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Controversial Michael Moore Flick 'Sicko' Will Compare U.S. Health Care With Cuba's

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted April 23, 2007.


Moore's new film, debuting in Cannes this May, tackles the failures of the U.S. health care system and includes a segment where 9/11 rescue workers visit Cuba for treatment they couldn't get in America.
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To state that controversy and Michael Moore go hand and hand is to utter the obvious, and Moore's latest film Sicko will clearly be no exception.

Sicko, which will be premiering at the Cannes Film Festival in May, is a comic broadside against the state of American health care, including the mental health system. The film targets drug companies and the HMOS in the richest country in the world -- where the most money is spent on health care, but where the U.S. ranks 21st in life expectancy among the 30 most developed nations, obviously in part due to the fact that 47 million people are without health insurance.

The timing of Moore's film is propitious. Twenty-two percent of Americans say that health care is the most pressing issue in America. Health care will clearly be a major issue in the upcoming presidential campaign, as the problems with America's health care system have mushroomed during the Bush administration. For example, between 2001 and 2005 the number of people without health insurance rose 16.6 percent. The average health insurance premiums for a family of four are $10,880, which exceeds the annual gross income of $10,712 for a full-time, minimum-wage worker. In addition, the lack of insurance causes 18,000 excess deaths a year while people without health insurance have 25 percent higher mortality rates. Fifty-nine percent of uninsured people with chronic conditions such as asthma or diabetes skip medicine or go without care.

Under wraps, but one surprise out of the bag

The details of Moore's new film are being kept under tight wraps. According to inside sources, only a handful of people have seen the film, and both the film maker and Harvey Weinstein -- the film's distributor, who also distributed Moore's hugely successful Fahrenheit 9/11 -- are remaining tight-lipped about the film's contents.

Nevertheless, one aspect of the film will not be a total surprise. One of the film's segments, an increasingly controversial boat trip to Cuba, exploded onto the pages of The New York Post, the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid, when at least one 9/11 cleanup worker who had been invited to participate in a trip to Cuba for Moore's Sicko went to the press.

The boat trip, according to sources who spoke to both the NY Post and The Daily News, took ailing rescue workers to Cuba for health treatment for respiratory ailments which they suffer as a result of working at Ground Zero, and for which a number of the workers have no health insurance. The purpose of the trip, according to some, was to show that the free health care in Cuba is superior to the health care system in the U.S. Those invited on the trip, as described by Janon Fisher in the Post, were told the "Cuban doctors had developed new techniques for treating lung cancer and other respiratory illnesses," and that health care in Cuba was free.

Health care advances in Cuba

According to the Associated Press as cited in the Post article, "Cuba has made recent advancements in biotechnology and exports its treatments to 40 countries around the world, raking in an estimated $100 million a year. ... In 2004, the U.S. government granted an exception to its economic embargo against Cuba and allowed a California drug company to test three cancer vaccines developed in Havana."

Although trip participants signed confidentiality agreements prohibiting them from talking about the trip, some thought the trip a success. From the NY Post:

"From what I hear through the grapevine those people who went are utterly happy, said John Feal, who runs the Fealgood Foundation to raise money for responders and was approached by Moore to find responders willing to take the trip. "They got the Elvis treatment."

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Don Hazen is the executive editor of AlterNet.

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Posted by: Eat Politicians on Apr 23, 2007 2:21 AM   
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WATCH....

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Welcome Back, Michael Moore
Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 23, 2007 3:56 AM   
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I've said this befor but it bears repeating: Michael Moore is a national treasure. His upcoming film will probably be his most controversial to date. To say that America's health care system is dysfunctional is the understatement of the century. So he took these 9/11 victims to Cuba to get treated? What a hoot! He is the political prankster supreme!

One hundred years from now when people like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are mere footnotes in American history - relegated to the historical trash bins - they will be conducting college courses on Michael Moore.

I'm seriously thinking about organiziing a Michael Moore Film Festival this summer. Not far from where I live, there is a little town callen Rosedale, NY which would be a perfect site for the event. It's an "arsty" little burg with a movie theater that tends to screen documentaries and classics. That would be one heck of a party! Maybe Fourth of July weekend. Anybody have plans for that weekend?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY.
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Also can't wait
Posted by: missjibba on Apr 23, 2007 3:59 AM   
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I'm also really looking forward to this movie.

I must make a slight correction, however. It was the masterful "Bowling for Columbine" which won the Oscar for best documentary. Who can forget Moore's stirring speech at the ceremony?

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Healthy and Wealthy
Posted by: DrLynn on Apr 23, 2007 4:21 AM   
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The boat trip, according to sources who spoke to both the NY Post and The Daily News, took ailing rescue workers to Cuba for health treatment for respiratory ailments which they suffer as a result of working at Ground Zero, and for which a number of the workers have no health insurance.

But you may remember that the government gave millions to the families of the stock brokers, bond dealers, etc that were in the twin towers when it went down - which some of the families said was not enough. But the workers do not seem to count enough even to get health care

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» YEP!!! Posted by: greekTowner
Cuba
Posted by: marxalot on Apr 23, 2007 4:30 AM   
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Well, it goes without saying that Castro's government would jump at the chance to be compared favorably to the U.S. in a high profile documentary. If I sneak into Cuba without Michael and his cameras, what sort of health care might I expect? Or prison cell maybe? Moore does embrace controversy, you got to give him that.

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Moore is no journalist—thank God!
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 23, 2007 5:16 AM   
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If you want accurate reporting, ignore Michael Moore and read newspapers instead. But if you want American society exposed with all its faults (and glory), see his films.

I will never forget watching President Bush in Fahrenheit 9/11-- frozen by what only could’ve been fear after being told about the first Twin Tower attack.

I couldn’t helping thinking that John Kerry would have immediately left the room and taken command of the situation. Not Shrub. For seven long minutes, he continued reading a grade school book ironically titled “The Goat” while waiting for someone to tell him what to do. Had more Americans made that connection – inaction and inept leadership -- Kerry would have won in 2004.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Bowling Again
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 23, 2007 5:31 AM   
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As the sad story of the Virginia Tech massacre unfolded in the media and Tom Delay called for arming students, I could only think that "Bowling for Columbine" needs a re-release. Michael Moore is a propagandist of the best kind; we give free speech to Exxon, for Pete's sake, and smile tolerantly when they lie about global warming. If Moore can give us a vision by which we can reform our health care system, he should get another Oscar and a Pulitzer to boot.

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View from the UK
Posted by: Cruella on Apr 23, 2007 5:32 AM   
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The frightening think here is that while our health system may be superior ro the US, we are hurtling in the direction of yours at an alarming speed. Privatisation and increasing fees for services and "patient choice" - meaning you have to pay for anything above the absolute minimum of care.

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MOORE IS LATE WITH SICKO
Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 23, 2007 5:48 AM   
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I think most would agree that the U.S. Health Care System is on the ropes and finally ripe for change

Moore's film will just be another nail in the coffin. I would have liked to see it come out at least a year ago.

His comparison to Cuba will probably not be taken too seriously by the health care reform players.

Still I can't wait to see SICKO!

Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com
Single payer with much more prevention advocate

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» RE: MOORE IS LATE WITH SICKO Posted by: anonimus1
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Red Brown and Blue Party comment
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 23, 2007 6:09 AM   
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Moore is a clever communicator. His pairing of the free socialist system of Cuba and the expensive capitalist system of the U.S. is instructive. We are so brainwashed by the MSM and their moneyist/capitalist owners that it's almost impossible to get a clear perspective. The RBB believes each person has a right to health care which would be easily affordable in a just society that wasn't addicted to war and money. We the People come before We the Money on a scale of just values.

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This was a real gem
Posted by: AdamG on Apr 23, 2007 6:08 AM   
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On the other hand, some balked at the idea of going: "I would rather die an American than go to Cuba," Joe Picurro told the NY Post. Picurro, an ironworker with a laundry list of respiratory and other ailments, said, "I just laughed. I couldn't do it. "

So Joe, let's get this straight. Your own government pulls a false flag operation, you get sick being "collateral damage", but you're too patriotic to get treatment from a pinko commie dictator? You Joe, are a real American, you make us all proud.

God Bless America!

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"The Hospital"---- 1971
Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 23, 2007 6:35 AM   
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"We have created the most enormous medical entity ever conceived, and people are sicker than ever! We cure NOTHING! We heal NOTHING!"

---George C. Scott, in "The Hospital" (1971)

Check out this great movie from the early 70's, a time when they made real movies about REAL issues. A movie still pertinent today.

Sadly, we have not only made no progress from 30 years ago, but have actually gotten worse.

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Sick Care
Posted by: snowhound on Apr 23, 2007 6:49 AM   
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The American health care system is a fraud from the ground up. It's not about free health care for all. Our health is controlled by the drug companies who spend billions in advertisement money to promote more drugs that make people sick. They control the FDA and supress Alternative medicine and drive up drug prices to ridiculous levels. The US child mortality rate is ranked 44th in the world. Did you know that when Japan changed their vaccine schedule for infants to begin at the age of 2 years they went from 21st to # 1 in this category. This proves how dangerous vaccines can be to our children. Autism has risen to epidemic levels. We are a sick nation because we have a Sick Care system that is more interested in making money than actually making people healthy. Our seniors are on so many prescription drugs at the costs of our federal tax dollars. How about growing old and dying when it's time instead of being pumped up on loads of drugs just to stay alive in a semi-vegetative state for maybe 3 more years. The greatest health advancement in the last 100 years has been sanitation and clean water. Antibiotics can be considered life saving, but even those are over prescribed. The problem with drugs is that they don't treat what's causing the problem, they mask it. They all have eventual side effects which lead to taking more drugs. On a good note we have the best emergency care in the world. If you have been in an accident our surgeons are the most skilled and you have a good chance of recovering.

It's time to start eating whole healthy foods that are not stripped pf their nutritional value by pasteurization or irradiation. Seek out local food sources that don't use pesticides and meat that is pasture raised. Take control of your health and realize that God created your body with innate intelligence to heal itself. Seek out Alternative therapies and natural medicines. Use detoxification as a way to enable your body to heal itself.

Our government wants to eliminate all forms of natural food and medicines because a sick nation on drugs generates trillions of dollars into the pockets Pharma companies and ultimately themselves.

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Take From An Insider
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 23, 2007 6:52 AM   
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20 years in healthcare. The US system is an effing mess, designed to make the most money for the most minimal service delivered in the most impersonal fashion. The MBA's moved into healthcare and have ruined everything they have touched.

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Michael Moore gets it wrong again
Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 23, 2007 7:22 AM   
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He blew it with 'Bowling for Columbine' by totally misleading the public with the evidence: in fact the whole high school shootings thing started in Canada (check the facts it was in 1976 in Ottawa), and Canada's gun control laws have not made the place immune to nut jobs going ballistic with a weapon (Montreal 1989, 2006 etc. etc.).

Moore does the same again with healthcare. In fact both Britain and Canada are by the day adopting the American mixed market model. Just today the British Medical Association has published a report detailing how people in the UK have to pay extra to get treatment in that 'free' system and that the whole thing is moving rapidly to becoming a market system. We see in Canada similar trends well underway.

What is good about the US system, apart from the British and Canadian, is that you pay and you get something. In Britain you pay through your taxes and national insurance, and then you have to pay again when you actually need healthcare. Only because it is a stalinistic, sneaky system, nothing is made clear and you have to do the equivalent of bribing doctors to jump the queue and get timely treatment before you die. That is why Brits more and more take-off to Europe to get treated because, hey, if you got to pay, you might as well pay less and get a system that doesn't kill you off with deadly bugs and incompetence. Because that is Britain.

Healthcare needs to be managed through insurance schemes: there are just too many choices these days. I do agree the Cubans have an excellent community health system (I have used it) and we could learn a lot from it. But as for Canada and the UK, forget it.

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Moore, the perennnial useful idiot
Posted by: Robert2007 on Apr 23, 2007 7:27 AM   
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Michael Moore was taken to the hospitals that Castro has built for tourists and foreigners who are living in Cuba and are able to pay the dictator with euros, Canadian or American dollars.
But to say that regular Cubans receive that same type of health care is preposterous and shows Moore's lack of information about the reality of life under Castro for the regular Cubans.
If you want to see how the hospital for Cubans look like, not the ones where Moore was taken to by his Cuban handlers, click here:
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

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More of the same old shit from the fat liar.
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Apr 23, 2007 8:42 AM   
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I love it when you guys start using that fat fraud Michael Moore or one of his movies as grounds for a movement against another facet of the capitalist system. The problem with "sicko" is that it is one more use of lies stated as fact and presented to the sychophant left who all rise and shout "hurrah"!...let the "truth" be told! Guess what? Cuba's healthcare ain't near as good as American health care and it will never be as good as American healthcare. You see the problem with Cuba is that they have no developing medical technology and no drug R&D and they have little in the way of specialized treatments for conditions such as AIDS. I know Michael Moorer would like to see the world develop into his vision of Utopia.... but the reality is that there is no and never will be an Utopia for liberals no matter how much you wish it so. You might as well realize that the best damn medical care available is right here in the good old US of A. Our system has problems but we should be working to minimize those problems and streamline the ability for the working poor to obtain basic insurance coverage. Tax credits perhaps might work for the poor. Subjecting the country to a gummint controled medical care system isn't going to help anyone except the neo-totalitarian wanna-bees who think gummint the end all and be all of life.

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USA vs Cuban Infant Mortality...
Posted by: picket on Apr 23, 2007 8:46 AM   
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There were several news articles past weekend re the rising infant mortality in the deep south, specifically Mississippi.

11.4/1000 in Mississippi [2007]
6.0/1000 in Cuba [2002]

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MUCH BETTER DOCUMENTARIES, WATCH THESE INSTEAD
Posted by: anonimus1 on Apr 23, 2007 8:59 AM   
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Aaron Russo, the guy famous for making the movies "The Rose" and "Trading Places," and for bringing Led Zeppelin to America, makes Michael Moore look like he works for the Bush Administration. Russo's film gets straight to the core point of America's problems. WATCH HIS FILM.

AMERICA: From Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-4312730277175242198&q=aaron+russo&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)

Also worth watching, as it goes more in-depth on the same topics...
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)

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AARON RUSSO MAKES MICHAEL MOORE LOOK INFANTILE
Posted by: anonimus1 on Apr 23, 2007 9:02 AM   
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Aaron Russo, the guy famous for making the movies "The Rose" and "Trading Places," and for bringing Led Zeppelin to America, makes Michael Moore look like he works for the Bush Administration. Russo's film gets straight to the core point of America's problems. WATCH HIS FILM.

AMERICA: From Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-4312730277175242198&q=aaron+russo&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)

Also worth watching, as it goes more in-depth on the same topics...

The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)

Remove the corporate-owned US Federal Reserve from power, and I'll bet the healthcare system in the USA will clean itself up -- since there won't be a secret governing body working behind the scenes to destroy the middle class in the USA.

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Our current health-care debate is rooted in the 1930s
Posted by: kathat on Apr 23, 2007 10:10 AM   
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Newsweek
April 16, 2007 - Jonathan Cohn has studied health care for a decade, and he's heard hundreds of grim tales—people who skimp on doctors' visits and skip medications so they can make the rent; patients who died because, as he writes in his new book, they "literally could not afford" to fall ill. That book, "Sick: The Untold Story of America's Health Care Crisis—And the People Who Pay the Price," focuses in heart-rending detail on nine of those stories, the kind of which may well find their way into stump speeches in 2008. But it also brings a fresher perspective to the health-care debate, thanks to a second, more surprising source: Depression-era documents that tell nearly identical stories. Then, too, ailing people went without care as politicians and physicians sparred over its spiraling costs. "It's frightening how parallel the situations are," Cohn says in an interview. But America isn't necessarily doomed to repeat its history, as long as there's still time to learn from it.
Cohn begins his saga around 1910, a time when Doctors had pioneered anesthesia and antiseptics, transforming hospitals "from places where people were lucky to survive to places where people expected to be cured," he writes. But by the late '20s, many of the shiny new facilities looked like ghost towns. As medicine's abilities grew, so did its costs; from 1918 to 1929 the tab nearly doubled from 7.6 percent of a family's budget to 13 percent. A week in the hospital cost more than what most workers made in a month. Health insurance didn't exist at the time, so the only option was to pay out-of-pocket—and once the Depression hit, few could.
The empty hospitals were as much a disaster for underworked doctors as they were for patients. So in 1927 a high-powered committee of docs started conducting the country's first "medical census." After five years, the committee concluded that America needed a national health-insurance system like some already in place in Europe. One fan of the proposal described its core mission by cribbing a phrase from Karl Marx: "That all basic public-health services should be available for the entire population according to its needs."
In hindsight, Marx wasn't the best of spokesmen. The Washington Star sarcastically suggested expanding the plan "to include all the other things about which the poor are worried. Why not socialize food and clothing, rent and fuel?" The Boston Evening Transcript dismissed the proposal as "entertaining." And although the committee consisted largely of doctors, it didn't, apparently, represent the rest of the medical community. The Journal of the American Medical Association published its own editorial branding the authors of the report "medical Soviets."
By 1933, the New Deal was underway, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt was considering national health insurance as part of it—but conservative doctors, then as now, were a powerful lobby. "They were out in front fighting this, arguing that it would interfere with the practice of medicine," says Cohn. "The cynical interpretation is that they were concerned about their incomes. The generous interpretation is that they were concerned it would mean worse medical care." FDR ultimately dropped the issue so it wouldn't derail the Social Security Act. Doctors then created the first private health-insurance plans, as well as rural medical groups that mutated into HMOs in the 1970s.
With every major change in policy from the 1930s on, including the foundation of Medicare in 1965, says Cohn, America had the same debate all over again. Cohn argues that "the last 80 years have been a test case of whether we as a country made the right choices" in the late '20s and early '30s. Whatever your politics may be, it's hard to read the modern-day stories in his book and come away thinking we did.

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GOD I LOVE MICHAEL MOORE-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 23, 2007 10:10 AM   
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He reminds me so of John Lennon. While everyone else is running around like chickens without heads...he speaks the plain simple truth.

And God, the rich scum running this country hate the truth....

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Let's clone Michael Moore
Posted by: thelostsailor on Apr 23, 2007 11:05 AM   
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What a guy!!
We need more...

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I wonder ...
Posted by: kelt65 on Apr 23, 2007 1:03 PM   
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if Moore will touch on one of the more gruesome aspects of our health care system, which is that the poor or uninsured are routinely operated on by students who have almost no clue what they are doing. This is something never reported on and many deaths are caused by student surgeons every year.

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CHRISTY WHITMAN
Posted by: fg on Apr 23, 2007 1:15 PM   
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We hear nothing any more about her lies immediately after 9-11 that the air in the environs was A-OK: you could bottle and sell it.

It sure stank like hell here in New Jersey, some 20 miles from the scene.

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Miserable Dones
Posted by: paschn on Apr 23, 2007 1:44 PM   
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Back when Moore had the guts to stand before an audience of you drones and state WHY he was not for the war,... he was booed from the stage. That same night, the same drones gave a standing ovation to a convicted child molester in absentia.
For decades your parent drones and their parent drones condemned Castro for forcing the US corporations, organized crime and our rapacious way of introducing other nations to our "right" way of government, out of his country and brought to an end the "benevolent" U.S.'s fouling of the indigenous people. And now you drones are sneaking there to "bleed" their healthcare system, ( hmm much like the "lesser folk" from Mexico do to ours, which you so loudly condemn them for). For the life of me, I can't think of too many redeeming qualities of this government or the sick bunch of drones who live here. And no, I am not an evil "commie" like the ones you're using to get health care from because you sat on your collective asses and let Reagan / Bush / Cheney et al visit their brand of evil on not only us, but the rest of the world. And yes,.. I would gladly piss on this country and leave if I was younger and had a few bucks. Because, you see, since my father and many of his co-workers were killed from being exposed to Beryllium by this icon to world justice I simply don't care to listen to the "buzz" of the drones in this hive any longer.

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Posted by: lmosthvn on Apr 23, 2007 2:53 PM   
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I have not had health insurance here in the US for 8 years and am now going to Costa Rica for what would be expensive tests and posibly an operation. My CT scan there cost $250 and was state of the art. Costa Rica has no military, nice people and a great climate. So until we get our health care act together here, I'll just keep going there.

I'd go to Cuba, too, if my myopic government would let me!! I can't afford to get my health care in the U.S. and I am glad Michael Moore is making the point that needs to be made.

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America is the greatest country on Earth...
Posted by: ateo on Apr 23, 2007 5:45 PM   
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if you're rich. Your value as a human being directly correlates to the amount of money you have and/or the amount of earning potential you have.

The poor are left to die in the streets. That is what America truly stands for, social Darwinism that grew out of the eugenics movement that grew out of British imperialism and so it goes.

Make no mistake, however, anyone from the middle class up is living in the greatest country on Earth for them. Anyone lower middle class down would be better off in any number of other countries.

Recognizing that all one can do is emigrate elsewhere or strive to reach the upper middle class. Earning 70-90K a year as an individual will make you one of the chosen sons of America. I say make your choice, die in the streets when the rich no longer have need of your services (you can be replaced by an immigrant or outsourced) or develop skills that make you too valuable to throw away.

That's America.

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Thanks to Michael moore,again
Posted by: viswanat on Apr 23, 2007 6:45 PM   
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A lot of people I know are waiting to see Sicko. I have delivered health care with all my heart and soul as a primary care physician in the US for the last 40 years.I know it is going to...well you know where. I retired before I was eligible for Social Security.You guessed right. I was fed up because no one but the third part payors got the benefit of "medicine in the market place", a brain child of Mr. Reagan.
Well now we have seen the pain, deprivation and even death that this idea of health care delivery has brought on our people.
I will predict that this film may just make health care the most important issue in the next elections. Better the Democratic candidates be forthright about it because we can't win any war when we have a sick population.

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Moore is Mainstream, Not Controversial
Posted by: neptune on Apr 23, 2007 7:19 PM   
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It really is disingenuous for you to continue to try to marginalize Moore by bantering about the claim that he is controversial. His books have been all time best sellers. His last film broke records at the box office for feature length documentaries. His work is revealing and he enjoys overwhelming mainstream support.

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Health care revisit
Posted by: Falang on Apr 23, 2007 7:24 PM   
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Same old debate about the crumbling US health care system. Since I think that even with Michael Moore film nothing will change I found a solution for you my southern neighbours. Since your government keep on screwing you with a health care system who deesn't work, go buy a lot of KY Jelly shares and with the money you will make with those share you will be rich enough to buy yourself every care you may want around the world.

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The seed for this movie was planted
Posted by: doctorsquared on Apr 23, 2007 7:39 PM   
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on TV Nation. Moore produced a health care Olympics segment in which the healthcare systems of Canada, the US, and Cuba were compared, and although Cuba came out on top, the TV execs forced him to rewrite the sketch so that Canada wins and Cuba comes in second.

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donot change the American Health system.
Posted by: richholland on Apr 24, 2007 2:00 AM   
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In ChiangMai, Thailand medical tourisme has taken over from sextourism.
I personally met an Americam retired iron worker who was insured in the USA and had 1 heart operation done.
But he had to pay the next one so he fled into Thailand firstclass costs $ 7ooo.
The government helps turnkeyprojects(plane/hospital/hotel
People are coming from all over the world.
As for CUBA if MacDonald and COcaCOla try to give those poor surpressed communists their "freedom" America wil have another war like Vietnam, Irak and Iran.

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MOORE is a "LIMITED HANGOUT"
Posted by: Hal on Apr 24, 2007 4:08 AM   
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He'll go skin-deep to "expose" symptoms of a completely cooked system and no further.

As others have said Aaron Russo with his Freed