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It Is Time to Change from Fighting Against Something to Fighting for Something

By Van Jones, The Nation. Posted November 7, 2008.


To do that we need a broad effort of wise, compassionate forces in society and the enlightened self-interest of the green business community.
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This article is adapted from The Green Collar Economy, by Van Jones with Ariane Conrad.

My background is in the struggles for racial justice and criminal justice reform. As such, I've always felt an affinity for Cinque, the hero of the slave-revolt movie Amistad. In that film, based on a true story, the righteous, enslaved Africans fight back and take over the slave ship.

The people at the bottom rise up -- taking their destiny into their own hands. It's really a metaphor for the last century's version of racial politics. The slave ship is earth, the white slavers are the world's oppressors and the African captives are the world's oppressed. The point is for the oppressed to confront and defeat their oppressors. I took that as my mission and spent years fighting against superjails, rogue cops, the prison lobby -- against the forces that, to my mind and the minds of many, are the slavers of today.

Yet at a certain point it occurred to me that what we need is less investment in the fight against and more energy in the fight for: for positive alternatives to violence and incarceration. It was around that time that I got involved in the environmental movement. And I came to understand that the answer to our social, economic and ecological crises can be one and the same: a green economy strong enough to lift people out of poverty.

Society faces some huge challenges. The individuals, entrepreneurs and community leaders who will step up to make the repairs and changes are going to need help. They require and deserve a world-class partner in our government. The time has come for a public-private community partnership to fix this country and put it back to work. In the framework of a Green New Deal, the government would become a powerful partner to the problem solvers of the world -- and not the problem makers.

Now, we cannot achieve the goal of a Green New Deal just by wishing for it. The first step in getting the government to support an inclusive, green economy is to build a durable political coalition.

On the one hand, there are large and powerful constituencies of white, affluent, college-educated progressives active in the United States. They are passionate about the environment, fair trade, economic justice and global peace. Unfortunately, many do not yet work in concert with people of color in their own country to pursue this agenda; they champion "alternative economic development strategies" across the globe, but not across town. These people could be great allies in uplifting our inner cities if they are given encouragement and a clear opportunity to do so.

On the other hand, many groups of people of color do not want to work in coalition with majority white organizations and white leaders. Many fear betrayal; others resent chronic white arrogance. Cultural differences and power imbalances create tensions; some organizations are actually committed to a racially exclusive ideology. Even though such organizations could benefit from additional allies and outside assistance, the very folks who could most benefit from a green opportunity agenda are loath to get involved.

Taken together, this means that the various US social change movements today are still nearly as racially segregated as the rest of society. This is a moral tragedy. And it is a tremendous barrier to building sufficient power to advance a positive social change agenda for anyone and everyone. Breaking through this standoff is a critical first step toward building a New Deal coalition for the new century -- which would be the only thing dynamic, diverse and powerful enough to overcome the obstacles to progress.

In the New Deal period, it was a broad electoral coalition that moved the government onto the side of ordinary people, not FDR alone. Farmers, workers, ethnic minorities, students, intellectuals, progressive bankers and forward-thinking business leaders all joined forces at the ballot box to support FDR and his Congressional backers as they worked to revive the economy.

To accomplish our tasks today, we need a similar force: an electoral New Deal coalition for our time. Let's call it the Green Growth Alliance. Such an alliance would be a broad effort fusing wise, compassionate forces in civil society with the enlightened self-interest of the rising green business community.

On the civil society side, five main partners should make up the Green Growth Alliance:

Labor. Organized labor has been in steep decline over the past few decades, but it remains the best and most stalwart defender of working people's interests -- in the workplace and beyond. Policies that lead to the retrofitting and green rebuilding of the nation will give unions a tremendous opportunity to expand and diversify their ranks. If the unions and green business leaders can identify win-win compromises on wages and other issues, they can work together to pass legislation that will help both sides.

Social justice activists. Legions of people have committed themselves to the ideal of opportunity for all. Advocates for economic justice, civil rights, immigrants' rights, women's rights, disability rights, gay rights, veterans' rights and other causes should seize the opportunity to ensure that the new, green economy has the principles of diversity and inclusion baked in from the beginning.

Environmentalists. With their large organizations, broad networks, Beltway savvy and large budgets, the mainstream environmental organizations have tremendous assets to bring to bear in the effort to green the country. Now they have a chance to turn the page on decades of perceived elitism by working as better collaborators with other sectors of society. An exchange of knowledge, experience and even personnel between the mainstream environmentalists and social justice groups would be healthy and invigorating for everyone.

Students. Students' energy and enthusiasm have already turned up the heat in the movement to prevent catastrophic climate change. Just a few years ago, it was considered outlandish for anyone to call for an aggressive target like an 80 percent reduction in carbon emissions by the year 2050. But youth-centered efforts like Step It Up, Focus the Nation and the Energy Action Coalition have already made "80 by '50" a mainstream demand -- accepted by presidential candidates and even energy-company CEOs. As more racially diverse groups like the League of Young Voters, the Hip Hop Caucus, the Environmental Justice and Climate Change Initiative and Young People For (YP4) join the movement, the sky is the limit for the next generation's leadership role.

Faith organizations. The moral framework suggested by the three principles of social-uplift environmentalism (equal protection, equal opportunity and reverence for all creation) should attract faith leaders and congregants. Many are looking for alternatives to the divisive fundamentalism that has taken up a great deal of airtime lately. The idea of "creation care" is a positive alternative frame that can help faith communities move into action as part of the Green Growth Alliance.

These five forces, in alliance with green business, can change the face of politics in this country. Their goal would be straightforward: to win government policy that promotes the interests of green capital and green technology over the interests of gray capital (extractive industries, fossil-fuel companies) in a way that spreads the benefits as widely as possible. The idea would be to resolve the economic, ecological and social crises on terms that maximally favor green capital and ordinary people.

Fortunately, the Green Growth Alliance is not just a theoretical necessity. It is already becoming a practical reality. National organizations like the Apollo Alliance and the Blue Green Alliance have come on the scene, promoting good jobs in the clean-energy sector. The Apollo Alliance incudes labor unions, environmental organizations, community-based groups and businesses; the Blue Green Alliance is a partnership of the Sierra Club and the United Steelworkers, recently joined by the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Communications Workers.

Former Vice President Al Gore's Alliance for Climate Protection is also reaching out broadly to engage new sectors in the battle to avert catastrophic climate change. And the new kids on the block -- 1Sky and Green for All -- are engaging important constituencies like PTA moms and African-American ministers.

Despite these developments, the notion that a politics centered on green solutions could build a muscular governing majority in the United States still seems doubtful. That is because the "green movement" seems to be the cushy home of such a thin and unrepresentative slice of the public.

The fact is, when many ordinary people hear the term "green," they still automatically think the message is probably for a fancy, elite set -- not for themselves. And as long as that remains true, the green movement will remain too anemic politically and too alien culturally to rescue the country.

Enlightened, affluent people who embrace green values do a great deal of good for the country and the earth -- and they are making an important difference every day. But nobody should make the mistake of believing that a small circle of highly educated, upper-income enviros can unite America and lead it all by themselves. Eco-elite politics can't even unite California.

If you doubt me, let's examine a recent statewide election in California to see how eco-elitism can actually set back environmental initiatives -- even very thoughtful and well-financed ones, even in places where the overall support for environmentalism is relatively high. Everyone loves to praise GOP Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger for signing global-warming legislation in 2006. Yet few discuss the fact that just a few months later, the majority of California voters rejected a clean-energy ballot measure called Proposition 87.

This defeat holds many lessons for us going forward. The idea for Prop 87 was brilliant in its simplicity: California would start taxing the oil and gas that oil companies extract from our soil and shores. This state-level oil tax would generate immense revenues that would go into a huge "clean-energy" research and technology fund -- totaling $4 billion over ten years.

At first, the measure was polling off the charts. Victory seemed certain. But in the end, Californians rejected the measure, 55 percent to 45 percent. Why? Mainly because Big Oil convinced ordinary Californians that the price tag would be too high for them to bear. The oil and gas industry spent $95 million warning that the tax would be passed along to consumers. It suggested that the tax would push gas and home-energy costs through the roof and hurt the poorest Californians. And in the end, the biggest clean-energy ballot measure in the country went down.

The defeat of Prop 87 should sound a clear warning for all of us as we work to birth a green, postcarbon economy. We must recognize and celebrate the fact that well-off champions of the environment will be indispensable to any coalition effort. In fact, it is their business smarts, monetary resources, social standing and political savvy that have propelled the green wave to this point. But at the same time, the eco-elite cannot win major change alone. After all, if a Prop 87-style collapse is possible in the Golden State, what do you think will happen in the other forty-nine?

To change our laws and culture, the green movement must attract and include the majority of all people, not just the majority of affluent people. The time has come to move beyond eco-elitism to eco-populism. Eco-populism would always foreground those green solutions that can improve ordinary people's standard of living -- and decrease their cost of living.

But bringing people of different races and classes and backgrounds together under a single banner is tougher than it sounds. I have been trying to bridge this divide for nearly a decade. And I learned a few things along the way.

What I found is that leaders from impoverished areas like Oakland, California, tended to focus on three areas: social justice, political solutions and social change. They cared primarily about "the people." They focused their efforts on fixing schools, improving healthcare, defending civil rights and reducing the prison population. Their "social change" work involved lobbying, campaigning and protesting. They were wary of businesses; instead, they turned to the political system and government to help solve the problems of the community.

The leaders I met from affluent places like Marin County (just north of San Francisco), San Francisco and Silicon Valley had what seemed to be the opposite approach. Their three focus areas were ecology, business solutions and "inner change." They were champions of "the planet" -- rainforests and important species like whales and polar bears. Many were dedicated to inner-change work, including meditation and yoga. And they put a great deal of stress on making wise, earth-honoring consumer choices. In fact, many were either green entrepreneurs or investors in eco-friendly businesses.

Every effort I made to get the two groups together initially was a disaster -- sometimes ending in tears, anger and slammed doors. Trying to make sense of the differences, I wrote out three binaries on a napkin:



1. Ecology vs. Social Justice

2. Business Solutions (Entrepreneurship) vs. Political Solutions (Activism)

3. Spiritual/Inner Change vs. Social/Outer Change
People on both sides of the equation tended to think that their preferences precluded any serious consideration of the options presented on the opposite side.

Increasingly, I saw the value and importance of both approaches. I thought, What would we have if we replaced those "versus" symbols with "plus" signs? What if we built a movement at the intersection of the ecology and social justice movements, of entrepreneurship and activism, of inner change and social change? What if we didn't just have hybrid cars -- what if we had a hybrid movement?

To return to the metaphor of the slave ship Amistad, the question in my mind has become, What if those rebel Africans, while still in chains, had looked out and noticed the name of their ship was not the Amistad but the Titanic? How would that fact have affected their mission? What would change if they knew the entire ship was imperiled, that everyone on it -- the slavers and enslaved -- could all die if the ship continued on its course, unchanged?

The rebels suddenly would have had a very different set of leadership challenges. They would have had the obligation not just to liberate the captives but also to save the entire ship. In fact, the hero would be the one who found a way to save everyone on board -- including the slavers. And the urgency of freeing the captives would have been that much greater -- because the smarts and the effort of everyone would have been needed to save everyone.

For the sake of the ship -- our planet -- and all aboard it, the effort to go green must be all hands on deck.

We can take the unfinished business of America on questions of inclusion and equal opportunity and combine it with the new business of building a green economy, thereby healing the country on two fronts and redeeming the soul of the nation. We must.

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Van Jones is executive director of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in Oakland, California, the founder and president of Green for All, and the author of the Green Collar Economy.

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The good fight
Posted by: GZ on Nov 7, 2008 4:31 AM   
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O.K. How about fighting FOR impeachment now? Maybe that would be fitting prelude to cleaning up the rest of the mess. Do you think that Nancy will clear the table for that? Or, is she still hiding under it?

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» RE: ask the speaker Posted by: Lauren
» yeah, but. . . Posted by: Beck
» RE: The good fight Posted by: Von
Overcoming irrational fear
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 7, 2008 5:22 AM   
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The coal industry depends on your irrational fear of all things
nuclear to maintain its $100 Billion per year cash flow. The coal
industry knows perfectly well that nuclear power would have
driven coal out of business long ago if it were not for your
irrational fear of all things nuclear. It is greatly to the coal
industry's advantage for you to continue to advocate sources of
energy, such as solar and wind, that they know just won't work or
are so expensive as to be economically unfeasible. Every time
you advocate wind energy or solar energy as better than nuclear,
you are giving the coal industry a chance to continue causing
global warming for another year. Every time you advocate wind
energy or solar energy as better than nuclear, you are taking us
one year closer to the collapse of civilization and the extinction of
the human race. The only thing we can do to stop global
warming RIGHT NOW is to stop all objections to nuclear power
and unanimously advocate immediate conversion of all coal fired
power plants worldwide to nuclear.

Americans are paranoid about all things nuclear. NMR [Nuclear
Magnetic Resonance] had to be renamed MRI [Magnetic
Resonance Imaging] to get sick people into the scanner. The only
thing that changed was the name, yet patients refused "NMR"
scans, but willingly get "MRI" scans. Apparently, the average
American doesn't know that all matter, including people, is made
of atoms and that atoms have nuclei. The NMR/MRI machine
aligns the spins of the nuclei in the atoms in the patient using a big
magnet. Since different atoms have different nuclear spin
resonances, the NMR/MRI machine can see one element at a time.
I have no idea what the sick sick patients were thinking, but that
kind of thinking is what got us into the climate crisis that we are
now in.

32 countries have nuclear power plants. Only 9 have nuclear
bombs. The 4 biggest sources of CO2 have both. They are the
US, China, India and Russia. Canadian Candu reactors run on
UNenriched uranium. Thus proliferation of nuclear weapons is
an irrelevant issue. Every country should have the advantage of
American and Canadian technology so that nuclear power will be
the safest and cleanest energy available.

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Van Jones: Help with education.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 7, 2008 5:29 AM   
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We unfailingly obey instincts that many of us refuse to admit that
we share with all other apes, or even refuse to admit that we have.
Our instincts were created by evolution over the past 400 Million
years or more. Our instincts worked fine before we invented
stone tools and stone weapons. Pre-stone-age instincts do not
make sense in a technological society, yet our instincts are hard
wired programs that we cannot disobey without enormous and
severe training, if at all. Ideally, we need to do genetic
engineering to replace most of our ancient instincts with conscious
computations suited to the age we are in.

We can make a start by requiring all high schools in the US and
the world to require 4 years of physics, 4 years of chemistry, 4
years of biology and 8 years of math for all students. That is the
least you need to be a good common citizen of a technological
society. All colleges should require all majors, even English,
drama and painting, design and sculpture students, to take the
Engineering and Science Core Curriculum + 1 computer course +
1 laboratory course in probability and statistics. The E&S Core
Curriculum is 1.5 years of calculus, 2 years of physics and 1 year
of chemistry. Laboratory is mandatory. In addition, I would
explicitly say to all non-E&S students: "Nature isn't just the final
authority on truth, Nature is the Only authority. There are zero
human authorities. Scientists do not vote on what is the truth.
There is only one vote and Nature owns it. We find out what
Nature's vote is by doing Scientific [public and replicable]
experiments. Scientific [public and replicable] experiments are
the only source of truth. [To be public, it has to be visible to
other people in the room. What goes on inside one person's head
isn't public unless it can be seen on an X-ray or with another
instrument.]"

Reference Book: "The Paranoia Switch" by Martha Stout. The
whole USA needs to be sent to a mental health professional to
switch off the paranoia.

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» Ridiculous Posted by: mgmyers79
You can have either religion or a good job, but not both in the 21st Century.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 7, 2008 5:38 AM   
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The good job depends on Science in the US. The US was the
world's laboratory before the Republicans and religionists declared
war on science. The Bush economic meltdown was caused by
the Republican war on science and by GWB's contracting out of
the government. Perhaps the message got through: Science has
to be taught in science classes in schools if you want a good
economy. Religion is nonsense and a scam. To get the
economy going, government employees have to be allowed to do
their jobs and research has to be fully funded.

Reference: "The Republican War on Science" by Chris
Mooney, 2005, Basic Books.

It has the following URLs:
http://www.waronscience.com/home.php
http://www.chriscmooney.com/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05268/576883.stm

See also:
"Undermining Science, suppression and distortion in the
Bush Administration" by Seth Shulman, 2006
www,ropercenter.uconn.edu

"The Republican War on Science" by Chris Mooney says:

Because Trofim Lysenko convinced Josef Stalin that
genetics is wrong, 12 million people died of starvation.
The coal companies convinced President George W. Bush
[and Senator Inohe] that global warming hasn't happened
and 12 hundred people died in hurricanes in 2005. For the
same reason, people died in the wildfires in Oklahoma. 12
hundred is less than 12 million, but GWB is still comparable
to Stalin. Both adopted anti-science policies for ideological
reasons and thereby murdered large numbers of their own
citizens.

The US economy has been devastated by George W.
Bush's war on science.

There is something that needs to be made explicit: Truth
is not determined by a vote of scientists. Scientists are not
authorities. Nature is the Only authority. There is only
one vote that counts, and Nature casts it. It isn't just "not
nice" to fool Mother Nature, it is impossible. Scientists
understand and believe this so innately that they never say
it, but other people may think that scientists wield power or
authority.
Reference: book: "Science and Immortality" by Charles B.
Paul 1980 University of California Press:
The Eloges of the Paris Academy of Sciences (1699-1791)
page 99: "Science is not so much a natural as a moral
philosophy".
page 106: Nature isn't just the final authority, Nature is the
Only authority. When you try to disobey Nature [In
older language: "When you try to tell God how to run the
Universe".], the result is less subtle than a train wreck: The
rocket explodes on the launch pad. Oklahomans die in
wild fires when it should be winter. The Gulf coast suffers
the worst hurricane season ever. Tornado season extends
into January.

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» The Same Old Story Posted by: Last Chance
Green GROWTH Alliance a questionable title
Posted by: Growthbuster on Nov 7, 2008 6:24 AM   
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Van Jones, you're doing remarkable things and I applaud your efforts and your progress. But I must question both a title containing the word "growth" and the notion that we can preserve our ecosystems while getting rich.

We should be shifting as many as possible out of dirty jobs and into green jobs, rather than adding millions of jobs to the planet year after year. We must acknowledge that every job has a footprint. Yes, if we must add a job, a green one is much better than a dirty one. But if we think we're going to reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere while continuing population growth, job growth and economic growth - just because they are somehow "green" - we really are kidding ourselves.

You may have decided you must promise the kiddies an ice cream cone in order to entice them into the green movement. I worry that will result in change that is too slow to effectively avoid the collapse staring us in the face. It is like moving all the deck chairs on the Titanic to the rear of the ship. We'll feel we're turning away from the iceberg, but that euphoria will be very temporary!

I hope now that we aren't busy doing damage control from the Bush administration, we can put some energy into finding ways to be more intellectually honest with the public about what we need to be doing.

Dave Gardner
Producer/Director
Hooked on Growth: Our Misguided Quest for Prosperity
Join the cause at www.growthbusters.com

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» Going Left Posted by: Growthbuster
» RE: Backlash Posted by: oregoncharles
Wake Up and Face Reality !!!
Posted by: Last Chance on Nov 7, 2008 6:47 AM   
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The reason we have a proliferating crime rate is because we have a proliferating population. Establish family planning clinics around the nation to coordinate with guidance counciling for all children whenever needed and crime will disappear. But the so-called "criminal justice system" is itself criminal and racist, and those who try to reform it are liable to suffer a similar fate as Sandra Levy the aspiring law student murdered in D.C., or Ramos and Campion the two border guards who dared to do their jobs despite a totally corrupted administration of border security. We need a determined Attorney General who will CLEAN HOUSE throughout the USA and create a REAL Justice System that follows the Constitution and the laws for the peace and security of the people!

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» RE: that's not Reality !!! Posted by: Lauren
» As Real As Cancer. Posted by: Last Chance
Obama's Inaugural Poem!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Nov 7, 2008 7:25 AM   
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It is my goal to get in touch with someone from the Obama campaign and share with them my desire to be a part of his inauguration by reciting a poem I wrote called “We Must Change,” and I kindly ask for your help in doing so.
Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

Here are the words! http://www.thinkverybig.com/We%20Must%20Change.htm

“Makes Me Wanna Cry” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

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Lessons from 2006?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 7, 2008 7:49 AM   
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Van Jones participated in a meeting with Pelosi in 2006, the upshot of which was the "Clean Energy Jobs Bill" proposal.

Quick: why didn't it happen? Democratic promises on the eve of the 2006 election included a commitment to remove subsidies from international oil corporations and pass legislation that would make the switch to renewables faster and easier.

All those proposals were either defeated or amended into nothingness. The real bills that passed, often with no press coverage, played right to the standard billionaire interests: Nuclear, oil & coal, agribusiness, pharma, finance and weapons. There has been no windfall tax on oil producers and oil traders - instead they were allowed to manipulate the market and drive up prices to $145, which also played a role in destabilizing and crashing the economy (because the oil money went into the subprime housing market).

There is some good news, however, which is that the Democrats who played along with this strategy are now facing loss of committee chairmanship (like Dingell), but make no mistake, these guys are deep in bed with coal and oil interests - that's where the true "bipartisanship in Congress" can be found.

Not only that, more than half of Wall Street investing is in the energy business - and the last thing they want is widespread competition from the renewables: sunlight, wind and photosynthesis.

Here the real deal: take the amount of cash Americans spend for their monthly electricity and gasoline supply. The U.S. uses some 390 million gallons of gasoline per day... at $3 a gallon? A billion dollars a day... and we are suggesting that this is unnecessary, that wind and solar complemented by biofuels, geothermal, etc. can replace all that fossil fuel consumption.

Well, the people who living high on the hog, who are collecting the monthly electricity bills and the daily gas station receipts from all the "patriotic American consumers" - they're not going to be happy about that, are they?

Ask yourself this: when was the last time a giant cartel-oriented international business concern got all happy about total loss of market share?

That explains why the Democrats were unable to do anything about promoting solar and wind since 2006, however. Now, with a President in the White House, the Democrats will have NO EXCUSE for not making real progress. Some of them are happy about that, but the coal-state lackeys are not.

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» RE: Lessons from 2006? Posted by: Von
The Briefcase
Posted by: Lilly on Nov 7, 2008 8:24 AM   
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I wonder if anybody else shared my reaction when yesterday TV showed Obama getting into a car carrying a briefcase the size of a suitcase packed for a two-week trip: that in eight years, I never once saw George W Bush carrying a briefcase. Of any size.

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» RE: The Briefcase Posted by: Von
A Seven-point, ABC-reasons plan for peace through sustainable, co-operative economic equality
Posted by: john courtneidge on Nov 7, 2008 10:58 AM   
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As an Englishman now living in Toronto, Canada, I'm aware of a pre-Obama - Tony Blair.

If Obama is not to repeat Blair's failure (for us) of the success (for it - capitalism and all other totalitarianisms) of entrenching inequality, then Obama needs to follow through on the following pro-freedom, pro-equality progressive plan.

(For those who dislike certainty-speak in politics, think how certain you are on climate change and, perhaps, ask me for a much expanded political/social/values mapping - on from www.politicalcompass.org - as a pdf 'Politics, Emotions and Personalities' given at the Conference 'Robert Owen for the 21st Century: New Visions of Society' this autumn at New Lanark, Scotland).

So:

Here is a Seven-point, ABC plan to eradicate the five mechanisms* that cause economic inequality, war and the ecocide:

(*Theft of and from the commonweal, rent, interest, profit and unequal pay for work, including no pay for work)

The Seven-point Fair World Action Plan

Objectives:

1) All our sisters are our brothers: and all our brothers are our sisters:

So - Make capital grants (not loans) to developing countries and developing communities.

2) Global stewardship for needs - not private resources for profit:

So - Maximise human needs provision on a co-operative, free-at-the-point-of-use basis,

3) Fair, guaranteed incomes for all:

So - Introduce guaranteed fair income (ie a humane Citizen's Income)for all, and, so, do away with personal and sales taxes,

How:

4) End global exploitation through financial speculation:

By - Reintroducing international exchange controls as necessary,

5) Banking as public service - not as global warfare:

By - Abolishing the legislated right to money-lending and credit-creation for profit,

6) Predistribution not Redistribution:

Through - local, democratically-controlled, not-for-profit, Community Co-op Banks,

7) Co-operation not Coercion:

By - converting all workplaces into appropriate co-operatives (worker co-ops in the market social economy sector and community co-ops in the monopoly, solidarity co-op sector.

Why:

A) Economic equality – particularly equal incomes for all humans - is the *key* necessity for personal, family, social and international peace and well-being:

That’s why - we have to work on the five mechanisms* that create economic inequality

(* Theft of and from the commonweal, rent, interest, profit and unequal pay for work, including no pay for work.)


B) Abolition of profit-seeking and hierarchy has to occur:

This has to be, if we are to quickly and sustainably limit human impact on the planet (ie, eventually, for fewer people to be doing less stuff, longer-lived stuff and more sustainable stuff).

C) That’s why economic equality has to be humanity’s next key step.

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I hope this helps!

john courtneidge

john-at-courtneidgeassociates-dot-com

www.interestfreemoney.org
www.sustainabilitynotcapitalism.blogspot.com

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Dude, sign me up
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 7, 2008 3:10 PM   
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Van, just tell me where to go in socal, man. I'm there! I live in a low-end neighborhood. I talk to people all the time. I'm a Green. My party locally is gone (got 'Bama'd). I'm ready to work, just tell me where the alliance is.

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Obama Should Let The Big 3 Crash and Burn!!
Posted by: EcoConnoisseur on Nov 7, 2008 5:26 PM   
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I believe he (Obama) needs to display “wisdom” and focus on the big 3. One may have to go down and the rise of a green player to replace the fallen may need to be his biggest move! If I was an advisor to President Obama, I would encourage him to not bailout anyone-else (excluding the middle class) and focus on transitioning from the traditional economic giants to investing in the new green giants! One of my own favorite quotes is:

“I happen to deeply agree with the wisdom of Tom Friedman (that we cannot consume of way out of this mess and “Have you ever been to a revolution where nobody gets hurt?”). The fact is that the current economic conditions will cause a lot of companies to close their doors (websites too), and they will die off altogether due to lack of understanding the competitive (innovative) landscape. Just look at Detroit and the Big 3 for example! Those that will fight to stay alive will need to figure out — What’s Next?

I believe that the New Green Economy will include the Rise of Green Real Estate Markets paired with the continued success of Cleantech, Clean Energy Markets, and large scale shifts toward Clean Transportation, and the Greening of the IT Industries (plus a fourth quarter of record investment!!), which will lead to a boom in “American Made” Green Collar Jobs and the creation of new wealth. The trick is: “who will get it right??” Execution makes all the difference for most of these opportunities and green investors need to pay more attention to the items that management claim they can achieve.” - Yeves Perez, Founder of EcoInvestmentClub.com - Nov 2008

See more on talk on Fast Company:
http://www.fastcompany.com

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Dear Van Jones:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 7, 2008 8:22 PM   
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Your background is in something I don't know much about. It
appears to be political or community organizing. My background
is in the hard science called physics and in engineering. Whether
it is the end of civilization caused by global warming or the
extinction of Homo Sapiens that is the problem, the way to solve it
has to be decided by scientists and engineers. That is because it
is a physical problem. CO2 is a physical and chemical substance.
The fact that CO2 is opaque to infrared light is a physics
laboratory fact. How to make energy is a science and
engineering problem. It requires specialized knowledge and skill
to solve. Sorry, but it IS NOT a decision to be made by
politicians. The decision to be made by politicians is to act on the
recommendations of scientists and engineers. That decision must
be to overcome the resistance of the $100 Billion per year [in the
US alone] coal industry and the psychological problems that the
coal industry propaganda has caused. Lack of education has also
caused a lot of problems. There are many coal industry shills and
people who think, mistakenly, that they can get rich with wind
and solar energy. [They can make money if they get government
subsidies, but they cannot make a sufficient and steady supply of
electricity.]

Community organizing for so-called "green" energy, meaning
wind and solar, DOES NOT HELP us avoid the fall of civilization
or the extinction of the human race. Community organizing for
so-called "green" energy, meaning wind and solar, only adds to
the confusion and resistance to the real solution. You are
effectively working for the coal industry when you advocate wind
and solar. If you, as a community organizer, want to help, start
with education, yours and your followers. If you or they didn't
take all of the science classes your high school offered, you should
start by taking those high school science classes. Warning: High
school science teachers may not know their subject well enough
to avoid repeating coal industry propaganda. You may need to
take some high school math courses if you didn't take all of them.

If you really want to help, Please Read: "Environmentalists for
Nuclear Energy", by B. Comby
English edition, 2001, 345 pp. (soft cover), Price: 38 Euros
TNR Editions, 266 avenue Daumesnil, 75012 Paris, France;
ISBN 2-914190-02-6
Here is the only place you can get it from:
order from here
Read a review of this book by the American Health Physics Society at:
HealthPhysics

Another even more easily readable book that is more likely to be
available in libraries is: "Power to Save the World; The Truth About
Nuclear Energy" by Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful
book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-
nuclear activist. She "converted" when she learned the true facts.

Nuclear power is 30% cheaper than the coal power we have been
duped into using. We have 5000 years worth of nuclear fuel if
we recycle it rather than waste it as we do now. Nuclear is also
the safest, cleanest and cheapest form of energy available. There
will be plenty of jobs involved in the construction and operation of
the thousands of new nuclear plants and related industries.

Sincerely,
www.ecolo.org
The Association of Environmentalists For Nuclear Energy [EFN]

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Race and justice are irrelevant when civilization falls or Homo Sap goes extinct.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 7, 2008 8:34 PM   
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Downloaded from:
Six Degrees

'Six steps to hell' - summary of Six Degrees as published in the Guardian
23 April 07:

1ºC Nebraska ...shortened... These innocuous-looking hills were once desert, part
of an immense system of sand dunes that spread across the Great Plains from
Texas in the south to the Canadian prairies in the north. Six thousand years ago,
when temperatures were about 1C warmer than today in the US, these deserts may
have looked much as the Sahara does today. ....shortened... devastating
agriculture and driving out human inhabitants on a scale far larger than the 1930s
“Dustbowl” exodus.....shortened...

2ºC ....shortened...Two degrees is also enough to cause the eventual complete
melting of the Greenland ice sheet, which would raise global sea levels by seven
metres. ...shortened...

3ºC Scientists estimate that we have at best 10 years to bring down global carbon
emissions if we are to stabilise world temperatures within two degrees of their
present levels. ....shortened... 3C may be the “tipping point” where global
warming could run out of control, leaving us powerless to intervene as planetary
temperatures soar. The centre of this predicted disaster is the Amazon, where the
tropical rainforest, which today extends over millions of square kilometres, would
burn down in a firestorm of epic proportions. ...shortened... Once the trees have
gone, desert will appear and the carbon released by the forests’ burning will be
joined by still more from the world’s soils. This could boost global temperatures
by a further 1.5ºC – tippping us straight into the four-degree world.
....shortened...

4ºC At four degrees another tipping point is almost certain to be crossed; indeed,
it could happen much earlier. ....shortened... hundreds of billions of tonnes of
carbon locked up in Arctic permafrost – particularly in Siberia – enter the melt
zone, releasing globally warming methane and carbon dioxide in immense
quantities. ....shortened...

5ºC ....shortened... methane hydrates. This unlikely substance, a sort of ice-like
combination of methane and water that is only stable at low temperatures and high
pressure, may have burst into the atmosphere from the seabed in an immense
“ocean burp”, sparking a surge in global temperatures ....shortened... . Today vast
amounts of these same methane hydrates still sit on subsea continental shelves. As
the oceans warm, they could be released once more in a terrifying echo of that
methane belch of 55 million years ago. In the process, moreover, the seafloor
could slump as the gas is released, sparking massive tsunamis ....shortened...

6ºC ....shortened... end of the Permian period, 251 million years ago. By the end
of this calamity, up to 95% of species were extinct. The end-Permian wipeout is
the nearest this planet has ever come to becoming just another lifeless rock drifting
through space. ....shortened... most of the world’s plant cover was removed in a
catastrophic bout of soil erosion. Rocks also show a “fungal spike” as plants and
animals rotted in situ. Still more corpses were washed into the oceans, helping to
turn them stagnant and anoxic. ....shortened...
Whatever happened back then to wipe out 95% of life on Earth ....shortened... we
mess with the climatic thermostat of this planet at our extreme – and growing –
peril.

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Wind turbines work very well on Neptune where the wind blows 900 miles per hour. On earth, wind is a 15% solution at best.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 7, 2008 8:50 PM   
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Global Ocean Wind Energy Potential according to NASA

Wind Energy Potential according to NASA
Large images [On the original web site. If you look at the images, you see
that the best wind is at very INconvenient locations, like near Antarctica and in the
North Pacific ocean.]

Wind energy has the potential to provide 10 to 15 percent of the world’s future
energy, according to Paul Dimotakis, chief technologist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion
Laboratory. Once windmills are installed, wind can be converted to electricity
inexpensively. But not everyone likes wind farms. The giant collection of whirling
blades mars scenic views and can kill birds and bats, particularly if located in a
high-traffic flyway. To minimize these risks, one solution may be to place wind
farms in the ocean. Wind tends to blow stronger over the ocean than over land.
The ocean presents a smooth surface over which wind can glide without
interruption, while hills, mountains, and forests tend to slow or channel wind over
land.

But, as any sailor could tell you, wind over the ocean isn’t consistent. In some
places, the air is still, while in others, the wind blows fiercely. To identify potential
wind farm locations, NASA scientists Tim Liu, Wenqing Tang, and Xiaosu Xie, all
at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, mapped out average wind intensity over the
ocean between 2000 and 2007. They created their maps from data collected by
NASA’s Quick Scatterometer (QuickSCAT), which measures wind speed and
direction over the world’s oceans. The satellite sends pulses of microwave energy
through the atmosphere to the ocean surface and measures the energy that bounces
back from the wind-roughened surface. The energy of the microwave pulses
changes depending on wind speed and direction. The scientists averaged
QuikSCAT’s measured wind speeds by season, and then calculated the wind
power density, the amount of energy that could be derived from a wind turbine in a
given location. Their maps for the winter and summer seasons are shown here.

Wind strength is influenced by seasonal patterns, land-ocean interactions, land
topography, and ocean temperatures. All of these interactions are evident in this
pair of images. Areas of high wind power density, where winds are strongest, are
purple, while low power density regions are light blue and white.

The largest patterns shown in the images are seasonal patterns. In December,
January, and February, winter storms fuel strong winds in the mid-latitudes of the
Northern Hemisphere. In June, July, and August, winter reigns in the Southern
Hemisphere, and the pattern is reversed. The Asian monsoon also controls the
seasonal distribution of wind. In June, July, and August, strong winds gust across
the Bay of Bengal and the Arabian Sea. From December to February, the monsoon
winds blow over the East China Sea. Finally, the trade winds trace their way
across the tropics, stronger in the winter than in the summer.

==================article continues at the URL above=========

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How religion is related to the collapse of civilization:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 7, 2008 9:48 PM   
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In "Collapse, How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed," Jared
Diamond discusses how religion has played a role in the collapse
of many civilizations. Christianity contributed to the collapse of
the Greenland Viking civilization. If the Greenland Vikings had
spent their money on iron to make weapons and tools, they would
have had a better chance of survival. Instead they bought stained
glass windows and religious goods at a time when their sickles
were worn down to the point of looking like box cutters. The
Greenland Vikings stuck to their "Christian" and European values
when the Inuits [Eskimos] could have taught them how to hunt
whales and some kinds of seals. The Greenland Vikings stuck to
their dislike of fish while starving to death. The climate got
colder as well, but the Greenland Vikings could have survived if
they had been willing to give up their old time religion and values.
The Greenland Vikings killed the Inuits [Eskimos] they met when
they should have married into Inuit [Eskimo] society to get the
benefit of the successful Arctic lifestyle and culture of the Inuits
[Eskimos].
The inhabitants of Easter Island destroyed their environment and
caused their civilization to collapse to make more of their statue
gods.
If the Americans continue to choose religion and coal burning
over science and nuclear power, the civilization you are now part
of will collapse when global warming causes agriculture to
collapse.
Religionists will, of course, resist any change in values
regardless of the fact that a change in values is necessary for
survival. This is an issue of the preachers' income. In the end,
the preachers may be eaten, but it is too late by that time.
[Cannibalism has been proven in the case of the fall of Anasazi
civilization in Chaco Canyon. The Anasazi hunted their
neighbors at the end.]

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Van Jones: Almost all of the radiation in your body is identical to the radiation in your distant ancestor's bodies, centuries ago.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 8, 2008 11:22 AM   
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Most of the difference comes from medical X-rays and coal fired
power plants. Natural Background Radiation according to
Gwyneth Cravens:
Reference: "Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear
Energy" by Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about
nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 35: Your golf clubs may contain depleted uranium [DU].
Don't worry, and don't confuse DU with spent fuel. DU is what is
removed from the uranium to make it enriched in U235. DU is
pure U238. U238 has such a long half life that it is almost not
radioactive. DU is safe to handle, but don't eat it because it is a
chemical poison. Heavy metals in general are poisons, radioactive
or not. DU has other uses that depend on its high density.

Page 70: Natural background radiation where the author happens
to be at the time is higher than what people living at Chernobyl are
getting. The US national average background radiation is 360
millirems/year.

Page 71: The natural background radiation in northeastern
Washington state is 1700 millirem/year.
The natural background radiation on the Zuni uplift is 500 to 700
millirem/year.
The natural background radiation in New Mexico is greater than the
calculated dose from the Three Mile Island meltdown, if you were
next to the reactor.
A chest x-ray gives you 10 millirem.

Page 72: The natural background radiation inside Grand Central
Station is 600 millirem/year because Grand Central Station is made
of granite. [ALL rocks are radioactive.]
The allowed exposure to the public from a nuclear power plant is
15 millirem/year.
A set of dental X-rays gives you 39 millirem.

Page 74: Smoking a pack and a half of cigarettes a day gives your
bronchial airways 1300 millirems/year according to the NCRP or
8000 millirems/year according to the National Academy of
Sciences.

Page 76: The cancer rate in New Mexico is much lower than the
national average but the natural background radiation is much
higher than average. The highest rates of cancer are around heavy
industry, chemical factories and petrochemical factories. [Benzene,
a petroleum distillate, is a very powerful carcinogen.]

Page 77: Natural gas contains radon, a radioactive gas.

Page 86: Among 80000 nuclear bomb survivors from Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, the cancer rate was only 6% higher than expected.
Radiation is very weak at causing cancer.

Page 90: At Chernobyl, only 13 to 30% of the reactor's 190 metric
tons of fuel evaporated. .13X190=24.7 tons.
.3X190=57 tons. [Much lower than the previous estimate of 200
tons, and trivial compared to what coal fired power plants give
you.]

Page 98: There is a table of millirems per year from the
background in a list of inhabited places. Here are some of them.
Chernobyl: 490 millirem/year
Guarapari, Brazil: 3700 millirem/year
Tamil Nadu, India: 5300 millirem/year
Ramsar, Iran: 8900 to 13200 millirem/year
Zero excess cancer deaths are recorded. All of the above readings
are natural except for Chernobyl.

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Dear Van Jones: How do you suppose it is that we can date ancient mummies with radioactive carbon they ate thousands of years ago?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 8, 2008 11:31 AM   
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation

Background radiation is the ionizing radiation from several natural radiation
sources: sources in the Earth and from those sources that are incorporated in our
food and water, which are incorporated in our body, and in building materials and
other products that incorporate those radioactive sources; radiation sources from
space (in the form of cosmic rays); and sources in the atmosphere which primarily
come from both the radon gas that is released from the earth's surface and
subsequently decays to radioactive atoms that become attached to airborne dust
and particulates, and the production of radioactive atoms from the bombardment
of atoms in the upper atmosphere by high-energy cosmic rays. Since 1945 it also
comes from low levels of global radioactive contamination due to nuclear testing.

............shortened.............

Natural background radiation

Natural background radiation comes from three primary sources: cosmic radiation,
terrestrial sources, and radon. The worldwide average background dose for a
human being is about 2.4 mSv per year. This exposure is mostly from cosmic
radiation and natural isotopes in the Earth.

Cosmic radiation

The Earth, and all living things on it, are constantly bombarded by radiation from
outside our solar system of positively charged ions from protons to iron nuclei.
This radiation interacts in the atmosphere to create secondary radiation that rains
down, including X-rays, muons, protons, alpha particles, pions, electrons, and
neutrons. The dose from cosmic radiation is largely from muons, neutrons, and
electrons.

The dose rate from cosmic radiation varies in different parts of the world based
largely on the geomagnetic field and altitude.

Terrestrial sources

Radioactive material is found throughout nature. It occurs naturally in the soil,
rocks, water, air, and vegetation. The major radionuclides of concern for terrestrial
radiation are potassium, uranium and thorium. Each of these sources has been
decreasing in activity since the birth of the Earth so that our present dose from
potassium-40 is about 1⁄2 what it would have been at the dawn of life on Earth.
Some of the elements that make up the human body have radioactive isotopes,
such as potassium-40, so there is also a very small amount of internal radiation.

Radon

Radon gas seeps out of uranium-containing soils found across most of the world
and may concentrate in well-sealed homes. It is often the single largest contributor
to an individual's background radiation dose and is certainly the most variable in
the United States. Many areas of the world, including Cornwall and Aberdeenshire
in the United Kingdom have high enough natural radiation levels that nuclear
licensed sites cannot be built there—the sites would already exceed legal radiation
limits before they opened, and the natural topsoil and rock would all have to be
disposed of as low-level nuclear waste.

............shortened.............

The exposure for an average person is about 360 millirems/year, 80 percent of
which comes from natural sources of radiation. The remaining 20 percent results
from exposure to artificial radiation sources, such as medical X-rays and a small
fraction from nuclear weapons tests.

............shortened.............

Reference:
http://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2000_1.html

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The real truth: Nuclear power is cheapest in spite of coal company propaganda.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 8, 2008 11:41 AM   
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"Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear Energy" by Gwyneth
Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens
is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 13 has a chart of greenhouse gas emissions from electricity production.
Nuclear power produces less greenhouse gas [CO2] than any other source,
including coal, natural gas, hydro, solar and wind. Building wind turbines and
towers also involve industrial processes such as concrete and steel making.

Nuclear power plants produce a total of 30 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour, the
lowest. This is the full life cycle CO2 output. There are no hidden CO2 outputs.

Wind turbines produce a total of 58 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Solar power produces between 100 and 280 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Hydro power produces 240 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Natural gas produces between 439 and 688 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Coal plants produce the most, between 966 and 1306 grams of CO2 per kilowatt
hour, the highest.

Remember the total is the sum of direct emissions from burning fuel and indirect
emissions from the life cycle, which means the industrial processes required to
build it. Again, nuclear comes in the lowest. Nuclear would produce even less
CO2 per kilowatt hour if the safety were lowered to the same level as other
sources of electricity. Switching from coal to nuclear is a 97% reduction in
electricity's 40% of our CO2 output. The refereed scenarios from the IPCC
failed to hold the CO2 down to 450 parts per million. You can't without building
something like 10,000 new nuclear power plants world wide to replace every coal
fired power plant on the planet. The 10,000 includes replacing all Generation 1
[Chernobyl style] power plants with safe American Generation 4 technology.
Let's get it done.

Page 211: In 2005, the production cost of electricity from:

nuclear power on average cost 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.00 times nuclear's
price. This is the full and total price. There are no hidden costs. There are no
subsidies. There are no tricks. 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour is all of it.
[Supposed subsidies cover the cost caused by irrational protesters. That is a cost
of civil order, not a cost of nuclear power. The price would be lower if the safety
level were lowered to equal other sources of electricity.]

from coal-fired plants 2.21 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.28 times nuclear's price

from natural gas 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.36 times nuclear's price

from oil 8.09 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.7 times nuclear's price

Wind fits in here.

solar in a sunny place 22 to 40 cents per kilowatt-hour 12.79 to 23.26 times
nuclear's price

American nuclear power reactors operated in 2005 around the clock
at about 90 percent capacity

geothermal plants operated at 75 percent capacity

coal-fired plants operated at about 73 percent capacity

hydroelectric plants at 29 percent capacity

natural gas from 16 to 38 percent capacity

wind at 27 percent capacity

solar at 19 percent capacity

[Batteries not included but required for wind and solar. Why did wind and solar
operate so far below capacity? Simple: Wind power never works when the
wind isn't blowing. Solar only works at maximum during the noon hour.]

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I take note one may lead a whore to culture, but you can't make him think!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 8, 2008 12:07 PM   
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I have heard many things in my life about radiation. I have read extensively and been involved in nuclear chemistry as a lab worker. I used to keep a sample box in my lab to do calibrations on the GM counter in the hall closet.

Surface ionization continually applied can cause skin cancers. Deeper ionizations like the ones caused by Gamma radiations can cause bone cancers and cancers of the reproductive cells of the body.

X-radiation can cause total destruction of the immune system which will lead to death by ANY invasive Bacterium or Virus. This is the Radiation used in cancer therapy. No matter what kind of SPIN you put on nuclear energy there are HAZZARDS to be dealt with. None for me thanks, you may keep it all for yourself.

Delta radiation gives the appearance of burns like sunburn but will show emitted alpha radiation from the affected area like someone exposed to hard high bomb blast radiation. It is painful but generally not fatal.

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Egypt alone has 10 places that could be uranium mines.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 8, 2008 7:14 PM   
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There are thousands of other places to mine uranium around the
world. Many or most other countries have mineable uranium.
Iran has ample uranium mines of its own. That is why nobody
can stop Iran from going nuclear by cutting off its uranium supply.
Recall that neither the Soviets nor the Chinese nor any other
nuclear power except Israel and Japan ever failed to develop
anything nuclear for lack of a uranium mine on its own territory.
Australia has more than 18 places where uranium is, was or could
be mined. England has natural ground that would have to be
disposed of as radioactive waste if anybody tried to put a reactor
there. A country in Africa was the location of a natural reactor
that went critical millions of years before humans evolved. It
produced heat for thousands of years, until it used up its fuel
supply. Before uranium ore was discovered, the Manhattan
Project considered mining uranium out of coal fly ash. There is
far more uranium in the core of the earth. What do you suppose
keeps the core molten?

Why indeed aren't we mining more uranium? Especially since
we can now get the uranium out with almost no effect on the
surface?:
In-situ leach
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-situ_leach

In-situ leaching (ISL), also called in-situ recovery (ISR) or
solution mining, is a process of recovering minerals such as
copper and uranium through boreholes drilled into the deposit.
The process initially involves drilling of holes into the ore deposit.
Explosive or hydraulic fracturing may be used to create open
pathways in the deposit for solution to penetrate. Leaching
solution is pumped into the deposit where it makes contact with
the ore. The solution bearing the dissolved ore content is then
pumped to the surface and processed. This process allows the
extraction of metals and salts from an ore body without the need
for conventional mining involving drill-and-blast, open-cut or
underground mining.

PS: If you want to catch cancer, try benzene, a petroleum
distillate. Radiation doesn't work very well.

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Speaking of eternal toxicity:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 8, 2008 7:33 PM   
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"Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear Energy" by Gwyneth
Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is
a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 140: "Troublemakers know we humans instinctively tend to" think of the
worst case as the prediction. People think the false urban legends about
Chernobyl are the norm. [Human instincts were evolved over the past 400
Million years of pre-stone-age. Human instincts are no longer applicable, but,
without training as a scientist, most people operate instinctively. Your instincts,
and mine, are just plain wrong.] Probabilistic Risk Assessment is a much better
method of making decisions, but it requires a lot of science, math and computer
time. We have accumulated 12 Thousand reactor years of safe operation.
[Chernobyl is unlike any reactor in the western world. American reactors can
NOT do what Chernobyl did.]

Page 187: The health effects of the Three Mile Island meltdown were
psychological.

Page 197: "If you live within fifty miles of a coal-fired plant, you're exposed to
0.03 millirem a year. Living near a nuclear plant exposes you to 0.009 millirem a
year." "Those [soft coal burning] plants give off four hundred times more radio
nuclides a year than a nuclear plant-one to four millirem." "In the United States in
1999, coal combustion produced over 1,000 tons of uranium and 2,500 tons of
thorium. This is enough fissile material to exceed the amount consumed by all the
nuclear power reactors in the country in a year. After World War II, when
scientists believed uranium to be rare, they considered extracting it from fly ash."

Page 249: "The manufacture of photovoltaic panels requires highly toxic heavy
metals, gasses, and solvents that are carcinogenic. ........ If a residential fire burns
a solar panel, people would be at risk for exposure to toxic vapors and smoke, ... .
If modules are dumped into municipal landfills, then heavy metals such as arsenic
and lead can leach into the soil and water table. Hundreds of thousands of years
from now, some of those substances will still not have decayed: their life spans are
essentially eternal."

Page 269: "[E]very day the collective households and industries of America
throw away nearly a million tons of garbage containing toxic heavy metals and
dangerous chemicals, as well as plastics that will never break down. That garbage
will be our culture's real legacy, enduring for millions of years after all the present
nuclear waste has decayed."

Page 290: There is a mistake: She says that the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant in
New Mexico is the only nuclear waste repository in operation. France has one.

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