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Bikes Point the Way to a Sustainable Future
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Editor's Note: The following is an excerpt from "Nowtopia: How Pirate Programmers, Outlaw Bicyclists, and Vacant-Lot Gardeners Are Inventing the Future Today!" by Chris Carlsson, published by AK Press, 2008.
[In] this bike subculture there's no person who is the best, who is winning, or getting the most money. It's a pretty equal community in that everyone can excel, but not have to be the top dog -- Robin Havens
A funny thing happened during the last decade of the 20th century. Paralleling events that transpired a century earlier, a social movement emerged based on the bicycle. This "movement" is far from a unified force, and unlike the late 19th century bicyclists, this generation does not have to rally around the demand for "good roads." Instead, "chopper" bike clubs, nonprofit do-it-yourself repair shops, monthly Critical Mass rides, organized recreational and quasi-political rides and events, and an explosion of small zines covering every imaginable angle of bicycling and its surrounding culture, have proliferated in most metropolitan areas. Month-long "Bikesummer" festivals have occurred in cities around North America since 1999, galvanizing bicyclists across the spectrum into action and cooperation.
This curious, multifaceted phenomenon constitutes an important arena of autonomous politics. The bicycle has become a cultural signifier that begins to unite people across economic and racial strata. It signals a sensibility that stands against oil wars and the environmental devastation wrought by the oil and chemical industries, the urban decay imposed by cars and highways, the endless monocultural sprawl spreading outward across exurban zones. This new bicycling subculture stands for localism, a more human pace, more face-to-face interaction, hands- on technological self-sufficiency, reuse and recycling, and a healthy urban environment that is friendly to self-propulsion, pleasant smells and sights, and human conviviality.
Bicycling is for many of its adherents both a symbolic and practical rejection of one of the most onerous relationships capitalist society imposes: car ownership. But it's much more than just an alternative mode of transit. A tall, rugged blonde man in his mid-thirties, Megulon-5, an inspirational character in Portland, Oregon's C.H.U.N.K. 666 group, declares, "We are preparing for a post-apocalyptic future with different laws of physics." It sounds off-kilter at first, but there is a rising tide of local activists in most communities who accept the Peak Oil arguments. Many are already organizing themselves directly and indirectly towards a post-petroleum way of life. It may not alter physics exactly, but it certainly implies a radical change in our relationship to energy resources and ecology.
The explosion of zany and whimsical, practical and political self-expression via bicycling comprises a deeply rooted oppositional impulse that challenges core values of our society. The bicycle has become a device that connotes self-emancipation, as well as artistic and cultural experimentation. The playfulness and hands-on tinkering in the subculture is spawning new communities that can be framed as emerging sites of working class re-composition.
The "outlaw" bicycling subculture has no hierarchy flowing from wage differentials and ownership, because most of the culture takes place outside of monetary exchange or the logic of business. Instead, these bike hackers are all about doing, tinkering with the discarded detritus of urban life, inventing new forms of play, celebration, and artistic expression. Theirs is a culture that is re-produced in action, not affirmed in acts of passive consumption. Not just an isolated geek culture, it exists in real spaces and brings people together across age, class, race, and gender boundaries.
I call it an "outlaw" bike subculture because it goes against that kind of good behavior norm that a lot of mainstream bicycle advocates promote. The outlaw subculture is not particularly concerned with wearing helmets (or even safety in general), having the latest gear, following traffic rules set up for cars, or seeking approval from mainstream society. A 2003 issue of Christian Science Monitor described a "mutant bike" culture. Critical Mass rides have been important arenas for staking out these counter-norms in the bike scene. Crucially, this counter-sensibility has attracted legions of youth, and is eroding the nerdy image that has helped reinforce bicycling's reputation as unhip (recently emphasized in the film 40 Year Old Virgin, for example).
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Posted by: villager1 on Dec 18, 2008 1:50 AM
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A little like pretending that death only happens to other people and not to us! Some actually believe that too!
In light of the matters that interest the vast majority of humans (who consider themselves civilized), this topic is of no interest whatsoever.
I wonder how civilized we really are?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 18, 2008 3:05 AM
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At the same time, I'm not so sure about the "outlaw" part as it pertains to the rules of the road. I don't like idiots and maniacs in cars who don't follow the rules. Why would I like those qualities in a cyclist?
I'll admit that some members of the "vehicular cycling" crowd can be a bit fanatical. But I appreciate their general approach of fighting for cyclists' right to the road, while asking cyclists to behave more responsibly for safety and sanity's sake.
I don't really want to get in the face of either the gung-ho yuppie cyclists or the car people, or speak in terms of us and them; I'll save that for politics. All I want is to be able to get from point A to point B (or nowhere in particular) safely, at my own pace, and without any hassles. Whatever it takes, I'm glad folks are out there doing their thing and bringing more diversity to the bicycle world.
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» I agree about the outlaw part. And they must not know the nickname for helmetless cyclists:
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Posted by: akai ringo on Dec 18, 2008 3:11 AM
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Here, although cycling clubs etc. do, I believe, exist, they are not much in evidence, and the bicycle, increasingly in recent years, accompanying the growth in the elderly population, battery-assisted, is much more closely integrated into everyday life. Many supermarkets, particularly in crowded urban areas, do not even have car parks, and even in the case of those that do, the number of people doing their shopping by bicycle far exceeds the number using a car. Mothers with babies, with the baby sitting comfortably in its basket on the front of the cycle, are an everyday sight. Cycle riders here could certainly do with a dose of American-style traffic discipline; sometimes they ride on the sidewarlk, sometimes on the road, on the right and on the left, but in general, using a bicyle makes ecological common sense and may also be one contributory reason why you only rarely see a Japanese of any age who can be called obese.
Of course, your city planning system needs to be geared to the use of the bicycle. Because most people commute into work in large cities by public transport, every suburban station is surrounded by cycle parks, and unauthorized cycle parking is being clamped down on quite heavily. But as the no-oil era approaches, a cycke-based, instead of a car-based, way of life is perhaps something Americans might begin to contemplate.
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Posted by: Yankeeinexile on Dec 18, 2008 5:20 AM
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Actually, if you don't live in a close urban community where public transportation or walking get you to job/grocery/Dr., a car is a necessity. Of course you have to have a job and earn money to get the car, but you have to have the car to get to the job to get the money to get the car..... A horrible Catch-22 many poor find themselves in.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Dec 18, 2008 6:26 AM
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Sorry, but the won'drous advice of "riding bikes" just ain't gonna be practical out here for people like me, and the millions of others who live in rural areas. Would love to see you try and ride your bike down I80 here in Nebraska (bikes are forbidden on the interstate, btw).
Like so many other articles of this type, I find a disturbing ignorance on the part of the authors about middle America. They DO realize that the big land area between San Francisco and New York City IS occupied by people? Don't they? Or looking down from their 707 when flying over, do they imagine it occupied by Indians yet?
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» zooey- point well taken
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» RE: So--what about us in rural areas? Well, what about you? Not every article will apply directly
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» I think the biker's solution is for the suburbs and urban areas where traffic congestion is a major
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» Farmers are an exception
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 18, 2008 6:43 AM
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i live just outside of san francisco and the hills are HUGE from the coast, up and over, to the bay. there are not bike with power assist strong enough to get a person up a 1.5 mile hill with a 20% grade.
when that happens, biking will be accessible to most californians
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» RE: and in cities with huge hills?? What about cities with huge hills?
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» veggiegrrrl-Agreed! We have BIG hills where I live also
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» Doesn't SF have trolleys to address the hilly areas?
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» Builds character
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Posted by: Beck on Dec 18, 2008 7:12 AM
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Something has gone wrong. Maybe there's a kind of psychic enslavement that truly has snared some people and it just can't be avoided, and you aren't the "tribe" that's going to move us forward to a different way of life. But some of us feel very able to get free of what we can plainly see holding us back. There's enough frustration built into the system without solutions needing to be perfect before they can even be presented, needing to apply to everyone even if they're working for a sizable group already.
I don't see this as impossible, this move to a better way of life, and many writers and commenters don't either. If those of you who find every solution irritating and exclusive are right, we're doomed anyway. But maybe let the rest of us keep trying, and stop worrying if what I'm doing in my flat, crowded, polluted, extremely-bike-UNfriendly city doesn't apply to you. It's gaining steam here. If it can be growing here of all places, there is hope. Maybe sit back, relax, and then take a deep breath and yell, "YAY! People in Detroit are beginning to bike more, alot more! A bad way of life is changing! Good for you, former Motor City."
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Posted by: harpy on Dec 18, 2008 8:21 AM
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It sounds great, but unless you live in an area where everything is close by, with bike lanes, and relatively small amount of steep grades, this just won't work for most of us.
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» BTW, I live inside the city limits where
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» Um, in the winter, bikers (men and women) wear tights for comfort and protection.
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» Ah, you beat me to it. I'll admit bikes are looking like a better idea the worse traffic jams get.
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Posted by: doubter on Dec 18, 2008 9:11 AM
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Posted by: Uriahz on Dec 18, 2008 1:04 PM
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The fact is that due to the cultural and economic changes we are now undergoing, the era of cheap and easy commuting is coming to an end. People all over the country have seen their property values plummet. Well I've got news for you: those of you who don't live in biking distance (5 miles or so) of shopping and job opportunities will not see your property values recover. Cities that are bicycle unfriendly will be hit so much harder in the next five years than those places that are working to integrate and localize their infrastructure. I'll tell you right now: if you live in some far-flung exurban development, you are getting fucked in the near future, and hard. If all your neighborhood has is a couple gas stations, you will be getting fucked.
Just because gas is cheap right now doesn't mean it will be six months from now. It is artificially low right now because the foreign countries and corporations that set oil prices had raised their prices so much so fast that it caused an economic slowdown that threatened the worldwide demand for oil, and so they have cut back the price to keep the world economy from collapsing, and to discourage spending on sustainable energy. Yes, the price of oil is THAT important to the economy, as evidenced in the 70s during the oil embargo and the 80s-90s when cheap oil spurned massive development, the rise of exurbs and unbearably bad traffic all throughout the country. It's not okay. It's unsustainable and it's going to bankrupt a whole lot of folks in the next decade.
And incidentally, if it DOESN'T bankrupt a whole lot of folks in the next decade, we are truly and rightly fucked when the perils of climate change come knocking on our door. The fact is that the bike movement, in concert with the local organic food movement and the renewable energy movement and the global peace movement and the economic justice movement, which you might as well throw together under the rubric of a widespread and largely disorganized change movement that is ultimately identified by a real cultural shift among people all over the world, that shift we are seeing is the ONLY hope for the continued existence of civilization, with all its pacifying and health-promoting benefits. If we don't change our ways now, we go back to living to 45 years old if we're lucky, we go back to widespread global starvation, and endless wars with our neighbors and perceived enemies at home. We go back to the dark ages, and that's if we don't kill ourselves off entirely in the next century.
But there is an alternative, and those who pursue it will have a vastly more rewarding life. A life that is actually easier, that is less affected by the vagaries of economies and oil prices, that is more connected with our community, that is sustainable and stable and just and inclusive and free. It is possible, and the will to survive alone will make it happen, because the alternative is unacceptable. Change your ways. Cut your losses, and join the movement. Do your part, and together we can ensure that we and our children have a future worth looking forward to, one that doesn't have to mean the death of billions of people.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Dec 18, 2008 1:27 PM
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Cars really do serve a useful purpose, after all. There's no ready alternative for the simple chore of hauling groceries and shopping. Most of us aren't growing our own food or making our own stuff, and that means we need transportation.
Bikes are great for recreation, or maybe for short commutes if you don't have to haul a lot of cargo along. Or stop for groceries on the way home from work. So bikes will always be a niche, not very important for most of us most of the time.
Right?
Actually, there are two trends in bicycle design that might turn that conclusion on its head. One is the cargo utility bicycle. These come in many shapes and sizes, but a noteworthy one is embodied in the World Bike program (Google it for more info). The Yuba Mundo (Google that, too) is a model available in America which conforms to the World Bike mandate. It can haul up to 400+ lbs of cargo, yet looks and rides pretty much like bikes are expected to look and ride. Slightly scaled down from the Yuba Mundo is Surly's Big Dummy frame, designed to haul around 200+ lbs of cargo and still ride like the bikes we're all familiar with.
The other trend in bikes that is worth noting is electrification. The sad truth is that most of us (me included) aren't in the kind of physical shape that would make hauling a lot of cargo on a bike, especially in hilly terrain, very practical. Electrifying a bike can compensate for that little problem.
An electric-propulsion cargo utility bike can travel at a good clip, handle hills with ease, haul considerable cargo, and let you decide how hard to pedal.
There aren't, as yet, any ready-for-sale electric-propulsion cargo utility bikes available on the market in the US. But all the components exist. It's possible to build your own, or have a savvy bike shop do it for you.
I've commissioned a bike shop in North Carolina to build an electrified Big Dummy. It should be finished in January. It will be capable of putting out over 90+ ft-lbs of torque at low speed, so I don't expect hills to be a problem. It's got oversized panniers and a trailer hitch, and I've already acquired a Cycletote trailer to use with it. The bike will be capable of hauling as many groceries as you could possibly want to buy at one time. I wouldn't try to haul a sofa with it, but I think I could probably manage a big chair.
To encourage societal change, you don't have to ride your bike in the nude, or skip wearing a helmet, or obstruct traffic with hordes of obnoxious riders. You just have to think outside the box... and set an example.
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Posted by: rs_sternberg on Dec 18, 2008 2:54 PM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 18, 2008 2:57 PM
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Bikes are not without personal cost, no matter the "greater gud" religious folks ascribe to them.
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Posted by: PaulC on Dec 18, 2008 3:49 PM
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So, instead of making many impulsive short trips we might want to plan a "shopping run" that involves a circuitous path hitting maybe four or more stores in one trip, getting some nice exercise at the same time.
The problem we face is there are no bike paths or lanes and most roads are simply not safe to ride a bike on.
This is apparently not understood by the author when he states that:
"this generation does not have to rally around the demand for "good roads."
The truth is that probably 50 percent of the US population lives in or near the suburbs and lacks decent, safe roads to ride on.
This is no accident. It was carefully planned that way over the past 60 years by the auto industry that had a lock on the Dept. of Transportation (recall the recently ousted John Dingell). It has been almost impossible to get money allocated for anything that could possibly compete with automobiles, especially bike lanes or paths.
In fact, the macho "good-ol-boys-clubs" that run most municipalities throughout the country display open contempt for suggestions that they spend money to accommodate bicycles. There is a visceral dislike of people who are not "of the body", generally being a conservative Republican mindset closely aligned with the Chamber of Commerce.
Taking that one step further, that is why we have sprawl in the first place - the unholy marriage between developers and municipal officers.
That is why it is absolutely necessary for the federal government to lead the way with personal leadership from the President on lifestyle changes such as this, combined with federal dollars to increase its appeal to municipal leaders. Governors can play a huge role here as well.
peace,
Paul
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» I live in the suburbs and public transportation is nowhere in sight except for very few buses.
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» Avoid biking on car roads, use the railroads or canals instead
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» You raise a good point but
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Posted by: PaulC on Dec 19, 2008 3:59 PM
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Instead we disavowed all planning and let chaos and greed define our development. Just total ignorance - and that is what we have, an inefficient sprawling mess built around decaying urban cores that spread further outward each year like some sort of bacteria culture in a petri dish.
Surely to someone viewing all of this from afar it must appear as a virus spreading over the earth, with the earth taking on a fever, man choking on his waste until he destroys himself.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 19, 2008 7:06 PM
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While Obama is floating dump trucks of money on public works to put people back to work, we need to get pedestrian friendly and cyclist friendly projects in our community. The time to get the plans together is right now if not a long time ago.
The clock is running.
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Posted by: villager1 on Dec 18, 2008 1:50 AM
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A little like pretending that death only happens to other people and not to us! Some actually believe that too!
In light of the matters that interest the vast majority of humans (who consider themselves civilized), this topic is of no interest whatsoever.
I wonder how civilized we really are?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 18, 2008 3:05 AM
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At the same time, I'm not so sure about the "outlaw" part as it pertains to the rules of the road. I don't like idiots and maniacs in cars who don't follow the rules. Why would I like those qualities in a cyclist?
I'll admit that some members of the "vehicular cycling" crowd can be a bit fanatical. But I appreciate their general approach of fighting for cyclists' right to the road, while asking cyclists to behave more responsibly for safety and sanity's sake.
I don't really want to get in the face of either the gung-ho yuppie cyclists or the car people, or speak in terms of us and them; I'll save that for politics. All I want is to be able to get from point A to point B (or nowhere in particular) safely, at my own pace, and without any hassles. Whatever it takes, I'm glad folks are out there doing their thing and bringing more diversity to the bicycle world.
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» I agree about the outlaw part. And they must not know the nickname for helmetless cyclists:
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Posted by: akai ringo on Dec 18, 2008 3:11 AM
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Here, although cycling clubs etc. do, I believe, exist, they are not much in evidence, and the bicycle, increasingly in recent years, accompanying the growth in the elderly population, battery-assisted, is much more closely integrated into everyday life. Many supermarkets, particularly in crowded urban areas, do not even have car parks, and even in the case of those that do, the number of people doing their shopping by bicycle far exceeds the number using a car. Mothers with babies, with the baby sitting comfortably in its basket on the front of the cycle, are an everyday sight. Cycle riders here could certainly do with a dose of American-style traffic discipline; sometimes they ride on the sidewarlk, sometimes on the road, on the right and on the left, but in general, using a bicyle makes ecological common sense and may also be one contributory reason why you only rarely see a Japanese of any age who can be called obese.
Of course, your city planning system needs to be geared to the use of the bicycle. Because most people commute into work in large cities by public transport, every suburban station is surrounded by cycle parks, and unauthorized cycle parking is being clamped down on quite heavily. But as the no-oil era approaches, a cycke-based, instead of a car-based, way of life is perhaps something Americans might begin to contemplate.
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Posted by: Yankeeinexile on Dec 18, 2008 5:20 AM
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Actually, if you don't live in a close urban community where public transportation or walking get you to job/grocery/Dr., a car is a necessity. Of course you have to have a job and earn money to get the car, but you have to have the car to get to the job to get the money to get the car..... A horrible Catch-22 many poor find themselves in.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Dec 18, 2008 6:26 AM
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Sorry, but the won'drous advice of "riding bikes" just ain't gonna be practical out here for people like me, and the millions of others who live in rural areas. Would love to see you try and ride your bike down I80 here in Nebraska (bikes are forbidden on the interstate, btw).
Like so many other articles of this type, I find a disturbing ignorance on the part of the authors about middle America. They DO realize that the big land area between San Francisco and New York City IS occupied by people? Don't they? Or looking down from their 707 when flying over, do they imagine it occupied by Indians yet?
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» zooey- point well taken
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 18, 2008 6:43 AM
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i live just outside of san francisco and the hills are HUGE from the coast, up and over, to the bay. there are not bike with power assist strong enough to get a person up a 1.5 mile hill with a 20% grade.
when that happens, biking will be accessible to most californians
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» RE: and in cities with huge hills?? What about cities with huge hills?
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» veggiegrrrl-Agreed! We have BIG hills where I live also
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» RE: veggiegrrrl-Agreed! We have BIG hills where I live also
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» Doesn't SF have trolleys to address the hilly areas?
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» Builds character
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Posted by: Beck on Dec 18, 2008 7:12 AM
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Something has gone wrong. Maybe there's a kind of psychic enslavement that truly has snared some people and it just can't be avoided, and you aren't the "tribe" that's going to move us forward to a different way of life. But some of us feel very able to get free of what we can plainly see holding us back. There's enough frustration built into the system without solutions needing to be perfect before they can even be presented, needing to apply to everyone even if they're working for a sizable group already.
I don't see this as impossible, this move to a better way of life, and many writers and commenters don't either. If those of you who find every solution irritating and exclusive are right, we're doomed anyway. But maybe let the rest of us keep trying, and stop worrying if what I'm doing in my flat, crowded, polluted, extremely-bike-UNfriendly city doesn't apply to you. It's gaining steam here. If it can be growing here of all places, there is hope. Maybe sit back, relax, and then take a deep breath and yell, "YAY! People in Detroit are beginning to bike more, alot more! A bad way of life is changing! Good for you, former Motor City."
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Posted by: harpy on Dec 18, 2008 8:21 AM
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It sounds great, but unless you live in an area where everything is close by, with bike lanes, and relatively small amount of steep grades, this just won't work for most of us.
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» Um, in the winter, bikers (men and women) wear tights for comfort and protection.
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» Ah, you beat me to it. I'll admit bikes are looking like a better idea the worse traffic jams get.
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» Show up to work sweat-soaked, So?
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» Sweat
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Posted by: doubter on Dec 18, 2008 9:11 AM
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Posted by: Uriahz on Dec 18, 2008 1:04 PM
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The fact is that due to the cultural and economic changes we are now undergoing, the era of cheap and easy commuting is coming to an end. People all over the country have seen their property values plummet. Well I've got news for you: those of you who don't live in biking distance (5 miles or so) of shopping and job opportunities will not see your property values recover. Cities that are bicycle unfriendly will be hit so much harder in the next five years than those places that are working to integrate and localize their infrastructure. I'll tell you right now: if you live in some far-flung exurban development, you are getting fucked in the near future, and hard. If all your neighborhood has is a couple gas stations, you will be getting fucked.
Just because gas is cheap right now doesn't mean it will be six months from now. It is artificially low right now because the foreign countries and corporations that set oil prices had raised their prices so much so fast that it caused an economic slowdown that threatened the worldwide demand for oil, and so they have cut back the price to keep the world economy from collapsing, and to discourage spending on sustainable energy. Yes, the price of oil is THAT important to the economy, as evidenced in the 70s during the oil embargo and the 80s-90s when cheap oil spurned massive development, the rise of exurbs and unbearably bad traffic all throughout the country. It's not okay. It's unsustainable and it's going to bankrupt a whole lot of folks in the next decade.
And incidentally, if it DOESN'T bankrupt a whole lot of folks in the next decade, we are truly and rightly fucked when the perils of climate change come knocking on our door. The fact is that the bike movement, in concert with the local organic food movement and the renewable energy movement and the global peace movement and the economic justice movement, which you might as well throw together under the rubric of a widespread and largely disorganized change movement that is ultimately identified by a real cultural shift among people all over the world, that shift we are seeing is the ONLY hope for the continued existence of civilization, with all its pacifying and health-promoting benefits. If we don't change our ways now, we go back to living to 45 years old if we're lucky, we go back to widespread global starvation, and endless wars with our neighbors and perceived enemies at home. We go back to the dark ages, and that's if we don't kill ourselves off entirely in the next century.
But there is an alternative, and those who pursue it will have a vastly more rewarding life. A life that is actually easier, that is less affected by the vagaries of economies and oil prices, that is more connected with our community, that is sustainable and stable and just and inclusive and free. It is possible, and the will to survive alone will make it happen, because the alternative is unacceptable. Change your ways. Cut your losses, and join the movement. Do your part, and together we can ensure that we and our children have a future worth looking forward to, one that doesn't have to mean the death of billions of people.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Dec 18, 2008 1:27 PM
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Cars really do serve a useful purpose, after all. There's no ready alternative for the simple chore of hauling groceries and shopping. Most of us aren't growing our own food or making our own stuff, and that means we need transportation.
Bikes are great for recreation, or maybe for short commutes if you don't have to haul a lot of cargo along. Or stop for groceries on the way home from work. So bikes will always be a niche, not very important for most of us most of the time.
Right?
Actually, there are two trends in bicycle design that might turn that conclusion on its head. One is the cargo utility bicycle. These come in many shapes and sizes, but a noteworthy one is embodied in the World Bike program (Google it for more info). The Yuba Mundo (Google that, too) is a model available in America which conforms to the World Bike mandate. It can haul up to 400+ lbs of cargo, yet looks and rides pretty much like bikes are expected to look and ride. Slightly scaled down from the Yuba Mundo is Surly's Big Dummy frame, designed to haul around 200+ lbs of cargo and still ride like the bikes we're all familiar with.
The other trend in bikes that is worth noting is electrification. The sad truth is that most of us (me included) aren't in the kind of physical shape that would make hauling a lot of cargo on a bike, especially in hilly terrain, very practical. Electrifying a bike can compensate for that little problem.
An electric-propulsion cargo utility bike can travel at a good clip, handle hills with ease, haul considerable cargo, and let you decide how hard to pedal.
There aren't, as yet, any ready-for-sale electric-propulsion cargo utility bikes available on the market in the US. But all the components exist. It's possible to build your own, or have a savvy bike shop do it for you.
I've commissioned a bike shop in North Carolina to build an electrified Big Dummy. It should be finished in January. It will be capable of putting out over 90+ ft-lbs of torque at low speed, so I don't expect hills to be a problem. It's got oversized panniers and a trailer hitch, and I've already acquired a Cycletote trailer to use with it. The bike will be capable of hauling as many groceries as you could possibly want to buy at one time. I wouldn't try to haul a sofa with it, but I think I could probably manage a big chair.
To encourage societal change, you don't have to ride your bike in the nude, or skip wearing a helmet, or obstruct traffic with hordes of obnoxious riders. You just have to think outside the box... and set an example.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 18, 2008 2:57 PM
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Bikes are not without personal cost, no matter the "greater gud" religious folks ascribe to them.
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Posted by: PaulC on Dec 18, 2008 3:49 PM
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So, instead of making many impulsive short trips we might want to plan a "shopping run" that involves a circuitous path hitting maybe four or more stores in one trip, getting some nice exercise at the same time.
The problem we face is there are no bike paths or lanes and most roads are simply not safe to ride a bike on.
This is apparently not understood by the author when he states that:
"this generation does not have to rally around the demand for "good roads."
The truth is that probably 50 percent of the US population lives in or near the suburbs and lacks decent, safe roads to ride on.
This is no accident. It was carefully planned that way over the past 60 years by the auto industry that had a lock on the Dept. of Transportation (recall the recently ousted John Dingell). It has been almost impossible to get money allocated for anything that could possibly compete with automobiles, especially bike lanes or paths.
In fact, the macho "good-ol-boys-clubs" that run most municipalities throughout the country display open contempt for suggestions that they spend money to accommodate bicycles. There is a visceral dislike of people who are not "of the body", generally being a conservative Republican mindset closely aligned with the Chamber of Commerce.
Taking that one step further, that is why we have sprawl in the first place - the unholy marriage between developers and municipal officers.
That is why it is absolutely necessary for the federal government to lead the way with personal leadership from the President on lifestyle changes such as this, combined with federal dollars to increase its appeal to municipal leaders. Governors can play a huge role here as well.
peace,
Paul
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» I live in the suburbs and public transportation is nowhere in sight except for very few buses.
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» Avoid biking on car roads, use the railroads or canals instead
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» You raise a good point but
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Posted by: PaulC on Dec 19, 2008 3:59 PM
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Instead we disavowed all planning and let chaos and greed define our development. Just total ignorance - and that is what we have, an inefficient sprawling mess built around decaying urban cores that spread further outward each year like some sort of bacteria culture in a petri dish.
Surely to someone viewing all of this from afar it must appear as a virus spreading over the earth, with the earth taking on a fever, man choking on his waste until he destroys himself.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 19, 2008 7:06 PM
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While Obama is floating dump trucks of money on public works to put people back to work, we need to get pedestrian friendly and cyclist friendly projects in our community. The time to get the plans together is right now if not a long time ago.
The clock is running.
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