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Living the Good Life on $5,000 a Year

By Kevin O'Connor, Rutland Herald. Posted November 25, 2008.


Today's global financial cloud got you feeling gray? Vermonter Jim Merkel sees a silver lining.
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Today's global financial cloud got you feeling gray? Vermonter Jim Merkel sees a silver lining.

Back in 1989, the Long Island native was a weapons engineer who helped design a cutting-edge computer that could transmit military secrets, survive a nuclear blast and, a decade before the dawn of the BlackBerry, fit in the palm of his hand. Sitting at a hotel bar in Stockholm, Sweden, he was drinking in his accomplishment when a bulletin flashed on television.

An oil tanker had hit a reef half a world away in Alaska, spilling 11 million gallons of crude oil, contaminating 1,300 miles of coastline and killing more than 250,000 seabirds, otters, seals, bald eagles and whales. Video showed the culprit to be the Exxon Valdez. But peering into a mirror behind the bar, Merkel saw only himself.

He drove. He flew. He consumed goods produced with or propelled by fossil fuels.

"Of course, the entire industrialized world stood indicted beside me," he recalls. "Our 'need' for ever-more mobility, ever-more progress, ever-more growth had led us straight to this disaster. But in that moment, all I knew was that I, personally, needed to step forward and own up to the damage."

Returning home to the states, Merkel decided to simplify. He not only cleared away stuff (enough for 13 yard sales) but also tapped his engineering degree from New York's Stony Brook University to calculate the economic and environmental savings. By doing so, he figured out how to live comfortably -- and income-tax-free -- on $5,000 a year.

To share his findings, Merkel penned a 2003 book, "Radical Simplicity: Small Footprints on a Finite Earth." That begat his Web site, www.radicalsimplicity.org. And those begat his continuing string of more than 1,000 speeches, workshops and classes, including this fall's "Moving Toward Sustainability" course at the Wilder campus of Community College of Vermont.

Most people monitoring the current fiscal crisis are fixated on what they could lose. Merkel is focused on what everyone could gain.

"This belt-tightening is good for us," he says. "We're swimming in a society that's super consumptive. Right now is such a beautiful opportunity for us to become sustainable."

He's ready to show people how.

Oil and water

Growing up, Merkel was the sixth of nine children of a politically conservative, meat-and-potatoes trucker. Now 50, he lives by himself in a 14-by-16-foot cabin on a dirt road in Norwich, where he grows much of his mostly organic vegan diet.

Merkel didn't make that leap in a day. Instead, he started with small steps.

Settling in California after the 1989 oil spill, he began by biking to work. Cutting his fuel consumption, he then joined the Sierra Club and gave money to other environmental nonprofits. But his biggest move came after he read an Amnesty International report about human-rights abuses in countries where he was marketing his military computer.

"There I was," Merkel recalls in his book, "a jet-set military salesman who voted for Reagan by day, and a bleeding-heart pacifist, eco-veggie-head-hooligan by night."

His two selves felt as separate as oil and water. One, seeking frugality and freedom, asked, "How much do I need?" The other, seeking long-term financial security, asked, "How much can I get?"

Merkel decided not only to quit the business of war but also to stop paying federal tax dollars that could fund government weapons. To do so, he aimed to live on an annual income less than the U.S. taxable level of $5,000.

For most Americans, that figure seems miniscule. But back when Merkel made his decision, it topped the worldwide average income of $4,500. (Today that sum has risen to almost $8,000, according to the United Nations. Even so, 3.6 billion people, or 60 percent of humanity, live on less than $520 a year.)

Seeking ways to cut costs, Merkel turned to the best-selling book "Your Money or Your Life: Transforming Your Relationship with Money and Achieving Financial Independence" by Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin. It asks readers to add up their cash assets, estimate the value of their possessions and then keep track of every penny they spend to see whether their purchases equate with their personal ideals.


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This is the sort of article I enjoy!
Posted by: jparsons on Nov 25, 2008 12:39 AM   
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I truly believe our only way forward is for
those of us in the developed world
to think
and act more like this man.

Controlling our population's behavior rather
than its numbers is key.

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» control Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: control Posted by: -matti
» The choice to have a child... Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: control Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: control Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: control Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: control Posted by: bornxeyed
» That particular tongue... Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: That particular tongue... Posted by: bornxeyed
» sage advice Posted by: pelican beak
» Numbers Posted by: kepstein7777
» Excellent observation! Posted by: pelican beak
Excellent and true!
Posted by: Bobsays on Nov 25, 2008 1:54 AM   
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Anyone who is creative or a writer knows you can live well on a lot less. By stripping it down to simple pleasures (good food, wine and sex) and not wasting your money on junk food, cars, useless crap, you can have a healthier life on less money.

The problem is thinking and habits. Most people are programmed to waste and consume. Caught in an arms race with the neighbours, people feel they need to consume to have worth. It doesn't help when the president-elect also plays by these rules.

Strip it down and take a breather. You will be happier in the end.

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» The problem is structures. Posted by: -matti
» RE: The problem is structures. Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
» RE: xcellent and true! Posted by: anneliese-nyc
Not so extreme, but we all can...
Posted by: F-Abdolian on Nov 25, 2008 1:57 AM   
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Do much. Just think rationally, stop using thing you really don't need, small changes that has huge impacts in life.
I can not say I can live the life he lives, but I sure can relate to it. Going from 6 figures salary to a much much lower level, not only enriched my life, but also gave me pleasures I had forgotten I had. Instead of going to a fancy restaurants and spend 100s of dollars, we stay home, cook a fancy meal, have a nice evening with a few friends and enjoy our lives.

I don't think many people have the luxury of what he has, to be able to purchase such a large piece of land and be able to manage everything themselves, but they can all save 10s of thousands every year just to change their every day habits.

Good article, it was a long time ago I really enjoyed reading a full article on Alternet. Very refreshing and joyful.

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» How to live simply: Posted by: morticia
» RE: How to live simply: Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: How to live simply: Posted by: morticia
» RE: How to live simply: Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: How to live simply: Posted by: morticia
» RE: Not so extreme, but we all can... Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
Good life
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 25, 2008 2:24 AM   
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Sounds good to me. I always loved the idea of getting off the grid and reducing my dependence on The Man.

It's difficult for the average person to take it as far as this guy did, but as he seems to say, you can get into the state of mind and cut back more than you think without trading your car for sandals.

Realistically, I think it will be impossible to convince all of the billions of people in the world to get on board with this voluntarily, so these books end up being more about the personal rewards of the lifestyle than helping the planet. Most of the world will end up learning the simple life by necessity.

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» RE: Good life Posted by: farhada
although some money is necessary for most of us, time is undervalued
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 25, 2008 2:59 AM   
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One of the reasons I moved to the UK from the LA area 21 years ago was to be able to live without a car. There were only three occasions when I wished I had a car.

You soon figure out just how many hours you would have to work to pay for it and realize that you'd rather have the free time.

I can spend my time researching the use of law by corporations instead of doing "busy work" for an employer. You can get hooked on the buzz you get from a pay packet but it's more satisfying to grow food and keep chickens.

As a pedestrian, I have traveled a great deal in Cambridge. People in cars don't get to look in people's windows or hear the blackbird singing. Even though pedestrians are in danger of being hit by cars, I wouldn't go back to driving ever!

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It's the rampant consumerism and materialism that makes money worthless.
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 25, 2008 3:58 AM   
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In contrast, check out China and India where people live on that kind of salary year to year. Something's gotta give.

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needs and wants... fantastic article today guys!!!
Posted by: ellie on Nov 25, 2008 5:25 AM   
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just being able to discern the difference between needs; food, water, shelter, warmth from all the other wants is the key... everyone has their bottom line of what the needs are based on where they live... use only want you have to, not what you want and pare down from there... actually, living simple is so much easier then keeping up with stuff...

right now, I'm typing on a 10 year old toshiba laptop with no paint left on the keys that still rums like a champ while sitting at my circa 1920's hand me down kitchen table, looking at my way-high mileage sewing machine that runs better then the new ones and my beloved, american made ice skates with british blades... sipping fair trade coffee I get from a non profit sustainable web site... this is life, not the accumulation of stuff and worries from debt...

go to the mindset of living off the grid as much as possible... it's liberating figuring out ways to not spend money!!!

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If This Is What It Takes...
Posted by: loxias on Nov 25, 2008 5:51 AM   
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... to stop paying income tax, now that the government is handing it to Citibank, then I'm in.

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» RE: If This Is What It Takes... Posted by: anneliese-nyc
DVD for $225.00
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Nov 25, 2008 6:12 AM   
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if you go to his website you can purchase a DVD/VHS for $225.00
if you can't afford that then you can rent one for $60.00
if he sells 25 DVDs he'll be over his self imposed income level of $5,000
why such high prices?

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» RE: DVD for $225.00 Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: DVD for $225.00 Posted by: bornxeyed
A Few flies in the ointment
Posted by: pastora on Nov 25, 2008 6:19 AM   
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Sounds great! The whole trick is simply to never age or get sick! Why didn't someone think of this before.
I'm one of those wasteful spenders--$9000 a few years back for broken ankle repair, $4000 over the last few years for broken tooth, crown, dental work, etc. (probably should have bartered with my neighbor to try his hand at this--could have lent him pliers) -- and my most wasteful spending, about $30,000 for prostate cancer surgery (this was actually paid for through pre-emptive wasteful spending on health insurance.)
The author also lives in a 14X16 cabin--plenty of room for partner and kids, there--as long as everyone remains standing and tries not to engage in wasteful movement--this cuts down on fossil fuel, as well, merely from the body heat.
So I guess it's time to find ditch the family, find someone who has extra land they'll let someone live on, build a wooden tent (salvaged materials, of course), buy some pliers, and start living!

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» RE: A Few flies in the ointment Posted by: richholland
» RE: A Few flies in the ointment Posted by: anneliese-nyc
Rose Newburg
Posted by: esornew on Nov 25, 2008 6:59 AM   
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Example of why I read Alternatives,the sanity and wisdom of articles like this. Reminds me that the happiest years of my life was on a 10 X 25 foot houseboat (with a spouse and dog)mostly eating fish and polk salad from the shore. Most suffering in U.S. is a result of the lifestyle.

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» RE: ose Newburg Posted by: anneliese-nyc
» Too bad it takes money to live simply. Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
How inspiring...
Posted by: HoboHomo on Nov 25, 2008 7:34 AM   
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to know that those with excess cash, property to sell, and resources to travel the world many times over, have found a way to simplify their lives.

How this applies to the moderate and low income among us--the vast majority--is beyond me. But what ISN'T beyond me, is this:

He's certainly making a whole slew of moolah off his book! I cold sure use that money to get my teeth fixed, and maybe move outta my crummy SRO into a real apartment. But I guess I don't count, I'm not a wealthy New Englander with connections up the wazoo.

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» RE: How inspiring... Posted by: glennr
living simply
Posted by: Archie1954 on Nov 25, 2008 8:42 AM   
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After reading the article I was surprised by how it implies an almost return to the era of living in caves and eating whatever happened to pass by. I don't want to return to what it must have been like then. Can't we have our cake and eat it too?

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» RE: living simply Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: living simply Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: living simply Posted by: jimidee
Doctor, heal thyself..
Posted by: hrlaser on Nov 25, 2008 8:52 AM   
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So I'm reading this article about a guy who has taken himself "off the grid" and lives on less than five grand a year.. about how he got rid of all the crap he doesn't need.. how we are a self-indulgent, over-consuming society.. and as I scroll down the page and read the story, what do I see along the borders of the page?..

An ad for chocolate candies.. (ironically right above a picture of a guy in shackles who's been held prisoner for six years)..

An ad trying to sell me T-shirts..

An Intel ad..

More ads up and down the page.. buy this.. buy that.. and capped off at the bottom of the page with a banner ad for a Mercedes Benz Holiday Sale!..

How hypocritical can one Web site possibly get?..

"Look at this guy.. he rejected his 'I make stuff to help the military kill people' life, divests himself of his 14 garage sales' worth of stuff, lives off the land, oh, but look! Mercedes is having a holiday sale, so just rush right down to your local dealer and write that six figure check for an S-Class.. (or if you're truly poverty-stricken, a five-figure check for a C-Class..) .. then c'mon back here and slide into your politically correct T-shirt, pop some chocolates in your mouth (or have your maid do it for you..) .. while you finish reading the story of a guy who lives on less money per year than two payments on your shiny new status symbol, (as you occasionally stare our your mansion's windows at it.. gleaming in the driveway next to your other 12 cars).. advertised on the same freakin' page!

Am I the only one who sees some kind of irony with this?..

Whoever's running AlterNet might want to re-think the laughable juxtaposition of running "woe is them we gotta do something about it" stories and "look how well you can live by paring your life down to just the basics" articles, on a page splattered with ads for stuff that nobody needs, and only the rich can afford..

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» And just how would you propose... Posted by: photon's feather
» Internet marketing Posted by: bornxeyed
» good point Posted by: WhatNow?
» RE: good point Posted by: bornxeyed
» There is no contradiction. Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
But what he leaves out.......
Posted by: bttl on Nov 25, 2008 9:33 AM   
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Sure, it sounds great, green and all the rest,but totally unrealistic. Now before I chop this all to bits I will say that I live very simply, on way less than most anyone I know, off-grid, the works. But on 5K a year? No way!

Someone earning 5K a year isn't going to make the money they require to buy land, build a house, pay property taxes(and they are pricey here in VT btw), purchase, maintain and insure any sort of car- necessary if one is living anywhere but in the city as we only have mass transit in the most heavily populated areas.

As well there is healthcare- no way to afford insurance on that let alone pay out of pocket- dental care? Forget about it? Old age? Well I'd assume Jim's got some dough stashed away as a result of his former employment as well as Soc. Security earnings, but someone earning only 5K otherwise? Forget it....

So yeah, sounds great and green but is totally misleading. Let's publish articles that are realistic and are something the average person can achieve without having to have accumulated a large nest-egg. I'd like to see Jim carry this out for the next few decades and then we'll see.....

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One Person vs. A Community
Posted by: pdxjoe on Nov 25, 2008 9:53 AM   
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Alter-Net regularly publishes articles like this, fetishizing the wonders of enlightened individualism. What WE need more of in the way of these "how are we going to make it?" or "how are we going to save the world?" articles are perspectives on whole communities, not just individual lifestyles. I'm not just talking family-units or or cultish throw-backs to early 19th Century communes. I'm talking about changes on the order of how our cities are structured, how our regions are structured, how our whole socio-economic legal-fabric is structured to meet the needs of The People and their environment. Pretending that a bunch of people doing "the right thing" will result collective well-being is Market-logic all over again. What WE cannot continue is the fantasy that collective responsibility is simply a collection of "responsible" individuals.

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sounds great.. but for the details.
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 25, 2008 10:01 AM   
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Come petrocollapse this'll be the status quo anyway, other than the owning classes who turn themselves into feudal "nobility" enforced by Blakcwater.

It sounds so easy... unless you have a mate, kids, and you don't have a defense contractor income, pension and savings (aka "capital") with which to pay for that "reduction"...

nice idea. if you can afford it.

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How about a barter economy?
Posted by: Koondog on Nov 25, 2008 10:09 AM   
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One way that might bring down the system is barter. Of course it's clumsy but all we need is a new form of some symbol of exchange, i.e., money, that is out of the hands of those still playing the current game, which is going nowhere. And then when this new barter game economy gets corrupted ... you get the idea. Barter isn't taxable and that takes you right out of the system and puts you on a local, human level. Even doing this 5% of the time would put a huge dent in the current system.

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» RE: How about a barter economy? Posted by: bornxeyed
We all need to......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 25, 2008 10:33 AM   
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While I do agree that we all need to reduce our impact, I don't think I can make to $5,000.00 a year.

But I do believe that we can all do more to reduce our impact and consumptive compulsions.

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great but not always workable
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Nov 25, 2008 10:36 AM   
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I've kept a copy of "Your Money or Your Life" in my library for years. The closest I've gotten is to pay off my house, but I can't make a dent in the credit cards because I'm not earning enough to pay them off. In fact, I can't get a job now because of physical limitations and I'm living on Social Security of $10,000 a year (before property and school taxes). So I don't know how this guy manages. He must live in the dark most of the time.

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Stanimal
Posted by: drfun on Nov 25, 2008 10:45 AM   
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For 12 years I lived in a 120 sq ft cabin with no running water and seven of those with no electricity. I exchanged labor for rent feeding horses while I did odd labor to finance my version of a simplistic lifestyle.

I was still making around $10,000 per year, but my taxes I owed were negligible. I just didn't want to contribute to the MIC economy. The one thing I can't give up are a trip in a plane to places I want to see before I die.

In 2003 the writing was on the wall I could no longer afford to reside in the USA and am now ESL'n in China, where most of my possessions are 2nd hand, trying to outline to my students their ideas of a "Western Lifestyle" are not attainable with their meager means and the world just doesn't have the resources to sustain 1.6 billion and growing desire to emulate it.

I'm consuming far less than my western counterparts, but the plane ride is still my biggest contributor to the worlds carbon footprint.

The drawback is that the women I have been with think it's novel for awhile, then it changes to you being a unmotivated, non secure risk that wants to be isolated from society.

So, until I find a woman who feels the same, I'm forced to spend a tad more to "enjoy" life with female companionship, but I'm still far below what a "western" minimum wage for 2 would be consuming.

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» RE: Stanimal Posted by: bornxeyed
I'm truly curious about these low electric bills
Posted by: phatkhat on Nov 25, 2008 10:52 AM   
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that not just the author, but one or two other posters have mentioned.

Hum. I live in a rural area in Arkansas, and we have an electric "co-op" as the only available source of power. We pay a $14/month "availability" fee just for having a meter, whether we use any power or not! Then there are huge surcharges to pay for the co-op's debt, fuel surcharges for production, etc. We live in a small house, try to conserve, etc., but our average electric bill is around $250. (If we used gas, it would cost even more.) And I am too old to cut wood, sorry.

Oh. And that "member-owned" co-op will shut your power off without blinking if you are having trouble paying up.

I too, am amazed at all the simple living articles out there by people who had huge incomes and investments, and then simplified, using their assets to do it. Nope, for average people, that "simple" life is out of reach.

We are lucky, we got a legal settlement that paid our place off. (Then a tornado removed our newly paid for house.) At least we don't have a mortgage payment. But all the other expenses are still there, and there is NO way we could live on $5K a year, or probably even $10K.

I DO encourage living as simply as you can, and considering your choices. Make wise choices, and learn to want what you need, instead of "needing" what you "want".

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Cancer, heart trouble, childhood leukemia
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 25, 2008 11:39 AM   
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So what happens if you are out in your pristine wilderness retreat, and suddenly you develop chest pains and breathlessness? Or your child shows alarming signs of incipient leukemia? Or a lump starts growing somewhere on your body? Somehow I don't think that herbal remedies or communing with nature is gonna help very much.

Or hit your foot with an ax while chopping wood, and you develop massive blood poisoning? (This actually happened to an uncle of mine when he was twenty back in 1940. In those pre-penicillin days there wasn't much they could do and he died).

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Tiresome.
Posted by: redceres on Nov 25, 2008 11:57 AM   
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I find articles such as this one to be completely tiresome. No, not because I won't get off my consumptive (?) ass and work for simplicity--more because I'm so tired of the post-material intelligentsia telling those of us who've never had anything that we should not be allowed to aspire to have anything.

I teach. Where I teach, I'm surrounded by Boomers who have been well-to-do for their entire lives. They grew up in post-war families with money, they had the best of social programs to help them get through school (if they needed them--tuition was dirt cheap then), and they had the best public seed policies to help them start their businesses, those who were more entrepreneurial. Those who have always been in academe were ushered there by their well connected families.

This group of folks LOVES to talk about how they shop at the pricey whole foods co-op--which I can't afford. They love to talk about the hippie-chicness of their ever-so-green neighborhoods--in which everyone owns a ginormous-but-earth-friendly home, has brand new fuel-efficint vehicles, and gets to go on ever-so-hip trips abroad that I have never once been able to swing.

They've all had major family handouts, and they mostly have spouses who work in some very me-centered industries in order to support this lifestyle.

I am surrounded by people who are always assuming that I have had some sort of cushy deal because THEY had one. They absolutely refuse to process the fact that not one single GenX employee here owns his/her own home (with the exception of a very public administrative boy toy). We are all in massive student loan debt, none of us had family handouts to get where we are, and none of us will see any relief from the debt that we got into so that we could be public servants. Now, the wages for those doing our job have shrunk, and most of us can't even pay our basic bills off our salaries. I work two side jobs just to pay for living expenses and various insurances. No--NO--extras of any kind.

I have always lived on the edge of the financial abyss. I cannot give up the desire to one day be able to live in a place where I can call the shots in at least my own immediate environment. I cannot decide that it's evil to take an airplane overseas before I've even gotten the chance to go.

It's very easy to decide that things or boring or evil after you've had the opportunity to belly up to the buffet. Some of us have been working just to be allowed in the front door.

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» China and India Posted by: pdxjoe
» RE: China and India Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
» RE: Tiresome. Posted by: phatkhat
» RE: Tiresome. Posted by: bornxeyed
» Agreed! Posted by: zooeyhall
So what does he do for health care?
Posted by: lindat on Nov 25, 2008 12:15 PM   
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What happens if he gets hurt or sick? In these "simple living" articles, this is conveniently never mentioned.

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Health care is for everyone
Posted by: richholland on Nov 25, 2008 6:30 PM   
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in western europe but;
I lived after my divorce one winter in a small fisherboat and due to legal problems had no income for 5 monthes. This means
- inspection from the taxoffice
- obliged to visit a social worker weekly
because in Holland you need a
-postadress
-taxadress
-habitat adress.

but the worst thing is the people you meet; drunks, asos and sickos.


te german expression; Predig wasser trinken und saufe Wein.
Tell to drink water and drink wine.

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» RE: Health care is for everyone Posted by: F-Abdolian
» RE: Health care is for everyone Posted by: Squarehead
nvannes
Posted by: nvannes on Nov 25, 2008 8:28 PM   
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Excellent article. Can't wait to pass it onto my son who has been trying to tell me this for years.

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Possum living
Posted by: gsmiley on Nov 25, 2008 9:19 PM   
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As I do all these things - grow my own food - vegetables, cattle, goats, alternative fuel(biodiesel), wood heating that is grown on my own place, the only thing missing is nobody pays me to talk about it and the 20 grand a year I need to do it. But it has become obvious that my well being depends on scrounging and processing a huge amount of disgarded material excess that I can put to use but there isn't enough for everybody.
If you look at history the world was 'solar powered' until the industrial revolution with only a fraction of the yearly solar input convertible to human needs, the rest maintained the biosphere. And there were too many people then or they wouldn't have worked so hard breaking so many heads. This anomalous surge of well- being thanks to fossil fuels will not last and then what - 10 times the number of people who lived hand to mouth three centuries ago. And then 'green' will not be good enough. There isn't enough copper and rare earth metals to convert to Priuses, and there isn't enough topsoil to convert rangeland to soybean production. I note that topsoil loss is never mentioned in the vegan equation.
Human numbers are an issue NOW and I hope the world stays nice enough and wealthy enough to confine population control to the time of conception.

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» RE: Possum living Posted by: gar1948
Sure..live the life of a nobody.
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 25, 2008 11:03 PM   
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Let someone else produce the CAT scanner, rip your chest open to operate on your heart, put you back together.

Launch the satillite for your communication, mine the metal for your axe, man the foundry that makes it.

People like this are mooches and parasites....dependent on those who produce for their existence.

Not that this isn't an admirable goal........but don't deny the reality. This guy ain't doing neurosurgery.

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The article is insane!!
Posted by: donl51 on Nov 26, 2008 1:52 PM   
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....land,house,health,...3 main forever expenses...unless you live in a tent,camp in parks,moving every two weeks,and are in optimal,health....I hate reading stupid articles,because we're not being given the full info,...now we could live more frugal,don't need to overendulge...but on 5000.00 per year..I'll assume per person...is close...actually its not possible...

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A couple of rich people living the simple life is not going to save the planet.
Posted by: Pissed Off Woman on Nov 27, 2008 12:16 PM   
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For what will, read George Monbiot's book "Heat", which lays out a real plan to stop global warming. It is not dependent on convincing consumers to cut back (assuming they can) but on strict government regulation plus large government subsidies for changes in the way we produce and consume energy that will end up actually improving quality of life for many.

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$9 a month for Electricity - BS!
Posted by: gar1948 on Nov 27, 2008 4:12 PM   
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As mentioned in another post above, $9 a month won't even get you a meter anywhere in the US, let alone pay all the fees and taxes that are added on to your electric bill each month. I am a single person, living in a small apartment, and one of the most frugal people I know when it comes to electricity and my bill usually runs between $75 and $100 a month. During very cold months, it will go up to $120.

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And They Don't Have Very Good Medical Care Either
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 30, 2008 11:03 AM   
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We NEED MORE BIRTH CONTROL OPTIONS FOR WOMEN!

WE NEED MORE JOBS FOR EVERYBODY!

Most of those people that this Econazi idolizes tend to die young because of their bad water and lack of competent medical care.

Giving it all up and living like Chinese peasants or homeless Indian people in teeming streets full of disease won't get the job done here.

WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER KOOKS AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO HAVE FEWER CHILDREN AND TO USE ONLY THE THINGS THAT THEY REALLY NEED TO HAVE.

That will stop a lot of this nonsense!

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How I live on Less then $5000 a Year
Posted by: gar1948 on Nov 30, 2008 1:15 PM   
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I sold my car, my house, and all my possessions and moved to Ecuador where I live in a $5 a day hotel room with no hot water.

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sirwilliam
Posted by: sirwilliam on Nov 30, 2008 6:14 PM   
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Well, the mathematics has been done for quite some time now. Only thing was the many people who figured out the prices of our living styles; did not go live in a cabin with electricity from the local co op. And did not self promote. Old news.

Be nice if this guy came back to Long Island and teach or actually he may learn from the many homeless who are living in the woods....a couple buses come to ONE of the many sites in really cold weather; in Mattituck to pick them up to get a hot meal, and protection from the elements for a short time. Did you all hear that? Busloads of homeless.....and I bet they have a hard time living on $100.00 a week.

I would like to hear more from that guy who makes his own electricity, raises all his food etc. He is the one whose book I would buy.

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