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Zombie Economics: Don't Bail out the System that Gave Us SUVs and Strip Malls

By James Howard Kunstler, Kunstler.com. Posted November 25, 2008.


Why squander our remaining resources on a lifestyle that doesn't have a future?
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Though Citicorp is deemed too big to fail, it's hardly reassuring to know that it's been allowed to sink its fangs into the Mother Zombie that the U.S. Treasury has become and sucked out a multibillion dollar dose of embalming fluid so it can go on pretending to be a bank for a while longer.

I employ this somewhat clunky metaphor to point out that the U.S. government is no more solvent than the financial zombies it is keeping on walking-dead support. And so this serial mummery of weekend bailout schemes is as much of a fraud and a swindle as the algorithm-derived-securities shenanigans that induced the disease of bank zombification in the first place. The main question it raises is whether, eventually, the creation of evermore zombified U.S. dollars will exceed the amount of previously created U.S. dollars now vanishing into oblivion through compressive debt deflation.

My guess, given the usual time-lag factor, is that the super-inflation snapback will occur 6 to 18 months from now. And the main result of all this will be our inability to buy the imported oil that comprises two-thirds of the oil we require to keep WalMart and Walt Disney World running. At some point, then, in the early months of the Obama administration, we'll learn that "change" is not a set of mere lifestyle choices but a wrenching transition away from all our familiar and comfortable habits into a stark and rigorous new economic landscape.

The credit economy is dead, and the dead credit residue of that dead economy is going where dead things go. It came into the world as "money," and it is going out of this world as a death-dealing disease, and we're not going to get over this disease until we stop generating additional zombie money out of no productive activity whatsoever. The campaign to sustain the unsustainable is, besides war, the greatest pitfall this society can stumble into. It represents a squandering of our remaining scant resources and can only produce the kind of extreme political disappointment that wrecks nations and leads to major conflicts between them. I don't know how much Mr. Obama buys into the current adopt-a-zombie program -- his Treasury designee, Timothy Geithner, was apparently in on this weekend's Citicorp deal -- but the president-elect would be wise to steer clear of whatever the walking dead in the Bush corner are still up to.

All the activities based on getting something for nothing are dead or dying now, in particular, buying houses and cars on credit, and so it should not be a surprise that the two major victims are the housing and car industries. Notice, by the way, that these are the two major ingredients of an economy based on building suburban sprawl. That's over, too. We're done building it, and the stuff we've already built is destined to lose both money value and usefulness as the wrenching transition goes forward.

All this obviously begs the question: What kind of economy are we going to live in if the old one is toast? Well, it's also pretty obvious that it will have to be based on activities productively aimed at keeping human beings alive in an ecology that has a future. Once you grasp this, you will see that there is no reason to despair and more than enough for all of us to do, so we can recover from the zombie nation disease and get on with the next chapter of American history -- and I sure hope that Mr. Obama will get with the new program.

To be specific about this new economy, we're going to have to make things again, and raise things out of the earth, locally, and trade these things for money of some kind that we earn through our own productive activities. Don't make the mistake of thinking this is optional. The only other option is to go through a violent sociopolitical convulsion. We ought to know from prior examples in world history that this is not a desirable experience. So, to avoid that, we really have to put our shoulders to the wheel and get to work on things that matter, and do it at a scale that is consistent with what the world really has to offer right now, especially in terms of available energy.

In my view -- and I know this is controversial -- a much larger proportion of the U.S. population will have to be employed in growing the food we eat. There are many ways of arranging this, some more fair than others, and I hope the better angels of our nature steer us in the direction of fairness and justice. The prospects of a devalued dollar imply that we very shortly will not be able to get the all the oil-and-gas-based "inputs" that have made petro-agriculture possible the past century. The consequences of this are so unthinkable that we have not been thinking about it. And, of course, the further implications of current land-use allocation, and the property-ownership issues entailed, suggests formidable difficulties in rearranging the farming sector. The sooner we face all this, the better.

As the fiesta of "globalism" (Tom Friedman style) draws to a close -- another consequence of currency problems -- we'll have to figure out how to make things in this country again. We will not be manufacturing things at the scale, or in the manner, we were used to in, say, 1962. We'll have to do it far more modestly, using much more meager amounts of energy than we did in the past. My guess is that we will get the electricity for doing this mostly from water. It may actually be too late -- from a remaining-capital-resources point of view -- to ramp up a new phase of the nuclear power industry (and there are plenty of arguments from the practical and economic to the ethical against it). But we have to hold a public discussion about it, if only to clear the air and get on with other things, namely the new activities of alt.energy. But I would hasten to warn readers that we'll probably have to do these things more modestly, too (don't count on giant wind "farms"), and that we are liable to be disappointed by what they can actually provide for us (don't expect to run WalMart on wind, solar, algae fuels, etc.).


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and stock market had one of the biggest rise on the day city bank was shown to be insolvent!!
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 25, 2008 12:53 AM   
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The city bank-the biggest bank isn america i=has to be rescued by the govt. and the stock markets rise!! that shows that stock market and the whole economy is rigged by the angnloamwericans to benefit only england and america . itis their endevuour to make other countries ' economy dependent on stock market so that the anglosaxon can manipulate the amrket. after all england and america is economically dead anfd bankrupt but no body is preparing for funeral, while the same countries are too eager to bring other countries economy to stanstill through stock amrket manipulation.
that stock market which is completely riiged to favour the anglosaxon races as long as the charade can go on.

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===Japan’s yen crisis – payback for the “carry trade”

Nowhere has this been more the case in Japan, whose economy has remained in the doldrums ever since its bubble burst in 1990. For seventeen years straight, quarter after quarter, Japanese land prices fell, and so did stock market prices – and hence, the collateral pledged as backing for loans. This quickly left Japan’s banks with negative equity. The Bank of Japan’s response was to devise a way for them to rebuild their balance sheets – to “earn their way” out of the bad loans they had made.

The policy was not to revive the faltering domestic market in Japan or its industrial corporations. From 1945 through 1985, Japanese had a model industrial banking system. But in 1985, U.S. diplomats asked Japan to please commit economic suicide. Angered by the striking success of Japanese industry, U.S. officials asked their compliant Japanese counterparts to raise the yen’s exchange rate so as to make its industrial exporters less competitive, and in due course to flood its own economy with credit so as to lower interest rates, thereby enabling the Federal Reserve to flood the U.S. market with enough cheap credit to give a patina of prosperity to the Reagan Administration. This policy – announced in the Plaza Accord of 1985 – led economist David Hale to joke that the Bank of Japan was acting as the Thirteenth Federal Reserve District and the Japanese government as the Republican Re-election Committee.

Japan flooded its economy with credit, lowering interest rates and fueling the world’s largest real estate bubble of the 1980s. The stock market also soared to reflect the rise in Japanese industrial sales and earnings. But after the bubble burst on December 31, 1989, the mortgage debts and stock that that Japanese banks held in their capital reserves fell short of the valuation needed to back their deposit liabilities. To help bail out the banks, Japan’s government urged them to engage in what has become known as the “carry trade”: lending freely created yen credits to foreign financial institutions at remarkably low rates, for these borrowers to convert into other currencies to buy bonds or other assets yielding a higher rate. If the domestic Japanese market lacked credit-worthy borrowers, let them lend to foreigners. As a new source of revenue for the banks in place of loans to domestic real estate and industry, low interest rates enabled them to flood the global economy with credit. This served global finance by providing speculators and “financial intermediaries” with an opportunity to get a free arbitrage ride.==


from---Scrawny Geese; No More Golden Egg
Scenes From the Global Class War
October 27, 2008

By MICHAEL HUDSON

http://www.counterpunch.org/

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I Love Kuntsler but ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 25, 2008 12:58 AM   
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I think things are not so bleak. I do believe that the next four years will decide how our future will play out.

We must get to an electrified system. First and foremost that means cars. To deal with our trade deficits we must get off of foreign oil. We need to employ battery electric vehicles which will mean a monumental change in our collective psyche. Shorter ranges for our driving and at much lower speeds. Currently cars can go on for as long as the driver can stay awake. The new electric cars will have ranges of about 100- 200 miles at speeds of less than 45MPH.

The longer we borrow money to maintain our lifestyle the deeper the hole we will have to crawl out of.

There will have to be other changes. The failure of the Consumption Economy will mean fewer jobs. Workweeks will have to shrink to employ more people which means a less expensive lifestyle as paychecks shrink.

These changes can be met, must be met, because as Kuntsler noted the alternative is a violent and chaotic one.

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» RE: I Love Kuntsler but ... Posted by: peakoiler
» RE: I Love Kuntsler but ... Posted by: mmckinl
» You make some good points but ... Posted by: tommy_slothrop
More BUSH-ZARRO Tinkle Down ECONOMICS, "IT'S ALIVE!"
Posted by: Ottomatic on Nov 25, 2008 3:31 AM   
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The American People bend over backwards and
Paulson spanks them on the REAR!
Remind you of Cat-lick School?
Sorry, Father for I have sinned.
Where would we be without The Puppet Bass-turds?
Without usury?
In a much better place:
without
Emperor Ratschild and his blood sucking Clones.
They’ve stolen half of everything and still want the rest.
Now that’s what I call GREED!
CAPITALISM will never save you.
It’s based on a false premise,
GREED!
They are too busy thinking about themselves to help anyone else.
They’re selfish Schmucks!
Opt OUT!
Pump as much money as you want into the Corpirate Banking System and
It will still fail.
It has a huge hole in it!
There is no bottom!
The Bucket is empty!

It is a waste of time.
It’s DEAD!
Put a stake in it and
START OVER!

Where did all the money go?
Hell, I don't know!

FLUSH it down the Toilet!
FLUSH!, FLUSH!, FLUSH!
FLUSH it down the Toilet.
Give all your resources to the people who have robbed you already and have no Scrupples.
Yea, that’s the ticket!
Any system based on a negative human trait such as GREED must FAIL.
Good Riddance and Goodbye!
The Market has spoken.
Capitalism is a sham.
Start over!
End Corporate Servitude!
Corporations are Machines controlled by the Wealthy.
Take away corporate Human Rights.
We are the Victims here.
These Corporate parasites on feeding on U.S.
Leches trying to suck the last drop of Blood out of your veins.
What to do?
Save yourself, your family, your neighbors and your Community.
It is more important to as the Chump said, “Put food on your family”.
Or do you trust MONO-Saint-Co to do it?
Mr. Terminator Genes.

Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic.
Start in your own backyard
Take back your liberty.
Become self reliant, sufficient and efficient.
Take back everything they’ve stolen.
Break FREE!
Be true to your own positive Values, Goals and Ideals.
Declare Independence today!
Join,
The Micro Democracy
REVOLUTION!

SURGE
PURGE
Update and
REBOOT!

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Credit is dead no doubt.
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 25, 2008 4:01 AM   
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Everything's been rendered worthless over the years. If 700b taught us anything, it's not a bailout but robbery made "legal" for the perpetrators.

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take heed of the prophet
Posted by: peakoiler on Nov 25, 2008 4:06 AM   
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this is about the only person saying anything remotely sensible about these problems -what we would have to do to stop the unfolding "clusterfuck" - what kunstler doesn't realize (though maybe he does and is not saying) is that the worst case scenario he alludes to is evolutionary a forgone conclusion due to entropy and maximum power - achebe said it best - things fall apart - there won't be a world made by hand - only a die off of detrivores! we're all living dead and don't even know it

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Great piece, Kunstler!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 25, 2008 4:33 AM   
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I've been reading your blog for about a year and you're always spot on. Your blog is the best one out there. Better than Huffington. Better than any of them. Hats off to you.

Yes, I think that there will be some eventual silver linings behind this depressingly dark cloud. Sooner or later, the american economy will reform itself. A few years ago, I visited a small town in Central Pennsylvania where I briefly attended prep school over three decades ago. I hadn't been there since 1973. The little village I remember had a thriving market place - a pharmacy, a record store, a diner, a hair stylist - you name it.

When I visited there a few years ago, I was shocked at the change; a fucking ghost town. The little village had been WalMarted out of existence. Maybe it will come back some day.

It's The Most Wonderful Time of the Year

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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By the way....
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 25, 2008 4:47 AM   
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Here's a link to Jim Kunstler's blog. Like AlterNet, it is required reading:

JIM KUNSTLER

Happy reading, kiddies!

Tom Degan

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The Shock Doctrine- The US Tour
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 25, 2008 4:59 AM   
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Now looting an economy near you...

When shall you wake up and smell the coffee?

The President with the most disastrous tenure in modern history is on the way out, the Democrats regain effective control of Congress and Americans are truly concerned about the economy and their future.

Sounds like a perfect storm for progressive politics- right?

Wrong.

We have a de facto DLC Rethugnican -lite giving us the third Clinton term. The Electoral College hasn't even met yet and he's buying into the looting of our nation by Wall Street. He's already discussing keeping the Bush Tax Policy in play through 2011, he's waffling on NAFTA and other 'Free Trade' Deals and I'm sure he will cave on Card Check. What a leader.

You have traded a Harvard educated fratboy from the establishment for a Harvard educated lawyer that has bought into the establishment. University of Chicago- no less, ground zero for NeoCon economics, deregulation, privatization and all the rest. All in a progressive happy wrapper for limousine liberals to salve themselves with.

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morning Joe
Posted by: Lauren on Nov 25, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Mr Brzezinski was surprised by the rebound in the dollar. He expected it to be continuing it's slide. Not me! He thought it should be tanking like the Russian ruble.

What he is failing to notice on the global economy is the impact of the money laundering of the drug war, a much bigger part of the Russian economy that ours. So ending the drug war tanked their stock market while it had a more mixed effect in the US of tanking the dirty parts ot the market, thus supporting the good bits of our economy overall, raising the value of the dollar.

Eliminating corruption raises the value of the dollar, but not the ruble. I was surprised he missed it, it is not every day one knows something an important man like Dr Brzezinski doesn't know. Made my day.

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» RE: morning Joe Posted by: jon B
news flash kids... we got 'em on the run...
Posted by: ellie on Nov 25, 2008 7:02 AM   
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and they are scared that we the peeps have pulled back from spending so far that it's now our fault personally for not spending what we don't have... doesn't matter that jobs and housing are tanking fast for average families...

not to worry, hank and the gang are not just going to bail out citi lock stock and barrel, but now there is a game plan for the rest of us that is shhhhh... super secret right now... ahhh, love little leaks that start hearts fluttering on wall street... not...

now these idiots are looking at a bailout to get us back on their track with credit cards, private lender student loan companies and continuing the debt cycle with us included this time...

"...The Fed program for consumer debt will lend up to $200 billion to the holders of securities backed by various types of consumer loans such as credit cards, auto and student loans. The goal is to provide greater demand for these securities as a way of lowering interest rates consumers are paying and to make these loans more available."

does anyone else see the problem that now after we are so deep in hock it will take 7 generations to dig this country out, we are going to be expected to borrow more $$ from these morons on OUR tax $$ so we can go deeper personally into debt???

amazing!!!!! heard an economic analysis this past sunday that we shouldn't expect to see rock bottom for another 18 months and we'll know when it hits because hyper inflation will kick in at the same time!!!

if we just revolt with our wallets, we can do more damage to this house of financial cards then a standing army when $$ starts to flow back into our wallets again and we stay on the pay-as-you-go plan...

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RE: Interest-free Treasury money
Posted by: yellow on Nov 29, 2008 1:30 PM   
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The Fed's Federal Funds rate is not really the benchmark for most long term US interest rates like the 30 year mortgage rate of the 10 and 30 year Treasuy Bonds; it is the London Inter-Bank Offered Rate (LIBOR)which benchmarks most of the world's capital markets. This has been the consequence of global capital market deepening as well as the removal of all capital controls.

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Vampire Appliances and Toadywear
Posted by: stellabloo on Nov 25, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Before we all scamper over to Walmart like a flock of bleating sheep to buy the scaled-down chinese version of a Consumer Christmas, let's take a moment for some quiet introspection, shall we?

Is there anything ever again in this lifetime that can justify the mindless accumulation of cheap plastic crap, in particular battery-operated cheap plastic crap and labour-saving appliances? Carbon footprint and slave labour aside, billions of tons of plastic (and batteries) already sit rotting in your landfills, leaching into your aquifers.

The most common vote is the one you make with your dollars. Who are your dollars enriching today? What do you know about the company whose pockets YOU are lining?

In all this talk of unplugging your cellphone charger, where is the mention of (perish forbid!)hanging up your jeans to dry instead of running the dryer for an hour? The individual who puts some real north american softwood dowels together to create a sturdy wooden drying rack stands to make a fortune at this point - hint hint - but NO, we are overwhelmed with disposable crap instead and spoonfed soma and celebrity 'news'.

Do they even have Walden's Pond in the school curriculum anymore? Or is it all canned lit and canned news and hi-gloss advertising? Have we not learned a damm thing from "The Grinch That Stole Christmas" - all the Whos down in Whoville are standing there going "BOO-HOO" ... right on cue :.(

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» RE: Vampire Appliances and Toadywear Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
We Must Prepare for Peak Oil
Posted by: cjwirth on Nov 25, 2008 9:00 AM   
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According to most independent studies, global oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time demand will increase 9%.

No one can reverse this trend, nor can we conserve our way out of this catastrophe. Because the demand for oil is so high, it will always exceed production levels; thus oil depletion will continue steadily until all recoverable oil is extracted.
Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment. The Energy Watch Group (funded by the German Parliament) concludes in a current report titled: “Peak Oil Could Trigger Meltdown of Society:”

"By 2020, and even more by 2030, global oil supply will be dramatically lower. This will create a supply gap which can hardly be closed by growing contributions from other fossil, nuclear or alternative energy sources in this time frame."

http://www.globaliamagazine.com/?id=482
We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from "outside," and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems.

This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html

I used to live in NH-USA, but moved to a sustainable place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area with a good climate and good soil? Email: clifford dot wirth at yahoo dot com or give me a phone call which operates here as my old USA-NH number 603-668-4207. http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/

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» RE: We Must Prepare for Peak Oil Posted by: richholland
Thank you
Posted by: Naomi St on Nov 25, 2008 9:34 AM   
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This article is courageous and creative. I am so happy to have these ideas so coherently articulated. If we don't circulate these logical solutions, how will they ever materialize. Step by step ...

Hard working, humble, heartful...let's hear it for the heavy-hitting community minded folks who make it real

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Don't follow the British model
Posted by: Bobsays on Nov 25, 2008 10:07 AM   
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They did exactly this: pumped trillions into the existing rotting, bloated, inefficient, wasteful UK public sector and welfare state. The result? Eleven wasted years with many failed projects, the UK population becoming the most indebted per person in human history (yes, even worse than the US), and what is happening now: the government having to borrow more money than they did to re-build after WWII.

So, what Hitler couldn't do, toxic, Obama-like pumping into a rotten system did in eleven years.

Invest in the future, in better ways, be green, be more efficient, build cities that rival Venice: but don't just blow it all on a SUV-driving, food-stamp devouring, junk food hoovering, slack-ass, North American way of life.

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Kunstler's podcast on the bailout
Posted by: dc--09887 on Nov 25, 2008 10:55 AM   
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Kunstler has a weekly podcast too.

Check out his post on the 2008 bailout.

http://kunstlercast.com

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I'll be looking at you James to co-author my next book!
Posted by: Greenhouse Neutral Foundation on Nov 25, 2008 2:36 PM   
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So many nails were cleanly struck in this piece, one might assume James was a master carpenter.
Yes there is a need; and an urgent one, to throw out the old and de-invent the wheel. What a great time in history yet to be written to do it. The system we have was designed for demise and we might as well acknowledge it. Who built it? We did! Could it be with our own mortality as our ultimate destination, we have designed all other systems of endeavour on the same principle? Designed for Demise? Finite in all uses of the word means GOING, GOING, GONE!
www.strategicbookpublishing.com/ZEROGreenhouseEmissions.html

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Pretend
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Nov 25, 2008 2:42 PM   
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Strange as it seems, the twentieth century credit economy is due for an overhaul. And as the author duly notes, many of us bought houses and cars on easy credit and now we're mired in debt.
Purchasing homes and cars on credit led to the burgeoning middle class and the jobs created to sustain this phenomenon has ebbed. With this affluency campaign came suburban sprawl and larger vehicles such as giant pickups and SUVs.
Fast forward to today this kind of life has transitioned to unemployment, bankruptcy and bailouts on a massive scale have revolutionized how we live.
We cannot go on pretending we can live in artifical money. It was a fun game while it lasted, but now our financial system is near shambles, crumbling like an inexpensive bag of potato chips in the hands of a child.
We have pretended for too long and the bills are due. Be prepared for months of sacrifices.

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There is a Future for the Elites but it won't be attainable for the rest of us...
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 25, 2008 3:01 PM   
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People like AL GORE who still has all of his fuel INefficient vehicles and huge ECO UNfriendly mansion will continue to life in luxury as Nancy Pelosi continues to commute to DC from CA in her HUGE luxury jet which gulps fuel like drunks in the alley drink Mad Dog Express... THE ELITES WILL CONTINUE A LIFESTYLE THAT THEY WILL MAKE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE REST OF US TO HAVE!

If you don't understand this, I refer you to the classic story "ANIMAL FARM." It's all about "SOME Animals being MORE EQUAL than the OTHER Animals..."

Those limosine liberals consider us to be "useless eaters" and have gone on record as saying that 80 percent of us have to be ELIMINATED by ANY means possible.

You had better be prepared to DEFEND the American way of life or else end up living like one of the peasants in China or Mexico with only a bicycle for transporation and work in a prison camp for a bowl or two of rice a day!

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We will have our SUV's
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 25, 2008 9:20 PM   
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And strip malls..........and fast food......and video games.......and personal jets........and escort babes.........and French wines........

As long as we can afford them.

A lifestyle choice. Nothing wrong with that.

PS...I do believe we should choose paper instead of plastic.

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fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism
Posted by: vzn on Nov 25, 2008 10:27 PM   
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a detailed analysis of zombiefication, see the following.
a paper I wrote called "fractional reserve banking as economic
parasitism"

endorsed by two phd economists. printed in nexus
magazine, 60k world circulation. #1 top downloaded
economics paper. used by economics
teacher in australia as standard classroom material.

more info on request.


"fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism"



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I can't believe . . .
Posted by: yesman on Nov 25, 2008 10:50 PM   
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. . . that anyone so totally gets what is going on and is so completely right as Mr. Kunstler. You'd never know that any of this stuff was true from reading, watching or listening to any major media outlet.

He's absolutely right -- the sooner we start producing the necessities of life ourselves, on as local a level as possible, the better off we'll be. But given the current mania for continued self-delusion, it doesn't look like we're going to make this easy on ourselves (not that it's going to be easy anyway).

I was particularly gratified to read the paragraph about trains. Even given the incredible block-headedness of all the powers that be, it still just astounds me that no one is even yet seriously talking about improving and expanding rail service in the US. That simply HAS TO happen, if we're going to survive as a modern nation--that is, not as a sci-fi hi-tech superpower, but as a post-medieval society.

Away with all zombies! Down with the bourgeois parasite class!

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Author needs to get some facts straight
Posted by: mrxls on Nov 25, 2008 11:15 PM   
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I guess he has a bias towards slow and small is beautiful and probably has never worked on a farm. Even the most cursory look at the California rail initiative would show it is a new route and new track.

Just a trickle of electricity from water rather than the massive amounts available from wind, sun, waves and tides?

As for farming, some people are made for it but mostly it is hard work.

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Maybe not quite so grim
Posted by: greenknight on Nov 26, 2008 1:19 AM   
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I've been preparing for this for years, but I think it's not quite that imminent. Kunstler overlooks the fact that the rest of the developed world is doing the same thing we are; massive deficit spending to bail out the financial sector. There won't be that many healthy currencies around, and the oil producers will still need to sell their product to somebody - so our lucky bucks will still buy us some oil. We should have a little time to make the transition away from the petroleum economy.

He's right on about the things we need to do, though. As for me, I'm already growing food to sell locally; and I plan on expanding my operation.

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Kunstler is WRONG on nuclear power. Why a Nuclear Powerplant CAN NOT Explode like a Nuclear Bomb
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 26, 2008 5:34 PM   
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Bombs are completely different from reactors. There is nothing similar about
them except that they both need fissile materials. But they need DIFFERENT
fissile materials and they use them very differently. Nuclear power is NOT a
derivative of a bomb. Nuclear power was thought of Before the bomb.
A nuclear bomb "compresses" pure or nearly pure fissile material into a small
space. There is no other material in the volume containing the nuclear explosive.
The fissile material is either the uranium isotope 235 or plutonium. If it is uranium,
it is at least 90% uranium 235 and 10% or less uranium 238. If the fissile material
is plutonium, Pu239 is required for a bomb because Pu240 won't explode. These
fissile materials are metals and very difficult to compress. Because they are
difficult to compress, a high explosive [high speed explosive] is required to
compress them. Pieces of the fissile material have to slam into each other hard for
the nuclear reactions to take place. Bright, shiny reduced metal is required as
bomb fuel.
A nuclear reactor, such as the ones used for power generation, does not have
any pure fissile material. The fuel may be 2% uranium 235 mixed with uranium
238. A mixture of 2% uranium 235 mixed with uranium 238 cannot be made to
explode no matter how hard you try. A small amount of plutonium mixed in with
the uranium can not change this. Reactor fuel still cannot be made to explode like
a nuclear bomb no matter how hard you try. Reactor fuel is not bright shiny
reduced metal. Reactor fuel is uranium oxide [uranium rust] and plutonium oxide
[plutonium rust]. Bombs can't explode on rust. There has never been a nuclear
explosion in a reactor and there never will be. [Reduced Uranium and plutonium
are flammable, but a fire isn't an explosion.] The fuel is further diluted by being
divided and sealed into many small steel capsules. The capsules are contained in
steel tubes, further dividing the reactor fuel. The fuel is further diluted by
the need for coolant to flow around the capsules and through the core so that heat
can be transported to a place where heat energy can be converted to electrical
energy. A reactor does not contain any high speed [or any other speed] chemical
explosive as a bomb must have. A reactor does not have any explosive materials
at all.
As is obvious from the above descriptions, there is no possible way that a
reactor could ever explode like a nuclear bomb. Reactors and bombs are very
different. Reactors and bombs are really not even related to each other.
Recommendation: Nuclear power is the safest kind and it just got safer. Convert
all coal-fired power plants to nuclear ASAP. See the December 2005 issue of
Scientific American article on a new type of nuclear reactor that consumes the
nuclear "waste" as fuel.
I do not have any financial stake in the nuclear industry.

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Kuntsler is WRONG on nuclear power. Chernobyl can't happen here, and most of what you heard didn't happen there.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 26, 2008 5:45 PM   
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A friend of mine from Oak Ridge National Laboratory wrote to
me: "The reactor that had the accident at Chernobyl was very out-
of-date (1st generation) design that has to be precisely controlled
to prevent cooling water from boiling. Water carries away heat
and moderates far better than bubbles, and as bubbles form in
water, the reactor goes increasingly unstable. What caused
Chernobyl to blow its top was residual water in the core suddenly
going to high pressure steam and erupting into a steam explosion.
Since the building top was simply resting by its weight on the
walls, not a containment vessel at all, the steam explosion burped
the top off its position allowing outside air in, subsequently
igniting a carbon fire." The United States and other Western
countries DO NOT now build and do not now posses or operate
ANY reactors of such primitive design. Nor do we allow
containment buildings to have easily removable tops.
Containment buildings in the Western hemisphere are required to
be pressure vessels.
The Chernobyl accident released less than 200 tons of
radioactive material, as much as a coal-fired power plant would
release in 7 years and 5 months. The Chernobyl accident had a
shorter "stack" than coal-fired power plants. The radioactive
material was released in a short time at ground level. That is why
the Chernobyl accident had impact. The Three Mile Island
incident did NOT release a noticeable amount of radiation into its
neighborhood because it had a good containment building and
because it was a more modern design.
The reason is that the Soviet Union didn't spend money on R&D
for nuclear safety. The US did. Over 60 years, American
reactors have become so safe it is ridiculous. We have way
overspent on nuclear reactor safety, driving up the cost of
electricity. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, coal fired electric
power plants kill 24,000 people per year in the US according to
Discover magazine. Reactors built in the US in 2008 are nothing
like the very first reactor ever, built in the US in 1944. Soviet
built reactors were just copies of the 1944 reactor.
The book: "Environmentalists for Nuclear Energy", by B. Comby
has more truthful information on this if you are interested. Don't
believe the urban legends that were started by coal companies.
Order the book from: http://www.comby.org/livres/livresen.htm
See: http://www.ecolo.org for more information on the book.
Most books on the subject in most libraries may be there because of
coal industry pressure.
See also: "Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear
Energy" by Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about
nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.
"Power to Save the World" says on page 90: At Chernobyl, only
13 to 30% of the reactor's 190 metric tons of fuel evaporated.
.13X190=24.7 tons. .3X190=57 tons. [Much lower than the
previous estimate of 200 tons, and trivial compared to what coal
fired power plants give you.]

I have no connection with the nuclear power industry. Nobody is
paying me to post this. I have never worked for the nuclear
power industry.

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Kuntsler is WRONG on nuclear power but I agree that nuclear fuel should not be wasted in Yucca Mountain.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 26, 2008 5:52 PM   
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Yucca Mountain contains an enormous supply of nuclear fuel that
should not be wasted. We don't recycle nuclear fuel because
spent fuel is valuable and people steal it. The place it went that it
wasn't supposed to go to is Israel. This happened in a small town
near Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in
the business of reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job
there, designing a nuclear battery for a heart pacemaker. [The
army offered me more money to work on nuclear weapons
effects.] [A nuclear battery would have the advantage of lasting
many times as long as any other battery, eliminating many
surgeries to replace batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor.
Numec "lost" a quantity of reactor grade uranium. It wound up in
Israel. The Israelis have fueled both their nuclear power plants
and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear "waste." See:
Pittsburghlive

It could work for any other country, such as Iran or the United
States. It is only when you don't have access to nuclear "waste"
that you have to do the difficult process of enriching uranium,
unless you have a Canadian "CANDU" reactor or a British
Magnox reactor, both of which run on unenriched uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. The reprocessing of nuclear fuel
in the US stopped. That was the only politically possible solution
at that time, given that private corporations did the reprocessing.
My solution would be to reprocess the fuel at a Government
Owned Government Operated [GOGO] facility. At a GOGO
plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and religion
would disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any
unauthorized place. Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.

I have no financial stake in the nuclear power industry, and I
never have. Nobody is paying me to say this.
See:
http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/
Factory made nuclear reactors.

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Finding truth on the web:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 26, 2008 5:57 PM   
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Reference: "Google and the myth of universal knowledge"
by Jean-Noel Jeanneney 2007 The original is in French.

When you do a Google search, you get "sponsored" links
on the right side and "non-sponsored" links on the left.
The "NON-SPONSORED" links on Google ARE LISTED
IN THE ORDER OF THE HIGHEST BIDDER to lowest
bidder. Companies pay dollars to Google to get web sites
other than their own that lie in favor of the paying company
to be at the top of the "non-sponsored" list. Google search
results in your getting nothing but corporate propaganda.
Since the coal industry has a $100 Billion per year income
at stake, they can and must share a lot of money with
Google.

Page 32: 62% of internet users questioned make no
distinction whatever between advertising and other
information, and only 18% proved capable of telling which
data were paid for by companies for their promotion and
which were not."
"92% of users of search engines have full confidence in the
results of their search, and 71% (users for less than five
years) consider that information from this source [Google]
is never biased in any way."

Suggestion: Use only Google Advanced or Google Scholar.
On Google Advanced, specify either the .gov domain or the
.edu domain. Otherwise, use only web sites that
www.RealClimate.org uses.

There should be a law requiring Google to disclose the above
and the donors and the dollars for each "non-sponsored" link.
Environmentalists should work on Google legislation first.

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What the coal companies know that Kunstler doesn't:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 26, 2008 6:07 PM   
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As long as you keep messing around with wind, solar, geothermal and wave
power, the coal industry is safe. There is no way wind, solar, geothermal and
wave power can replace coal, and they know it. The coal fire has to keep on
burning in case the wind dies or the sun goes down. If you quit being afraid of
nuclear, the coal industry is doomed. Every time you argue in favor of wind,
solar, geothermal and wave power, or against nuclear, King Coal is happy.
ONLY nuclear power can put coal out of business. Nuclear power HAS put coal
out of business in France. France uses 30 year old American technology. So
here is the deal: Keep being afraid of all things nuclear and die either when [not
if] civilization collapses or when H2S comes out of the ocean and Homo
"Sapiens" goes extinct. OR: Get over your paranoia and kick the coal habit and
live. Which do you choose? I put quotation marks around "Sapiens" because it
is not clear that most of us have enough brains to avoid extinction when it is
clearly predicted and the safe path has been pointed out. Nuclear is the safe path.

PS: Nuclear is the cheapest and safest source of electricity. Nuclear life cycle
CO2 output is the lowest per kilowatt hour because it takes a huge number of
windmills or solar collectors or wave machines or whatever to produce the same
power as a nuclear power plant. All of those windmills or whatever have
manufacturing processes that make CO2. Hydro power requires an enormous
amount of concrete. The first step in making concrete is heating limestone to
drive off the CO2. That is one of the sources of CO2 from hydro power. The
price for electricity for the various sources of power include the total life cycle
costs. The cost to build the reactor is not much different from the cost to build a
coal fired power plant and the money comes from the same source. Whoever
would pay for the reactor is the same person who would pay for the coal burner.

Nuclear is the cheapest and the only full time replacement for coal.
Nuclear power would be much cheaper than it is if nuclear were allowed to be as
unsafe as the other sources of power. Nuclear power plants are self-insured.
Tax money is NOT involved and would not be mentioned if it were not for the
civil disturbances caused by coal company shills, alias protesters. The nuclear
industry needs and deserves protection from people who are obviously either
mentally ill or very misinformed. When tax money is mentioned with respect to
nuclear power, the money is the extra money that is wasted because of pointless
protests.

There is NO SUCH THING as nuclear waste. There is fuel that is being wasted
for political reasons and because the coal industry has driven Americans paranoid.
The coal industry's reason for doing so is the $100 Billion per year cash flow
they receive as long as you are afraid of all things nuclear. If you remain afraid
of all things nuclear and prevent the conversion from coal to nuclear everybody
dies. The cure is for everybody to go to college and get a 4 year degree in a
hard science [physics or chemistry] or engineering, or for Americans to start
acting like the French people with respect to nuclear power.

I have never worked for the nuclear power industry.

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Clean coal is coal that stays in the ground undisturbed.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 26, 2008 6:21 PM   
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Coal is mostly carbon, but the complete list of impurities in coal includes every
element in the periodic table. The major impurities are, depending on where
you found it: URANIUM, ARSENIC, LEAD, MERCURY, Antimony, Cobalt,
Nickel, Copper, Selenium, Barium, Fluorine, Silver, Beryllium, Iron, Sulfur,
Boron, Titanium, Cadmium, Magnesium, Calcium, Manganese, Vanadium,
Chlorine, Aluminum, Chromium, Molybdenum and Zinc. Coal smoke and
cinders are commercially viable ORE for the above elements. Chinese industrial
grade coal contains much more arsenic than American coal. Chinese industrial
grade coal is sometimes stolen by peasants for cooking. The result is that the
whole family dies of arsenic poisoning. Coal varies a lot. You have to analyze
it not only mine by mine but even lump by lump. Coal is a rock. It comes out
of the ground. What would you expect of a rock?
Reference:
OUR NUCLEAR FUTURE:
THE PATH OF SELECTIVE IGNORANCE
by Alex Gabbard
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Oak Ridge, TN
Selections from the 19th Annual Conference
SOUTHERN FUTURE SOCIETY
March 14,15,16, 1996
Nashville, Tennessee

Published by the
SOUTHERN FUTURE SOCIETY
1996
Edited by Jack D. Arters, Ed.D.
Conference Director
The truth is, all natural rocks contain most natural elements. Coal is a rock.
The average concentration of uranium in coal is 1 or 2 parts per million. Illinois
coal contains up to 103 parts per million uranium. A 1000 million watt coal
fired power plant burns 4 million tons of coal each year. If you multiply 4
million tons by 1 part per million, you get 4 tons of uranium. Most of that is
U238. About .7% is U235. 4 tons = 8000 pounds. 8000 pounds times .7% =
56 pounds of U235. An average 1000 million watt coal fired power plant puts
out 56 to 112 pounds of U235 every year. There are only 2 places the uranium
can go: Up the stack or into the cinders.
Since a reactor full fuel load is around 11 tons of 2% U235 and 98% U238, and
one load lasts about 10 years, and what one coal fired power plant puts into the
air and cinders fully fuels a nuclear power plant.
Compare 4 Million tons per year with 1.1 tons per year. 1.1 divided by 4 Million
= 2.75 E -7 = .000000275 =.0000275%. Remember that only 2% of that is
U235. The nuclear power plant needs ~44 pounds of U235 per year. The coal
fired power plant burns coal by the trainload. The nuclear power plant consumes
U235 in such small quantities yearly that you could carry that much weight in a
briefcase. The full fuel load and the years between fueling varies from reactor to
reactor, but one truck can carry the weight of a full nuclear fuel load.
See also: Oak Ridge National Laboratory Review
and
ORNLReview2

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Great article, but...
Posted by: Pissed Off Woman on Nov 26, 2008 6:26 PM   
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...enough with the sneering attitude. Oil doesn't just keep WalMart and Walt Disney World (you can practically smell the urbanite derision here) running, it's how most Americans fuel the cars they use to get to work. It's also how your food gets to the grocery store, or to the farmer's market if you eat locally. The gratuitous WalMart references hurt your point; people don't shop there because they're brainwashed consumer zombies, but because they're poor--and because in some rural towns, WalMart has driven out its competitors and achieved monopoly status.

Aside from that, good point about the railway and agricultural systems. I hope that local business will be able to make a full recovery.

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» WalMart does use oil Posted by: jon B
We're at a moment...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Nov 26, 2008 8:28 PM   
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Not unlike the former inhabitants of Easter Island... the local heirarchy said build more big stone faces, because they'd been being built so long that many people had lost their imagination and couldn't imagine NOT building them... but some realized that almost all the trees were gone and building more faces would mean cutting the last of them down to use as rollers and levers to move and set up the heads. What are WE going to do... continue with a milder version of what got us here and run out of "trees" or truly change the way we do things?

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Put Jobs Where People Live ...
Posted by: halg on Nov 26, 2008 10:02 PM   
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... instead of forcing them to commute TO their jobs. That will (1) save energy, (2) create community-based economics, (3) generate local markets, (4) allow people to re-connect with their families and communities by the time savings, (5) give the public one less excuse to get involved in civic participation, and (?) many, many more. I'm sure many of you can think of additional ways that putting jobs where people (already) live can be a real enhancement to our world and ourselves.

Yes, trains are definitely a good solution but only in the context of commutation (I will exclude genuine intercity travel here). So long as workers must commute to jobs, energy will be expended, no matter what form of it. Placing jobs smack dab in the middle of all of the places people actually live in will go alot farther than trying to squeeze one more mile out of a finite amount of energy.

Let's start thinking of ways to migrate our suburbs -- and cities -- to smartly planned, real communities.

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