Urgelt on Jan 3, 2009 11:59 PM   
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This is not my original thought, but it's stuck in my mind since I heard it.

Coal is sequestered carbon.

If you want carbon sequestration, leave it in the ground.

Burning coal is only cost-effective if we ignore the by-products. Once you set on a course of resequestering carbon after it's burned, it's no longer a competitive energy source.

Burning fossil fuels is, frankly, a primitive technology. To sustain ourselves, we need to get off of those fuels entirely.

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on the rocks please
Posted by: edgar1 on Jan 4, 2009 2:36 PM   
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if the last ten years handn't shown a cooling trend and all the signs of an oncoming ice age weren't all around us, i'd be worried. nevertheless, al gore is making a fortune! who said a sucker isn't born every minute!

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disaster awaits
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jan 9, 2009 11:19 PM   
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Wow...
First of all it is pretty arrogant to think that we can just dump a bunch of stuff in the air or oceans and alter the climate. The very scale of it demands that most geoengineering schemes are absurd. We are but fleas on this planet, it would be a monumental task (like 100 years of industrialization..) to even alter it in a minimal way.

Item two is, what if you somehow salt the ocean with enough iron to blow off a big algae bloom. Then the law of unintended consequenses takes over, and the Pacific becomes a huge anerobic dead zone. Methane skyrockets. GLOBAL OOPS! Try it in the Atlantic, shut down the THC, and it is OH shit! Ice age! It would stop global warming, but No Thanks.

There are two issues here. One is deforestation. The great forests, and especially the rain forests, are the planet's lungs. They trade co2 for o2 and transevaporated moisture. Not replanting, it is no different than reducing lung function by smoking.

I will also submit that it is a very harmless form of mitigation. If it turns out wrong, the worst that you get is a forest. Unlike shutting down the thermohaline circulation, that would not be a global catastrophe.

Item two is that we need clean energy. The satellite based mirror array shouldn't be used to block the sun, but rather harness and focus it. There is a tremendous amount of clean, non-carbon based solar energy available outside of the atmosphere. If we could harness that, burning anything would be very 1972, and man made C02 worries would be too.

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