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Nations Go Head-to-Head at Climate Conference in Poznan

The Progress Report. Posted December 5, 2008.


The Poznan summit is under way and the stakes could not be higher. Here's how it is progressing.
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This piece was written by Faiz Shakir, Amanda Terkel, Satyam Khanna, Matt Corley, Benjamin Armbruster, Ali Frick, and Ryan Powers.

Representatives from 190 countries are meeting in Poznan, Poland from Dec. 1-12 to work on the successor to the Kyoto Protocol, the global warming treaty ratified by 180 nations since 1998 that the United States has refused to ratify.  The Poznan summit, the "14th conference of parties to the climate convention," is the last full meeting before next December's conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, where negotiations are set to conclude.

The stakes could not be higher. Venice is under water, with climate change being "the main culprit." Global warming is creating refugees from Bangladesh to Brazil, and is expected to "become the main driver of refugee movements," creating at least 250 million climate refugees by 2050. In the United States, global warming is increasing drought along the Colorado River, stoking wildfires in California, and worsening floods in the Midwest. This is last conference at which the United States will be represented by the do-nothing Bush administration. "After eight years of obstruction and delay and denial," Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), who is attending the conference on behalf of President-elect Obama, promised that "the United States is going to rejoin the world community in tackling this global challenge."

CLIMATE RESCUE: A group of 43 small island states, at imminent risk of disappearing below rising seas, are calling for a stronger response to the climate crisis. "We are not prepared to sign a suicide agreement that causes small island states to disappear," Selwin Hart of Barbados, a coordinator of the alliance of small island states, told Reuters. Developing nations like the island states are the hardest hit by the climate crisis, and the least to blame. On Tuesday, the least developed countries "said global warming should be limited to a maximum of 1.5 Celsius (2.7 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial times," by requiring concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, now at 387 parts per million, to be reduced to 350 ppm. Over 500 young people from fifty different countries are attending the Poznan conference as the International Youth Delegation, representing another constituency not responsible for the crisis but destined to bear the consequences. They too are calling for a "climate rescue plan" with the 350 ppm target, in order "to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted" and avoid "irreversible catastrophic effects."


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Would the extinction of the human species have enough economic impact for them?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 8:43 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Global Warming can lead to Hydrogen Sulfide gas coming out of
the oceans. Hydrogen Sulfide gas will Kill all people. Homo
Sap will go EXTINCT unless drastic action is taken NOW.

October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:

Scientific American

....................Most of the article omitted......................
But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
PennState

"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

Astrobiology 1

Astrobiology 2

Astrobiology 3

Astrobiology 4

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1.3 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
Six Degrees

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

OIL SHALE, TAR SANDS AND COAL MUST BE LEFT IN
THE GROUND TO AVOID THE EXTINCTION OF US
HUMANS.
We have to convert to plug-in hybrid cars so that electricity made
by low-CO2 methods powers most of our driving. Nuclear power
produces the least CO2 of ANY source of electricity.
32 countries have nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb.
The top 4 producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal
fired power plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China,
India and Russia. Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050
requires drastic action in the USA, China, India and Russia.
Coal, oil shale and tar sands must be left untouched in the ground.

I have no connection to the nuclear power industry.

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Finding truth on the web: Don't believe the top articles Google gives you. They are paid for. Go to the bottom of the list.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 8:56 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Reference: "Google and the myth of universal knowledge"
by Jean-Noel Jeanneney 2007 The original is in French.

When you do a Google search, you get "sponsored" links
on the right side and "non-sponsored" links on the left.
The "NON-SPONSORED" links on Google ARE LISTED
IN THE ORDER OF THE HIGHEST BIDDER to lowest
bidder. Companies pay dollars to Google to get web sites
other than their own that lie in favor of the paying company
to be at the top of the "non-sponsored" list. Google search
results in your getting nothing but corporate propaganda.
Since the coal industry has a $100 Billion per year income
at stake, they can and must share a lot of money with
Google.

Page 32: 62% of internet users questioned make no
distinction whatever between advertising and other
information, and only 18% proved capable of telling which
data were paid for by companies for their promotion and
which were not."
"92% of users of search engines have full confidence in the
results of their search, and 71% (users for less than five
years) consider that information from this source [Google]
is never biased in any way."

Suggestion: Use only Google Advanced or Google Scholar.
On Google Advanced, specify either the .gov domain or the
.edu domain. Otherwise, use only web sites that
www.RealClimate.org uses.

Better yet: Get a degree in science so that you can figure
it out for yourself.
George W. Bush messed up as many government
web sites as he could get away with, but your chances are
still clearly better than going to the richest propagandist
.com or .org.

There should be a law requiring Google to disclose the above
and the donors and the dollars for each "non-sponsored" link.
Environmentalists should work on Google legislation first.

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Efficiency is NOT the answer because CO2 production is the problem.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 9:38 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We can use as much energy as we want without affecting the
climate as long as we get the energy without making CO2.

Efficiency can NOT reduce global warming except by reducing
CO2 production. It is CO2 that is causing global warming, NOT
energy use. Don't think efficiency or how much energy we are
using. Think only about CO2 production.

How do we know it is CO2 that is doing it? Starting in the 19th
century, many physicists have spent their entire careers measuring
the optical properties of gasses. Physicists are still measuring the
optical properties of substances. The absorption spectrum of CO2
is very well known. Of course we measured the optical
properties of every possible gas in the atmosphere many times,
just to make sure. We know that it is CO2 that is trapping heat
that would otherwise escape into space. We also know that the
surface of Venus is so hot it glows a dull red; and that Venus has
a very dense atmosphere of almost all CO2. The CO2 is as dense
as water at the surface of Venus.

We know that any excess heat would immediately radiate into
space if the earth had no atmosphere. That is what happens on
the moon and Mars. Mars is very cold and lunar night is very
cold.

The first thing to do to reduce our CO2 production by 90% is to
quit burning fossil fuels. Burning coal to make electricity is the
biggest wedge, at 40%, and the only full time replacement for
everybody is nuclear power.

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Global Warming WILL impact jobs, food and government in the US rather soon.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 9:52 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Reference: "Six Degrees" by Mark Lynas Downloaded from:
Six steps to hell

The following is an article by Mark Lynas based on his book Six Degrees: Our
Future on a Hotter Planet. It was published in the Guardian on 23 April 2007.

1ºC: Nebraska isn’t at the top of most tourists’ to-do lists. However, this dreary
expanse of impossibly flat plains sits in the middle of one of the most productive
agricultural systems on Earth. Beef and corn dominate the economy, and the Sand
Hills region – where low, grassy hillocks rise up from the flatlands – has some of
the best cattle ranching in the whole US. But scratch beneath the grass and you
will find, as the name suggests, not soil but sand. These innocuous-looking hills
were once desert, part of an immense system of sand dunes that spread across the
Great Plains from Texas in the south to the Canadian prairies in the north. Six
thousand years ago, when temperatures were about 1C warmer than today in the
US, these deserts may have looked much as the Sahara does today. As global
warming bites, the western US could once again be plagued by perennial drought –
devastating agriculture and driving out human inhabitants on a scale far larger than
the 1930s “Dustbowl” exodus.

1ºC is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit. Since the year 1750, we have already caused 1.3
degrees Fahrenheit of global warming. You didn't notice it because you are not
300 years old. The rate of global warming continues to speed up. It won't take
much longer. Only another half a degree Fahrenheit and Americans stop eating.
American civilization collapses and 99.99% of all Americans and Europeans die.
Cannibalism happens. YOU and I will be among the dead.
Read: "Collapse" by Jared Diamond and "The Long Summer" by Brian Fagan.
Something like 2 dozen civilizations have already disappeared because of climate
changes smaller than the one we have already caused. Starvation was the cause of
death.

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If you are thinking about dissing nuclear power:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 10:00 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Think again. Read my posts on previous articles. You know I
will blow you out of the water. So be nice so that I won't have
to.

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If you are thinking about dissing nuclear power:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 10:01 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Think again. Read my posts on previous articles. You know I
will blow you out of the water. So be nice so that I won't have
to.

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If you are thinking about dissing nuclear power:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 10:01 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Think again. Read my posts on previous articles. You know I
will blow you out of the water. So be nice so that I won't have
to.

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If you are thinking about dissing nuclear power:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 5, 2008 10:03 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Think again. Read my posts on previous articles. You know I
will blow you out of the water. So be nice so that I won't have
to.

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Physical Reality versus Corporate Delusion
Posted by: Last Chance on Dec 5, 2008 10:55 PM   
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If the Poznan Summit fails to admit and deal with the fact that planet Earth cannot support a relentlessly growing human population and its expanding industrial markets, then it will fail in whatever mission it seeks to accomplish. The present economic recession offers an opportunity to re-shape human society into continental networks of self-reliant eco-tech villages that govern themselves to live at peace with each other and in balance with Nature. Failing that endeavor will result in the collapse of this living Earth and extinction of the human species.

Two absolutely indispensible priorities are --

1. Safely recycle 100% of all garbage and waste.

2. Establish family planning clinics Worldwide, and guarantee to each and every women the legally protected right to decide if and when to birth her children.

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