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The Soul of New Fast Food

By John Feffer, AlterNet. Posted October 20, 2005.


No matter how many salads you find on the menus of McDonald's and Burger King, the oversized hamburger will always be what fast-food customers reach for first.
The Soul of New Fast Food
The Soul of New Fast Food
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I've just ordered the Mixed Message salad at McDonald's. That's the Caesar salad of mostly iceberg lettuce, a couple grape tomatoes, a sprinkle of shredded parmesan, croutons, and a generous slab of fried chicken strips. The salad part is not bad for me, particularly since I opt for the low fat vinaigrette, courtesy of Paul Newman. The fried chicken strips, however, remind me that I'm in a fast food restaurant.

It's lunchtime, and I'm the only one in the place who seems to have ordered a salad. Should I feel good about my choice to forego a Big Mac and fries? Or should I feel guilty that I succumbed to the crispy chicken when I could have ordered the grilled version?

The crispy chicken Caesar is an apt metaphor for what's been going on in the world of fast food. Quick-service restaurants -- that's the official name for McDonald's, Burger King, and the like -- have long flirted with healthier options like salads and lower fat sandwiches. But in the last couple years, they've kicked their efforts up a notch. They've spent millions of dollars on splashy new product campaigns and have partnered with exercise gurus to get you off your butt and exercising.

Still, it's not like they've turned themselves into fat-free emporiums. Hamburgers, fried chicken, and greasy fries remain front and center in promotions and sales. And even the healthier options, with their gratuitous additions of fat or sugar, seem to have taken on the protective coloring of their environment.

Put Ronald McDonald on the couch and he'd confess to a serious identity crisis. "What am I, doc?" he'd ask his therapist. "Apple slices and aerobics or French fries and couch potatoes? Can you tell me what healthy fast food is, Doc? I'm worried that I've become just another oxymoron of popular culture, like educational television and eco-cruises."

The struggle within the fast food world may well be the latest chapter in the "cultural contradictions of capitalism" that sociologist Daniel Bell identified thirty years ago. Our Protestant ancestors whisper in one ear that we should scrimp and save and embrace austerity. Our modern corporate managers whisper in the other ear that if we don't shop, our economy will drop. Ronald McDonald oscillates between the two extremes, not Ronald light and dark, but Ronald lite and heavy. How will he resolve his very American McDilemma?

The Year of Eating Less Dangerously

Last year, America seemed to wake up from its fat-induced stupor. 2004 was the year of obesity lawsuits and reports that Big Food was poised to go the way of Big Tobacco. The movie Super Size Me engrossed and grossed out millions. The Center for Disease Control made headlines with its charge that America's fat problem was costing us over $100 billion a year. The Big Loser debuted on television and scored high enough in the ratings to prove that viewers prefer watching their fellow citizens lose weight to watching paint dry (hitherto considered a toss-up). Conservatives claimed that, like global warming and teenage pregnancy, America's expanding waistline was all a matter of personal responsibility. Everyone else pointed fingers at the logical suspects: the purveyors of burgers, fries and sodas.

Without acknowledging responsibility -- for that would cost big bucks in our litigious culture -- the chain restaurants did make some changes. McDonald's convinced celebrity dietician Bob Greene to walk and bike across the United States to promote its new adult happy meals. Burger King partnered with the President's Challenge Physical Activity Fitness Awards Program to encourage kids to exercise more. Ruby Tuesday put nutritional information all over its menu. With low fat, low sugar, and low carb diets each attracting their own sectarian followings, dieters and diabetics seemed to be the new, hot demographic.

But that was last year, and a year is a long time in the minds of marketers and media mavens, both of whom make a living by sifting through the tea leaves of popular culture to identify often spurious trends. Now, according to several high-profile reports, the chains have reverted to form. The turning point was Hardee's Monster Thickburger, which came on line at the end of 2004. "People were blown away by the audaciousness of it," says Jeff Mochal, public relations manager of Hardee's. "That's how we positioned it -- a monument to decadence. It was a time when a lot of people were going low carb, low fat or low something. But here we came out with a big, bold, audacious burger."

Hardee's was catering to a young male audience, the tried-and-true constituency for fast food. With its tie-ins with Sports Illustrated, Hardee's was suggesting that eating its megaburger was some kind of X-treme sport. In Jarhead, Anthony Swofford's memoir of the first Gulf War, the new recruits interpret even the most anti-war war movies as celebrations of combat. Similarly, a generation of young hungry guys sees Super Size Me as a how-to manual, its scare tactics on the level of Reefer Madness. For them, ordering Monster Thickburgers becomes the culinary equivalent of cliff jumping.


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John Feffer is working on a book about the global politics of food.

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I wouldn't give it to my dog
Posted by: loony on Oct 20, 2005 12:45 AM   
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Once really stuck I went shopping at 9pm in Vannes, France and came back with 5 fishburgers (we're a veggie family) and a Big Mac for the dog, Dixie. It's the first time in his life that he hadn't eaten in a given 24 hour period. The Mac was sniffed, the bun tested, but left in the gutter. A thin-looking scavenging sort of dog came along next, sniffed it and didn't even test the bun part. And human intelligence is one of the most highly-rated on the planet.

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In between cities...
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 20, 2005 2:09 AM   
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Haven't you ever been on a road trip and noticed how many towns in the US feature nothing but a Mickey D's and a gas station. So it's easy to justify eating crappy food on a long road trip, occasionally. But now, close your eyes for a moment and imagine that you live in that town.

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» RE: In between cities... Posted by: adp3d
adp3d
Posted by: adp3d on Oct 20, 2005 3:25 AM   
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The first thing we should do is stop calling fast food joints "restaurants". Maybe "Fat Emporiums" or "Grease Stations". Next thing - all drive throughs should be eliminated. This will get people to walk the sixty feet to the counter from the parking lot, and help save gas. Imagine how much is burned every lunch hour at just one Burger King. I would eliminate drive through banking too but that is for another story.

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personal responsibilty
Posted by: crusty on Oct 20, 2005 3:36 AM   
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I am constantly amazed by people who want to blame fast food restaurants for their obesity. NO one has made you order and eat the big mac large fries chocolate shake etc then NOT exercise. This is personal choice. Granted fast food is of lttle food value, but the real issue is and will continue to be that people are clueless about where thier food comes from and what is really good and what is really bad. If you are travelling on the road and you do not have anything to eat, stop at a grocery store get some fruit. To blame macdonalds or burger king for your obesity is shameful denial. There is plenty of information out there to help you make healthy foood choices, but now and again it is ok to go eat the fast food chains food to see how good a bowl of swiss chard really tastes.

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McDonalds Website
Posted by: markwardt on Oct 20, 2005 4:26 AM   
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When you follow the link above you will find a link Health Topics at McDonalds Website which illustrates the problem very nicely: "Requested File Not Found".

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Eatin' an Audacious Burger in my Nissan Armada
Posted by: decembrist on Oct 20, 2005 5:36 AM   
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Hardees and its Audacious Burger remind me alot of car manufacturers and their recent unveiling of ever larger, "bolder" and bigger trucks and SUVs - Hummers, Nissan Armada and Titan, and Honda and Mitsubishi have all come out with larger trucks. This in the face of sky-rocketing fuel prices, a war for oil, proposed drilling ANWR and heaps of global warming evidence. Audacious Burger, indeed.

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Now we have "The Cheeseburger Bill"
Posted by: fedupamerican on Oct 20, 2005 5:03 AM   
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Just passed...this bill prevents people from suing fast food grease joints for their obesity. So there ya go, the lobbyists have once again written their own law and gotten it passed...I wonder how long that took...I'm sure it was not long, perhaps Congress has a drive-thru for such masquerades of "law" passing. Big buddies with lots of money get just what they want.

By damn, I feel like writing a law of my own... don't call those bowls filled with ICEBERG lettuce, 2 cherry tomatoes, and other misc. JUNK a SALAD! It's NOT!! It's fast food--a REAL salad uses Quality veggies! I wouldn't eat one of those so-called salads if my life depended upon it...Those dogs in France were smart. We need to be as smart in our food choices.

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The "Cheeseburger Bill" is the next big step in DESTROYING the Constitution of the USA
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 20, 2005 6:54 AM   
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Earlier this year, the Terri Schiavo tragedy was a major case.

Like Terri Schiavo, if the legislators don't like what they see especially since it's these same food chains that stuff the pocketbooks of the political cronies with loads of cash to allow America to be poisoned to death by pushing for legislation that allows them to promote irresponsibility, all they have to do is swoop down and push another set of rules to their political and personal liking and that's it.

To the loonies who complain about lacking "personal responsibility" but lack the brains or balls to hold their politicians accountable for no responsibility of any kind, learn to respect justice. The judges can take care of idiots who bring in these silly lawsuits so there is no reason whatsoever for government to legislate personal responsibility especially since they don't have any responsibility of their own to actually respect their constituents over their "special interests".

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Dieticians
Posted by: eastcoker on Oct 20, 2005 6:54 AM   
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This article made me so grateful that my mom was a dietician (she is an educator now). I NEVER went to McDonald's as a child EVER, nor as a teenager. Then when I became an adult I got introduced to the world of fast food culture through individuals, and through the year I spent in WA in Americorps. Yikes!

Through my experience with knowing people who eat at fast food restaurants, it is impossible to change someone's behavior. No one can teach a grown man to pack his lunch if he would rather eat at In n Out. Fast food restaurants are for the lazy.

You know I was thinking about this avian flu pandemic threat and about this survival blog I was introduced to and how they say 'boost your immune system' like 'don't eat sugar'? Well, if the US government REALLY cared about it's people and about preventing an avian flu pandemic, it would change its food laws!

But no, this government is so corrupt, it profits off people's ignorance and gluttony, and puts all of us at risk because of its stupidity...Not a very promising picture is it?

Let's lobby our representatives and tell them to get their heads out of the sand in regards to public health, ie junk food, and change the laws of this land!

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What's the answer? A New War On The Burger? The Local Struggle Against Calorism?
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 20, 2005 7:18 AM   
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I really, really, really, don't think don't think that folks are getting it. The short news is that McDonalds, etc are working to protect the investments of those who choose not to partake, in a uniquely perverse (if temporary) manner. Social security is in crisis, but people still aren't saving on their own. They're buying burgers and fries three, or four, or five days a week....
...And having heart attacks, strokes, and cancer at the age of 45, 50, or 55.

Folks, please: if we get everybody to eat cherios or oatmeal for breakfast instead of the Big Breakfast Buster, if we get everyone to bring non-sweetened apple sauce to work for lunch instead of the going across the street for the Big Lunch Buster Burger, and if we get everyone to eat a modest portion of roast with beans or potatoes, onions and iced tea for dinner, instead of the Deep Fried Dinner Bowl Buster With Teriyaki Sauce With A Two Liter Thirst-Busting Soda...
...
...
...Well, then we'll all be demanding our government's social security privileges until we're well into our hundreds!

...You think the deficit is bad now? You're upset that they are holding 55 year-olds over in the National Guard now? Wait until 80 percent of us are over the age of 80 and still healthy enough to walk to the mailbox and collect Gubbamint Retirement! We'll be dirt poor (it won't matter that you saved your money, because the government will need more of it by then), but kicking well into our 115's!

Therefore, I gratefully look forward to the opening of each new Mikky Dees as an investment in the future of this great, great nation (well, me specifically), and I humbly thank all those who so willingly patronize the grease bar--sacrificing their savings and their health--in order to help me stay on the dole from the day I'm 67.5 until I'm 136. We should remember those brave souls always, or until we hit Alzheimers at 134.

God bless this great land. One and all. Sniffle. Sniffle.

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Junk Food Dystopia
Posted by: Stonecutter on Oct 20, 2005 7:27 AM   
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Feffer's piece is brilliant, but not quite cynical enough for me.

The truth is you can get high quality fast food if you try a little harder. There's a wonderful place near my home called "The Green Cactus" which serves up freshly prepared Tex-Mex. Their chicken quesidilla makes Taco Bell's look and taste like what it actually is...dogfood. But, it's not a chain.

The junk food chains are perhaps the most visible symbol of the bulk processing of our society, the grounding down of quality and product diversity into the widgets of Big Macs, Whoppers and tasteless Taco Bell "tacos". (take away condiments, and the #1 characteristic of virtually all chain fast food is the absence of taste).

The soldiers of the junk food army, whatever daily new shade of lipstick they're putting on their pig, are simply following the credo of the Big Corporation. A billion widgets--burgers and fries--equal profits. Just as Feffer speculates whether those of us concerned with healthy eating should even enter, simple logic trumpets that these companies wouldn't be selling slow-acting nutritional poison around the world if they actually cared about the long-term health of their customers, and especially the millions of kids who have grown up addicted to this stuff. Any more than, say, Wal-Mart gives a damn about the thousands of its workers that don't have health insurance, many of whom probably eat this stuff every day because it's cheap and all around them.

The tightly wound stiffs who talk about "personal choice" in eating styles just won't acknowledge the truth--the overwhelming power of advertising in this country to create and re-inforce habit, especially over those of us struggling to survive every day.

However, considering the mountain of far more dangerous problems confronting our society, and the profound lack of leadership in dealing with most of them, a few million obese, diabetic children, however horrific the implications for them and their future, may be the least of our worries. Can you see Dubya appearing in a PSA wearing his bike gear, talking about the dangers of fast food and lack of exercise?.....Not today or any day.

More likely you'll see him embracing the CEO of Mickey D, telling him, "You're doin a helluva job!"

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Fast Food Nation
Posted by: lindalee on Oct 20, 2005 7:30 AM   
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The book by Eric Schosser, Fast Food Nation, is a great read. I wouldn't eat the beef in any restaurants, fast or slow. They can make healthy changes, but they won't as long as people keep buying their food.
I'm waiting for the switch to canola or olive oil to happen. We all know the fats they use are dangerous.

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George Monbiot on beef
Posted by: Colin on Oct 20, 2005 8:35 AM   
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Okay, he's not specifically talking about Maccy D's (although they do get a mention) but his latest article on the beef industry is well worth a read. You can find it on his website here.

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I second that
Posted by: yeahright on Oct 20, 2005 8:53 AM   
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Fast Food Nation is an excellent commentary on the history, nutrition and the politics of fast food... all homogenized, all rotten.
Amusing sidebar: I listened to this book on cd during a road trip from Dallas to Pensacola (its a long book in unabridged form). By the time I hit Louisiana I was super hungry but I refused to stop at any of the fast "food" joints off the highway.

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Nickel-a-Meal is all it takes
Posted by: Allan Shore on Oct 20, 2005 9:00 AM   
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Your article is excellent. A nice review of the games played and used to entice us to continue our unhealthy ways. It all helps explain why new studies suggest that as much as 60% to 70% of some elements of our society--notably those from poor and immigrant (newcomer) sectors--will now live the shortened lives stuggling with real issues of obesity.

What I would like to see more about, however, is that there are alternatives. Empowerment alternatives. I have come up with one that I call a Nickel-a-Meal Campaign (http://www.nickel-a-meal.info) where in we all voluntarily agree to add an extra nickel to our bill for each burger of "value" meal we buy from participating food places (fast food, restaurant, grocery stores, cafeterias, etc.)--which we can identify with a common logo telling us in advance that we are going to have the right to opt out of a solution. The funds from this idea (way, way, way up in the hundreds of millions of dollars) could then be used to create community projects and discussions about why we collectively allow junk food stations on every corner of every block. If we don't opt for something like this, I am fearful that the only viable options we are going to have are more "blame us" exercise and nutrition programs and drive-up windows for the lawyers to get their carry-out settlements.

I believe that a voluntary, non-tax-based alternative is better and may get us all have much more collective discussions about an issue that is killing many too many of us in the name of cultural integration.

Allan Shore

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A positive effect of fast food
Posted by: crusty on Oct 20, 2005 10:51 AM   
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You can power a greenhouse on friolater oil for 30 cents a gallon. Plus possibly many other things.

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Are junk foods your only option?
Posted by: The Underboss on Oct 20, 2005 10:57 AM   
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Is anyone holding a gun to your head telling you to eat junk food?

Is your two year old year old holding a gun to your head saying "Dad (or Mum), drive me to McDonalds and feed me junk food.... or else..."

Why can't people accept a little bit of responsibility for the sake of their own health and lives and theirr children's lives?

My 5 year old ( a Tae Kwon Do green belt and little league soccer player) has more sense of responsibility and is more conscious of his health than these "victims" - I couldn't get him to eat at McDonald or Wendy's or any junk food joint....or drink "pop" or any of those sugar packed "energy" drinks now even if I wanted too.

Junk food companies can go on promoting junk food - but it is the consumer who has the choice to eat there or somewhere else more healthier or make a sensible and cheaper meal at home.

And please there is not a single place on earth where you cannot get a healthy meal - and not just salad.

Billions of people in the world survive just fine without McDonalds in their cities and there are thousands of cities in the world where McDonalds yet people choose a healthier option. McDonalds usually shuts down the joint for lack of customers.

How many countries in Africa have McDonalds?

Only two...Egypt and South Africa....where Americans frequent more.

Do you eat to live or live to eat?

If you live to eat junk food and that is the sole purpose of your life and you are prevented from eating healthier foods... then how about taking a 20 min walk daily?

Or is someone holding a gun and preventing you from doing that too....Oh its the same person with a gun that's forcing you to stay on the sofa and watch cable all day?

Well the joke is on us....The rest of the world's laughing at America.... for blaming all their ills on others...

A nation whose only solution to everything is war...yeah - bomb McDonalds today...tomorrow Wendy's and then steal the money - get the liposuction with their profits....We deserve it - how dare they...

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They made me do it
Posted by: JohnTodd on Oct 20, 2005 12:33 PM   
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I've tried to quote previous posts here...hope there isn't too much verbatim stuff. This is in 2 posts:

"sure you can go to a grocery store but that means getting off the highway. Which exit do you take? The one that says, "Full service grocery store, next exit? I actually did stop at a grocery store in a small town in Montana once. Its produce section was a sorry bunch of wilted lettuce, and 3 lemons, one of which was moldy. The rest of the store had white sliced bread and other processed food."

I would say a person is unwise for travelling without having a knowledge of what's along the way. Do you willingly risk your health through ignorance? If your car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, is that my fault, the gov'ts fault, or your own? Can't you take food with you on the trip? No? Why is it somebody else's fault? You take the trip, you better prepare for it.

"well, if the US government REALLY cared about it's people and about preventing an avian flu pandemic, it would change its food laws!"

Whom shall we exclude? Shall we say food cannot have over X% of fat? WHat about those of us who can handle the fat? Why can't I have my supersized meal when I want? I am responsible for myself...I eat at McDonald's about three or four times a year.

"...misleading advertisements to brainwash customers into eating their unhealthy bullshit..."

Misleading? I don't remember any fast food place promising good food, only fast food. How are they responsible for other people's assumptions? The ads are not misleading, even though they are designed to generate sales.

"...Broccoli can be cooked in a minute or two..."

And that is proven to destryo 97% of all the nutrients. Better to eat it raw like cave-man did.

"Therefore, I gratefully look forward to the opening of each new Mikky Dees as an investment in the future of this great, great nation (well, me specifically), and I humbly thank all those who so willingly patronize the grease bar--sacrificing their savings and their health--in order to help me stay on the dole from the day I'm 67.5 until I'm 136. We should remember those brave souls always, or until we hit Alzheimers at 134."

The asshole in me agrees with you. That's why I cannot comment further on that one...:)

More in next post...

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They made me do it...Part II
Posted by: JohnTodd on Oct 20, 2005 12:35 PM   
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Continued frmo previous post:

"To Crusty:
Amen, brother. I'm personally getting sick of people blaming everything and everyone but themselves for their gluttony. Anyone who isn't completely shut off from the world (i.e. has access to a television, can read, is able to think for themselves) realizes that those green leafy vegetables such as spinach are good for you, and that those French Fries from McDonalds dripping with grease are not good for you. Plus, it helps to move once in a while; if you sit around all day, guess what? You're not burning any calories consumed...."

I agree. Back in the 1970s even I knew McD's could not be consumed on a regular basis. Ready for this? I was born in 1971...so I was pretty young when I realized this for myself.

"hey max, Personal Responsibility" doesn't mean capitulation. Of course you should hold your elected representatives accountable for their lack of resposibilty and illegal cronyism..."

Yes. It's not like McD's puts harmful stuff into their food...it may be minimal nutrition, but it isn't dangerous if it's part of a "balanced and active lifestyle". What do you think that means, "balanced and active"?

"...he was addicted to heroin for 20 years, and made the decision to stop. He wasn't "lazy" or "diseased," he simply made the decision to stop consuming a harmful substance..."

Yes. Nobody said it would be easy, but it can be done.

"...Basically the government doesn't give a damn about "people's ignorance and gluttony..."

And, I would add, there is no help for stupid people who refuse to learn.

"...way too many lawyers getting wealthy from these frivolous lawsuits..."

Well, Jesus, lawyers have to eat, too, don't they?!?!!? Hey! Let's send all teh lawyers to McDonalds! That way they'll die off quicker.



OK, 3 posts...

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They made me part III
Posted by: JohnTodd on Oct 20, 2005 12:36 PM   
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But still, no one is forcing anyone to eat at McDonalds. No way around that one, I'm afraid. People eat their because they choose to. And let's not blame poverty - eating at a restaurant is more expensive than cooking your own food. I know, I cook all mine. That way I get what I want, when I want it, cheaper, better nutrition, and much, much tastier.

"...They rely upon sophisticated psychological tests to tell them what will invoke a favorable subconscious response in the viewer..."

You act as though persons are not responsible for themselves. What you want vs. what's good for you may be two different things. WAAAA. Cry me a river if you didn't get your f*cknig french fries today.

"...Personally I love a whoper with cheese about once a year. If I gain weight from it its my own damn fault. NOONE has put it up to my lips for me..what part of that do you not get?..."

Yes! Well said. Why don't people understand that? Someone explain to me why a given person has all these 'rights' as an adult but no responsibility as an adult? Without responsibility, a person is a child. - But wait - better not take away their rights or they will scream bloody murder about it. Oh, I see now, they think they can do what they want with no consequences.

Am I not compassionate? Yes, I am. I believe that causing someone to take responsibility for their own actions will lead them to a much better quality and length of life. For example, by choosing not to do heroin, I will never go to jail for that, and I will never be addicted to it. Nobody can make that choice for me, because ultimately, my life WILL BE what I make of it.

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They made...part 4
Posted by: JohnTodd on Oct 20, 2005 12:36 PM   
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"...Is your two year old year old holding a gun to your head saying "Dad (or Mum), drive me to McDonalds and feed me junk food.... or else..."

Best way to keep'em of junk food is to never start. After a little crying they will stop. If not, let them tire themselves out, then they will stop.

My Father told me how his Mother stopped him from complainnig about the food she fixes at home - when he complained, she simply took the plate from in front of him and cleaned it into the trash, then pronounced "OK, you don't have to eat supper. Your next meal will be breakfast tomorrow morning."

Dad said she only had to do that twice. When they get hungry, they will eat what you give them - they are children, they depend on you to do the right thing, so don't let them run things for you.

If there is no personal responsibility, then people can kill at will with no consequence. That seems far fetched, but where exactly do you draw the line?

"...The tightly wound stiffs who talk about "personal choice" in eating styles just won't acknowledge the truth--the overwhelming power of advertising in this country to create and re-inforce habit, especially over those of us struggling to survive every day..."

If it's so overwhelming, then why are people on this very board saying that everybody has a choice? Seems they weren't overwhelmed.

The problem with these lawyers is that they create an arguement that needn't exist - then everybody else jumps in and takes sides. If you put down the PLaystation and pick up the barbell, you might just solve your own obesity problem....God forbid we do that...that would make too much sense and cost the lawyers too much in lost litigation fees.

"...Yet when people complain that the product they were seduced into buying is unhealthy, the marketers crow "personal responsibility..."

My apologies to the mods...I am very concerned about this issue, that's why the long discourse.

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» RE: They made...part 4 Posted by: Allan Shore
» RE: They made say this CRAP Posted by: Michiganman
» RE: They made say this CRAP Posted by: JohnTodd
Student of society
Posted by: JohnTodd on Oct 20, 2005 1:11 PM   
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"...As a student of society,..."

You know, I like your attitude. (FWIW2U)

We can reach out to those who have lost the way and gently help them back onto the "road to fitness", so to speak. I am all for it, and I have volunteered (in my community, not here on AlterNet) to help many people.

What I am not for is being forced to pay more taxes for those of 'them' who do not want to be helped.

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signal transduction
Posted by: canteatjustone on Oct 20, 2005 5:17 PM   
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I have not read any comments regarding "signal transduction". Since the mid 50's and to this day, the tobacco industry has invested hundreds of millions of dollars on research into the way humans react to many different substances, on the five senses. Now one of the largest multi-national Food Corporations in the world(nabisco,kraft) is called Altria they own Phillip Morris. Many tobacco companies own a variety of food product companies. Before we start talking "free choice" go to www. tobaccodocuments.org search signal transduction. Please contact your political representative in House and Senate and tell them you a not comfortable with any Company having the same rights and priviledges as a live, breathing person. We as a nation went way south in 1886 when the Supreme court gave 14th amendment rights to Corporations before women or minorities. The day comes when Corporations are subservient to live people, may be a cold day in Hades, it also will be when things start to get better.

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BANNING ASPARTAME IN NEW MEXICO; ASK AT FAST FOOD PLACES: "DOES IT TURN TO FORMALDEHYDE IN MY LIVER?
Posted by: FOXY on Oct 20, 2005 5:40 PM   
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It is monstrous: the artificial sweetener, aspartame, was turned down
by the FDA as potentially harmful for 15 years, from 1966-1981, until a
corporate/political ramrodding by then-President of G.D. Searle, gets it
pushed through in 1981.

The National Soft Drink Association, concerned about product liability,
vigorouslyt objects, due to aspartame's metabolite, formaldehyde. FDA
approves it anyway, in 1983, despite their objections; thus, the biggest
toxic idiocracy in American consumer history is born: THE "DIET" BEVERAGE.

Fat people and diabetics flock to this formaldehyde cocktail, hoping formaldehyde is better for their damaged pancreas and their weight problems than is sugar! The companies give gifts and research grants to the
Diabetic Association, the AMA, the Dietitic Association, and the Cancer Association, hoping that they will be brought/brought into rubber stamping their approval of aspartame, and that they will stay bought and not raise
embarrassing questions.

Twenty-two years later, the statistics on neurodegenerative illnesses have
spiked horribly; kids have attention deficit disorders, autism and other more
serious neurological problems; brain and pituitary tumors, Lou Gehrig's
disease and Alzheimer's have blossomed staggeringly in adults.

People naievely wonder, "Gosh, does this have something to do with the
chemicals we ingest? Maybe its the formaldehyde in the soft drinks, the low
fat yogurt, the children's vitamins, the morning coffee sweeteners, the
chewing gum, and the 6000 other products which contain aspartame and are
consumed by 70% of the adults and 40% of the children?"

We brought a petition to ban aspartame to the New Mexico Environmental Improvement
Board, which has the statutory power over food quality and consumer
protection, and the EIB voted 4-2 on the side of consumer protection, based on
statutes which created the EIB and others statutes, concerning poisonous and
deleterious food additives. We are also trying to add a tiny provision to the
Administrative Code which defines and prohibits neurotoxic food additives,
specifically aspartame. The 5 day hearings will be in July, 2006.

WANT TO HELP US?

stephen@santafefineart.com

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» not a conspiracy theorist....but Posted by: ABetterFuture
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Bison America & Bufallo Commons
Posted by: jambro on Oct 20, 2005 7:52 PM   
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Options for human omnivores, or as my students replied when asked if they would like pizzas, "of course, we're opportu-nivores",

1. North American prairies once hosted millions of buffalo (bison) until destroyed by slaughter for both hides & to deny sustainence to native peoples.

2. As a native species, bison are perfectly adapted to millions of square miles of rangeland, needing no artificial management & certainly no feed lots.

3. Ted Turner may be the world's best rancher, having adapted his ranches to bison within a mixed grazing ecosystem & hiring the world's best wildlife/range management expertise.

4. Turner has opened a string of restaurants serving bison, a healthy alternative to meat from beef cattle.

5. At many local burger joints in Montana I can get a bison burger, naturally lean & no artificial chemicals. Also local ranchers who have shifted to raising "organic" beef are unable to meet demand for high quality, profitable meat, which ordinary ranchers are going broke supplying highly toxic beef via feedlots & huge corporate wholesalers, IBP, in particular.

6. "Bufallo commons" was a term coined by researchers that proposed opening back up rangelands, from fenced territories that prohibit migration, and reintroducing bison on a massive scale that would both provide healthy meat and restore natural prairie ecosystems.

7. Sensible solutions do exist.

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The Corporation
Posted by: aurelia on Oct 20, 2005 8:48 PM   
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coincidentally, i watched the corporation before retiring last night. this morning i received this wonderful article in my inbox and this evening i read your insightful comments. thankyou all. i suffered from "food addiciton" for over 50 years. resulted in obesity, high blood pressure, asthma and bundles of stress. was not able to "kick the habit" of overeating and eating the wrong foods until i became sick & tired, ready to die quite frankly. and along came brain garden foods, making it EASY for me to switch bad calories for good. i am now addicted to whole food and eating more raw food and exercising and . . . suddenly i am living. we need more articles like this one. i can't wait for the book on the politics of food. it's easy to eat right, but easier not to. if you know of anyone suffering from obesity or thinking they are an addict and have some sort of a disease that is incurable because they can't stop overeating or undereating, send them to me. i have a free box of whole food to give them to help them start a new life. yes, i am a shameless self-promoter but only to share the wealth i have found in gaining health. i want no one to suffer! especially children (all those painful "fatty fatty 2 x 4" years), oh god what haunting trauma and to discover that healthy eating can actually be very delicious AND without a lot of work! raw, local, organic is the best of course, but when you can't get that, come to the brain garden. see pulseparty.com/aurelia or bgnonprofit.com/clonlara. oh, and i am not a corporation. just your everyday single working mom living check to check, but wanting to share my newfound JOY OF FOOD with the world! tell your obese loved ones (if you love them and they are struggling but really do want to be responsible in their heart of hearts) that i am losing 4 lbs. a month naturally, without trying, FOREVER! as the end of the movie, the corporation, encourages: there is hope! one person at a time, one meal at a time, one snack at a time, we can do it!

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Just restrict the temptation. Easy.
Posted by: Smiggsy on Oct 20, 2005 8:54 PM   
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All the bantering about the topic of fast food has merit in many respects. However the problem with fast food & peoples health comes down to pure problematic individual greed & laziness. Greed on behalf of the corporations but also from the mentality of the junk food customers. Why does anybody need to drink alot of - or any - soda, fries or burgers. Just restrict the temptation. Easy. Stop doing it. Self control people. No need to be a lemming.

Not to be preachy but doesn't the christian based philosphy instilled in the US, instruct people not to give in to greed or temptation, or laziness for that matter. Geez you could go on forever with this topic - especially with the bizzare ideoligies of the gov't and so on (forthrighteous christians should practice what they preach?). Shit I don't even like church.

No solutions offered here - but it is true that if more people more often stopped spending their hard earned bucks on fast food, these evil corporations will wither & die. Plus by not being lazy, shopping smart & cooking at home one can save quite a bit of money - so next time just think about the money. See if that works.

I guess god will have to save america as most americans are unwillling or unable to help themselves.

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» Economical considerations? Posted by: Michiganman
» RE: conomical considerations? Posted by: maxpayne
The Corporation - P.S.
Posted by: aurelia on Oct 20, 2005 8:58 PM   
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p.s. i forgot to mention diabetes, another effect of my irresponsible behavior, being a follower (view the movie, the corporation), not a leader. however, b