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Election 2008

McCain and Palin Are Trying to Take Political Lying to the Next Dimension

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted September 15, 2008.


McCain and Palin reach a new level of campaign dishonesty as they tell lies about their records and their opponent. But will they pay a price?
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Despite all the chatter about how "historic" Campaign 2008 has been, it is the McCain-Palin ticket that it is truly testing the limits, not of race or gender politics, but whether the United States is ready to enter into a new dimension of political lying.

Until two weeks ago, it would have been hard to believe that any political figure would have had the audacity to step into the national spotlight by telling the bald-faced lies that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has. Yet, many Americans have embraced her enthusiastically and don't want to hear anything negative about her.

Palin's most obvious lie is one that she has repeated over and over: "I told Congress, 'thanks but no thanks' about that Bridge to Nowhere." Now, however, anyone who has bothered to fact-check this claim knows that Palin supported the bridge until Congress removed the earmark and then she kept the money to use on other state projects.

Palin also presents herself as a "reformer" who can't stand earmarks or the lobbyists who arrange such wasteful pork-barrel spending -- except that she hired Alaska's top Washington lobbyists to secure millions of dollars in earmarks for her town, Wasilla, and for her state, including sending off a wish list of nearly $200 million just this year.

With the help of the lobbying firm and her annual treks to Washington, Palin secured a stunning $27 million in earmarked funds for Wasilla, a town then with about 6,000 residents. Some of Palin's projects were considered such prime examples of Washington pork that they were cited in anti-earmark reports compiled by none other than Sen. John McCain earlier this decade.

When ABC's news anchor Charles Gibson asked Palin about her past support of earmarks and her backing for the Bridge to Nowhere, Palin simply refused to acknowledge that she had made misleading or false claims about herself.

"It has always been an embarrassment that abuses of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress," Palin said. "And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting."

But Palin is not alone in simply denying reality. Her partner, John McCain, has shown his own ability to not blush while lying.

On the ABC-TV show "The View," McCain was confronted with Palin's contradictory record of arranging earmarks while selling herself as a reformer. McCain simply ignored the facts and declared, "not as governor she didn't."

McCain's Lies

But McCain now has his own long trail of stunning lies, both about his opponent Barack Obama and McCain's dubious reputation for clean politics. After presiding over a convention notable for its partisan rancor -- including endless mocking of Obama as a "community organizer" -- McCain said his presidency would be about eliminating "partisan rancor."

Earlier in the campaign, McCain approved ads accusing Obama of everything from causing $4 a gallon gasoline (a silly charge) to stiffing wounded U.S. troops in Germany by canceling a visit because he couldn't bring along cameras (a false accusation).

More recently, McCain and his team have blamed Obama for passing a law that would require sex education for kindergarteners and for calling Palin a "pig" when the Democratic nominee criticized McCain's economic package by saying it was like "putting lipstick on a pig."

Though McCain himself had applied the common expression to Hillary Clinton's health-care plan, Obama's use of the image was ripped from its context and twisted into a "sexist" attack on Palin.

As for the kindergarten sex-education ad, the McCain campaign had contorted Obama's support for a program that would teach young school children how to avoid sexual predators into providing them "comprehensive sex education."

When confronted on "The View" about these two dishonest ads, McCain insisted that "actually they are not lies." He then went on to argue that his own use of the "lipstick on a pig" remark was different because he was talking about Clinton's health-care plan.

Barbara Walters, one of the program's co-hosts, challenged this excuse, noting that Obama was speaking about change, not Palin.

McCain's response was that Obama "chooses his words very carefully," suggesting apparently that when McCain has used the phrase he doesn't. McCain added as his defense that harsh things have been said about him, too, and that "this is a tough campaign."



At the end of McCain campaign ads -- including others that have compared Obama to Paris Hilton and distorted his positions on taxes, health care and energy -- the voters hear McCain intoning, "I approved this message."

Successful Strategy

All of this might not be so troubling to Americans who care about the future of their democracy, except that the smears are working.

The McCain-Palin ticket is surging in the polls behind this strategy of deliberate lies and deceptive rhetoric. Many national polls now put the Republicans ahead in the presidential race and show them quickly closing the gap with Democrats in congressional races.

Not only has the lying worked well in raising fresh doubts about Obama and lifting the spirits of Republican activists, but it's had a curious impact on the national press corps, which has difficulty standing up to what might be called strategic lying that saturates the media's capacity for fact-checking and plays on the desire to appear "even-handed."

For weeks, the national press corps essentially has followed a "plague on both their houses" approach to campaign distortions, even though the McCain campaign was by far the more egregious -- and systematic -- in its pattern of misrepresentations.

Indeed, it seems that the McCain strategy included preemptive berating of the news media for "bias" as a way to scare journalists away from taking note of how McCain's strategic lying was reshaping the electoral landscape.

It took the New York Times until Sept. 13 to publish a comprehensive story about McCain's cynical approach to politics.

The Times story noted that McCain's "strategy now reflects a calculation advisers made this summer -- over the strenuous objections of some longtime hands who helped him build his 'Straight Talk' image -- to shift the campaign more toward disqualifying Mr. Obama in the eyes of voters."

The Times added that "for all the criticism [of the lies and distortions], the offensive seems to be having an impact. It has been widely credited by strategists in both parties with rejuvenating Mr. McCain's campaign and putting Mr. Obama on the defensive since it began early this summer."

Times columnist Bob Herbert made a similar point in a Sept. 13 op-ed, writing: "While watching the Sarah Palin interview with Charlie Gibson and the coverage of the Palin phenomenon in general, I've gotten the scary feeling, for the first time in my life, that dimwittedness is not just on the march in the U.S., but that it might actually prevail."

McCain's Record

Beyond the studied anti-intellectualism -- even anti-realism -- now surrounding the McCain-Palin campaign, there is another longer-term question of whether McCain's current behavior is just a "campaign mode" aberration or whether he ever deserved the favorable depiction as a "maverick" and a "reformer."

Though McCain has bucked his party on some high-profile issues, such as campaign finance reform and earmarked spending, his actual record reveals him to be a doctrinaire conservative with his own checkered past on ethics.

McCain, in effect, reinvented himself as a "reformer" in the 1990s after he got caught in the late 1980s in a savings-and-loan influence-peddling scheme with Cindy McCain's business partner, Charles Keating.

Even in recent years while cultivating his reform image, McCain -- as chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee -- has maintained cozy relationships with business lobbyists and, indeed, stocked his campaign staff with many of the insiders he rails against.

Yet, because of his long history of flattering press clippings -- he once called the journalists on his "Straight Talk Express" his "base" -- McCain seems to always expect gentle treatment, regardless of his actions. That confidence has enabled him to get away with stating the opposite of obvious truths and suffering little consequence.

For instance, when the New York Times published an article on Feb. 21 describing McCain's relationship with a telecommunication lobbyist, his campaign issued a statement declaring that "John McCain has a 24-year record of serving our country [in Congress] with honor and integrity. He has never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists, and he will not allow a smear campaign to distract from the issues at stake in this election."

McCain issued this statement despite the clear public record about his role as one of the so-called "Keating Five," senators who did favors for savings-and-loan wheeler-dealer Charles Keating.

In 1987, Keating wanted to frustrate oversight from federal banking regulators who were examining his Lincoln Savings and Loan Association. At Keating's urging, McCain wrote letters, introduced bills and pushed a Keating associate for a job on a banking regulatory board. McCain then joined several other senators in two private meetings with federal banking regulators on Keating's behalf.

Two years later, Lincoln collapsed, costing the U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. Keating eventually went to prison and three other senators from the Keating Five saw their political careers ruined. McCain drew a Senate reprimand for his involvement and later lamented his faulty judgment. "Why didn't I fully grasp the unusual appearance of such a meeting?" he wrote in his 2002 memoir, Worth the Fighting For.

But some people close to the case thought McCain got off too easy -- and actually may have been the senator most deeply entwined with Keating. Not only was McCain taking donations from Keating and his business circle, getting free rides on Keating's corporate jet and enjoying joint vacations in the Bahamas -- McCain's second wife, the beer fortune heiress Cindy Hensley, had invested with Keating in an Arizona shopping mall.

In the years that followed, however, McCain not only got out from under the shadow of the Keating Five scandal but found a silver lining in the cloud, transforming the case into a lessons-learned chapter of his personal narrative.

Nevertheless, years later when the Times article questioned just how ethical the "new" John McCain really was, McCain lashed back with a categorical statement that was categorically untrue, saying he had "never done favors for special interests."
When one considers how other recent presidential candidates, such as Al Gore in 2000, were treated for perceived misstatements about their personal records, it's striking how effectively McCain has escaped serious criticism for lying -- and how he has sustained his reputation as a supposed "truth-teller."

So, perhaps, the current pattern of McCain approving dishonest ads and embracing a calculated strategy of false statements about Barack Obama shouldn't come as a surprise.

McCain now seems to have located a soul-mate in Sarah Palin, who shares McCain's assuredness in making public statements that are clear-cut lies and then insisting they are absolute truth.

The only remaining question is how well this strategy will work.

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Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth' are also available there. Or go to Amazon.com.

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ive never believed in the devil until now...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Sep 15, 2008 3:17 AM   
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but i cant explain what is happening right in front of our faces except as the work of a devil...its no joke ..sarah palin really is the devil...

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» Funny how "you people" Posted by: eeezzz
» RE: Goodness! You are much to smart for me! Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
i didnt believe in the devil...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Sep 15, 2008 3:39 AM   
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but sarah palin.. and the way she has made everybody eat up all of bush and mccains' bullshit.. has convinced me otherwise...go ahead and laugh at me all you want..but i really do think that sarah palin is the devil...

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» sorry about the double post... Posted by: Annapurna1
» RE: i didnt believe in the devil... Posted by: americansheep
» RE: i didnt believe in the devil... Posted by: rajuncajun1960
The "polls" too
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 15, 2008 4:01 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
are owned and operated by corporations that favor Republicans, so they slant everything they touch to give the false impression that McCain and Palin are ahead, and in that way discourage people from voting. But I will vote for the candidate of MY choice, not the corrupted media corporations of this desperately corrupted nation.

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» RE: The "polls" too Posted by: LOVELYT.
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '08
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 15, 2008 4:03 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A tip of the hat to Hunter S. Thompson....Sleep well, Doc.

The nasty fact of the matted is the simple truth that the uber right is at least half-a-century past the point where they can run on their ideas. Why? Because their ideas suck. What to do? It's really quite simple: Divide, distort and distract. The Karl Rove playbook. The amazing thing is that Karl Rove himself was chastising Camp McCain in an op-ed piece in the Washington Post for going too far in their campaign ads. As Joe Scarborough pointed out not five minutes ago on MSNBC's Morning Joe, that's the equivilant of Chrles Manson saying, "ENOUGH ALREADY!!!"

The only way the GOP will be able to win this thing will be by frightening the electorate away from the thought of casting their precious ballot for a black man.

Forget the fact that Barack Obama is the most extraordinary candidate to come along since Jack Kennedy. Forget the fact that Sarah Palin is an extremist kook who has all the gravitas of Sally Field as Gidget ("You'll want her for your valentine!") Forget the extremely nasty fact that another four years of Republican control of the executive branch of our government will destroy that government....

Please, just forget all that stuff....

Do y'all want a NEE-GROW livin' in the WHITE House???? Those people have loose morals y' know!

Which reminds me: Can you imagine the stink that the conservatives would have made had one of Barack and Michelle daughters been pregnant? Can you even picture the hell they would have raised had Michelle been caught stealing drugs from a charity?

They would have had a collective, mass stroke!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Das Rant

SUGGESTED READING:
Mike's Election Guide
by Michael Moore

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» Arrogant Posted by: LMNOP
» Good stuff.... Posted by: Fencerider
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» RE: Good stuff.... Posted by: jnick
Vote McCain/Palin, build a bomb shelter
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 15, 2008 4:04 AM   
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John McCain and the Republicans are moving up in the polls, and now, with the help of “battle cry Barbie” they’ve now locked up a very huge and powerful voting block known as “America’s dumbest people.”

If the world has to deal with Bush the sequel, John McCain, together with his sidekick Sarah “my god can beat up your god” Palin, we can expect more of the same mindless, light on brains, heavy on bombs - ignore the economy madness.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

the Democratic Party is a lot like a box of chocolates; you’re never sure where the nuts are - whereas the Republican Party is a lot like a chocolate fudge sundae, they tend to put the biggest nuts right on top.

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» Perfectly put! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Perfectly put! Posted by: Benjaminsjw
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» Really well put! Posted by: donl51
Did you expect something other than lies from McCain?
Posted by: Robert Henry Eller on Sep 15, 2008 4:49 AM   
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McCain has never been a war "hero." No American was ever under threat in Vietnam, except the poor Americans we sent there to die. No American was ever protected in Vietnam. John McCain bombed innocent women and children 23 times. He was held by the Vietnamese for doing exactly that. (Think about the hundreds of people we've been holding in Guantanamo who've in fact never hurt or threatened a single American. A policy of course supported by McCain.) John McCain never fought American enemies. John McCain is a life-long war profiteer. His entire career, his marriage to an heiress, all hinge on his exploiting the misfortune which befell tens of thousands of Americans, and a million Vietnamese. John McCain has been lying for his entire life. Did you really expect him to stop now?

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» The vote that matters! Posted by: LionHeart
Unfortunately appears many Voters are Dumbasses
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 15, 2008 4:50 AM   
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As a volunteer for the Obama campaign I face the stupidity of many voters while canvasssing. Since I am the face of the Campaign- telling them what ignorant fools they are is counterproductive. but I am amazed how Zombie like the reasons are for voting Republican, regardless of the reality they are living.
Seniors willing to support the gutting of Medicare and Social sercurity ( Of course they'll be dead before the shit really hits the fan)- So I'd like to send a Big fucking Thanks From Your Kids, Grand Kids and Great Grand Kids NOW!
Women who are more 'Bedazzzled' by Lipcolor than Wages, Rights or their kids futures.
Rednecks who think The Neo Cons give a shit about them- seen as nothing more than a ever cheapening Commodity.
Middle management - White collar workers who haven't realized these 'Republicans' are not for a Free market and give a shit about them as much as they do Redneck 'BillyBob'
Then there are the 'Jesus' Freaks who Believe it is their Goal in life to End the World by Waging a 'holy' War on 'islamic Facists'- hard to comprehend Facism Or heresay when your Part of the Regime of Doom.
And of course those Koolaid drinking, spit on your ancestors graves, "patriots" who think questioning the Gov't or a former POW amounts to being 'UnAmerican'.
If I was out doing anything else other than campaigning For Barack, I would be laying into these Self centered, short sighted, self congradulatory, Self anointed Dumbasses!
Believe me it takes every Ounce of Luthuanian in me to keep my Scotch/Irish Italian temper under control while out meeting my fellow citizens!

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» Hey there, Purple Girl.... Posted by: Tom Degan
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A 90-second expose on CNN doesn't counter 4 commercials per hour that repeat the same lies
Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 15, 2008 4:50 AM   
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Sure, news reporters have noted that Sarah Palin championed the bridge to nowhere, but the McCain/Palin campaign adds run several times an hour and repeat the same lie. The TV stations don't reject the ads.

Meanwhile, the Repubs use the internet and the fundamentalist networks to disseminate allegations that Obama's a Muslim sleeper agent, a Black Power stealth candidate, etc.

Obama might think that he needs to retain a high degree of integrity and talk like an adult, and that voters will decide on election day that the country is in such a mess that we need to send a grown-up to DC. Hopefully that strategy will work, but more than likely, voters will get the impression that Obama doesn't have the gumption to fight or make quick decisions under stress.

Obama needs to start talking in sound bytes and using strong language quick. Obama would get more bounce out of one ad that calls McCain and Palin "liars" than 35 speeches about policy. He could nuke Palin simply by running an ad showing her and her handlers whining about "the lipstick on a pig comment," then cutting to say "McCain's #2 has a thin skin," and then cutting to a video segment of Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, with a voice over saying, "This is Valdimir Putin's #2. His feeling don't get hurt so easily. I bet he can't wait for his first summit with the U.S."

It almost seems like the Dems don't want to win.

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wake up folks
Posted by: seilnotnilc on Sep 15, 2008 5:05 AM   
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usually beware of absolutes however in this case an exception should be made; ALL POLITICIANS LIE.

though I am not a supporter of mccain/palin we must not forget that the Clintons brought lying to a new dimension.

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» RE: wake up folks; oh, YOU wake up. Posted by: digitalfrenzy
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» RE: wake up folks Posted by: Quannah
ALL POLITICIANS LIE
Posted by: seilnotnilc on Sep 15, 2008 5:12 AM   
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McCain and Palin Are Trying to Take Political Lying to the Next Dimension


As long as the Clintons are in the mix no new dimensions are possible.

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» RE: ALL POLITICIANS LIE Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: ALL POLITICIANS LIE Posted by: LionHeart
» RE: ALL POLITICIANS LIE Posted by: donl51
» RE: ALL POLITICIANS LIE Posted by: jeffr
We have to keep talking too
Posted by: hollymoodyb on Sep 15, 2008 5:13 AM   
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Finally someone mentions the Keating S&L disaster! John McCain seems to be able to put aside his supposed morals and values as long as he gets what he wants.

The important thing for all of us to do is keep talking. Talk to your friends and neighbors, to those that disagree with you, everyone. In the age of the Internet everything can be checked and re-checked. Every lie that comes out of that campaign needs to be debunked and the McCain/Palin ticket needs to be called out on it.

I watched the interview with Sarah Palin. It was incredible how much she avoided questions, jumping back to pounding the bullshit message of "Maverick" and "Reformer". Sorry Sarah, those Mavericks seem to come from places where folks have walked the walk to go with their talk, you know those COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS you seem to think don't work too hard. Maverick was a TV show on years ago with the actor James Garner, not two of the biggest liars in political history.

It is time for Obama to get a dog in this fight. He doesn't have to fabricate anything, just expose the McCain lies and record. John and Sarah have some explaining to do, right now; the only way that is going to happen is if the PR folks working for Obama start shouting from the rooftops about the lies coming from the GOP. If we as citizens do the same, then the Obama/Biden ticket will have a fighting chance.

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» ??????????? Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: ??????????? Posted by: peacefullaim
The Barbie-Elaine Clone puts Americans in their place! In The Gutter.
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 15, 2008 5:16 AM   
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McSame 4 Change?
What is he going to change?
His hair do or shoe size?
Beam me up Scotti!
Can I have a few pennies of change for my 11 Million Million Dollars,
Sir White Reptile Headed Billionaire?
A Penny for the Poor, Sir?
Billions of your Money pours into the FAUX GREEDIA Media Outlets and
Hateful PROPAGANDA spews out!
Everything is someone Else's fault.
What no Bush abomination?
They See No, Hear No and Speak No evil when it comes
To their Corpirate Paymaster:
Bush/Cheney/Palin/McSame
The Sun never shines on the hideous Crimes of
BUSH/Cheney.
Where is the Dungeon Master?
What is he cooking up now?
More Torture/Spies/Lies and Treason?
Accountability No, No, NO!
Nothing but, endless BU__! SH__!
Same Old Lies from the same Old Guys.

Do you think that you should be able to see a Doctor when you're sick?
Dick does.
If socialized medicine is good enough for Bush/Cheney/McSame
It’s good enough for me!
Would you like to breathe Clean air and drink Pure water?
I do!
Should you get paid a livable minimum wage for a hard days work?
They get paid a lot more for dishonest ones.
Would it be nice if you could go to your local College?
Is the Iraq War wrong?
When you pick up the phone, do you like it when Dick Cheney listens in on your conversations?
Is that fair when he destroys the records and emails of the Presidency?
When Bush lies to you and admits it,
How does that make you feel?
Why does The FAUX Media go along with it?
When they repeat everything they're told by Carl Rove like Parrots,
Is that in your best interests?
Is that fair and balanced?
Do you feel like a second class Citizen in your own Country?
Why are they building fences on the Cnadian Border?
Is it to keep us in or the Canadians out?
What would they come here for?
What do we have to offer?
Endless War.

We can do better.
Any one of us could do better!
Bush/Cheney/McSame have taken us in the Wrong direction.
We must take America back and change direction.

Rove and Cheney have tried every Dirty trick in their Big Black Book.
Halloween is just around the corner.
Bugga, Bugga, BUGGA!

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Sugar-coated poop popsicle sticks...
Posted by: AnIndependentThinker on Sep 15, 2008 5:40 AM   
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that's what the McPain/Baracuda camp seem to portray. On the outside, they're just your average let's-go-share-a-beer-and-a-rodeo folks...but in the inside -- well, they're just sugar-coated poop popsicles. Tantalizingly sweet on the outside (for whom, I don't know) and full of crap.

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They're supposedly Christians--so hit them there
Posted by: taxidriver on Sep 15, 2008 6:05 AM   
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Why not remind McCain--and especially the righteous Palin--of something Jesus Christ said:

What does it profit a man (or a woman) to gain the whole world but to lose his (or her) immortal soul?

The Ten Commandments also come to mind: How about not bearing false witness against thy neighbor?

Both McCain and Palin fancy themselves to be Christian. Well, let's judge them by their deeds, as well as their words. And in both cases, it's lies and more lies.

Then, remind America's church-going folk who the Great Deceiver is. Yes, the devil, if you're so inclined to believe in him. And they are so inclined.

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Let the lies continue!
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 15, 2008 6:20 AM   
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It's hard to bleieve any article regarding politics lately but in all fairness, Palin reduced the earmarks from about $550 million in 2007 to $200 million.

So while she didnt eliminate them, she did reduce them substantially.
Obama's were at about $700 million including some for a hospital where his wife worked.
(NYT)
""Sen. Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for clients of the lobbyist son of his Democratic running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, records show. Obama succeeded in getting $192,000 for one of the clients, St. Xavier University in suburban Chicago.""

As for the bridge to nowhere..

(National Review)"Before Team Obama continues its attacks on Sarah Palin for at one point voicing some general support for the Bridge to Nowhere, the presidential hopeful has some explaining to do. Let the record show that Barack Obama himself voted for the bridge at least twice, as did his running mate Joe Biden.""

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» RE: Let the lies continue! Posted by: libdem123
» RE: Let the lies continue! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Let the lies continue! Posted by: sirios
» Bully Buster Posted by: LionHeart
Me thinks you protest too much
Posted by: solrev on Sep 15, 2008 6:22 AM   
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The national polls at this time mean very little. State polls are what counts. As for Rovian politics of lies, they work only in that they give people who are looking for an excuse not to vote for Obama, the excuse they need and truth is irrelevant. Palin was a good strategy she pulled in the southern Baptist vote and any women sexist’s voters. Women will be saying shortly, it is nice to have a woman on the ticket, but we have bigger fish to fry. McCain got a small boost from the convention and a small boost from the Russians. Include the Palin boost and look at how small the boost actually is. Obama jumped to fifty after his convention, he suffers now from the out of site out of mind syndrome. Obama does not have to lie; McCain has given him plenty of opportunity. Whether Obama and his advisors can take advantage of that is the question. The collapse of the investment banking system has even Kudlow scratching his head. If Obama does not put an ad out immediately he is a fool. He has McCain on tape saying, “I do not know much about the economy”. I am not sure we can avoid a massive world economic melt down, so we better be careful whose hand is on the button.

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Enough with the lies......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 15, 2008 6:43 AM   
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The fact that the corporate owned MSM continues to give a free pass to Sen. McShame in much the same way that they gave to Bush speaks volumes! And look how well that has turned out! Those women that are so vocal about their support for Hillary yet refuse to vote for the democratic nomination of Sen. Obama are deluding themselves if they believe that the McShame/Paleface ticket is the answer! Sen. McShame has voted with Bush over 90% of the time, don't believe that as President this man will change policies or the direction of this country! And as he has been in the Senate for 30 years, and admits that he is weak on understanding the economy, means that this country will continue down the same disastrously destructive course we are on! Is that really the way we the people need to go?

With all that we face in this day, we as a country are standing at a precipice, and either we all fall together or we all swim together with a rising tide! The issues facing this country are enormous: Iraq & Afghanistan, a savaged economy, a deregulated "free market" drunk with it's own power, mortgage morass, health-care crises, environmental suicide, jobs hemorrhaging to overseas markets, and yes these issues will demand the shared sacrifices of all of US! We need someone that is rooted in reality, with a vision to help US start to find the path! Will all of this be accomplished in the next 4 years probably not?! But that does not mean that we need to continue down this destructive course that we are currently taking!

At this time the country needs to wake up and stop falling for those "cultural" fake me out issues, and start to work on those things that are really out of control! I too believe in the culture of life, I believe that the 48 million alive people in this country that are not covered by health-care need to be addressed before we worry about the ones yet to be born! I believe in the culture of life and that means that we need to address the issues of man-made global warming before we are forced to wear gas masks! I believe in the culture of life and that means that we need to address quality education for all of our children from pre-school thru affordable college! I believe in the culture of life and that means we need to take care of the children currently in the foster care system. Yes, I believe in the culture of life, and that means that whether you're born in this country or you are a recent immigrant I believe that we should all have a good quality of life! Do you really believe that McShame/Paleface will lead us that way?

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The Republicans have been lying for 28 years at least if not 40.
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Sep 15, 2008 6:46 AM   
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The trick is they frame them so that the public "accepts" them. The progressives and liberals need to not just state the facts but make them acceptable to the public. As long as the "conservatives" and Republicans keep framing their morally bankrupt "conservative" ideology as "acceptable" to the public, the facts will continue to be written off while rightwing lies will be "accepted".

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McCain started lying when he came home from North Vietnam
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 15, 2008 6:47 AM   
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On May 14, 1973, U.S. News & World Report published a 12,000-word personal account by McCain about his POW experience. In the document, he shaded the truth (lied) about what happened to him.
For example, in regards to collaborating with the NVA, he wrote: "They took me up into one of the interrogation rooms, and for the next 12 hours we wrote and rewrote. Then the 'gooks' made a very serious mistake, because they let me go back and rest for a couple of weeks. When they called me up again and wanted something else... I was able to resist. I was able to carry on. They couldn't "bust" me again.

Despite a super fresh memory, he never said in 1973 what he confessed to. Not until four decades later, in his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, did McCain recall on page 198 revealing “information about my ship and squadron.”

Actually McCain told NVA interrogators the name of his aircraft carrier, how many Navy pilots had been lost, the number of planes in his flight formation, tactics used during bomb runs and the location of rescue ships in the Tonkin Gulf.

Because of the revelations which McCain repeated in numerous propaganda radio broadcasts (something else he didn't mention in his 1973 article), the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him “Songbird.”

Despite his claim in the U.S. News & World Report account that the enemy "couldn't ‘bust' me again," during his hospital stay and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with NVA interrogators, made more radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries in comfy settings while back at the Hanoi Hilton, the other POWs continued to suffer.

In the 1973 article, he talked about meeting Cuban journalist Fernando Barral: “So I went to see this visitor who said he was from Spain, but who I later heard was from Cuba.”

According to Barral, who later reported his interview in English version Communist Party newspapers, the meeting took place in a posh office at Hanoi's Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations headquarters where cookies, oranges, coffee and cigarettes were offered to McCain and accepted.

During the interview, McCain voluntarily talked in Spanish about his family, future aspirations and downing of his plane. Quoting Barral, "McCain lamented, 'If I hadn't been shot down, I would have become an admiral at a younger age than my father.'"

Although McCain claimed he didn’t discuss military matters with Barral, the Hanoi Hilton's U.S. commander, SRO Jeremiah Denton, later issued an order forbidding POWs to be interviewed by visitors.

Said McCain on page 305 of Faith of My Fathers, “[Denton's] decision was a sound one, even though it deprived me of further opportunities to demonstrate my psychic equilibrium, not to mention the [loss of] extra cigarettes and coffee."

In his 1999 autobio, while admitting to accepting special favors from the enemy -- drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes -- McCain conveniently omitted the fact he had conversed with Barral in Spanish, a more serious POW Code of Conduct violation.

In sum, McCain may be a tough war survivor, but he is no hero.

Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below:

Songbird McCain
(Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain
(self-explanatory)
Vote Vets
(supported by 100,000 by Iraq and Afghan war vets)

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» RE: Hugh Scott - can we have a break! Posted by: nearblindjames
» Hugh Scott......... Posted by: LionHeart
WHERE THE HELL IS McCAINS HONOR?
Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 15, 2008 6:48 AM   
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WORDS COUNT

HONOR is a formally defined core value in the US military. This is supposedly part of John Mcain's very fiber.

Then why?- Why has Mr. McCain's campaign become so obviously and shamefully dishonorable?

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
ralippin@aol.com

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WILL THEY PAY A PRICE?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 15, 2008 6:56 AM   
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No. But the rest of us will. Bush has been lying for 8 years and he's yet to lose a night's sleep. Habitual liars suffer no consequences to their actions. They just don't. They've long since crossed a line and believe every word they say. They seem to smile alot. For the most part, they go unchallenged. They don't pay a price partly we don't demand it. The press & media simply fill time and space with empty chatter. Nobody really takes them on. They continue to get a pass. Thanks, ANNA

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The Sheeple
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 15, 2008 7:04 AM   
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I have arrived at the conclusion that the sheeple are total idiots. I mean think about it, McBush and Palin have been caught in Laie, after lie. Lies piled on top of lies yet many still support them. If they are LYING now, imagine what they will do once elected? Seems the US of A has truly gone down the toilet. How sad!

Jiff
Ultimate Anonymity

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Blame the loss of newspapers
Posted by: dumdumboy on Sep 15, 2008 7:33 AM   
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I think the root cause of the success of the Repug strategy of bald-faced lies lies in the fact that most Americans simply don't read newspapers anymore. For the most part, they rely for their information on TV news reports, as well as TV political advertisements. Yet TV newscasts have severe time limitations, and are not conductive to detailed analysis of the issues. I think that there has been a dumbing-down of the American public, and that the genius of the Repugs, as detailed in such sources as Rick Perlstein's "Nixonland," as well as Eric Alterman's "Liberal Media" column in The Nation and by the website "Media Matters," is to use this lack of intelligence to their advantage. It is quite infuriating. How do you lead the horse of the American public to the water of knowledge when the through of newspapers is vanishing?

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Politicians Lie - We Need Accountability!?!
Posted by: djnoll on Sep 15, 2008 7:34 AM   
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It is obvious that the campaigns are buying ad time and that the media is still not sure where to go other than corporate sound bites. But here is where it can get interesting: what if we, the American People, did something about it now? What if we flooded the e-mails of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and any other network or media outlet we can find with the following message:

Dear Sirs;
You are licensed by the FCC to report the news, and your are not allowed to issue false or deliberately misleading information through your outlets. As such, I am now demanding that you pre-screen every ad by both politicians, using Factcheck.org, and that you refuse to run any ad, either directly or indirectly through a news item, that is not entirely, factually correct. If you fail to correct this behavior, I will file a complaint with the FCC and demand that your license to broadcast be suspended or that you be fined each time you run an ad that is factually incorrect or slanderous. Sincerely,

If you not only send such a notice, and get everyone you know to do the same thing, then follow up within 48 hours with a similar e-mail, cc'd to the FCC along with a formal complaint.

You might also want to point out that every time you see an campaign ad that lies so egregiously as the McCain/Palin ads do, you will repeat the process. Point out that this campaign has said the media is too hard on Palin or sexist in its coverage. Had Nixon, Clinton, or Bush said the same thing, they would have torn them apart in the media - so why give McCain/Palin a pass? Point out that McCain is not the hero - that he even admitted in his book and in his acceptance speech that he did not love his country until he was a POW - even though it had fed, housed, cared for, educated, and employed him since birth! Point out that they allowed the Clinton campaign to disparage Michelle Obama about her being proud of being American as an adult, but that they will not call McCain on a comment that was even worse!

Flood the media e-mails and mailboxes and phone lines. Demand accurate, honest reporting and a stop to the lying ads of the McCain/Palin campaign. Make them understand that if the ads are honest and stick to the issues you will support their being shown, but that to take money for the spreading of rumors is both a violation of their license and a disservice to the American public which is already leaving their audiences in droves because of their obvious propaganda dissemination.

Take action and make your voice heard, loud and clear and NOW! McCain's camp called the media unfair - well encourage the media to be fair and honest and objective, and then when McCain complains, say to them "Be Careful What You Wish For!" Stop the Ads and you stop the lies cold.

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Vote for freedom
Posted by: Freedomrings on Sep 15, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Neither party is telling you the full truth. Look up the government buyouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Look what the federal reserve does with inflation. If its not Iraq, it's afghanistan and then the georgia Russia conflict. Its time to tell our leaders enough with this undemocratic government. Restore our voice in decision making, join the campain for liberty, google ron paul. Youtube Ron Paul for 15 minutes, it will change your entire outlook on politics. Its not the republicans alone, not the democrats alone, they combine to form a ruling class who is not looking out for us. Its time to win our country back.

-Freedom Rings

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» RE: Vote for freedom Posted by: Quannah
McCain and Palin
Posted by: katee on Sep 15, 2008 7:55 AM   
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Does it surprise anyone that Palin and McCain are lying. Their whole life is one big series of mistruths. I have to admit as a christian their influence is coming from an evil source. You would think people would see them for what they are. They don't care about things that are important. No candidate is perfect but I would rather take my chances with Obama. McCain has been continually dishonest and Palin's history with the fact she has put her seventeen year old daughter being pregnant in the limelight gos to show her lack of good judgement and care for her daughter as well as a bad influence on the young people in our country. It goes to whether or not this young lady has been taught any moral values. I guess that doesn't matter to the Republicans. There are a lot of questions as to the numerous areas in the life of Palin and McCain. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure that out!!!

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» RE: McCain and Palin Posted by: VZEQICVA
Does anyone remember Rove's "reality-based community" statement published in 2004?
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Sep 15, 2008 7:56 AM   
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He was speaking off-the-record to Ron Suskind. The interview is in the October 17, 2004 edition
of the NYT.

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

Who besides guys like me are part of the reality-based community? Many of the other elected officials in Washington, it would seem. A group of Democratic and Republican members of Congress were called in to discuss Iraq sometime before the October 2002 vote authorizing Bush to move forward. A Republican senator recently told Time Magazine that the president walked in and said: ''Look, I want your vote. I'm not going to debate it with you.'' When one of the senators began to ask a question, Bush snapped, ''Look, I'm not going to debate it with you.''


Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush

Looks like its part and parcel of the strategy of McSame's campaign.

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Mccain is indeed going to give US troops/veterans a VERY VERY BAD NAME - CHAOS MCCAIN AT LARGE !!!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 15, 2008 8:08 AM   
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A Real, Moderate Independent Look At John McCain

A love of strippers, drug addicts, and chaos, which brings his campaign actions and claims clearly into focus.



by

Thomas J. Bico


I'm trying to wake the Obama/Biden campaign the FUCK UP because currently in my state of VA, the "John Mccain is a Vietnam hero" shit is spreading like wildfire and getting the military vote all revved up for Mccain. They would have never supported Kerry. If you all want to RESCUSITATE the otherwise dying Obama/Biden ticket, join me and take this article and smack it to them. If Mccain is allowed to get away with his evermore chaotic plans,

GOD WILL CONTINUE TO SEVERELY PUNISH AMERICA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION AND EVEN MORE SO THE LIKES OF WHICH AMERICA HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED !!!!

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The way this works ------------
Posted by: symcokid on Sep 15, 2008 8:10 AM   
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Mac McCain and Sgt. Sarah Palin are both professional liars to begin with so we should have high expectations of them to take the fine art of Politicking to next level. As long as they remember the lies on top of lies in the future as they are being cross examined about their backgrounds they'll be just fine.

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Rigged elections
Posted by: DragonOak on Sep 15, 2008 8:17 AM   
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Welcome to John McCain as President, which during his first term will open the door to Sarah Palin as President. Each and every patriotic American should shudder at those realities that are coming into view. Fanatics, christian religious zeal, and the continued raping of the Constitution will become the norm, and the sad thing is that the American public will let it happen.

2004 a President with 35 percent approval rating has such a statistical improbability of actually winning an election that it isn't funny, yet Bush did, and not a single soul really truly questioned it. Everyone went back into their covey holes and resumed a demeaned style of life while their homes were being foreclosed, their jobs being sent over seas, their sons sent to an unjust war, and their dream of proper health care vanquished. And now we are seeing polls that suggest McCain is in the lead. I never thought it possible but we have entered a world we dumb and dumber are now the norm and no longer just a dream for Nascar fans.

DragonOak

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» RE: igged elections Posted by: Cosnofsky
GOP Strategy
Posted by: Cosnofsky on Sep 15, 2008 8:18 AM   
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Has it occurred to anyone that the lies and distortions coming from the McCain campaign are consistent with the GOP core strategy? I submit:

The neocons want government to go away. If they can't do it by "drowning it in a bathtub," or electing one of their own to dismantle it from within (they know they are in trouble this time, and they can't win if they actually announce their plans), what better way than to create such a burden of contempt for the opposition among the gullible as to make it impossible for the winner to govern?

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McC Not Owning Up to Lies
Posted by: charles_courtney_bd6 on Sep 15, 2008 8:44 AM   
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When John McCain is asked about his lies and smears he responds in two ways which try to put the responsibility on others, particularly Obama. He says, "This is a tough campaign." Then he says that Obama refused his invitation to hold a series of joint town meetings, implying that therefore Obama, not McCain, is responsible for whatever McCain and his campaign decide to do. When challenged about his "lies" ön "The View" program, he said they are not lies, but then made the two points above. Rather than giving evidence for his claims, he changed the subject and shifted the responsibility away from himself. Shameful and cowardly!

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Sen Obabma
Posted by: gellero1 on Sep 15, 2008 9:38 AM   
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Why is it that AlterNet will not hold Sen. Obama accountable for his documented lie ( exposed after the Canadians went to the press ) of 'changing' and 're-examining' NAFTA.

Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.

Translated........nothing will change. Sens. Obama & Biden represent the Chicago and Washington establishments par superior. You are all deluded by your unwarranted zeal/hate.

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» RE: Sen Obabma Posted by: Betsy L. Angert
» LOL............no, darln' Posted by: gellero1
» You ARE deluded Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Sen Obabma Posted by: babs
» Cite your Source............. Posted by: gellero1
McCain – Palin Patrol
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Sep 15, 2008 9:57 AM   
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Dearest Robert Parry . . .

I thank you so much for this comprehensive and concise chronology.

I know not of you, but for weeks, I have felt as though I am part of the McCain – Palin Patrol. When my own Dad, the man who taught me to be a disciplined, diligent researcher quotes the Republican rhetoric as truth, I worry. Friends on the "Right" who were once reasonable in political discussions are now beyond petulant. In volatile rants, they recount one distortion after another; a litany of lies is posited as truths. Then, when asked to support a stance with documentation, or consider how such philosophies contrast with highly valued principles, those I have spoken to rage and then run. A good friend, politely and abruptly ended a telephone conversation when asked of the Ten Commandments in reference to policies McCain and Palin support.

After troublesome conversations with McCain - Palin mimics, a few in my life who are not Internet users, and wish to read what I have read, have received packets of articles from reputable sources.

As I type, in the background, I hear Sarah Palin. She is on the stump and still repeating the false claims. When Karl Rove criticizes McCain and Palin and accuses each of lying, well, what more can be said.

I offer a few thoughts for your review. Please share your reflections. . .
Sarah Palin; Science or Survival of the Fittest
Palin On Fire
Sarah Palin; Wrong Woman, Woeful Record
Say Nothing. Know Nothing
To Vet or Not to Vet; That is the Sarah Palin Question
Full of Gas

Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org

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A special response to LionHeart who wants proof about Songbird McCain
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 15, 2008 10:25 AM   
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In his reply today on another thread (titled, "Start providing proof!"), Lionheart wrote the following -- beginning with a quote from my comment:

"Despite his claim in the U.S. News & World Report account that the enemy "couldn't ‘bust' me again," during his hospital stay and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with NVA interrogators, made more radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries in comfy settings while back at the Hanoi Hilton, the other POWs continued to suffer."

Provide proof....


Here's enough evidence to satisfy reasonable people:

1. By his own admission, McCain met with Cuban journalist Fernando Barral in 1970 -- more than two years after being captured when he, McCain, was no longer being tortured.

2. On June 4, 1969, again two years after McCain was shot down, a U.S. wire service story headlined, “PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral,” described one of his radio recordings: “Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the United States commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.”

Both events occurred after the NVA stopped physically abusing POWs. Thus the self-serving Barral meeting, McCain accepting enemy favors and his radio broadcasts were completely voluntary and violated the Code of Conduct.

3. In 1987, the CIA released 35 pages of original documents which were intercept reports from the Agency's Foreign Broadcast Information Service and the Message Center of the U.S. Department of Defense National Military Command Center.

The Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS) is an open source intelligence component of the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology that monitors, translates, and disseminates within the US Government openly available news and information from non-US media sources. In 2005, FBIS became known as the Open Source Center (OSC).

The files on McCain, which dated from October 11, 1967 to February 20, 1973, were released in response to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests relating to POW/MIA issues.

Most of the broadcasts were part of a systematic propagation of a doctrine, reflecting the views and interests of the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War.

The broadcasts translated and/or transcribed include:

(1) a Vietnam News Agency international broadcast of an interview with McCain,
(2) an interview of McCain, conducted by French journalist Bernard-Joseph Cabanes,
(3) Radio Moscow domestic Russian report on a Pravda Review article concerning the air defenses in Hanoi, featuring North Vietnamese interview content of McCain,
(4) an article written by French TV reporter Francois Chalais concerning American pilots held in North Vietnam, which included interviews of McCain.

Also reported by the CIA, in January 1970, Radio Havana broadcast McCain's interview by Fernando Barral. The broadcast received attention because McCain mentioned Lyndon Johnson’s management of the war.

Is that enough proof against Songbird McCain, LionHeart?

Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below:

Songbird McCain
(Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain
(self-explanatory)
Vote Vets
(supported by 100,000 Iraq and Afghan war vets)

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» VetagainstMcCain, wow... Posted by: bobtr900
Stop whining and start fighting back
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 15, 2008 10:27 AM   
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Did you know that John McCain crashed 5 expensive military jets that the American people had to pay for? 5 jets!. And his last crash put him in enemy hands, and put the US at risk for propaganda campaigns and possible intelligence gathering. He's not a war HERO, he's a natural disaster.

See it's not so hard. And by the way, yeah it really was 5 planes...why are we not being told about it? They "swiftboated" Kerry, we can do the same with John "Crash" McCain.

dboy

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» RE: The 6th Plane Posted by: taxidriver
» Dboy Posted by: bobtr900
» ......HOW?...... Posted by: donl51
Proof that the Internet is all that there is of our "Fourth Estate"!
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Sep 15, 2008 10:32 AM   
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The bottom line here is that not only do we not have a functioning Fourth Estate, necessary to have any democracy, but in fact they have been perverted by their "Rupert Murdock" type owners and various CIA asset owners and employees into an effective propaganda machine for all our MSM news, including PBS/NPR. This is the "high ground", as the Republicans found out in the '60's after Goldwater and '70's after Nixon, and so effectively worked under the leadership of Wm. Simon, and former CIA agent Richard Mellon Scaife, and, more recently, foreign fascistic import (thanks to Newt Gingrich) Rupert Murdoch. Until we fix our media problem we will not be able to fix anything else, absent a new depression, which can as easily lead to more of the same rather than less.

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TruthIsSuperiorToHonor
Posted by: ittakesallkinds on Sep 15, 2008 10:38 AM   
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It is surprising to me that more people don't take issue with the tv networks that broadcast these ads rife with lies & deceipt. After all it is quite within the networks' capabilities to fact check all claims that are made. They could also pull the plug on the 'lies of omission' contained in every McCain ad I've seen so far. The media conglomerates are complicit in, thus guilty of all deceipts contained in these dispicable McCain smear ads.
People need to direct their outrage against these lies to the advertizers underwriting programs that feature McCain's ads during commercial breaks. THAT my friends - the bottom line - is the only thing that gets any real attention. Let the boycotts begin!

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Sarah Palin Admiration Society
Posted by: SarahPalinAdmirationSociety on Sep 15, 2008 10:57 AM   
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Read about "Anchorage's 'Other' Palin Rally - Sarah Palin's Detractors Are Coming Out of the Woodwork" at: www.SarahPalinAdmirationSociety.com

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The GOP Liar's Club-a new cartoon video
Posted by: what0now0toons on Sep 15, 2008 11:00 AM   
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All I've seen from the GOP is Nixon, Regan and a couple of Bush's and all of them were champion liars, from Watergate, Iran Contra,read my lips, no new taxes, and...the shrub...oh where do I even begin? The latest wanna Bee's have got to be the biggest liars of all. So much so I had to animate one of my weekly political cartoons and put it up on You Tube, it's called "Liar's Club!" and here's the link;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQI6H6MSaXw
it's also up on my site
www.whatnowtoons.com

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Its the media stupid!
Posted by: Tombo on Sep 15, 2008 11:26 AM   
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The Repugs set this up from the very beginning by casting the media as biased against them. It's a liberal media who is out to attack and distort the record of all Republicans so why trust them? This is what has the critical-thinking-impaired bible toting gun thumping conservatives snowed. And besides people don't vote with their minds but with their heart and guts. That is what the Democratic party has yet to comprehend.

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It's pretty simple....
Posted by: ptoddchesser on Sep 15, 2008 12:06 PM   
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Republicans "espouse" virtuous values.....
and they'll lie through their teeth to make sure they are believed.

McCain= Lies
Palin = Lies
GOP = Lies

So if you want more of the same dishonest, cynical governance vote for the lying liars and the lies they lie.
Go Get 'Em America!

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59+ million Americans
Posted by: bobtr900 on Sep 15, 2008 12:24 PM   
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are ready and actually have entered into a new dimension of political lying. Tehy are the same ones who continue voting for Bush and the Repukes, no matter how much they lie.

These people are the 'dumbed down', low information voters who always seem to live in Indiana and Kansas and other places, mostly in the south. These are the haters who always listen to hate radio/Tv/media, to O'Reilly and Hannity, Bozell and Noonan, Ingraham and Buchanan, and about a dozen others who lead the hate wingers.

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A Campaign to Nowhere
Posted by: JohnJlws on Sep 15, 2008 12:30 PM   
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I took a look at these two: "the Maverick" and the Mayor and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at "the Maverick's" war and foreign policy and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at a grade school science book, found dinosaurs and man didn't co-exist, and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at "the Maverick's" goose-step acceptance of everything GW and republican and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at "the Maverick's" energy policy which supplants great press for good governance and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at "the Maverick's" Party's desire to be in the most intimate part of our lives including our reproductive rights and our sexual partners and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at "the Maverick's" environmental plan (it's only a paragraph) and said "thanks but no thanks." (Kidding about the paragraph, but it might as well be that long.)

I took a look at "the Maverick's" ludicrous reputation as someone who bucks his party and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at the very, very scary positions his ridiculous choice for VP supports and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at all the lies, the smears, the mud-slinging, the lack of vision, the lack of an idea, the embrace of pandering and said "thanks but no thanks."

I took a look at this disastrous economy, an economy "the Maverick" almost gleefully admitted he didn't understand, and said "thanks but no thanks."

And, I took a look at the Supreme Court, Roe V. Wade, Separation of Church and State, habeas corpus, and the litmus test "the Maverick" says he will and then says he won't utilize to select judges to support positions that most resemble Nazism and said, very loudly, "THANKS BUT NO THANKS!"

Thanks but no thanks, "Maverick."

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» RE: A Campaign to Nowhere Posted by: ptoddchesser
American Mussolini
Posted by: olandug on Sep 15, 2008 12:51 PM   
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Why is the media so bias towards Obama?
There is something very wrong in our society when the media selects a candidate as a favorite.
Have we not learned from history where such blind worship leads?
The dictators Hitler, Mussolini, Kim Jong Il all began as a cult of personality worship. The media for these dictators were slanted during their rise and then controlled after they assumed power. Obama is clearly following the same pattern.
Obama and his wife have a horrendous history of evil and whenever facts of Obama’s infamous life is mentioned, the press ignores it. But for Hillary, McCain or Palin, if they so much as sneeze, they are mercilessly taken thought the ringer and insulted by the press relentlessly.
Is this because we are afraid to criticize an African American or because some powers above are manipulating the media?
- It is also interesting to note, that Obama critical posting are often banned or removed by the mediators of blogs or newspapers. A shocking example of this is The Swamp - Tribune's Washington Bureau who will almost NEVER print anything anti-Obama yet they are ubiquitous throughout the Internet. Doesn’t slanted reporting and opinion contradict the concept of news? Doesn’t China and Russia do this?
Obama is not even elected yet, and Obama’s cult followers have already managed to implement restrictions on Freedom of Speech and undermine media neutrality. What will happen to us if Obama were elected? He will teach our youth to be thugs like himself. And if you don’t know why I call him a thug, find out how he got elected as senator and look at all the ill associations he has hobnobbed with throughout his life. Remember when he gave the finger to Hillary on national TV and now calling Palin a pig.
We have clearly become a society whose depth of thinking is equivalent to that of Britney Spears and we will pay for this lazy intelligence and lack of critical thinking with our country. We are setting the stage for an American Mussolini.

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» RE: American Mussolini Posted by: babs
» RE: American Mussolini Posted by: rob-bot
» RE: American Mussolini Posted by: cdub
» So What !!! Posted by: gellero1
» RE: So What !!! Posted by: cdub
Face it, Red State America loves being lied to
Posted by: sausage on Sep 15, 2008 1:09 PM   
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The bigger and stupider the lie, the more they love it!

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Not to make light of it
Posted by: LAThinker on Sep 15, 2008 1:38 PM   
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A desprate move by a desparate man

How McCain Picked Plain

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When "Christians" are Wicked
Posted by: dayahka on Sep 15, 2008 2:40 PM   
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I am not surprised at McCain's and Palin's lies because George Bush has been lying for 8 years and he was allowed to get away with it--by a completely bought and paid for Congress and Press. McCain is just following his example. What is astounding to me is that alleged "Christians" (McCain and Palin) are deliberately lying, distorting, misleading, and bearing false witness against others, abusing power, engaging in rank nepotism--and all of their alleged Christian supporters are cheering! God must be turning over in his grave! This is not a matter of psychosis or psychopathology; it is deliberate wickedness. We can sneer at delusions and wink at mild indiscretions, but surely there is a special place in the infernos of hell for these two-faced so-called "Christians."

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» RE: When "Christians" are Wicked Posted by: Mom of two toddlers
So there haven't been any lies told by Obama?
Posted by: lstm1 on Sep 15, 2008 4:34 PM   
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

Before starting on the lies told by Obama, let's just start with the website above regarding lies told about Sarah Palin. The Obama website itself included the books supposedly "banned" by Sarah Palin while mayor of Wasilla (a list that includes books that hadn't even been published yet when she was mayor).

If you have any doubt that the "book banning" lies are, in fact, lies, then simply go to the Wasilla library website and you'll see the truth.

Note that when I wrote to the Obama blog, correcting them about this false claim, they left the original list up, but deleted my message (so much for Obama's transparency).

Next, this article seems to claim that the NY Times somehow is pro-McCain. Can anyone seriously believe this, or that they are somehow scared of McCain (look at the stories which they have corrected to see that they came out with rumors themselves before they could be substantiated).

One of McCain's supposed "lies" includes a claim that Obama wants to raise taxes. McCain doesn't need to make this up; Obama has said this himself. He wants to raise federal income taxes, social security taxes, oil taxes, capital gains taxes, etc. These are all well documented, so why should McCain have to apologize for stating the truth?

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» RE: Taxes for who? Posted by: bessie
And about those dinosaur's...
Posted by: lstm1 on Sep 15, 2008 5:03 PM   
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Yes, the lies continue about Sarah Palin (including here). Of course that was a great quote from Sarah Palin which said,

"God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats."

Sad to say folks, she never said that either. However, the fact that she didn't say it, shouldn't stop you people here, Obama's website, or Matt Damon. Why let the truth get in the way when rumors are so easy to pass on?

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/sarahpalin /a/bogus_quotes.htm

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» RE: And about those dinosaur's... Posted by: whatawaste
GOP TROLL ALERT: Another Karl Rove Club member accuses me of being a fake veteran
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 15, 2008 5:34 PM   
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Today on another thread, a poster named Illiteratilumen surfaced after (his words) "giving Alternet a break for awhile because of the hard-on the editors have for Sarah Palin."

Here's what Illiteratilumen said about me:

My bet is that you are a fraud who cannot be honest with himself or with the people who stumble upon your website or any other works you have out there.

My bet is that you are nothing more than a wanna-be journalist with too much time on your hands.

My bet is that you are so egotistical and morally bankrupt that you don't have a problem retending to be a Vietnam veteran when you are probably not.

It is an insult to the Americans and Vietnamese who actually got caught up in that war.


End of Illiteratilumen's comment.

Last week, I responded to another GOP troll named Lionheart also has also personally attacked me in spite of AlterNet's NON-enforced policy against such postings. In my rebuttal to LionHeart, I wrote about "gettting caught up in the Vietnam War" this way:

I served my country honorably during the Vietnam War as a combat crewmember in the 320th SAC bomb wing stationed at Mather AFB, California.

One June 26, 1965, we flew "Arc Light One" -- the Strategic Air Command's first bombing mission of the war. Tragically, while flying through a typhoon at night, the historic operation turned into horror when two B52s from my wing collided and went down in flames over the South China Sea, killing eight crewmembers.

Years later, I wrote about Arc Light One in a nonfiction book this way:

To our rear, the second B52 wave, consisting of three-ship cells on five refueling tracks, approached the Air Refueling Controll Points where their tankers should have been orbiting for the refueling rendezvous. To close the gap, the KCs were flying faster than normal and the bombers had slowed.

One cell of B52s used a different method to kill time -― the wrong one. Inexplicably, the three-ship cell made a 360-degree turn and flew through a formation on the adjacent track.

Two bombers from the 320th, one in each cell, collided and went down in flames. At least six crewmembers ejected and made it to the water, a surging maelstrom of churning waves. I knew some guys were alive because I could hear their emergency radio beacons in my headset.

I remember the noise as a high-pitched whine that tailed off at the end, then repeated itself. In my brain, it sounded like “Help me...help me...help me...”

I couldn’t help thinking what a terrible and sad way to die -— alone, soaked and seasick in a one-man dinghy thousands of miles from home.

If I’d been alone in the cockpit, I would have cried.


Imagine how you would feel after living through that experience, and then to be called a "fake" veteran by Lionheart.

I can't begin to express my outrage over such a scurrilous charge, one of many by LionHeart that AlerNet has tolerated despite its policy against personal attacks on other posters.

That goes double for Illiteratilumen.

Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below:

Songbird McCain
(Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain
(self-explanatory)
Vote Vets
(supported by 100,000 Iraq and Afghan war vets)

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» Should I get you a tissue? Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
That's what the ninth Commandment is about
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 15, 2008 6:13 PM   
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“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

So every single time the repugs or McCain or Palin tell bold face lies against Obama they are breaking the ninth Commandment of God.

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bs
Posted by: whatawaste on Sep 15, 2008 6:21 PM   
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What McCain does is attack the media as biased on the right wing sheep go for it. Everything the media states is false, therefore everything McCain says is fact. He now leads in the polls. what else can you say? The country deserves him and what is coming.

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Hillary must speak up against McCain/Palin
Posted by: Mom of two toddlers on Sep 15, 2008 10:42 PM   
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WHY is Hillary not kicking Palin's #$* ?
WHERE is Hillary's voice?
We believe(d) in you, Hillary !!

Deliver us from this extremist (but telegenic) extension of the Republican twist-your-truth engine.

Please, Hillary, say something succinct that will resonate with all those women out there that are mistakenly thinking that, if they vote for Palin, they will support the cause of women in general!
Point out that she would never have been picked if she had not had a vagina and TV presenter experience.

Come on, Hillary!
Say something that will show how fake and misleading and plain ignorant Palin is. How she is not for freedom but for imposing her view on others.

Point out how Obama is far more about UNITY and small town values than the Republican ticket would let you believe - Obama is about bringing morals and principles back to our society: Truth, Freedom, Responsibility for our actions.

Tell the country that Obama is the one who is sincere about uniting the American people (and hopefully even with the rest of the world) rather than this Republican party which is driving the knife of 'us versus them' ever deeper.

Come on, Hillary, say something wise and appropriate and in support of the Dem ticket.

Come on.

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» PS Posted by: gellero1
Confronting the Lies Does Not Help the Democrats!
Posted by: lbrlw13 on Sep 16, 2008 11:44 AM   
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I was reading something on the Huffington Post website which described John McCain's experience on the View. Specifically, when it was pointed out to him that he was lying and he denied it. To the logical person, this should be more than enough to write him off as a candidate. But, voters are not logical. Voters will see the MSM confronting McCain/Palin with the lies, but what they won't see is the MSM confronting Obama/Biden with lies. Yes, it's true that Obama has not made so many blatantly misleading statements, so arguably, there's not as much to attack him on.

But, for those on the Right, who feel that liberals look down on them and that the MSM is liberal and on the attack, these confrontations merely fuel their "Small town, right wing, moral-values being persecuted by the latte-sipping liberal MSM beliefs." If you assume that all politicians lie, which is largely true, and you see the MSM confronting only McCain/Palin about their misrepresentations or lies, then you believe the MSM is attacking them for being Republican - not because they lie.

Thus, what you are left with, as a voter with the above-described mindset, is "all politicians lie, but the MSM is only attacking the Republicans. I have heard comments from many undecided voters that they can't tell a difference between the parties. Well, there you have it. If both are the same (at least in some peoples' minds), and the MSM is only attacking one side, who will you vote for?

Hmmmm....which one of these people running for office can I relate to more? Which would I like to have a beer with?"

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» Astute Observation Posted by: gellero1
Would you really vote for a deceitful Obama? I bet you ultra liberals would!
Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Sep 16, 2008 3:34 PM   
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Here is an example of why voters are flocking to McCain Palin. The Genuine Candidates!
While Carly Fiorina, Republican Victory 2008 Chairwoman, was being interviewed on MSNBC. With the viewers they have why would she waste her time? But she did and she had a quote. “I don’t think John McCain could run a major corporation. I don’t think Barack Obama could run a major corporation. I don’t think Joe Biden could run a major corporation. But on the other hand a major corporation is not the same as being the president or vice president of the United States. It is a fallacy to suggest that the country is like a company. So of course to run a business you have to have a lifetime of experience in business, but that’s not what Sarah Palin, John McCain, Joe Biden or Barack Obama are doing,”
Obama released a video clipping all the quote but “I don’t think John McCain could run a major corporation.”
“When John McCain’s top economic adviser doesn’t think that he’s qualified to run a corporation — how on Earth can he run the largest economy in the world in the midst of a financial crisis?” Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement accompanying the shortened clip.
This kind of gutter politics is what AMERICA is used to from that trash OBAMA! WHERE IS THE OBAMA THAT SAID HE WOULD RUN A CLEAN CAMPAIN? Where is the Candidate of CHANGE? He is the same old Liberal Trash!

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» That is not the point. Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
ignore palin
Posted by: cinnamon45 on Sep 16, 2008 5:32 PM   
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I urge all supporters of Sen Obama to mainly ignore Gov Palin, as talking about her is playing Karl Rove's Game: talking about Gov Palin is moving the discussion away from issues where Sen Obama can win - like health care, jobs and education - to trivia where, since Rove selected the game, Sen Obama is at a disadvantage.
The proper response of any supporter of Sen Obama when someone asks about Gov Palin is something along the lines of, well she seems like a typical member of the GOP, loving pork and decrying it at the same time, proving that women can be as bad as men. But enough about Gov Palin - lets talk about how Sen Barack Obama is going to bring good jobs to this country, how he is going to help you pay for your kids colleg, aobut how he is going to start to fix the health care system in this countyr. Those are important real issues, and Gov Obama is the best man for the job

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» Barak Obama, the Savior Posted by: gellero1
WE'RE ALL SINGING TO THE CHOIR HERE
Posted by: orwellturns on Sep 16, 2008 9:08 PM   
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Many of us that read Alternet articles and TruthOut and other alternative news know and are inflamed with fear and passion why we cannot have McCain/Palin win. We know their history (it din't take long to know Palin's) and all their lies, the people that don't know and don't want to know are the hardest to deal with. I know that when I pass around articles to friends I make sure I don't send them to friends that think otherwise because I don't want them to get mad at me, especially when they are family members. I AM GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE I'M GOING TO THROW CAUTION TO THE WIND AND ESPECIALLY SEND ARTICLES AND INFORMATION TO PEOPLE THAT ARE McBUSH supporters. I'll probably loose some friends and Thanksgiving dinner could be a problem but that is what we need to do, CONFRONT AND TALK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR ANOTHER DISASTROUS FOUR YEARS OF McBUSH AND HORRIBLE UNQUALIFIED, APPALLING PALIN.

OBAMA/BIDEN MUST!!

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John C.
Posted by: John C. on Sep 16, 2008 9:15 PM   
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Don't you love it...these are the rules:

AlterNet will not tolerate:
personal attacks on our writers or readers
excessive profanity
racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

And that's all that seems to come out of the liberals mouths.

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John C.
Posted by: John C. on Sep 16, 2008 9:23 PM   
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The hysterics and desperation of liberals is great fun to watch and read. Sarah Palin is vey much representative of many people in this country...insult her and you insult the nation. Keep it up...no really...keep it up...but it's too late...the knee has jerked and you can't take it back.

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» LOL.....I Luv it ! Posted by: gellero1
John C.
Posted by: John C. on Sep 16, 2008 9:34 PM   
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Having witnessed all the smart boys and girls on Wall Street obfuscate value and create the deriatives Rubik's Cube...I think it's interesting listening to Carly talk about something she really doesn't know anything about...since she ran HP into the ground it is a bit annoying. Frankly, Obama, Biden and McCain don't have any private business experience and are political lifers. Obama is a soft Marxist and is hostile to economic policy as well as ignorant. Biden, forget Biden...McCain truthly isn't much better. Palin despite a short tenure seems to have more ability to reform, and reorganize the Alaskan government while maintaining a high approval rating...she didn't climb up on her husband's coattails (Hill and Bill), she is a self-made person with no political advantage. They know what the middle class existence is like and I doubt are swayed the idiotic nonsense they pervades the MBA classes. I think a common sense person has broke through all the compromised career politicians and is going to use the bully pulpit...

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» RE: John C. Posted by: jeffr
John C.
Posted by: John C. on Sep 16, 2008 9:40 PM   
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hmmm...I guess the dictatorship of the proletariat are taking a latte break and have put down their keyboards...I know it's exhausting "freaking out" but it's a long way to November.

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READ THIS
Posted by: Lilly on Sep 16, 2008 10:13 PM   
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"Privileging the Lie" by Jamison Foser (online). Details how journalists do the job, on Obama for example.

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John C
Posted by: gellero1 on Sep 16, 2008 10:17 PM   
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A brain seizure usually takes a few minutes to recover from..........if ever.

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It should come as no surprise
Posted by: jeffr on Sep 19, 2008 5:24 AM   
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... that the media fails to call McCain and Palin on their lies when the RepubliCONS own and control most of the media.

The Bush policy for his entire tenure has been that "if you repeat the same lie often enough, eventually people will accept it as the truth".

What the hell, it worked for Hitler... right?

We are a nation of sheep, being quietly led to the slaughterhouse by the Republicons. If we don't wake up, as a nation, RIGHT NOW... it may be too late.

Rise up, campaign, vote ... before it is too late.

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ConcernedMilf of www.TheSarahPalinPortal.com
Posted by: ConcernedMilf on Sep 19, 2008 6:22 PM   
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If you've been following Troopergate, I found the original press release that Palin released on Monegan. Since we can't get a straight answer as to why she "fired" him, at least we have her words as to why she "hired" him:
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Palin Cabinet Begins to Take Shape
Governor-Elect Announces Commissioners of Natural Resources, Public Safety, Corrections


Anchorage – November 28, 2006 - Governor-Elect Sarah Palin today announced the first three members of her cabinet. Former Anchorage Police Chief Walt Monegan will serve as Department of Public Safety Commissioner, longtime corrections superintendent Joe Schmidt was named Commissioner of the Department of Corrections and former DNR Deputy Commissioner Marty Rutherfor d will take over the top job at the Department of Natur al Resources and will serve as interim Commissioner.

“I’m proud to count these Alaskans among my most trusted advisors,” said Palin. “Each one has a proven track record of success and an unwavering dedication to Alaska.”

---------------------------------------------
This is verbatim. This is, as of this moment, still posted on Governor Palin's original campaign site from that time period.

(I can't seem to add the link for this website, something about the word being too long to post, but if you go to my website, you can find the actual link to the press release from her old archived site. If you try to go to PalinForGovernor now, it sends you to John McCain's site. So, please go to my website, check out the Pants On Fire page, and link from there.

Concerned Milf

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Baa,Baah
Posted by: wormfarmer on Oct 7, 2008 1:31 PM   
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We are at a point in society that demands OUR PARTICIPATION! I believe in the ideals that Ralph Nader champions, the belief that we are all “The People”, and that when corporate funds are accepted, strings ARE attached. I can only hope that our divided, distracted, diverted populace does something other than electing one of the corporate shills running, we’ve had 200 years to have a representative government, and
still have a corporate power structure that has run us into the ditch YET AGAIN! Let Nader in the debates, the worst that can happen is public embarrassment of the corporate candidates McPalin and O’Biden.
Lets do something different this time, Vote Sanity, Vote Nader. If the people are content to live under corporate rule, supporting the elite, then so be it.
All I ask for is a just and fair society, common responsible behavior from both the people, and the government they elect.

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