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Has Sarah Palin Motivated the Very Voters That Obama Needs to Win?
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The Palin speech was shocking for its aggressive attacks against Obama, and it was full of condescending misrepresentations of Obama and his record. Palin used a lot of what Rachel Maddow has taken to calling lies on her new MSNBC show (joining a chorus of journalists who are trying to shame the corporate media into acknowledging mendacity when they know it to be present).
But a third and perhaps the most noteworthy aspect of the Palin speech was who and what she left out of her picture of Alaskan adventure and small-town values. Palin never mentioned health care, women's economic issues like equal pay, or showed any empathy for the economic plight of millions who have done very poorly in George Bush's America -- particularly unmarried women, who, by virtue of their single status, tend to fare the worst in economic downturns.
At 26 percent of the voting-age population, single women are also the biggest single eligible voter demographic. And according to a survey by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, they are the most dependably progressive voters in the electorate. In the last two elections, unmarried women supported Democrats with 62 percent of their vote in 2004 and 65 percent in 2006.
With her speech, or rather with what was missing from it, Palin drew attention to the biggest fault line in the election: the huge chasm between mostly white, married women, and the less white, overall less affluent, but far more progressive unmarried women.
The dirty little secret in this election is that the gender gap -- which may be as high as 10 percent for Obama -- is dwarfed by the marriage gap. In a recent tracking survey by Gallup in mid-August, Obama led 49 percent to 39 percent among women, but trailed 49 percent to 40 percent among married women. Meanwhile, among unmarried women, Obama trounced McCain by 57 percent to 30 percent.
It is unlikely that the Palin nomination will change the marriage gap dynamics. In fact, it might exacerbate them further. But the bigger challenge is this: Single women, for a variety of commonsense reasons, do not vote at the same rate as married women, who frequently vote the same as their husbands. In order for progressives to gain influence and for Obama to win, the large unengaged voting bloc of single women will need to be registered and mobilized immediately. And the primary way to reach them is by talking about "kitchen table" issues, not cultural issues and "family values" that Republicans use to frame their messages.
Who Does Palin Think She Is?
Many people watching the Palin speech must have wondered: "Who the hell does she think she is?" After all, Obama has spent a grueling year meeting and speaking to many thousands of Americans across the country, raising hundreds of millions of dollars, winning a majority of the primaries and garnering more than 17 million votes via an incredibly organized and effective primary campaign, not to mention his sterling nomination speech in front of 80,000 delirious supporters in Denver. And Sarah Palin, what had she done? For 20 months she was governor of a state with a population of about 70,000 less than her "favorite city," San Francisco. She showed up when John McCain beckoned her to St. Paul, bringing her moose jokes and small-town hockey mom credentials. Her task: to stir up the pots of race, class, gender, culture and resentment in America.
Of course, the mostly male media loved her speech, since for many of them politics is best when it involves combat. Time magazine's Jay Carney enthused, "Two things are clear after Sarah Palin made her do-or-die debut before 20-plus million people tonight. She is amazingly self-confident. And she knows how to nail a speech." James Gordon Meek and David Saltonstall at the New York Daily News wrote: "Sarah Palin boasts she can take it -- and boy, can she dish it out."
The killer narrative of the pit bull with lipstick, dishing it out to the Ivy League smarty pants, was too enticing for the ratings-hungry media to ignore. So they glossed over the false content in the speech -- the rampant lies and the striking omissions -- and focused on the fairy tale, the pugilism and the delivery: "Gee, Sarah Palin reads real good from the teleprompter." "She is a comer." "She could turn this race around." That's what passed for analysis in the mainstream media. And Palin, with the media's enormous hype, took all the oxygen out of the rest of the convention, including McCain's clumsy follow-up speech. Palin continues to dominate McCain's campaign stops.
The corporate media saw a big opportunity when Palin arrived on the scene. Why not make the presidential campaign one big reality show, with Sarah Palin as the centerpiece? It took about two days before Palin was on the cover of US Weekly, clutching one of her key political assets -- her infant Down syndrome son, Trig. Soon the media began presenting Palin as Obama's equal, at least in terms of coverage, pushing the old war horses John McCain and Joe Biden to the sidelines. The slice of America that is reality show-obsessed got its gender-versus-race story line back, and there is no telling where this chapter is going to lead.
Along the way, the media made the assumption that women would be as thrilled with Palin and her presentation as they themselves were. After all, wasn't she a powerful example of modern feminism? A woman who could manage her unwieldy family and run the state of Alaska at the same time, no problem? And besides, she is so cute in that Tina Fey, helmet-headed, librarian kind of way. But of course, as we have come to learn in an avalanche of revelations, Palin is far from perfect. The biggest blow to the idyllic scene was the small fact that her teenage daughter was pregnant and was going to get herself married to the guy right away, even if he doesn't want kids and prefers to be "fuckin' chillin," according to his MySpace page.
Who and What Was Left Out
In her speech, Palin painted a picture of small-town life, patriotism -- "always thinking of country first" -- unencumbered by the complexities of big-city crime and poverty. I'm sure such places exist, and probably many yearn for the good old days -- a life that was more simple and less economically stressful. But Palin's small-town perfect picture is far more fantasy than reality. In truth, small-town life often is a big struggle for its denizens, in terms of jobs, mortgages, affordable health care and much more. Rust Belt towns and cities have been boarded up. In many parts of the country, perfect-pitch America has passed into a world of agribusiness, housing sprawl, Wal-Marts and fast food strips -- a lot like life apparently is in Wasilla, Alaska, where Sarah Palin was a small-town mayor.
And who is left out of the idyllic, nonexistent vision of "America" so adored by conservatives? Huge numbers of Americans: city dwellers, people of color (who represent 26 percent of eligible voters -- but that's not important to Republicans. As the Washington Post reported, the Republican convention was the whitest in 40 years), homosexuals, millions of creative people whose lifestyles are not in the Palin world view, and of course single people, particularly single women.
Single women, of course, cover a wide gamut of wealth and education, but their single common denominator is they are making their life on their own. And because of huge wealth stratification, most single women are less well off than their married sisters. It is these single women, the group Palin may have alienated with her speech, that have been hit hardest by the Bush economy. Palin showed no empathy for the many millions of single moms, widowed women on social security, women abandoned by partners, or simply independent women who have a challenging time in an economy where 80 percent of inflation-adjusted income has shifted upward and away from them. The top 1 percent of households now claim nearly a quarter of the nation's wealth, a troubling trend given that women account for 59 percent of low-wage earners -- those making less than $8 an hour -- and, on average, still earn only 77 cents for every dollar a white man earns. That figure shrinks to 63 cents on the dollar for African-American women and 53 cents for Hispanic women.
When Palin was fetishizing her version of the perfect family ("Our family has the same ups and downs as any other, the same challenges and the same joys. Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge"), she missed the huge audience of single women by a mile. And as some post-speech polls indicated, women overall are not so excited by Palin.
A national survey of 1,356 women -- 1,295 likely voters -- conducted on Sept. 2 and 3 and focus groups conducted after Palin's acceptance speech by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research for WVWVAF found that while the selection of Palin is seen positively by female voters, it is also the case that her selection has given little lift to the Republican ticket and significant questions about her remain to be answered. Female voters -- married and unmarried alike -- were impressed with Palin's poise and confidence but wonder what she stood for and how she would address America's most pressing problems. Fundamental to the unmarried women in these groups was the fact that she did not sufficiently address key issues in their lives. This is particularly true of the economy, about which unmarried women claim to have heard almost nothing of relevance to their economic standing. One single woman said point-blank, "I didn't get anything about the economy."
On the other hand, Palin has attracted big crowds while campaigning and reading, from teleprompters, the same speech she gave at the convention. The Washington Post reports that positive ratings of Palin spike to 80 percent among white women with children at home and among white women who are evangelical Protestants. The percentage of white women with "strongly favorable" opinions of McCain jumped 12 percentage points from before the parties' national conventions.
The Progressive Challenge
While the media is hyped up on Palin, and she has energized the conservative base, it is unlikely she will gain any ground with the single women vote, which has historically been much more progressive than married women as a group. In 2004, John Kerry won women by 51 percent to 48 percent; he lost married women, 44 percent to 54 percent, while enjoying a huge margin among unmarried women, 62 percent to 37 percent. In the 2006 congressional races, unmarried women supported Democratic candidates by a 33 percent margin.
So although unmarried women are more likely to support Obama than McCain, getting them to the polls is another matter. Unmarried women are underrepresented in the electorate. In 2004, 20 million unmarried women did not vote. Compared to married women, single women are 9 percent less likely to register and 13 percent less likely to vote. To use one striking example, given that John Kerry won unmarried women by 62 percent to 37 percent, not getting unmarried women out effectively left 12 million progressive votes at home -- and possibly cost Kerry the election.
Relative to the rest of the electorate, unmarried women remain unengaged. According to the Greenberg research, 64 percent describe themselves as very interested in politics (10 on a 10-point scale), which compares unfavorably to 73 percent of voters overall in an NPR survey in battleground states; among married women, the number reaches 78 percent, a 14-point difference. Stanley Greenberg adds that "on balance unmarried women report the same level of contact as other voters." But as Greenberg emphasizes: "More important, given their progressive instincts and the fact that they are less likely to participate in politics, unmarried women should be getting more contact than average."
And while the unmarried-women demographic is a vastly diverse constituency with varied politics and needs, economic issues have a huge impact on many of their lives:
- More than 40 percent of single women have household incomes of $30,000 or less;
- Single women make 56 cents on every dollar that a married man makes;
- Single women are less likely than married people to have health coverage;
- More than 10 million are single moms with children at home.
This is why meat-and-potato issues rate at the top of the agenda for unmarried women, and why progressives need to reach out to single women by addressing these issues.
Getting the Job Done
So the challenge for progressives over the next two months is to energize unmarried women by addressing their highest priority -- the economy -- in a way they can relate to their own experience. All the rhetoric about inflation, or whether we are in a recession or not, is likely baloney to them. Many single women are making it paycheck to paycheck. So it would stand to reason that Obama's tax plan -- which would reduce taxes for 95 percent of the population and only raise them for people making more than $250,000 -- would be a well-known fact and a cause of motivation. Yet for reasons that are hard to grasp but could certainly be attributed to the media repeating false Republican talking points, some polls show that more than half of voters think Obama is going to raise taxes on them, not lower them.
So, to progressive leaders, consider the math: Single women are the biggest voting bloc; they will vote for the Dems 2-1. Increasing their turnout in relation to the overall electorate by 3 points would increase the Democrats' vote by 2 points. In other words, single women would make up 24 percent of the vote share instead of 22 percent, and that could make a big difference. Since overall single women make up 26 percent of total voting-age population, if you do the simple arithmetic, they are the group primed for the biggest growth among progressives and the electorate at large. It's time to reach out and motivate.
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Posted by: ranchero42 on Sep 12, 2008 12:09 AM
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 12, 2008 1:32 AM
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Women voters --and men as well -- need to know about every speck of dirt the media unearths on Manchurian Candidate McCain's Hockey Mom running mate.
And there will be digging -- lots of it! In the Internet age of instant communication, dirty political laundry is just as valuable as Yukon gold.
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» Speaking of "Hugh Scott"....
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» RE: Speaking of "Hugh Scott"..[Glad to see that 'There is no such thing as bad publicity'
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» Thanks for the support, Tom. I was beginning to feel picked on. Oh, well.
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» well, Hugh
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» Tell me, LyingHeart --what flavor of GOP Kool Ade do you drink?
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» RE: Speaking of "Hugh Scott"....
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» Get REAL, LyingHeart. You've been smearing Obama on AlterNet for months!
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» Thanks for the support, JSquercia. I love the nickname you coined: "LyingHeart."
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» Hugh Scott - weren't you banned from Alternet?
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» Let me guess, LyingHeart -- the GOP Kool Ade you drink is called "Sour Grape."
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» Funny stuff, helenwheels. But I don't think LyingHeart is laughing.
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» Do everyone on AlterNet a favor. PussyHeart. Post your insulting comments on a GOP blog.
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» Hugh Scott
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» Dear God Lionheart....
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» foreverhope...........
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» Bullshit, LyingHeart, You have been smearing Obama for months.
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» RE: Bullshit, LyingHeart, You have been smearing Obama for months.
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» RE: Bullshit, LyingHeart, You have been smearing Obama for months.
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» Great comment, foreverhope, but I doubt LyingHeart will read it
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» Calling people "morons" like you do, LyingHeart, is one of the highest forms of mud-slinging!
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» RE: Calling people "morons" like you do, LyingHeart, is one of the highest forms of mud-slinging!
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» RE: Appalling Palin has had her 15 minutes of fame. And blew all of them crying HAVOC!
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» Two telling quotes on the news this morning
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» You fight it with TRUTH, thistleblower. If that won't work, America is fucked!
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» Isn't this a trap?????
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» That's exactly what John Kerry thought, CatDad, when the Bushies swiftboated him in 2004.
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» RE: Appalling Palin has had her 15 minutes of fame.
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Posted by: vot on Sep 12, 2008 1:54 AM
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wake up to the fact that this "silly,phony" woman is the creation of and being used by those very same NeoCon-Israeli-Zionists that gave us GW Bush and his crazy policies.
Word has it that she is being "schooled" by this slime as another mouthpiece and water carrier-type of Bush-stooge "with which we have become quite familiar during his disastrous,
reckless presidency " !
When will the general public see thru this scam,realizing that >enough is enough< and outright reject this nut of a clueless woman >
My National Security Credentials Have To Do With Energy and What is the Job of the VP-elect
What a Comedy Show Performance !
Let`s face it,the Bottom Line actually is this:
both "clueless" Sarah and "cynical"John are
another attempt by the Republicans to steal the 2008 Election... again...>if we let them!
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» Sarah the psuedoconservative evangelical wet dream
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Posted by: LionHeart on Sep 12, 2008 2:50 AM
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And yes Obama has been at it for over a year - just a year...not much more. Nearly 1/3 of women who would have voted for Hillary is undecided and over 20% said they will vote for Palin. THAT is pretty substantial for a "hockey mom".
Can you say Vice President Palin? We might if the left doesn't wake up and stop insulting small town USA!
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» Wow, thanks... I live in a small town as well.... very very rural...
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» RE: Where do you live? In the REAL world. Where the majority of women are Pro-Life.
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» Hugh Scott - weren't you banned from Alternet?
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» Lionheart, do you dream about Hugh Scott?
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» I LIVE IN L.A., "Cowardly" Lion
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» I don't 'imply' things Lionheart, I say things flat out
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» No one on AlterNet has "insulted" Small Town USA, LyingHeart. That's a GOP talking point.
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» Just where WAS the insult to small-town USA?
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Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Sep 12, 2008 2:58 AM
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Remember the 2000 or 2004 Bush maps and that part of the nation don't read the AlterNet, dont drink Starbucks (and if they do) the damm sure is not reading the New York Times. Middle America is pissed thanks to the Palin smears however it also dose not help when Obama is running against her instead of McCain.
That Northeast Beltway Education/Media Kabal can go ape s*** over Sarah Palin all they want however it will take Nov 4 for the to realize that no one is really listening.
Lucky you'll see this when the returns come in from Pennsylvania.
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Posted by: Suzon on Sep 12, 2008 3:51 AM
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Would any of that happen in a Palin administration (McCain's health is already seriously compromised)? The mindset she represents is the now familiar "we take what we want and justify it with lies".
Might a return to sanity at least begin to happen in an Obamba administration?
The cohort most likely to wreck the chance of our getting back on track is composed of the irrational third party voters. We know that Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and has had useful life experiences.
Hope is the first step on the road to recovery.
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» Sure, but economic survival is at risk because (to quote Palast) we have the best democracy
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» those irrational third party voters
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» slam dunk! despite how sleepy I am I had to give you a five!
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» Nobody cares what school a candidate graduated from. It's how Obama can handle the issues and prove
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Posted by: FMABBI on Sep 12, 2008 3:58 AM
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Our power - as middle class citizenry - is being diminished every year as we grow more and more in debt due to mortgage fiasco, credit card & student loan debts, the national debt as a whole - and our addiction of foreign oil. We're going bankrupt! Hello? Anyone out there? How can the Republicans be trusted to govern effectively after they PROVED that can't do it? The very few elite (the ones with big money) are running things and have NO INTEREST in helping the middle class. Do NOT TRUST THEM! Let's take back our country!!!!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 12, 2008 4:17 AM
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Seriously, campers! How the hell is it going to look to the rest of the world if we elevate someone who has all the gravitas of Sally Field as Gidget to be a "heartbeat away from the presidency"? We're going to look like a nation of assholes, don'cha think?!?!?!? Remember the headline in London's Daily Mirror the day after the 2004 election?
HOW CAN 59,054,087 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?
I can just picture their post Election Day headline on November 5, 2008:
WHAT, ARE THESE PEOPLE FUCKING NUTS???
Hmmm....No. Call it a wild hunch on my part, but I've got a sneaking suspician that we ought not to go down that road again.
Tom Degan
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» Karl Rove's three-point campaign strategy is working again. LIE, LIE, LIE. Great post, Tom.
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» And the answer is...
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Sep 12, 2008 4:38 AM
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This election will (and has not been) about issues. It will be about the usual wedge issues-abortion, small town values, guns, gays, innuendos, lies etc. ALL Repuke ground. The Democraps do not and will not have an answer for any of these things...as usual.
It has become increasingly clear today that a candidate for public office faces Amerikkkan voters he does not face people of sense; he faces a mob of people whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — people whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand.
So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost. All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.
The Presidency has since Reagan, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
HL Mencken said: "On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." We have obviously reached that point and are ready to continue to move in that direction-hence the explanation for Palin.
Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong.
All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them as the Repuks have done soooo effectively.
So wine all you want to, the Repukes will win this election because the Democraps cannot frame issues and deal with facts that hurt the brains of small town Amerikkka.
As for me...I will not partake in this Dog and Pony show and will vote third party for the first time in my life.
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Posted by: williameon on Sep 12, 2008 4:53 AM
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They are sinking into the Quagmire and Quick Sand of their own failed policies.
Where is the Truth?
On The FAUX Media?
That’s what they would have you believe.
We all know that’s a lie.
Where is their Vision?
In the Gutter with the rest of The Trash!
In the Past.
The Status Quo.
GREED, Lies, Spies,
DEATH and DESTRUCTION.
ALL for Me and NONE for you.
What does a Billionaire or a Gender Ringer know about your needs and problems?
Vote BUSH/Chainey/McSame out of Office.
I want Change for my Vote instead of another I.O.U.
Eleven Trillion and Counting!
What, more Tax cuts for Billionaires?
It’s Unbelievable!
Been there and done that.
They are selling the Past
We can do better!
I want New, Fresh, Exciting Ideas and Plans.
Old McCain had his chance.
He blew it when voted 95% of the time with BUSH!
It’s almost over.
LAND SLIDE!
Bush/Chainey/McSame OUT OF OFFICE!
KICK!
The Chimp
Out of
Washington
And
RESTORE the Direction our forefather’s had intended.
By bringing Obama’s Vision into The Oval Office!
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» Yea, wouldn't you love an Open Debate for a change?
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» If 3rd parties were allowed to debate the duopoly, the duopoly would be FORCED to come clean.
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» Amen. And if the duopoly came clean, no one would vote D or R
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» Thanks. I want to vote 3rd party but the way the system's rigged, I guess I"ll have to sit it out.
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» I will vote, as always, for the most qualified viable candidate. Third parties in no way guarantee
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 12, 2008 5:05 AM
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 12, 2008 5:24 AM
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Unfortunately, the debates fail to meet the ideal expectations for a number of reasons but one, in particular, violates the basic principles of a fair, equitable and efficacious election process by excluding legitimate leadership candidates from the debates thus denying them visibility and credibility.
In very simple terms, the Democrats and Republicans exercise complete control over the debates through the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD)including place, timing, participation, format, questioners and frequently the questions to be posed to the candidates. There is something fundamentally undemocratic about the two leading parties, both financed by corporate money, making critical decisions about the elections that will clearly serve their own interests.
There are at least three presidential candidates from parties other than the two major parties including Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party, Ralph Nader an independent, and Bob Barr, a Libertarian. Who you say? Exactly the point in that third party candidates are trapped in a Catch-22 where they are unknown and lack credibility because they are excluded from corporate media coverage, from paid advertising due to insufficient funds, and from participation in the debates. They are excluded from the debates because the CPD created a criterion whereby parties need 15% in national polls to participate.
The criterion is flagrantly fraudulent and its only purpose is to exclude third party candidates from appearing on stage for the debates who might pose a threat to the entitled major party candidates. For example, neither Dole nor Clinton wanted to invite Ross Perot to participate in the debates in 1996. Clinton demanded his exclusion because he enjoyed a 20% lead in the polls and didn’t want anyone to change the dynamic of the race. Dole didn’t want to improve Perrot’s chances of winning more votes as it would probably be at his expense. The CPD naturally excluded him notwithstanding that he had won 19% of the popular vote in the 1992 election, received $29 million in federal funds and 75% of eligible voters polled wanted him to participate in the debates.
The CPD’s criterion is rife with flaws and exposes its real intent. A criterion based on polling results of an arbitrary 15% of how people might vote at a particular point in time in the upcoming election is inferior to a criterion based on whether they want a particular candidate to be invited to the debates. The fact that 75% of eligible voters wanted Perot to be involved in the debates is considerably more significant than a poll that reflects the lack of exposure of that candidate. The voters should decide who participates in the debates, not the leaders of the two major parties.
Another fair and equitable criterion would be to allow any candidate to participate in the debates who is registered in a sufficient number of states where the electoral total is above the minimum number of votes to win the election.
Third party candidates who have a legitimate claim to be included in the debates are being denied the opportunity based on political reasons rather than on sound democratic principles. These candidates’ contribution would be to broaden the voter’s understanding on a number of issues and to present a different analysis of American society. Voters are not only entitled to hear all points of views from serious candidates but will be incapable of making an intelligent, informed choice inside the polling booth without their input. Apparently the Democrats and Republicans are afraid that the voters may become “to-well” informed.
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» It's not a secret. And it will remain so if the third party strategy remains what it is now.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 12, 2008 5:27 AM
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I am a Veteran, by accident not by choice even though I have an RA number. I do not care whether citizens know what that means but any Vet who served in the Nam Era before 1967 knows damn well what that means.
I have asked before of you who read here to speak up if you knew McCain in the Nam. I ask again, put yourself on the line here if you will, because it's Clobberin' time! Sara Palin is Jingoism personified. Her antics may appear hilarious to some of the Veterans out there but if you love your country and you love your children take this Pervert of Religiosity VERY seriously. Some of you already know what the core of Religious Patriotism represents. If you do not I recommend you read two small books one by Arthur Koestler: “Darkness at Noon” The other The True Believer by Eric Hoffer.
Please you Veterans out there, you don’t have to be violent to cause change you all know that! One man with intelligence and foresight can be fulcrum or leaver. Loose the ‘tudes dudes! I know that the urge is to stand on the side line and shout HEIL or VIVA is near overwhelming, the Creator of all things knows I have done my share. After all what’s a Meta For if not to see the larger picture. True introspection can see the monster that lurks within and control it to good purpose. The Theocrat sees only that if God calls for a thing to be done then HE (the Theocrat) is not responsible for outcomes and God becomes the Scapegoat!
Is it not time to stop the silliness? Please do not allow supercilious religion steeped children to herd the human lemmings over the cliff here. I for one did not invest my life in staying with this country only to see it fail now because of a crew of Brain Deceased Whelps. If I must suffer this ignominy then someone is going to rue this particular day!
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Posted by: stevehamlin on Sep 12, 2008 5:40 AM
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On Patriot's Day.
On September 11th.
What, indeed, is honor John McCain?
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 12, 2008 5:55 AM
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Sep 12, 2008 5:56 AM
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The minute Obama appears to be a run-away winner, advertisements will dry up, there will be fewer viewers,... This just cannot be allowed to happen, so the corporate media needs a heroin to build up and take the spotlight away from Obama. You may recall a very similar thing happened in the primaries.
The sad thing about this is that so much of the public is so easily led around by the media (or is it by the nose?), which seems to have a direct line into so many peoples' brains; what begins as a marketing ploy becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Just because the media suggests Palin is a pretty new face that they like quite a lot, some will vote for her and McCain.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Sep 12, 2008 5:56 AM
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The minute Obama appears to be a run-away winner, advertisements will dry up, there will be fewer viewers,... This just cannot be allowed to happen, so the corporate media needs a heroin to build up and take the spotlight away from Obama. You may recall a very similar thing happened in the primaries.
The sad thing about this is that so much of the public is so easily led around by the media (or is it by the nose?), which seems to have a direct line into so many peoples' brains; what begins as a marketing ploy becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Just because the media suggests Palin is a pretty new face that they like quite a lot, some will vote for her and McCain.
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Posted by: memci on Sep 12, 2008 6:02 AM
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Join the online crowd of women saying "no" to Palin with their heart felt reasons.
Go now to
http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/
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Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 12, 2008 6:24 AM
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» The Link to the Gibson/Palin is in my post above-JoAnne
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» Do We Need Even More Madness In The White House???
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Posted by: solrev on Sep 12, 2008 6:57 AM
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Posted by: johngary on Sep 12, 2008 7:28 AM
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Ms. Palin didn’t want her City to pay for rape kits. Kits used by the police to prosecute rapists!!
Ms. Palin doesn’t want schools to teach sex education. Like a women’s right to use birth control!
With these views you would think that women would be hitting the barracudas protesting against this primitive Moslem type, women repressive, Religious Code Palin backs.
But NOPE, instead they are rushing to back her as VP candidate!
Bottom line....WOMEN DON’T CARE!!
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» Hi Anna
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» SMART WOMEN CARE!!
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Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Sep 12, 2008 7:42 AM
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 12, 2008 8:09 AM
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http://www.bankingonheaven.com
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Posted by: veig on Sep 12, 2008 8:30 AM
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Lisptick.
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Gwendolyn Alexander, President
African American Historical Society of Alaska
Alaska Juneteenth Celebration
P. O. Box 143105
Anchorage AK 99514
(907) 884-6860
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» Governor Palin Lacks Rationality.
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Posted by: cyr3n on Sep 12, 2008 8:38 AM
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Posted by: lindat on Sep 12, 2008 8:40 AM
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Let him fix this disaster by himself now, The Clintons are nuts if they help this tool and his racist wife.
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Posted by: beeden on Sep 12, 2008 8:42 AM
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If the press can actually fulfill an enquiring role and present the issues people are actually concerned about to the candidates, rather than allowing further demeaning pollywaffle to be the exercises of their various media formats.
After eight years of mainstream media secrecy on government profiteering/manipulation/distortion and outright lies, a media that actually challenges the propaganda mindlessness would be a welcome return to civilization as we thought we knew it.
Let's hope that all candidates can be put though the wringer about the issues affecting the lives of US citizens, and with a media seeking truthful answers, possibly a president will be elected who will alter the US course of self-destruction and government-enrichment so blindly and greedily captained by the past regime.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 12, 2008 8:52 AM
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What happened? Their human side came around and they became bought and paid for. Palin is at the top of that heap. She's done more to destroy Alaska than any earthquake volcano combination could and she thinks she's good enough to tell you how to live. Way to support Liberty Ms.P.
But actually neither party is fit to run the country. Both have watered down environmental regulations to almost meaningless standards.
Both have systematically reduced our protections under the Bill of Rights. They have
violated Constitutional Laws by the dozens. They are co-conspiritors in destablizing governments all over the World. They live as though they are above the very Laws they write.
Do we really believe these people have our best intrests in mind? I don't think so,but then again, I'm not a sheep.
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Posted by: mtatasmith on Sep 12, 2008 9:12 AM
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Jesus Christ was a Community Organizer , Pontius Pilate was a Governor.
My advise to her is, remember Colin Powell and quit being a puppet for these guys - your family obviously needs you.
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Posted by: David Baker on Sep 12, 2008 9:14 AM
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You'll do well if you try to ignore the fantasy narrative - yeah, we know, easier said than done. It's remarkable how they've mixed the genres: Soap Opera AND Action. The Palin family melodrama is neatly designed to be a gossip generating machine (my favorite at the moment is that baby Trig was "adopted"). Meanwhile in the action genre the macho Republicans are finally forced to give in to "feminism" and they do it in a theatrically hyper-macho way: shooting polar bears, building ice hockey rinks, action figures etc etc.
Should you elect Governor Palin we'll be treated to zany family stories for years to come. It'll be spectacularly entertaining but it'll only be a distraction and ultimately harmful to your Constitution.
Riddle me this. Isn't there a world of difference between hockey mums and soccer mums?
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Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 12, 2008 9:25 AM
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Let's tell the truth--that white people, especially poor/working class whites--who've been economically DESTROYED by eight years of Bush's failed domestic policies are still willing to go against their own best interests to vote for yet ANOTHER GREAT WHITE DOPE!
Obama's message has always been about THE PEOPLE, and in case you were too busy watching 'Heroes', his constituency looks like AMERICA! Not the scary lily-white Aaron Spelling fever dream of the Repub-DICK-an national convention. He didn't make distinctions between white, black, GLBT, stay-at-home moms or working moms. When he spoke and continues to speak of what matters most, he's talking about ALL AMERICANS! What part of this just slips past you people?
Sarah Palin is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING that helps women, be they married or single. This self-centered piece of trash makes rape victims PAY for the their own rape kits! She opposes abortion under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, including rape, incest or to save the life of the mother! She opposes comprehensive, age-appropriate sex education and touts abstinence-only programs that, as we have all seen with Bristol, fail miserably. Her party--the Repub-DICK-ans have fought against health care for children, increases in the minimum wage (something which would benefit single women, especially single mothers). They are against equal pay and were INSTRUMENTAL in having the Equal Rights Amendment shot down before our very eyes.
How the fuck can this broad be good for America? Moreover, how can any SANE and RATIONAL woman vote for this book censoring, god-defaming, hypocrite wackjob given her record on women's issues? Come on Alternet, stop pandering to the same kind of disinformation that we're used to getting from Faux News.
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 9:42 AM
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GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
And that's not all. Here comes the capper:
GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?
PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?
GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?
PALIN: His world view.
GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.
Ms. Moosemeat did not know what the BUSH DOCTRINE is.
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 9:48 AM
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that if she gets into office, I predict, she and McCain will lead us into a major war of all wars and for the first time America will know what REAL DISASTER REALLY IS, nuclear disaster... just image that woman that close to being able to answer the RED PHONE... this whole thing is MADNESS LUNACY... INSANE
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Posted by: DaBear on Sep 12, 2008 9:53 AM
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When grownups (especially yuppie chicks at a Fourbucks) are willing to come to blows amongst friends over a candidate, you know something is up.
Saw another sticker (and I'm searching on the net for these things, I want a bunch of 'em) that read: "Caribou Barbie. That bitch took everything & I want it all back."
Somebody has to have these stickers. If you know, please put up a piece or an ad on Alternet or something?
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 10:20 AM
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Palin is not adequate to even be near the white house, let alone run anything inside the white house. Now that they are marketing a DOLL in her image,what does that tell you?
She is a product, a commodity, a puppet with extremist views on everything from women's right to abortion, to what people should think religiously, to over spending money, to flat out lying and hiding a sordid past, and is filled with more soap opera drama than all four TV SOAP networks combined.
Send this Dolly back to Alaska. Vote for Obama. YOU MUST! The very survival of this nation depends on it.
This woman has a sinsiter hidden agenda, and again, I predict if they get into office, this nation will be headed into a full blown Depression worst than that of the 1930's. MCCain is too old and just as plastic as those Palin dolls now on the market. He smiles out of both sides of his face, he is an Elitist with absolutey no concern about the middle class men or WOMEN in this country, and if you are not BIG OIL or make over $500,000 a year, you are not in HIS club or on his page book. He has no platform, has stolen every ideology that OBAMA has stated and presented. That alone should scare the HELL OUT OF EVERYBODY!!!
Milk is now $5 a gallon. Gasoline is back up PAST $4 a gallon. Who's in office? DUBUA and a REPUBLICAN REGIME. Look at all the number of TRAGEDIES that have befallen this nation since George DUBUA took office? Can anyone forget his first response to hearing about September 1lth, when planes first hit the Twin Towers? He continued to read a book to an elementary class for almost five minutes after hearing about it, while people were falling to their deaths to avoid black fumes. I studyied that look on his face once he was told. It will remain with me forever. And look at his rationale for going into Iraq? Why did we go and why are we still there? No weapons of mass destruction..were found, and how many years later, and we are still THERE? Look at KATRINA and how BUSH and MCCAIN ignored Americans for days while they died and suffered for need of just water. Look how many times McCain voted with DUBUA on most of these matters, stood as a Republicain on these matters. REMEMBER THAT. I DO NOT FORGET.
And now you have this nut cake, Palin added to this tragegy list. She was chosen to do one thing and one thing only... TO DISTRACT AND ATTRACT INTEREST IN HER.. .... so the focus would be on her, and MAINSTREAM MEDIA was counted on to BUILD HER IMAGE UP! That is evidenced by them producing DOLLS in her image...now she is a commercialized product. Main stream media is in on this scam. And Palin is a scam in my opinion.... Palin is making main steam MEDIA RICH... I guess she will have her own line of perfume next? COME ON AMERICA.. WAKE UP... FOCUS on your lives, and the reality that gasoline is $4 at the pumps, and your health care, and the fact that milk is now $5 a gallon, and the high costs of college, and growing loss of jobs, FOCUS ON THAT...NOT ON PALIN and HER all HER SOAP OPERA DRAMA AND DIRTY LAUNDRY, and NOW HER PLASTIC COMERCIALISM. PALIN IS A PLASTIC COMMERCIAL,
VOTE OBAMA, YOU MUST
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 12, 2008 10:21 AM
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Manchurian Candidate McCain's running mate had better be talking about the "Georgia" north of Florida. Because if Hockey Mom Palin isn't, she has been hit in the head by a puck one too many times!
Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below
VietnamVeteransAgainstJohnMcCain.com
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» AMEN, stopthemaddness2!
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» Hint: We belong to NATO, which Truman founded and JFK loved.
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Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 12, 2008 10:23 AM
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YES WE CAN BARACK THE VOTE BABY!
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 10:36 AM
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STOP PALIN DRAMA ....VOTE OBAMA Hey, I like that one...think I will pass it on to the OBAMA camp!
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Posted by: Sidra on Sep 12, 2008 10:34 AM
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I would dearly love to have a woman in the White House, but NOT some unqualified neo-con puppet! And there is a good chance if McCain is elected she would end up being the President since McCain is fairly old and sickly. While I use to think McCain was a fairly decent guy (for a conservative that is) I now see signs not only of senility but also clear signs that he is no longer his own man and therefore can not legitimately wear the label of being a Maverick. Pallin was picked because she's a woman and a pretty face, designed to appeal to the disenfranchised Hillary voters (like any woman would suffice -- how sexist of the McCain campaign to think Hillary supporters are that stupid); a 'hot babe' designed to appeal to the masses who think with their d_cks (unfortunately, a rather large group of constituents); and of course the right-wing Christian Nazi’s who believe its their God given right to force their beliefs and hypocritical morals on everyone else!
While I have been frustrated with the DNC for pandering way too much to moderates and conservatives, the GOP is close to being fascist these past 8 years! McCain use to be about the only conservative that actually didn't scare me -- but now that he is bordering on senility and it's become painfully obvious that he's being controlled, I'm very afraid that if he and Pallin are elected we would have the continuation of the neo-con fascist take-over of this country! May God protect this country from the rise of the 4th Reich! Vote Obama/Biden. Too conservative for my likes, but intelligent on the issues and clearly not fascist like the GOP!
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 10:37 AM
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Posted by: racje on Sep 12, 2008 10:53 AM
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It's not just single women. Unmarried men and women are much more likely to support Obama than married folks. This is a much bigger difference than the gap between men and women. The marriage gap is about 16%, compared to less than 5% gender gap. See Gallup.
Unfortunately, all the Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates are currently married, so those of us who are widowed, never-married or divorced will not be able to vote on identity politics. We'll have to see who actually speaks to our interests--and more important, to the concerns of the nation and the well-being of the world.
About 40% of the adult population is unmarried. Our family lives, social lives, and economic lives differ from married people in many ways. Who's speaking to us and for what we hold dear?
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 12, 2008 11:58 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_pGy_1bEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY
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Posted by: westomoon on Sep 12, 2008 12:03 PM
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Two things came to mind immediately: First, not to just assume that the single women I know are registered to vote, but to ask -- soon! -- and to help them get registered if they're not. Second, to help people for whom voting is a real hardship to handle the burden -- find out what it takes to get an absentee ballot, offer a ride to the polls, offer to babysit or fix dinner or look after the ailing parent or whatever.
Come on, y'all -- quit ranting and start helping. What else can we do? How can we find the single women who need help? Is there a way to get the helping-hand effort to spread, or to create a simple way for single women to ask for help? If we stand by and let this progressive sector of "we the people" slide overboard, what happens to the country will be our own damn fault, no matter how high-minded our rhetoric. Suggestions, please!
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Posted by: AmericanUSA on Sep 12, 2008 12:05 PM
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Insightful column at:
http://tinyurl.com/5wpmtg
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Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 12, 2008 12:11 PM
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Come on...Karl Rove is a political strategist who is also HUMAN. His success is based on tapping into the ugliness that is American culture, be it small town or big city. He has tapped into fear and ignorance, and THAT, ladies and gents, has been the key to why he's been so effective.
Thing is, Rove can be BEAT, but that depends on just how badly we liberals want to win. We have to be willing to get down n' dirty and expose the hypocrisy of the right to themselves and the world. We've got to go after McCain/Palin with everything we have--be it truth or not (be like Faux, we'll say hail marys later). We have to be willing to utterly DESTROY this war-mongering, hate-spewing, country-wrecking machine that has done NOTHING to better the lives of ordinary Americans.
And white people, PLEASE get over your fear of a black guy in the White House. Obama's no messiah, but he's a damn sight better than the alternative.
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Posted by: BST on Sep 12, 2008 12:11 PM
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"Many people watching the Palin speech must have wondered: 'Who the hell does she think she is?' After all, Obama has spent a grueling year meeting and speaking to many thousands of Americans across the country, raising hundreds of millions of dollars, winning a majority of the primaries and garnering more than 17 million votes via an incredibly organized and effective primary campaign, not to mention his sterling nomination speech in front of 80,000 delirious supporters in Denver."
No, I think, "who do we think she is after Hillary Clinton spent a grueling year meeting and speaking to many thousands of Americans across the country, raising hundreds of millions of dollars, coming in second in the primaries and garnering more than 18 million votes ... and is now relegated by her party to getting back on the stump to help save Obama and Biden from Palin."
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Sep 12, 2008 12:20 PM
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Wake up, folks! McSenile is 72--SEVENTY TWO!!!!!--the chances that this ignorant mouth-breathing flat-earther could succeed him to become president are extrememly high. Any candidate for VP who goes around making ignorant sabre-rattling pronouncements about WAR WITH A NUCLEAR POWER and claims that she has foreign policy experience because "you can see Russia from land in Alaska" is not only stupid, but downright DANGEROUS!!!!!
The only sane choice is Obama/Biden!!!!!!
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Posted by: archon_jim1 on Sep 12, 2008 12:23 PM
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Want to rape someone? Go to Wasilla and rape someone who looks poor: she can't afford to make a complaint. This in a state where the rape and sexual assault rate was, and still is, under Palin's tenure as governor, already three times the national average.
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Posted by: Floresta on Sep 12, 2008 12:24 PM
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I am single and own my own biz. The economy has been and continues to be a shit storm bummer in the construction trades. I am basically underemployed and hanging on, barely.
My single and married woman friends are, to a person, TOTALLY disgusted by the Palin pick. My one single republican friend is voting for Obama!!! as she is not on the winger-dinger wave length at all. Granted, I live in very liberal/progressive coastal CA. But even in the central valley, I've counted very few McCain bumper stickers and these folks tend to be *values* voters.
So, I agree with Don about single (the family values bs does not wash at all with us!!!) women as a voting block, with power to swing this election. And yeah, we are effing progressive, damn it!
Unless, of course, the corrupted voting machinery does us all in as it did in the two past elections.
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Sep 12, 2008 12:32 PM
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What Makes People Vote Republican? (by Jonathan Haidt)
Sorry to say but there's absolutely no mention of That Girl, The One, or anything else which is in the least bit sexy.
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» Wrong. Stop calling people stupid. First, R-E-P-A-I-R your Democratic Party !!
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Posted by: stewart.lawrence on Sep 12, 2008 12:54 PM
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For the record, I believe white evangelicals are the largest single voting bloc, at 26%. Obama is getting killed there.
There was an outside chance that Obama would be also to attract some significant support from moderate evangelicals. The Palin pick has pretty well nixed that.
It is noteworthy that the young evangelical leader who was supposed to give the closing prayer at the Democratic Convention backed out at the last minute. Cold feet, we're told.
I have seen the polls of young unmarried women you have referred to, and theoretically, they are indeed a large bloc, but difficult to categorize, and very difficult to mobilize - especially this late in the game.
Also, as you note, their politics is varied. That's putting it mildly.
For example, despite the fact that they are unmarried and lean broadly Democratic on economic issues, they are not very pro-choice at all.
Palin's anti-abortion politics is not likely to scare them, or even alienate them.
Furthermore, polls show that this group is DISGUSTED with politics - precisely the attitude that the McCain-Palin team projects, in contrast to Obama, who despite his bipartisan rhetoric, is really trying to revivify liberal Democratic politics.
This group doesn't want "hope," they want hell-raising - something to pull them out of their torpor.
It's all rhetoric perhaps, but the "All of Washington is corrupt, let's throw the bums out" populism strikes a chord here, as it does elsewhere.
Moreover, as generally - though not exclusively - younger people, unmarried women can relate to Palin's youth and informal attitude; it's certainly attractive, stylistically.
Obama is like the class valedictorian, nerdy, and also pampered. Unmarried women do not feel privileged and many will see Obama as privileged. Many don't have his education.
And then there's Michelle Obama. A super educated, careerist, "stand-by-your-man" Black woman. Not much for a single, unmarried less well-educated white woman to relate to.
Undoubtedly, there's a core of unmarried women, "Gen-Yers," who are overwhelmingly pro-Obama, and many probably are going to vote this year.
However, "Gen-Xers" are another story? These are not the Boomers who would support Hillary or the real youngsters who back Obama, but younger women in their 30s and 40s - like Palin.
I personally think most of the damage is done here, because Obama failed to pick Clinton as his running mate.
The fact is, Republican "Zombie Christian" or not, Palin has a uterus, not a penis.
There is, and always has been, an element of feminism that is based on the sheer fact that women can understand and bond with other women REGARDLESS of race, and class.
Only highly politicized women who went through civil rights are more clear cut in their understanding of feminism as linked to a certain kind of politics.
Remember, these unmarried women are pretty apolitical, or even anti-political - leaning Democratic but only in a VERY diffuse way.
Should they be registered? Of course. Is there time to register more? Maybe. Will they vote in much larger numbers with less than 60 days before the election?
Probably not, and probably not with the 2-1 pro-Democratic effects we saw in earlier elections.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 12, 2008 1:11 PM
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I think we have to take this battle directly to our neighbors. Those of us with good people skills need to go door-to-door, talking about this as private citizens who are deeply concerned about the future of our country.
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Posted by: mnstra on Sep 12, 2008 1:16 PM
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Sep 12, 2008 1:18 PM
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It seems to me that the media are owned by the most powerful entities in this country, and are helping the rest of the wealthy, powerful corporate world to control what we hear, see, and believe. (For anyone who sees certain liberal voices in the media from time to time, of course, corporations are about making money, not politics, religion, or social causes, so they do manage to inject certain progressive voices in order to maintain interest among their more "liberal" audience.)
McCain, Palin, and the Bush administration are all about sucking whatever assets exist upward from the working and middle classes in the form of deregulation as well as lowering taxes for corporations, investments, and family inheritence. Of course, the media might tend to be biased toward those goals, too.
If this seems off topic, it really isn't. It's about why the media are so enamoured of Palin and why they give McCain a free pass so often - as they did Reagan as opposed to Clinton over and over again. It's not because McCain or Bush or Reagan were more "likeable" or more apt to share a beer with working people. It's because they were more likely to share an agenda with corporations like the ones that now own the vast majority of TV stations, radio stations, and newspapers.
To finally fully come back to the subject of Palin:
Imagine if Michelle Obama had a Down syndrome child and three days later went on the campaign trail for her husband.
Imagine if the Obamas had a pregnant daughter who was about to marry a redneck who posts obscene language on the Internet.
Imagine if the Obamas were connected - even remotely - to a secessionist party whose leader claimed to "hate the American government." (Remember the tape of Rev. Wright being played over and over and over ad nauseum!)
In fact, imagine any one of a multitude of nasty facts about Palin attributed to either Michelle or Barrack Obama, and then try to imagine the media ignoring any of it.
Yes, the media have mentioned the Palin controversies, but they have not beaten them into the ground or repeated them continously. Not like the Rev. Wright story or the flag lapel issue or Michelle Obama's saying she was proud of her country for the first time.
It's grotesque and surreal that Sarah Palin has been give so much credibility by anyone. She's an ignorant, hyper-religious nutjob with mixed messages of the do-as-I-say-and-not-as-I-do variety when it comes to women's issues. Much like Ann Coulter, in fact.
I hope this article is right, and not only single women, but single men, married women, and married men wake up to the hypocrisy that is so generously doled out by the regressives formerly known as "conservatives."
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Posted by: westomoon on Sep 12, 2008 1:22 PM
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I'm a single woman too, but I have the good fortune to live in a vote-by-mail county, so the actual process of voting is not a hardship for anyone. I was startled by it at first, but boy, is it wonderful to live with.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 12, 2008 1:25 PM
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She is also a dispictable mother- Waiting 8 hours to seek medical attention for her month premature Down Syndrome child- so she could give a speech to Big oil and Get a Birth Certificate that did not just read AK, But Wassila AK!Was that your attempted at a Self induced Late Term Abortion Sarah?did your son end up with Down Syndrome BECAUSE of Your Actions (and Inactions) Was he actually in Fetal distress- but you had no idea because you never stopped at any of those hopitals along your travel route to have a fetal monitors hooked Up!
And She also apparently Couldn't take the time to discuss Birth control with her 17 yr old daughter!
And She is a dispictable person- shooting wolves from a Plane, just to cut their forearms off as Trophies!
She's not even a Good Christian- thinks God is on her Timetable (End of Times) Thinks God needs a nudge or help form mere mortals(Armegeddon) Thinks God is at her command as to who will be 'Saved' and who will Parish (Rapture).Who the fuck does she think she is ? who the Hell is she a Servant to- certainly not the citizens of this Country and certainly No entity referred to as the 'Almighty'!
Self Centered, Self Righteous, Self Anointed Hypocritical Heretical Bitch!
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Posted by: snedunuri on Sep 12, 2008 1:32 PM
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Posted by: stewart.lawrence on Sep 12, 2008 1:44 PM
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While only 17% of unmarried women are registered Republicans, less than half - just 46% - are registered Democrats.
Over one third - 35% - are registered Independents.
This is higher than the percentage of married women who are independents - just 30%
So, if Obama is leading, according to Gallup, by 57% to 32% among unmarried women, what does that tell you?
It tells you that McCain-Palin are greatly outperforming what a generic Republican would score among unmarried women.
Theoretically, from this independent pool, Obama is drawing 11% and McCain 15%.
In other words, McCain is leading among independent unmarried women, just as he is among independent women, and independent voters generally.
Remember Kerry bested Bush among unmarried women by about the same margin 4 years ago -- but fewer people were registered Democrats then.
Independents are supposed to have increasingly registered as Democratic - but as we've seen McCain is undoing this trend.
Upshot: you would really have your work cut out for you to find enough unmarried women to register as Democrats, register them, and then get them to vote as Democrats - all in 55 days.
Alternatively, how can you sway unmarried women, especially independents, but also Democrats, who may be leaning McCain-Palin?
Maybe what we really need is an unmarried presidential candidate?
De jure or at least de facto...
Hmmm......Wasn't that Bill Clinton?
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While only 17% of unmarried women are registered Republicans, less than half - just 46% - are registered Democrats.
Over one third - 35% - are registered Independents.
This is higher than the percentage of married women who are independents - just 30%
So, if Obama is leading, according to Gallup, by 57% to 32% among unmarried women, what does that tell you?
It tells you that McCain-Palin are greatly outperforming what a generic Republican would score among unmarried women.
Theoretically, from this independent pool, Obama is drawing 11% and McCain 15%.
In other words, McCain is leading among independent unmarried women, just as he is among independent women, and independent voters generally.
Remember Kerry bested Bush among unmarried women by about the same margin 4 years ago -- but fewer people were registered Democrats then.
Independents are supposed to have increasingly registered as Democratic - but as we've seen McCain is undoing this trend.
Upshot: you would really have your work cut out for you to find enough unmarried women to register as Democrats, register them, and then get them to vote as Democrats - all in 55 days.
Alternatively, how can you sway unmarried women, especially independents, but also Democrats, who may be leaning McCain-Palin?
Maybe what we really need is an unmarried presidential candidate?
De jure or at least de facto...
Hmmm......Wasn't that Bill Clinton?
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 12, 2008 2:29 PM
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On Sunday morning. it was "Face the Nation" and "Meet the Press."
Because of fact-based progressive Web sites and old fashioned print news, I no longer watch those programs for current information. Instead, I work in my garden, go swimming, see movies and generally have a fun time. Then, at night, before going to bed, I'm back on AlterNet, venting my political frustrations.
I've never been happier!
Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below
American View (My favorite Web site)
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain (self-explanatory)
Vote Vets (maintained by Iraq & Afghan war vets)
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Here's a link about it.
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Posted by: Hachino on Sep 12, 2008 3:01 PM
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Perhaps we can get Bush & Cheney to come campaign for her here so we can finally toss those traitors in the klink. Alcatraz has lots of room and I know we'd love to hold the war crimes tribunal here and host the convicted on their own private island with a stunning view and the quaint dinging of streetcars in the foggy distance. Forever.
Free of charge, our pleasure.
Maybe we can even rename it Freedom Island.
Yeah, that'll do nicely.
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Posted by: edgar1 on Sep 12, 2008 3:11 PM
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Go after Palin for her lack of experience and real executive experience, her rigidness and inabilty to compromise. The next Administration will have to do far better than Bush in cutting deals if energy and war are to be dealt with in a way a broad consensus can support. But stop the nitpicking nonsense, especially the race card.
Obama made a pathetic effort to get sympathy for being (half) black when he rambled on about not being like the "folks" on the currency. It got him nowhere. The public is looking for a competent CEO more than ideological purity or consistency with public opinion polls. Bush was an incompetent CEO, and that's why he's unpopular.
Reagan was a competent CEO and a broad spectrum of Americans including workers and Democrats liked him. Same with Clinton. Obama on the other hand really shows his lightweight status as he babbles on about billions for this program or that with no cohesive idea of how energy interacts with jobs, foreign policy, immigration or employment. He really should shut up about Palin who cut energy deals that put people to work.
People care about jobs more than polar bears, except I suppose if you live in Vermont where there arent polar bears.
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Sep 12, 2008 3:18 PM
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And this was right after 2004 election. You'd think the Democrats would have learned by now. I fucking wish people would stop dividing men and women on voting and then further dividing women on married and singles. It is nothing more than DISGUSTING and is nothing but more fodder for the rightwing !! And then you people wonder why the Democrats keep LOSING !
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Posted by: Republican4Obama! on Sep 12, 2008 3:31 PM
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Posted by: djnoll on Sep 12, 2008 4:00 PM
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ENOUGH ALREADY!
If you do not like the opinions of a specific blogger or newscaster, Heaven knows there are enough others out there to choose from, so go choose. If you like or dislike a candidate, at least find out for yourself why and be able to defend your choice with facts, not lies or innuendos or smears! It is your responsibility to find out the truth if you are going to vote for a candidate, and if you do not like that truth, do not ignore it or you place your future and that of the rest of us in jeopardy. SHARE THE TRUTH AND LET THE POLITICAL CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY!
It is time for us to take back this nation from political operatives and hacks who think we are too stupid to think for ourselves - although God Knows I am not so sure sometimes that they are not right! It is time for us to vet our candidates - warts and all - actually listen to their words and recognize who will play what role, actual role (like the President proposes, Congress disposes) in our governance, and then try to choose as wisely as you can. Become active if you must or can, but do not sit here and complain or argue with each other over trivialities. We do not as a nation or a world have the luxury of time anymore. Listen - Research - Think - Choose! And ENOUGH ALREADY WITH THE OTHER CRAP THAT IS BEING SPEWED BY EVERYONE!
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Posted by: opmoc on Sep 12, 2008 4:17 PM
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Thank You For Allowing Me To Express My Views As They Appear in My Head and End Up in My Fingers typing stuff
I mean no harm to anyone
Thank You
Love & Peace,
Tony
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Posted by: BirdGuide on Sep 12, 2008 4:26 PM
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What I don't understand is why so many other good liberals feel the need to bash him. He is not perfect. He is not my ideal candidate in every way. But I refuse to play into the hands of the right by posting stupid PUBLIC diatribes about why I should "be afraid" of Sarah Palin, or why Obama is doing "too little, too late."
Republicans have grabbed the reigns of our country for the past eight years - despite their ridiculous and harmful policies - precisely because they have formed a unified front and stayed on message.
This is not the time to vent, people. This is the time to stand together and kick some ass!!! Save your complaints for private circles. But here, in a forum that all can see, we need to be pro-Democrat, all the time.
And as for you third-party supporters, I get you. The government IS broken, and we absolutely need some new voices beyond the existing parties. But do you really believe the next logical step to get where we all need to go is to elect another friggin' Republican?!
This election is not as much about Obama as it is about the MILLIONS of people who have finally woken up and decided to speak out on behalf of our country. THAT is what I am voting for in November! And THAT is what you should support, wholeheartedly, as well.
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» DEAR Kym525. Please repost your wonderful reply to BirdGuide so Alternet readers won't miss it.
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» Thank you for the uplifting comment, BirdGuide. If I could, I'd give it a "10."
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Posted by: macdon1 on Sep 12, 2008 6:03 PM
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Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 12, 2008 6:41 PM
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Fox is a huge corporation and they need to feel a huge push-back from us---so we need as many voices as possible. Can you ask your friends and family to join our call?
Below you'll find a brief letter you can send. Personalize it as you wish or write your own, but please send it along right away. Also, please only contact people who know you personally. Spam will hurt the effort.
You can cut and paste the text below into an email message:
Dear Friends,
Right now, Fox News is trying to paint Barack Obama as foreign, un-American, suspicious, and scary. They're trying to send Americans the message that our country's first viable Black candidate for President is not "one of us."
I've joined on to ColorOfChange.org's campaign to push back on Fox, publicly demanding they stop their race-baiting and fear mongering. If that doesn't work, then we'll go to their advertisers and the FCC. I wanted to invite you to sign on as well. It takes only a moment:
http://www.colorofchange.org/foxobama/?id=2039-652685
Here's what happened recently:
After Senator Obama won the nomination, he and his wife gave each other a "pound" in front of the cameras. Fox anchor E.D. Hill called the act of celebration a "terrorist fist jab." Then last week, a Fox News on-screen graphic referred to Michelle Obama as "Obama's baby mama"--slang used to describe the unmarried mother of a man's child. It was a clear attempt to associate the Obamas with negative cultural stereotypes about Black people, an insult not only to Michelle Obama but to women and Black people everywhere.
After each of the incidents mentioned, Fox issued some form of weak apology. But what does it mean when you slap someone in the face, apologize the next day, then slap them again on the third? It means the apology is meaningless.
These aren't one-time incidents--they're part of a pattern that continues no matter how often Fox is forced to apologize. Fox has a clear record of attacking and undermining Black institutions, Black leaders, and Black people in general.
If we don't push back now, we will see more of the same from now until November. Please join me in helping to bring an end to Fox's behavior.
http://www.colorofchange.org/foxobama/?id=2039-652685
Thanks.
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Posted by: Blink on Sep 12, 2008 9:38 PM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 12, 2008 10:51 PM
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This country needs a strong 3rd party. Neither one of these two parties are worth voting for anyway.
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» THIS IS ALL BS! ! ! ! ALL OF IT!
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Sep 13, 2008 10:58 AM
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And, there's NO POWER ON EARTH that can make me vote for Sarah Palin. The stakes this time are just too high. You have a politicized US Supreme Court now ruling that patients who are injured even unto death by faulty medical devices, have no political recourse AT ALL. No lawsuits will be allowed from anyone killed by a medical device. (That's what that Medical Device Safety Act of 2008 that Joe Kennedy got out of his sickbed to vote for, repudiates.)
With that recent Supreme Court decision (Riegel vs Medtronics, 2/08/08) saying that as long as a skinned and gutted FDA (like all our Federal Agencies have been non-staffed) 'preapproves' the crap that medical device makers put out--and the FDA does preapprove all of it, that's why we in the profession call the FDA, F(E)Da (think FEMA, pre-Katrina--the Supremes insist that that pre-approval, even if only a rubber stamp, removes from patients any legal recourse at all, should a faulty device fail and kill the patient that it has been installed in. Nowadays, think STENTS. Anybody reading this have had any stents installed recently?
Charles Riegel had an automatic defibrillator from Medtronic installed, and its leads, being faulty, failed. A balloon catheterization was then attempted and the catheter's balloon BROKE while trying to push his arterial walls back. The Supreme Court sided WITH THE MANUFACTURERS. I emphasize this, because how many people are walking around with STENTS? My husband almost died--in fact had his VERY FIRST HEART ATTACK--because his Dr. installed a baremetal stent and then sent him home. Lucklly he was in Cardiac Rehab when he underwent his acute STeMI, and fifteen minutes later the faultily installed stent was being more properly seated, which ended his heart attack.
Stents, anyone? My husband (hopefully) was just lucky. He is a high-rist CAD patient who HAD NEVER HAD ANY KIND OF A HEART ATTACK BEFORE THIS BARE METAL ATROCITY WAS INSTALLED IN HIM. The Dr. said that his artery was "too small for drug-eluting stents--" (of which he so far has four, hopefully they won't undergo late-stent stenosis right away when their drugs are finished eluting
According to the Cleveland Clinic guidelines, the exact reverse is true. So Dr. Stent lied to us. I learned why when I found that stent manufacturers ARE PAYING THESE GUYS TO INSTALL STENTS IN CAD Patients. The kicker?
Anyone who needs their artery opened--NEEDS A BYPASS--not one of these deadly bandaids, whether drug-eluting or not. Eventually EVERY STENT PATIENT WILL HAVE TO UNDERGO A CABG--which now is a vastly improved and un-painful (because no cutting of the leg artern anynmore) called a Radial Arm (RA) CABG. They use the mammary or the pulmonic artery). Why not avoid the dangers of stents? Because the manufacturers want to sell more stents to Medicare--that's the only reason why.
Two things have to happen immediately: Number 1: the Senate and House have to prevail with the Medical Device Safety Act of 2008--and, Number 2: Obama MUST BECOME PRESIDENT--and the Democrats MUST WIN HUGE MAJORITIES--not just in the HOUSE, but also in the SENATE, as well as for ALL STATE GOVERNORSHIPS.
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Sep 13, 2008 11:31 AM
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So, the only recourse that most of us now living will have against faulty medical devices AND drugs (that legislation now pending in the USSC wings, set to be discussed this fall) is AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY, AS WELL AS THOSE MIGHTY DEMOCRATIC WINS, ACROSS THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.
So please, fellow Dems, don't bother about Sarah Palin. Only worry about her if every Democrat and (rightfully so, as it turns out) terrified of McSame/Palin, doesn't go to the polls this year and VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET. The stakes have never been higher, I promise you all. NEVER.
Because the new (and most lucrative) corporate battlegrounds (which most of us are completely un-aware of) are going to be; our own bodies and those of our loved ones.
Hillary has DEMANDED OF all her disappointed would-be voters--DEMANDED--that, notwithstanding how things turned out in the primaries, that we go to the polls this November, just as we would have done for her--and vote for Barack Obama to be our President. And, especially seeing what's at stake medically and health-wise--I sure will do that. I hope that the rest of us do, as well. Our vote will impact oour lives and those of our loved ones and children, for decades to come. It BETTER NOT BE, a vote for the McSame/Palin ticket.
For those of you who have had stents installed--those whose stents have malfunctioned--those who never had any symptoms (like my husband) yet were told "your artery is in bad shape and I would like to install a stent to widen it" instead of being told "you need a Coronary Bypass Artery Graft--and luckily there's a new, effective, MINIMALLY INVASIVE version of the operation, known as the Radial Artery (RA) Coronary Bypass Graft which is performed LAPAROSCOPICALLY; you'll only need a couple of weeks to recuperate from it."-- for all those people, living and dead or dying from faulty stents--I'm writing this letter for all of you. Change happens at the ballot box first of all--let's not lose any more lives to this venal and corrupt US Supreme Court. Vote for Barack Obama--or live (and die needlessly) to regret it. Thanks for your attention. The curious can email me at: jvaljon1@aol.com, and/or go to this website:
http://pharmalot.com./2008/07
And read the rest of what concerned doctors and injured patients are saying, re the "stent option". Oh yeah--some of them do work. But do you want to take the chance that you or your loved one(s) will be victimized by one that doesn't? My husband had FOUR STENTS which DID NOT cause him to have a heart attack--before his Dr. Stent gave him one that did.
My husband's going to an RA surgeon and see what his options are. Hopefully they're still the options that he should have taken when he first learned about his blocked arteries--a painless, simple, laparoscopic RA CABG graft. But he had to almost die, to get to this point. Don't let that happen to you or yours!
So. Don't worry that Hillary's not on the ticket. Vote for Barack Obama anyway (remember she SAID TO! And I can attest that she said so, rightly!)--and be grateful that we still have this once chance to conquer America's REAL enemies--the ones within--at the ballot box. We probably won't have another chance. We better take this one.
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Posted by: silver flute on Sep 13, 2008 5:16 PM
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She just cut programs for many other low income women in Alaska...OB care for low income women, funding for shelters and for food programs that women with families were using, and even made rape victums pay for their own medical exams...all while Alaska is the richest state in the country!!
This week Alaskans received an energy rebate check that Palin got the legislators to rush through, in time for the elections, that could be considered a bribe by many.This same "free money" has harmed low income seniors, disabled, and women on fixed incomes because it counts as taxable income and it raises their subsidized rent, outpacing their fixed incomes. It has put several, mostly women, in bankruptcy...something she wouldn't know about, I am sure.
Lord, help all of us if she gets to run this country....women you had better think twice. She'll walk on your backs, just like she has so many including her children...power hungry and blind to women's struggles. That is not a good mix with McCain's plans to cut Social Security and Medicare. If you don't think this is true...look at the third world conditions in Bush Alaska. She seems unaware that many Alaskans don't even have plumbing, in an area where the Big Oil companies have already found perfect technology to provide that to their workers in oil camps. Shameful!
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Posted by: msamsswan on Sep 14, 2008 10:41 AM
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I guess a child with down syndrome doesn't need the nurture of her/his mother as long as they are running for the position of vice-president.
Such Hyprocrites. Kill the animals and neglect your child and call it morally correct.
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» RE: Sarah Palin: The Animal Killer
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Posted by: GPFrank on Sep 14, 2008 2:42 PM
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The essentials of thinking in the barroom circuit who have marginal resources are these: Vote Republican because the less interference by Government, the less there is to fuck up. Taxes are the greatest cause of hardship and people who don't pay their rent and welfare queens are the cause of high taxes. Unions are
run by racketeers who take your money and if your boss didn't give you a job where would you be?
It has been my experience in small groups if this type of thinking is in majority the social pressure is menacing to any dissenter who cannot take refuge in another part of the building. The majority in such situation are types who demand that you tell them how you are voting.
Is this the average American, as complained in some of the above posts? Will the election answer this question?
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Posted by: rwfrwf on Sep 17, 2008 9:27 AM
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Think a bit.. do they REALLY want to make the tough decisions to fix the mess after messs..down to reads where FEMA still fouled it up on IKE. and let's not even discuss the nearly totally failed usa economy..and division of wealth in usa. Maybe with what R"s are doing is a bungled attempt at a Judas goat candidates which they full expected to see romped and stomped upon by D's, as they have MORE then given the clumsy and disorganized D party chance upon chance to run a wooden stake in the heart of R party. BUT the D's seem incapable. as usual of doing much other then their tried and true.. Grasp defeat from jaws of victory". God help usa as it seems the R's cannot even lose when then want to lose..or so it seems.. as R's did not run their "stars" this time and bungled every portion of it so far..yet the D's are foiling them as seems that the R's just might win.. just like before... We are desperate for a real two party system..
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Posted by: CA NOW on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 AM
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The more we learn about Palin, the more it's clear that she's bad for American women, and lots of women think so.
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Posted by: ranchero42 on Sep 12, 2008 12:09 AM
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» Also, My Calendar Is Marked for Tuesday, Nov. 4 2008
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 12, 2008 1:32 AM
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Women voters --and men as well -- need to know about every speck of dirt the media unearths on Manchurian Candidate McCain's Hockey Mom running mate.
And there will be digging -- lots of it! In the Internet age of instant communication, dirty political laundry is just as valuable as Yukon gold.
Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below
VietnamVeteransAgainstJohnMcCain.com
VoteVets.org
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» You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» Speaking of "Hugh Scott"....
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» RE: Speaking of "Hugh Scott"..[Glad to see that 'There is no such thing as bad publicity'
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» Thanks for the support, Tom. I was beginning to feel picked on. Oh, well.
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» well, Hugh
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» Tell me, LyingHeart --what flavor of GOP Kool Ade do you drink?
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» RE: Speaking of "Hugh Scott"....
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» Get REAL, LyingHeart. You've been smearing Obama on AlterNet for months!
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» RE: You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» Thanks for the support, JSquercia. I love the nickname you coined: "LyingHeart."
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» Hugh Scott - weren't you banned from Alternet?
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» Let me guess, LyingHeart -- the GOP Kool Ade you drink is called "Sour Grape."
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» RE: You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» Funny stuff, helenwheels. But I don't think LyingHeart is laughing.
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» RE: You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» RE: You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» RE: You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» Do everyone on AlterNet a favor. PussyHeart. Post your insulting comments on a GOP blog.
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» Hugh Scott
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» RE: Do everyone on AlterNet a favor. PussyHeart. Post your insulting comments on a GOP blog.
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» Dear God Lionheart....
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» foreverhope...........
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» Bullshit, LyingHeart, You have been smearing Obama for months.
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» RE: Bullshit, LyingHeart, You have been smearing Obama for months.
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» RE: Bullshit, LyingHeart, You have been smearing Obama for months.
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» Great comment, foreverhope, but I doubt LyingHeart will read it
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» Calling people "morons" like you do, LyingHeart, is one of the highest forms of mud-slinging!
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» RE: Calling people "morons" like you do, LyingHeart, is one of the highest forms of mud-slinging!
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» RE: You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» RE: You remind me of "Hugh Scott"....
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» RE: Appalling Palin has had her 15 minutes of fame. And blew all of them crying HAVOC!
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» Thanks for the support, Nightstallion. I love America. Apparently some AlterNet posters don't.
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» Two telling quotes on the news this morning
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» RE: That is easy, thistleblower, all that did was pump up his very small base...
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» You fight it with TRUTH, thistleblower. If that won't work, America is fucked!
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» Isn't this a trap?????
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» That's exactly what John Kerry thought, CatDad, when the Bushies swiftboated him in 2004.
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» RE: Appalling Palin has had her 15 minutes of fame.
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Posted by: vot on Sep 12, 2008 1:54 AM
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wake up to the fact that this "silly,phony" woman is the creation of and being used by those very same NeoCon-Israeli-Zionists that gave us GW Bush and his crazy policies.
Word has it that she is being "schooled" by this slime as another mouthpiece and water carrier-type of Bush-stooge "with which we have become quite familiar during his disastrous,
reckless presidency " !
When will the general public see thru this scam,realizing that >enough is enough< and outright reject this nut of a clueless woman >
My National Security Credentials Have To Do With Energy and What is the Job of the VP-elect
What a Comedy Show Performance !
Let`s face it,the Bottom Line actually is this:
both "clueless" Sarah and "cynical"John are
another attempt by the Republicans to steal the 2008 Election... again...>if we let them!
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» Sarah the psuedoconservative evangelical wet dream
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Posted by: LionHeart on Sep 12, 2008 2:50 AM
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And yes Obama has been at it for over a year - just a year...not much more. Nearly 1/3 of women who would have voted for Hillary is undecided and over 20% said they will vote for Palin. THAT is pretty substantial for a "hockey mom".
Can you say Vice President Palin? We might if the left doesn't wake up and stop insulting small town USA!
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» RE: Where do you live? In the REAL world.
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» Wow, thanks... I live in a small town as well.... very very rural...
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» RE: Wow, thanks... I live in a small town as well.... very very rural...
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» RE: Where do you live? In the REAL world.
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» RE: Where do you live? In the REAL world.
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» RE: Where do you live? In the REAL world. Where the majority of women are Pro-Life.
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» RE: But attacking Obama is okay?
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» We All Live On Planet Earth
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» Folks, you are wasting your time responding to LyingHeart. All he/she cares about is...
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» Hugh Scott - weren't you banned from Alternet?
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» Lionheart, do you dream about Hugh Scott?
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» RE: Where do you live?
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» RE: Where do you live?
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» I LIVE IN L.A., "Cowardly" Lion
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» RE: Where do you live?
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» I don't 'imply' things Lionheart, I say things flat out
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» I'm voting for Obama because of his keen judgement and outstanding OVER-ALL leadership abilities
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» Wisdom is a gift
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» RE: Where do you live?
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» No one on AlterNet has "insulted" Small Town USA, LyingHeart. That's a GOP talking point.
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» RE: Where do you live?
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» Dream On
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» Just where WAS the insult to small-town USA?
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Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Sep 12, 2008 2:58 AM
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Remember the 2000 or 2004 Bush maps and that part of the nation don't read the AlterNet, dont drink Starbucks (and if they do) the damm sure is not reading the New York Times. Middle America is pissed thanks to the Palin smears however it also dose not help when Obama is running against her instead of McCain.
That Northeast Beltway Education/Media Kabal can go ape s*** over Sarah Palin all they want however it will take Nov 4 for the to realize that no one is really listening.
Lucky you'll see this when the returns come in from Pennsylvania.
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Posted by: Suzon on Sep 12, 2008 3:51 AM
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Would any of that happen in a Palin administration (McCain's health is already seriously compromised)? The mindset she represents is the now familiar "we take what we want and justify it with lies".
Might a return to sanity at least begin to happen in an Obamba administration?
The cohort most likely to wreck the chance of our getting back on track is composed of the irrational third party voters. We know that Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and has had useful life experiences.
Hope is the first step on the road to recovery.
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Posted by: FMABBI on Sep 12, 2008 3:58 AM
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Our power - as middle class citizenry - is being diminished every year as we grow more and more in debt due to mortgage fiasco, credit card & student loan debts, the national debt as a whole - and our addiction of foreign oil. We're going bankrupt! Hello? Anyone out there? How can the Republicans be trusted to govern effectively after they PROVED that can't do it? The very few elite (the ones with big money) are running things and have NO INTEREST in helping the middle class. Do NOT TRUST THEM! Let's take back our country!!!!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 12, 2008 4:17 AM
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Seriously, campers! How the hell is it going to look to the rest of the world if we elevate someone who has all the gravitas of Sally Field as Gidget to be a "heartbeat away from the presidency"? We're going to look like a nation of assholes, don'cha think?!?!?!? Remember the headline in London's Daily Mirror the day after the 2004 election?
HOW CAN 59,054,087 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?
I can just picture their post Election Day headline on November 5, 2008:
WHAT, ARE THESE PEOPLE FUCKING NUTS???
Hmmm....No. Call it a wild hunch on my part, but I've got a sneaking suspician that we ought not to go down that road again.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Barack Needs Our Help
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Sep 12, 2008 4:38 AM
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This election will (and has not been) about issues. It will be about the usual wedge issues-abortion, small town values, guns, gays, innuendos, lies etc. ALL Repuke ground. The Democraps do not and will not have an answer for any of these things...as usual.
It has become increasingly clear today that a candidate for public office faces Amerikkkan voters he does not face people of sense; he faces a mob of people whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — people whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand.
So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost. All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.
The Presidency has since Reagan, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
HL Mencken said: "On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." We have obviously reached that point and are ready to continue to move in that direction-hence the explanation for Palin.
Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong.
All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them as the Repuks have done soooo effectively.
So wine all you want to, the Repukes will win this election because the Democraps cannot frame issues and deal with facts that hurt the brains of small town Amerikkka.
As for me...I will not partake in this Dog and Pony show and will vote third party for the first time in my life.
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Posted by: williameon on Sep 12, 2008 4:53 AM
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They are sinking into the Quagmire and Quick Sand of their own failed policies.
Where is the Truth?
On The FAUX Media?
That’s what they would have you believe.
We all know that’s a lie.
Where is their Vision?
In the Gutter with the rest of The Trash!
In the Past.
The Status Quo.
GREED, Lies, Spies,
DEATH and DESTRUCTION.
ALL for Me and NONE for you.
What does a Billionaire or a Gender Ringer know about your needs and problems?
Vote BUSH/Chainey/McSame out of Office.
I want Change for my Vote instead of another I.O.U.
Eleven Trillion and Counting!
What, more Tax cuts for Billionaires?
It’s Unbelievable!
Been there and done that.
They are selling the Past
We can do better!
I want New, Fresh, Exciting Ideas and Plans.
Old McCain had his chance.
He blew it when voted 95% of the time with BUSH!
It’s almost over.
LAND SLIDE!
Bush/Chainey/McSame OUT OF OFFICE!
KICK!
The Chimp
Out of
Washington
And
RESTORE the Direction our forefather’s had intended.
By bringing Obama’s Vision into The Oval Office!
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» Yea, wouldn't you love an Open Debate for a change?
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» If 3rd parties were allowed to debate the duopoly, the duopoly would be FORCED to come clean.
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» Amen. And if the duopoly came clean, no one would vote D or R
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» Thanks. I want to vote 3rd party but the way the system's rigged, I guess I"ll have to sit it out.
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 12, 2008 5:24 AM
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Unfortunately, the debates fail to meet the ideal expectations for a number of reasons but one, in particular, violates the basic principles of a fair, equitable and efficacious election process by excluding legitimate leadership candidates from the debates thus denying them visibility and credibility.
In very simple terms, the Democrats and Republicans exercise complete control over the debates through the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD)including place, timing, participation, format, questioners and frequently the questions to be posed to the candidates. There is something fundamentally undemocratic about the two leading parties, both financed by corporate money, making critical decisions about the elections that will clearly serve their own interests.
There are at least three presidential candidates from parties other than the two major parties including Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party, Ralph Nader an independent, and Bob Barr, a Libertarian. Who you say? Exactly the point in that third party candidates are trapped in a Catch-22 where they are unknown and lack credibility because they are excluded from corporate media coverage, from paid advertising due to insufficient funds, and from participation in the debates. They are excluded from the debates because the CPD created a criterion whereby parties need 15% in national polls to participate.
The criterion is flagrantly fraudulent and its only purpose is to exclude third party candidates from appearing on stage for the debates who might pose a threat to the entitled major party candidates. For example, neither Dole nor Clinton wanted to invite Ross Perot to participate in the debates in 1996. Clinton demanded his exclusion because he enjoyed a 20% lead in the polls and didn’t want anyone to change the dynamic of the race. Dole didn’t want to improve Perrot’s chances of winning more votes as it would probably be at his expense. The CPD naturally excluded him notwithstanding that he had won 19% of the popular vote in the 1992 election, received $29 million in federal funds and 75% of eligible voters polled wanted him to participate in the debates.
The CPD’s criterion is rife with flaws and exposes its real intent. A criterion based on polling results of an arbitrary 15% of how people might vote at a particular point in time in the upcoming election is inferior to a criterion based on whether they want a particular candidate to be invited to the debates. The fact that 75% of eligible voters wanted Perot to be involved in the debates is considerably more significant than a poll that reflects the lack of exposure of that candidate. The voters should decide who participates in the debates, not the leaders of the two major parties.
Another fair and equitable criterion would be to allow any
