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Weird Theology in Wasilla: A Look Inside Sarah Palin's Pentecostal Church
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Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world.
Along with her entire family, Sarah Palin was re-baptized at twelve at the Wasilla Assembly of God in Wasilla, Alaska and she attended the church from the time she was ten until 2002: over two and 1/2 decades. Sarah Palin's extensive pattern of association with the Wasilla Assembly of God has continued nearly up to the day she was picked by Senator John McCain as a vice-presidential running mate.
Palin's dedication to the Wasilla church is indicated by a Saturday, September 7, 2008, McClatchy news service story detailing possibly improper use of state travel funds by Palin for a trip she made to Wasilla, Alaska to attend, on June 8, 2008, both a Wasilla Assembly of God "Masters Commission" graduation ceremony and also a multi-church Wasilla area event known as "One Lord Sunday."
At the latter event, Palin and Alaska LT Governor Scott Parnell were publicly blessed, onstage before an estimated crowd of 6,000, through the "laying on of hands" by Wasilla Assembly of God's Head Pastor Ed Kalnins whose sermons espouse such theological concepts as the possession of geographic territories by demonic spirits and the inter-generational transmission of family "curses". Palin has also been blessed, or "anointed", by an African cleric, prominent in the Third Wave movement, who has repeatedly visited the Wasilla Assembly of God and claims to have effected positive, dramatic social change in a Kenyan town by driving out a "spirit of witchcraft."
The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both Third Wave activities and theology. Their Master's Commission program is part of an three year post-high school international training program with studies in prophecy, intercessory prayer, Biblical exegesis, authority and leadership.
Watch Bruce Wilson's video documentary detailing the extreme Religious Right connections to the Wasilla Assembly of God church, "Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave":
The pastor, Ed Kalnins, and Masters Commission students have traveled to South Carolina to participate in a "prophetic conference" at Morningstar Ministries, one of the major ministries of the Third Wave movement. Becky Fischer was a pastor at Morningstar prior to being featured in the movie "Jesus Camp." The head of prophecy at Morningstar, Steve Thompson, is currently scheduled to do a prophecy seminar at the Wasilla Assembly of God. Other major leaders in the movement have also traveled to Wasilla to visit and speak at the church.
The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form "Joel's Army" to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God.
While segments of this belief system have been a part of Pentecostalism and charismatic beliefs for decades, the excesses of this movement were declared a heresy in 1949 by the General Council of the Assemblies of God, and again condemned through Resolution 16 in 2000.
The beliefs and manifestations of the movement include the use of 'strategic level spiritual warfare' to expel territorial demons from American and world cities. Worship includes excessive charismatic manifestations such as hundreds of people falling, 'slain in the spirit,' and congregations laughing, jerking, and shrieking uncontrollably.
In early 2008 an outbreak of those phenomena commenced at the palatial former ministry estate of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, recently bought up and restored by prominent Third Wave author and leader Rick Joyner's Morningstar Ministries. The (spiritual) "breakout" lasted for many weeks and was publicized in an extensive collection of video footage available on YouTube. Healing services in the Third Wave movement claim to heal the sick and injured through methods that in some cases can appear bizarre - including, as in recent cases involving Todd Bentley, the patient being head butted or kicked by the anointed healer. Recipients of such "spiritual" or miraculous healing make a wide range of astonishing claims - to have been cured of life-threatening illnesses, had joints repaired or replaced, been given gold teeth or gold fillings, regrown stunted limbs and even had deformed skeletal structures straightened and reshaped. Worldwide mission efforts of the movement are built around the idea of combating witches, warlocks, and generational curses, which prevent churches from being able to take root.
Mike Rose, senior pastor of Juneau Christian Center has a long relationship with Rodney Howard-Browne, credited with being the instigator of the outbreak of 'Holy Laughter' around the world, including the Toronto Airport Revival. Thomas Muthee visited Wasilla Assembly of God and gave 10 consecutive sermons at the church, from October 11-16 2005. As both Palin and Wasilla AoG Head Pastor Ed Kalnins have attested, Thomas Muthee 'prayed over' Sarah Palin and entreated God to "make a way" prior to Palin's successful bid for the Alaska governorship. Muthee made a return visit to the Wasilla Assembly of God in late 2008. Thomas Muthee's Word of Faith Church is featured in the "Transformations" video which details an account on how Muthee drove "the spirit of witchcraft" out of Kiambu, Kenya, liberating the town from its territorial demonic possession and enabling a miraculous societal transformation. The "Transformations" video set is used as an argument for social improvement through spiritual instead of human means, and as the best method for fighting corruption, crime, drugs and even environmental degradation.
In the video, producer George Otis declares that after Thomas Muthee and his followers banished the "spirit of witchcraft" from the town, the crime rate in Kiambu dropped almost to zero, along with the rate of alcoholism, and according to Otis most of the residents of the town joined churches. The "Transformations" video has helped spark a network of 'Transformation' ministries and mission organizations and 'transformation' has become a buzz word for change based on supernatural instead of human efforts.
The Third Wave, also known as the New Apostolic Reformation, is a network of Apostles, many of them grouped around C. Peter Wagner, founder of the World Prayer Center. This center, which was built in coordination with Ted Haggard and his New Life Church in Colorado Springs, was featured in an article by Jeff Sharlet in Harpers, May 2005, "Soldiers of Christ." Sharlet was one of the first to write in the secular press about the World Prayer Center which is often referred to by those familiar with the Third Wave as the 'Pentagon for Spiritual Warfare.' It features computer systems that store the data of communities around the world, mapping out unsaved peoples' groups and spiritual mapping information for spiritual warfare. Wagner has his own group of about 500 Apostles in his council and each of these Apostles has ministries under their authority, sometimes hundreds or thousands. Recently various networks of Apostles came together to form the Revival Alliance. Leaders of the Revival Alliance including Rick Joyner of Morningstar anointed Todd Bentley whose Lakeland Healing Revival has recently been a controversial topic in the Evangelical world.
Wagner's top leaders often conduct spiritual warfare campaigns against the demons that block the acceptance of their brand of Christian belief, such as 'Operation Ice Castle' in the Himalayas in 1997. Several of their top prophets and generals of intercession spent weeks in intensive prayer to "confront the Queen of Heaven." This queen is considered by them to be one of the most powerful demons over the earth and is the Great Harlot of Mystery Babylon in Revelation. (The "Great Harlot [or 'whore'] of Mystery Babylon" theme also figures prominently in the sermons of Texas megachurch pastor and Christians United For Israel founder John Hagee, former endorser of John McCain's 2008 presidential bid.) Wagner and his group also claim that the Queen of Heaven is Diana, the pagan god of the biblical book Ephesians and the god of Mary veneration in the Roman Catholic Church. Following the 'Operation Ice Castle' prayer excursion which included planting a flag for Jesus on Mt. Everest, one of the lead prayer intercessors from the excursion, Ana Mendez, reported that there had been dramatic results including, "millions have come to faith in Asia... and other things happened which I believe are also connected...an earthquake had destroyed the basilica of Assisi, where the Pope had called a meeting of all world religions; a hurricane destroyed the infamous temple 'Baal-Christ' in Acapulco, Mexico; the Princes Diana died... and Mother Theresa died in India, one of the most famous advocates of Mary as Co-Redeemer."
Church of the Rock, led by Senior Pastor David Pepper, has taken their youth to participate in 'The Call, Nashville.' This event is held at various locations around the country under the leadership of Lou Engle, also featured in the movie "Jesus Camp." At these events youth are worked into a frenzy of anger and consternation at supposed national moral corruption. Engle, who shuffles while he preaches in imitation of Jewish prayer, is featured toward the end of the "Jesus Camp" video documentary.
The Third Wave movement is cross-denomination and is not synonymous with any specific denomination, nor is it synonymous with Evangelical or Fundamentalist. Although the movement emerged from Pentecostalism, it draws its support from a variety of denominations and religious streams. They believe they are forming a post-denominational church to take the world for the end times. To date, all of the writing and objections to this movement have emerged from other Evangelicals and Fundamentalists who believe the movement to be unbiblical. Also, it is other conservative churches that refuse to embrace the 'outpouring of the Spirit' that are targets of much of the anger of the movement.
You can find more information on the Third Wave movement and additional links to the activities of Palin's churches on www.Talk2action.org in the following articles:
Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave, Part One
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/0244/84583
Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave, Part Two with embedded video:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/03830/11602
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1Eit0pxM
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Posted by: teel on Sep 8, 2008 12:26 AM
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You have a choice america, you can teach kids to question authority, to use common sense and to love or you can replace all that with the nonsense spouting anger and fear mongering "clergy" with their god talk.
When fear is the driving force behind a belief system you don't need anything more then common sense to dismiss it for what it is. Utter lies targeting the weak and needy.
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Posted by: Ike Solem on Sep 8, 2008 12:56 AM
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Sarah Palin: "Pipeline & Iraq War -- Tasks From God" (1 Min)
Tasks from British Petroleum or Exxon or Shell or Conoco might be bit closer to the truth.
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Posted by: writerman on Sep 8, 2008 1:53 AM
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I believe this is a fundamental mistake. Look at Sarah Palin, she is a product of the religious/politcal extremism and she is moving closer and closer to real power in our society.
I think she is the acceptable face of American religious/political fascism.
One needs to take these people very seriously indeed. The last time a cult/movement like this gain power in a country was in Germany and their leader was another hero/saviour, his name was Adolf Hitler. This is the territory we are entering.
Whilst the hypocrites at the top of the Republican party may think they cynically manipulate and use these people, I believe they are wrong. Giving christo/fascists fast-track to political power, is not only sign of desparation, but a very dangerous and reckless gamble.
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Sep 8, 2008 2:02 AM
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First, most people in Africa operate with what I would call a 'mystical' view of the world. By this I mean that physical conditions like poverty, illness, political power, etc., are understood to be the result of events in the spiritual world. A traditional spiritual-expert was/is thought to have either special access or special skill in dealing with the spiritual world. (Different cultural communities vary a bit on whether it is through possession by spirits that one can have access to the spiritual world and thus communicate with spirits and possibly manipulate it, or whether one can learn skills that enable the 'doctor' to manipulate the spiritual world.) The spiritual world can be manipulated for good or for evil. When it is manipulated for evil, then the spiritual-expert may be a 'witch', though not every society has a different word for the good and the bad spiritual-expert. See Worlds of Power by Stephen Ellis and Gerrie Ter Haar for a good account of this cultural viewpoint.
African Pentecostals like Muthee attempt to engage this spiritual world from the traditional mystical worldview. They, however, do not use the traditional means of the spiritual-experts, but employ the symbols and metaphors and beliefs of Pentecostal Christianity. See African Pentecostalism by Ogbu Kalu for an excellent discussion of this.
African Pentecostals like Muthee then associate with American and European Pentecostals because they use similar symbols and metaphors to engage with each one's respective understanding of the world. There remain though very important differences between them. African Pentecostals are not dominionists like their American counterparts at Palin's church in Alaska. There interests are much less political than religious. African Pentecostals also associate with American and European Pentecostals, because they get financing from them to either live well in Africa (true for some, but not all) or finance their Christian ministry in Africa.
Second, more specifically about Kiambu. I live in Kenya, and I can guarantee that Kiambu is not a crime-free zone. In fact, the notorious Mungiki sect has a rather strong hold over this village. Mungiki is a religious/mafia-type group that has combined traditional African religious beliefs with gangsterism to raise funds. I guess their spiritual warfare didn't really work.
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Posted by: brer on Sep 8, 2008 4:25 AM
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Never mind that his pastor was speaking the truth--taken out of context making them sound more weird than they were.
Palin's religion is truly dangerous, as so many life plans are based on the end of the world view. Very scary in a Veep, with the potential of becoming president and making decisions for the whole world..
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Posted by: Elmowilcox on Sep 8, 2008 4:35 AM
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No coverage is bad coverage.
McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin
Then when the masses go to the voting booths that are flawed to begin with..they're going to remember McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin
Keep on spending more time talking about how bad we already know someone is, and less talking about who we want elected...and see what it gets us.
I tried it with Bush TWICE and everyone voted for him anyfuckinway.
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» oh and keep it up...
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Posted by: Shey on Sep 8, 2008 4:42 AM
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There has got to be a way for the Democrats to get this kind of terrifying information out to the general public, without leaving themselves open to charges of religious bigotry or some such bogus claim.
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» In this case, most Pentecostal churches are, too
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Posted by: PaulK on Sep 8, 2008 4:57 AM
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So then the new Governor Palin supported the bridge to nowhere until Congress killed the pork, except she still got the $200+ million in pork money and appropriated it elsewhere. In general, Governor Palin is assumed to be neck-deep in Alaskan Republican pork politics.
And then the state legislature had to appoint a special investigator.
Maybe the African cleric had an off day or something. Maybe somehow he unloaded all the crime from his entire African village onto the first available gullible Yankee.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 8, 2008 4:59 AM
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Flag = McDrill
Bible = Palin
After being attacked by fanatical Muslims, our lower-than-average rural voters are shitting their pants that their farm road address will receive a package bomb, or an envelope of anthrax. They're so busy being terrified of Jesus they actually think THEY are being targeted.
Those of us who live in cities are not scared at all - yet WE'RE the ones who would be targeted, not the Wal-Mart NASCAR family.
Why is that?
I know far too many people who live in TX. They're part of this crowd. Rural, home-schooled people are busy being totally sucked into mythology while city dwellers are busy getting about with their lives. City dwellers have a lot more variety in their lives. Their sources of information are broader and the diversity of opinions they hear from is greater than rural people's.
Rural folk have far less on their agenda other than the riding mower with beer in hand, insulting people who have a degree, and finding ways to further mix Jesus Camp with the State.
The complete insult to intelligence that rural voters demand we pay attention to is appalling. Right this second they are literally demanding that we WORSHIP McCain who graduated at the bottom of his class AND his political pick who attended 6 colleges in 6 years with a degree in journalism.
VS... now get this. This is rich:
A Harvard grad who graduated magna cum laude and a true statesman.
Yep, rural voters are DEMANDING that a low intelligence is absolutely necessary to a successfully run country.
This proves two points to me. 1. The US education system couldn't possibly be the envy of the world because not enough Americans are going to our schools and getting a good education and 2. Religious voters have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that rational thought is not to be trusted, an education is suspect, and the only thing that will be useful in government are the stupidest people they can find.
This also proves to the nation that the more religious you are the more dangerous you are. It proves it. More religious = more likely to join the military. More religious = more likely to adhere to a violent religious philosophy.
Let's see. How religious were those 19 hijackers? They were REAL religious. They were fanatical enough to DIE for their beliefs. The only difference between Muslim fanatics and Christian ones is this: Muslim fanatics will die for their religion. Christian fanatics will kill YOU for their religion.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 8, 2008 5:06 AM
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When outsiders criticize "evangelicals," all of them will rally together, regardless of their disagreements amongst themselves. It is vital that a non-Pentecostal evangelical Christian with clout (e.g., Rick Warren) step forward and alert other evangelicals that Palin is part of the Toronto Blessing movement (I think they call it "Word-Faith" or "Name It and Claim It theology" these days) and that she poses a grave threat not only to the country or even life on earth, but to the Church as well.
To all Obama campaigners - take what I wrote to heart. Find that courageous non-Pentecostal evangelical preacher who is afraid of Palin's theology and lobby him to speak out on this. I am truly afraid of Palin becoming president (I suspect that those who put her forward for VP may very well intend to remove John McCain two or three years into the presidency so their stooge will be president); a Palin presidency will surely be an economical and ecological disaster from which not just the US, but the entire world will never recover. Millions may die as the result of this one mean, unintelligent woman. The non-Pentecostal evangelicals can no longer sit back, play church, and avoid politics - they must step forward and simply speak aloud in the public square what they say about Pentecostals within their own churches.
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Posted by: Bastet62 on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 AM
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So I'm just assuming here, but does this mean the books Palin tried to ban from the Wasilla library were the Harry Potter books?
OMG - these people should frighten every rational person.
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Posted by: loxias on Sep 8, 2008 6:00 AM
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What about having your phones and email and web history sold to like-minded organizations who don't want non-members getting good jobs, or getting a reasonable loan?
What if it means a different tax bracket? Will you let your children suffer in order to stand up for freedom of religion?
When Inquisitor Palin puts the first glowing rod to your feet, chanting "this world has nothing for you," what will you do?
Apparently we don't need Martin Luther King. We have reverted to needed Martin Luther...
Yeah that's right! WWMLD? lol
My sub-headline?
Why is Fannie May and Freddie Mac being nationalized Sunday not in todays local paper, or NYT, or alternet, or Ma Jones, etc etc...
Maybe they could have saved us from Wasilla?
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Posted by: bloominblacksheep on Sep 8, 2008 6:13 AM
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Poor woman---I doubt if she ever looked at the books they wanted to "ban" in Wasilla! Fortunately, the brave longtime librarian refused, although Palin threatened to fire her (and many other Town employees); there was an uproar, and the Town threatened a recall!
Finally an Administrator was appointed to "govern" in her place! (Some "experience"!)
This is what I have read, anyway. Perhaps some of it is "story" and may be somewhat questionable, but the sources are from articles and interviews of people who have lived in Wasilla. (They certainly are more likely to be true than the obvious "community organizer" misinterpretations and lies Palin was spouting about Barack Obama the other night as she spoke at the Republican Convention and on the Campaign Trail. Obviously, handlers were careful to be sure she remained ignorant of Obama's true history and resume, although the "truth" does not appear to be a strong suite when this supposedly fervently "religious" woman is in hot pursuit of a goal! Has anyone noticed that moral and ethical rules long recognized seem to go out the window for these "religious" actors? (But then, is that really new?)
She clearly had never read "Dreams From My Father" where Obama details working for 10K a year in the South Side neighborhood for the people of one of Chicago's most neglected neighborhoods...He seems to have done a lot more good there than she ever did in Wasilla with her big box stores and her large sports complex. I have to ask, Who was following the words of Jesus more---Sarah and her Big Box stores, or Barack and his "Community Organizing" that she mocked, in the poor inner city neighborhoods, where the bullets were sometimes flying? Sarah, ordering the shooting of wolves and their cubs from helicopters (and bears, too?) ot Barack, who was teaching Civil Rights Law and practicing as a Civil Rights lawyer (which Sarah never bothered to mention when she said he had no resume?)
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 8, 2008 6:14 AM
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The very thought that these extreme beliefs would be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office is truly a frightening thought.
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Posted by: HPipe on Sep 8, 2008 6:26 AM
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AGE OF REASON by Thomas Paine must become required reading in all of our public schools. The basis of our democracy as designed by Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Paine and others needs to become the major focus of study of American Youth. Our Freedom-Our Democracy is being threatened by religious fascists. It is time for freedom loving Americans to realize who are our real enemies. These people have a virulent gut hatred of FREEDOM and our BILL OF RIGHTS and will do all in their power to destroy them.
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Posted by: aceriter on Sep 8, 2008 6:27 AM
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And why is it that those who never attend any church are always the first ones to scream about the beliefs of someone else?
I do not agree with the doctrines of Palin's church, but then, neither do I agree with the Catholic Church, or Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Seventh Day Adventists,or Jews, etc. So does this mean that none of these people have the right to be Vice President just because I feel their religious beliefs are whacky?
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 8, 2008 6:44 AM
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Gosh, I wonder what the "evil" is that they plan to smite hip and thigh? Let me guess: gays, liberals, humanists, Jews (those who haven't converted), Muslims, feminists, abortion doctors, sex researchers, free thinkers. (I suppose there are others that make the list.) Since I am already three of the above, I don't suppose I'll be one to survive.
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Posted by: Israel on Sep 8, 2008 6:45 AM
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Posted by: grindermonkey on Sep 8, 2008 6:58 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWUZ4dsUXaw&feature=related
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Posted by: Israel on Sep 8, 2008 7:28 AM
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Great shot of Palin in American Flag Bikini brandishing an AK47!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2uGDKlhtLE
Sarah’s church supports anti Jewish group! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uz_nPFfjYo
The actual video of McCain’s call to Palin for VP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc
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Posted by: aristopus on Sep 8, 2008 7:40 AM
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 8, 2008 7:56 AM
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So listen up, all you young Jewish guys out there! Beware that Gentile honey who is winking at you from across the room! She is just an agent of the devil who is trying to prevent the fullfillment of Prophecy!
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Posted by: iamjmbb on Sep 8, 2008 8:24 AM
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Palin also represents a group which will do violence to achieve their goal.... For instance, bombing abortion clinics! Now, McCain is old, but he may not croak quickly enough! Do you think that these people being that close to having real power wouldn't at least consider it? Not to mention that they have a great number of certifiable whackos they can count on to be whacky!
These people are ruthless in carrying out god's will...as they perceive god's will!! ..Watch Palin's speech again....the ruthless snide self righteous delusional contempt! Add to that, her history of how she deals with opponents, or people who simply don't kowtow to her! One of their own next in line! ..look out Muslims, Pagans, Jews ...anyone not THEM!
I can imagine Pat Robertson doing a reprise of TAKE HIM OUT!! ...RUTHLESS!!!
Bush has been disastrous!
McCain likely would be worse!?
Palin would be a nightmare!
Imagine looking back at the Bush regime years as THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!
We should at least consider the possibilities and possible scenarios. This may be their one shot they ever have at acquiring REAL POWER!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds nasty, but we should at least THINK ABOUT IT! ...SOMEONE WILL BE!!!!
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Sep 8, 2008 8:28 AM
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Posted by: keenekarl on Sep 8, 2008 8:28 AM
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This is something that was predicted 120 years ago in the book "The Great Controversy" by Seventh-day Adventist founder Ellen G. White. She wrote:
"Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected." (The Great Controversy, page 592)
If you are interested in reading more, here's a link to the book: http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc.html
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Posted by: dannynono on Sep 8, 2008 8:36 AM
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I'm afraid these churches are very common. Yes one can move on from these beliefs, but I think Palin's a little too incurious/ignorant and entrenched in these myths to move beyond them so quickly and easily.
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Posted by: Julie428 on Sep 8, 2008 8:38 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Sep 8, 2008 8:38 AM
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Will she, with her new-found power if McCain passes away, start a nuclear war to bring about the Rapture?
This worry of mine might seem like the rantings of a lunatic to those who don't know Sarah Palin. But, as we should all know by now, these concerns are VERY well-founded indeed.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 8, 2008 8:47 AM
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I'd prefer to save McCain's life by ensuring that he never becomes president. The MSM is clearly on McCain's side, and will put McCain in office. Even if McCain loses the popular vote by a few percent, a combination of electoral college and voting-machine hijinks will ensure he gets the office long enough to warm the chair before keeling over. Since a Palin administration will likely be the end of all life on earth, this must not happen.
All previous elections, Democrats have barely fought back, tried to appear gentlemanly and intellectual while the Repubs callously appeal to those with lower IQs through gross displays of resentment, hate, anger, and now racism. The results are always the same.
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Posted by: BayAreaVoter on Sep 8, 2008 8:49 AM
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But if you want to talk about religion I am perfectly happy to finally examine Obama's church where he sat for 20 years--full of anti-white, anti-Semitic, anti-American drivel. Barack denouncing his mentor, Rev Wright, this year--now there's change you can believe in.
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Posted by: DragonOak on Sep 8, 2008 9:21 AM
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These people are domestic terrorists that will use any means necessary to get there message across.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 8, 2008 9:39 AM
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and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.
ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 8, 2008 9:51 AM
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The truth about religion can be found in these books:
"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"
"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"
"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"
"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."
"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."
Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.
"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger. Scientific proof that god does
not exist.
"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."
"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.
"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.
"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/
"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris
"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.
"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?
"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith
"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007
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Posted by: hollymoodyb on Sep 8, 2008 10:01 AM
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Republicans have been trying to force us into their beliefs for years. Anybody remember John Ashcroft? The Penecostal Senator from Missouri who lost to a DEAD MAN? He ended up as Attorney General, and made a fool of himself! Remember the "statue" incident? We must properly clothe those that stand up for justice.
Ashcroft couldn't be trusted to do abide by the constitution because of his strong religious beliefs, and neither can Sarah Palin. If she ended up President by some horrible situation, we would all be in trouble.
Religion tries to make every issue in our lives black and white; there is a right or wrong answer--end of story. Government is just the opposite; everything is shaded in grey. The key is to figure out the best solution to the problems, not how to appease any particular group of people.
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Posted by: Gisele on Sep 8, 2008 10:21 AM
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"God told us to declare war on Iraq." You're lying.
Go back to your Bible, go find the 10 commandments you think everyone should live by, and tell me what the 3rd one is: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
That means don't use His name for evil or wrongful purposes, so how do you think He feels about being asked to bless the war in Iraq? ESPECIALLY when you now know the entire war was built on lies? Yet you continue to ignore that little fact, and keep on keep'n on. The million or so Iraqi's now laying in their graves also believed in God, people who believe in God are supposed to be brethren are they not? Mankind is ONE race, we are ALL related. So why have you slaughtered your brothers and sisters?
Let's take a look at number six: You shall not commit murder.
Someone said "war is hell"...close...war is murder. Pure and simple. Yet you're asking God to bless your efforts to commit murder. Talk about BLASPHEMY! And what do we know about blasphemy? Well..it's the ONLY sin that will NOT be forgiven. Period. Had Adolph Hitler truly repented, he would have been forgiven. So would the perpetrators of the inquisitions...give you any idea how serious blasphemy must be? Better be careful what you ask His blessing on, and why.
Now how about the 9th: Do not accuse anyone falsely.
I'd say the republican ticket has blown that one sky high! They're working on it daily, and they're doing it KNOWING they're lying! Then on whichever day of the week suits them best, they go to church to see and be seen. Such wonderful religionists they are! Good thing inert objects can't be defiled, or those buildings would weep.
Are you sure this is the kind of people you want running your country? You want blessings laid on people who "profess" to be Christian, while serving their own interests exclusively. WAKE UP! Some poor farmers sheep is missing his skin, and it's hanging on their backs.
If there happens to be a religious leader from any denomination reading this, who is also involved in the election process going on down there right now in any way...I have a message: DECIDE WHO YOU WILL SERVE. THEN SERVE THAT ONE. You can't have it both ways no matter how good it might look to you now, for you will love the one - and hate the other - and yes, this is meant to prick your conscience. You do your job, and allow the politicians to do theirs. God hates politics. Please pass that on.
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Posted by: DCFiji on Sep 8, 2008 12:44 PM
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After all, this is war, and the enemy deserves to be maligned and de-humanized (“Nazi Krauts,” “sneaky Japs,” “godless Gooks,” … “liberal Democrats,” “right-wing Republicans”). That way, we can hatefully “fight to the death” with justifiably seared consciences. But wait, what about when the war is over? American history suggests that veterans work sacrificially to forgive, make amends, and reconcile.
I can’t help but wonder about Rodney King’s pitiful question: “Can’t we all get along?”
But I wonder how this nation can come together and get along when we are so prone to polarization. We prefer to bitterly view opposing positions as blatantly “wrong,” and never simply “different.” Both presidential candidates talk about reaching across the aisle to seek bipartisan solutions after the election. …Good luck!
The “right-wing” media jumped on the out-of-context quote from Obama’s former pastor to help us realize how “evil” both of them were. (The fact that the Bible has many examples of God cursing or judging those who abuse the weak and victimize the poor should not be considered by those who prefer not to try to understand but rather attack and judge “liberation theology.”)
You know what, Rev. Wright, we don’t need God to “damn” or curse America; we are quite good at doing it by ourselves as we promote hatred and condemnation.
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Posted by: TiredoftheLies on Sep 8, 2008 1:04 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1Eit0pxM
http://www.believershome.com/html
/pentecostal__charismatic__thir.html
http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain11.htm
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/8/114332/7479
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Posted by: DCFiji on Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM
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I would appreciate reading your reactions to this linked article on the background and dreams of Barack Obama, considered by another author as frighteningly weird as those expressed by Bruce in this Palin article.
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Thank you in advance for your replies.
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Posted by: loxias on Sep 8, 2008 4:11 PM
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Are you aware of her relationship with oil companies? Are you ready to hand Alaska over to itself; nukes, oilfields, gas, minerals and all? Who's next? The Nation Of Iowa demands a $3 tribute to be added to each gallon of biodiesel.
That is NOT a typical black church, or any church, belief. That is a political belief that has nothing to do with majority rule or democracy, and has already sent our nation through a horrible civil war. That belief is mixed into the church's message by those who wish to profit from it, be assured.
If you elect someone who can "tell you God's will for you," you have effectively sold your freedom.
I hope that you wake up to the absolute core reason that church and state have been separated in the first place.
What if God demands tribute? What if God wakes them up with a dream of our country being bombed, and they interpret that as God's will for them to bring about? What if God demands your children to be sent to indoctrination camps. What if God wills that the Supreme Court, even in its conservatism, is not devout and must be removed or disarmed? Do I need to go on?
This nation was founded on the escape from tyranny of monarchs who demanded tribute, and told you where to go to church!
I know schools suck, and most people are morons, but did you really not know that?
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Posted by: greatdanes on Sep 8, 2008 6:23 PM
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All of the Comments below are Voices of Intolerance of another's Religion.
NICE People and you Call Yourselves ..."Democrats".
I really feel sorry for you for not believing in GOD. What Empty Shells you are and "lost Souls". Their's Nothing Wrong with Sarah Palin's Church even though it's Different than mine. GOD is the Common denominator.
WHY DO YOU FEAR GOD ???
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Posted by: mdwoade on Sep 8, 2008 8:12 PM
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I personally think the more attention you pay to Sarah Palin and her non-mainstream views, the more you help the McCain campaign distract people from the race between John McCain and Barack Obama. It is part of the strategy to confuse the voters, and we all seem to all into that trap.
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Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Sep 8, 2008 9:24 PM
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Sep 8, 2008 9:36 PM
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Posted by: politicky on Sep 8, 2008 10:16 PM
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Sep 8, 2008 10:24 PM
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I can't imagine the mental contortions one would have to go through to arrive at a reason for deciding that the mother of Jesus (who is supposedly what their religion is all about)is an evil creature.
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Posted by: two on Sep 8, 2008 10:50 PM
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Posted by: aussidawg on Sep 8, 2008 11:21 PM
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Posted by: jimidee on Sep 9, 2008 5:57 AM
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I really think that Sarah Palin's church women could be having sex with snakes and the MSM would not cover it. It does not seem to make any difference what is reported these days since the majority of Americans are not even following the election that close...like the McCain campaign manager said, and a paraphrase here, this election will not be decided on the issues, but on personalities.
That is the real shame here, because once again the uninformed church goers will vote against their own self-interest based on faulty gut feelings. The Republicans have this manipulation of the slackers process down to an art form.
The rest of us who have taken the time to inform ourselves, and the rest of the world, watch in horror. We flop around like a fish out of water in desperate frustration, gulping for air.
I watched Barack Obama on Countdown last night as he still refuses to get down and dirty with these people, choosing the high road which leads to the same place that it did in 2000 and 2004...the land of defeat.
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Posted by: bettyn on Sep 9, 2008 1:57 PM
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A card-carrying religious fascist with a goddess complex: Just what we need at this point in our nation's history. This is a NIGHTMARE WAITING TO HAPPEN! I know all about this cult she belongs to. A close childhood friend's mother was part of this. It is scary and it's spreading very fast.
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Posted by: TM303 on Sep 10, 2008 2:08 AM
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You don't have to be a right wing fundamentalist to be a Christian.
Listen to my man Merton:
[a]s might be expected, the moral theology of the devil grants an altogether unusual amount of importance to … the devil. Indeed one soon comes to find out that he is the very center of the whole system. That he is behind everything. That he is moving everybody in the world except ourselves. That he is out to get even with us. And that there is every chance of hi doing so because, it now appears, his power is equal to that of God, or even perhaps superior to it …
In one word, the theology of the devil is purely and simply that the devil is god.
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Posted by: jeffreytaos on Sep 10, 2008 2:35 AM
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Posted by: Angela Flynn on Sep 10, 2008 9:22 AM
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http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/kenya_39054.html
NAIROBI, Kenya, 13 March 2007 –
...But when, last week, he set foot on Kenyan soil on his first trip as a regional ambassador, little of what he had seen and experienced as a child could have prepared him. In Kiambu, a coffee-growing district in central Kenya, Zola was reduced to tears by gut-wrenching tales of rape and betrayal narrated by children as young as six at a local primary school.
“No one cares for us,” the children sang. “We are raped, sodomized and destroyed by people who should be protecting us. We don’t know what the future holds for us. Only God knows.”...
This article claims rape and murder are unheard of in Kiambu. I guess if you turn a blind eye and deaf ear...
http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/part4/kenya.htm
The Power of Prayer over Witchcraft
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Posted by: babs on Sep 10, 2008 11:20 AM
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holy dumb and dumber, Batman! I didn't think it could get any stupider in America - Palin is a gender traitor - just ask any legit women's org.
Americans are going to have to dig a deep hole to put the bar any lower than it is now. Forget what a lost cause McSame is, Palin is under investigation for ethics violations (trust Repubs to find someone who is a law-breaker and corruption specialist - woohoo). That this phony hypocrite broodmare is getting the GOP excited says it all.
Worse than the W years? Didn't think it could happen - not ever. But it could and it will spell the end of mighty America - or what's left of it.
The movie "Idiocracy" is not so far fetched any more. Be afraid.
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Posted by: nltisme on Sep 10, 2008 6:21 PM
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Posted by: teastaigh on Sep 11, 2008 8:33 PM
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1.) The fact that her branch of evangelical, fundamentalist Christianity calls for a reversal of women's suffrage as women's votes are "already included in their husband's votes";
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2.) Cohersion and mandates to parents that they not allow their daughters to be college educated.
This is just one very popular site for evangelicals which advocates the complete subjugation, legal and otherwise, of women to men:
www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp
Palin has attended many of Doug Philips' "Vision
Forums." She has been photographed with him.
Review her Texas "state-sponsored" trips.
Why would ANY woman vote for this woman?
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Posted by: DaBear on Sep 12, 2008 11:04 AM
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The unnerving thing is, none of Palin's church shit is abnormal... statistics be damned, this is mainstream 'Merkaaner white supremacist shit and they show up and vote.
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Posted by: aceriter on Sep 14, 2008 1:04 PM
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Posted by: darling975 on Sep 28, 2008 8:14 PM
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Posted by: teel on Sep 8, 2008 12:26 AM
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You have a choice america, you can teach kids to question authority, to use common sense and to love or you can replace all that with the nonsense spouting anger and fear mongering "clergy" with their god talk.
When fear is the driving force behind a belief system you don't need anything more then common sense to dismiss it for what it is. Utter lies targeting the weak and needy.
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Posted by: ranchero42 on Sep 8, 2008 12:37 AM
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Posted by: Ike Solem on Sep 8, 2008 12:56 AM
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Sarah Palin: "Pipeline & Iraq War -- Tasks From God" (1 Min)
Tasks from British Petroleum or Exxon or Shell or Conoco might be bit closer to the truth.
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Posted by: AmericanUSA on Sep 8, 2008 1:39 AM
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 8, 2008 1:51 AM
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Posted by: writerman on Sep 8, 2008 1:53 AM
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I believe this is a fundamental mistake. Look at Sarah Palin, she is a product of the religious/politcal extremism and she is moving closer and closer to real power in our society.
I think she is the acceptable face of American religious/political fascism.
One needs to take these people very seriously indeed. The last time a cult/movement like this gain power in a country was in Germany and their leader was another hero/saviour, his name was Adolf Hitler. This is the territory we are entering.
Whilst the hypocrites at the top of the Republican party may think they cynically manipulate and use these people, I believe they are wrong. Giving christo/fascists fast-track to political power, is not only sign of desparation, but a very dangerous and reckless gamble.
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Sep 8, 2008 2:02 AM
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First, most people in Africa operate with what I would call a 'mystical' view of the world. By this I mean that physical conditions like poverty, illness, political power, etc., are understood to be the result of events in the spiritual world. A traditional spiritual-expert was/is thought to have either special access or special skill in dealing with the spiritual world. (Different cultural communities vary a bit on whether it is through possession by spirits that one can have access to the spiritual world and thus communicate with spirits and possibly manipulate it, or whether one can learn skills that enable the 'doctor' to manipulate the spiritual world.) The spiritual world can be manipulated for good or for evil. When it is manipulated for evil, then the spiritual-expert may be a 'witch', though not every society has a different word for the good and the bad spiritual-expert. See Worlds of Power by Stephen Ellis and Gerrie Ter Haar for a good account of this cultural viewpoint.
African Pentecostals like Muthee attempt to engage this spiritual world from the traditional mystical worldview. They, however, do not use the traditional means of the spiritual-experts, but employ the symbols and metaphors and beliefs of Pentecostal Christianity. See African Pentecostalism by Ogbu Kalu for an excellent discussion of this.
African Pentecostals like Muthee then associate with American and European Pentecostals because they use similar symbols and metaphors to engage with each one's respective understanding of the world. There remain though very important differences between them. African Pentecostals are not dominionists like their American counterparts at Palin's church in Alaska. There interests are much less political than religious. African Pentecostals also associate with American and European Pentecostals, because they get financing from them to either live well in Africa (true for some, but not all) or finance their Christian ministry in Africa.
Second, more specifically about Kiambu. I live in Kenya, and I can guarantee that Kiambu is not a crime-free zone. In fact, the notorious Mungiki sect has a rather strong hold over this village. Mungiki is a religious/mafia-type group that has combined traditional African religious beliefs with gangsterism to raise funds. I guess their spiritual warfare didn't really work.
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Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 8, 2008 4:04 AM
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Posted by: brer on Sep 8, 2008 4:25 AM
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Never mind that his pastor was speaking the truth--taken out of context making them sound more weird than they were.
Palin's religion is truly dangerous, as so many life plans are based on the end of the world view. Very scary in a Veep, with the potential of becoming president and making decisions for the whole world..
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Posted by: Elmowilcox on Sep 8, 2008 4:35 AM
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No coverage is bad coverage.
McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin
Then when the masses go to the voting booths that are flawed to begin with..they're going to remember McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin McCain/Palin
Keep on spending more time talking about how bad we already know someone is, and less talking about who we want elected...and see what it gets us.
I tried it with Bush TWICE and everyone voted for him anyfuckinway.
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Posted by: Shey on Sep 8, 2008 4:42 AM
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There has got to be a way for the Democrats to get this kind of terrifying information out to the general public, without leaving themselves open to charges of religious bigotry or some such bogus claim.
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Posted by: Steve Adair on Sep 8, 2008 4:45 AM
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Posted by: PaulK on Sep 8, 2008 4:57 AM
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So then the new Governor Palin supported the bridge to nowhere until Congress killed the pork, except she still got the $200+ million in pork money and appropriated it elsewhere. In general, Governor Palin is assumed to be neck-deep in Alaskan Republican pork politics.
And then the state legislature had to appoint a special investigator.
Maybe the African cleric had an off day or something. Maybe somehow he unloaded all the crime from his entire African village onto the first available gullible Yankee.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 8, 2008 4:59 AM
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Flag = McDrill
Bible = Palin
After being attacked by fanatical Muslims, our lower-than-average rural voters are shitting their pants that their farm road address will receive a package bomb, or an envelope of anthrax. They're so busy being terrified of Jesus they actually think THEY are being targeted.
Those of us who live in cities are not scared at all - yet WE'RE the ones who would be targeted, not the Wal-Mart NASCAR family.
Why is that?
I know far too many people who live in TX. They're part of this crowd. Rural, home-schooled people are busy being totally sucked into mythology while city dwellers are busy getting about with their lives. City dwellers have a lot more variety in their lives. Their sources of information are broader and the diversity of opinions they hear from is greater than rural people's.
Rural folk have far less on their agenda other than the riding mower with beer in hand, insulting people who have a degree, and finding ways to further mix Jesus Camp with the State.
The complete insult to intelligence that rural voters demand we pay attention to is appalling. Right this second they are literally demanding that we WORSHIP McCain who graduated at the bottom of his class AND his political pick who attended 6 colleges in 6 years with a degree in journalism.
VS... now get this. This is rich:
A Harvard grad who graduated magna cum laude and a true statesman.
Yep, rural voters are DEMANDING that a low intelligence is absolutely necessary to a successfully run country.
This proves two points to me. 1. The US education system couldn't possibly be the envy of the world because not enough Americans are going to our schools and getting a good education and 2. Religious voters have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that rational thought is not to be trusted, an education is suspect, and the only thing that will be useful in government are the stupidest people they can find.
This also proves to the nation that the more religious you are the more dangerous you are. It proves it. More religious = more likely to join the military. More religious = more likely to adhere to a violent religious philosophy.
Let's see. How religious were those 19 hijackers? They were REAL religious. They were fanatical enough to DIE for their beliefs. The only difference between Muslim fanatics and Christian ones is this: Muslim fanatics will die for their religion. Christian fanatics will kill YOU for their religion.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 8, 2008 5:06 AM
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When outsiders criticize "evangelicals," all of them will rally together, regardless of their disagreements amongst themselves. It is vital that a non-Pentecostal evangelical Christian with clout (e.g., Rick Warren) step forward and alert other evangelicals that Palin is part of the Toronto Blessing movement (I think they call it "Word-Faith" or "Name It and Claim It theology" these days) and that she poses a grave threat not only to the country or even life on earth, but to the Church as well.
To all Obama campaigners - take what I wrote to heart. Find that courageous non-Pentecostal evangelical preacher who is afraid of Palin's theology and lobby him to speak out on this. I am truly afraid of Palin becoming president (I suspect that those who put her forward for VP may very well intend to remove John McCain two or three years into the presidency so their stooge will be president); a Palin presidency will surely be an economical and ecological disaster from which not just the US, but the entire world will never recover. Millions may die as the result of this one mean, unintelligent woman. The non-Pentecostal evangelicals can no longer sit back, play church, and avoid politics - they must step forward and simply speak aloud in the public square what they say about Pentecostals within their own churches.
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Posted by: Bastet62 on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 AM
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So I'm just assuming here, but does this mean the books Palin tried to ban from the Wasilla library were the Harry Potter books?
OMG - these people should frighten every rational person.
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Posted by: loxias on Sep 8, 2008 6:00 AM
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What about having your phones and email and web history sold to like-minded organizations who don't want non-members getting good jobs, or getting a reasonable loan?
What if it means a different tax bracket? Will you let your children suffer in order to stand up for freedom of religion?
When Inquisitor Palin puts the first glowing rod to your feet, chanting "this world has nothing for you," what will you do?
Apparently we don't need Martin Luther King. We have reverted to needed Martin Luther...
Yeah that's right! WWMLD? lol
My sub-headline?
Why is Fannie May and Freddie Mac being nationalized Sunday not in todays local paper, or NYT, or alternet, or Ma Jones, etc etc...
Maybe they could have saved us from Wasilla?
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Posted by: bloominblacksheep on Sep 8, 2008 6:13 AM
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Poor woman---I doubt if she ever looked at the books they wanted to "ban" in Wasilla! Fortunately, the brave longtime librarian refused, although Palin threatened to fire her (and many other Town employees); there was an uproar, and the Town threatened a recall!
Finally an Administrator was appointed to "govern" in her place! (Some "experience"!)
This is what I have read, anyway. Perhaps some of it is "story" and may be somewhat questionable, but the sources are from articles and interviews of people who have lived in Wasilla. (They certainly are more likely to be true than the obvious "community organizer" misinterpretations and lies Palin was spouting about Barack Obama the other night as she spoke at the Republican Convention and on the Campaign Trail. Obviously, handlers were careful to be sure she remained ignorant of Obama's true history and resume, although the "truth" does not appear to be a strong suite when this supposedly fervently "religious" woman is in hot pursuit of a goal! Has anyone noticed that moral and ethical rules long recognized seem to go out the window for these "religious" actors? (But then, is that really new?)
She clearly had never read "Dreams From My Father" where Obama details working for 10K a year in the South Side neighborhood for the people of one of Chicago's most neglected neighborhoods...He seems to have done a lot more good there than she ever did in Wasilla with her big box stores and her large sports complex. I have to ask, Who was following the words of Jesus more---Sarah and her Big Box stores, or Barack and his "Community Organizing" that she mocked, in the poor inner city neighborhoods, where the bullets were sometimes flying? Sarah, ordering the shooting of wolves and their cubs from helicopters (and bears, too?) ot Barack, who was teaching Civil Rights Law and practicing as a Civil Rights lawyer (which Sarah never bothered to mention when she said he had no resume?)
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 8, 2008 6:14 AM
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The very thought that these extreme beliefs would be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office is truly a frightening thought.
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Posted by: HPipe on Sep 8, 2008 6:26 AM
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AGE OF REASON by Thomas Paine must become required reading in all of our public schools. The basis of our democracy as designed by Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Paine and others needs to become the major focus of study of American Youth. Our Freedom-Our Democracy is being threatened by religious fascists. It is time for freedom loving Americans to realize who are our real enemies. These people have a virulent gut hatred of FREEDOM and our BILL OF RIGHTS and will do all in their power to destroy them.
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Posted by: aceriter on Sep 8, 2008 6:27 AM
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And why is it that those who never attend any church are always the first ones to scream about the beliefs of someone else?
I do not agree with the doctrines of Palin's church, but then, neither do I agree with the Catholic Church, or Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Seventh Day Adventists,or Jews, etc. So does this mean that none of these people have the right to be Vice President just because I feel their religious beliefs are whacky?
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 8, 2008 6:44 AM
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Gosh, I wonder what the "evil" is that they plan to smite hip and thigh? Let me guess: gays, liberals, humanists, Jews (those who haven't converted), Muslims, feminists, abortion doctors, sex researchers, free thinkers. (I suppose there are others that make the list.) Since I am already three of the above, I don't suppose I'll be one to survive.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWUZ4dsUXaw&feature=related
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Posted by: Israel on Sep 8, 2008 7:28 AM
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Great shot of Palin in American Flag Bikini brandishing an AK47!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2uGDKlhtLE
Sarah’s church supports anti Jewish group! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uz_nPFfjYo
The actual video of McCain’s call to Palin for VP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc
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So listen up, all you young Jewish guys out there! Beware that Gentile honey who is winking at you from across the room! She is just an agent of the devil who is trying to prevent the fullfillment of Prophecy!
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Palin also represents a group which will do violence to achieve their goal.... For instance, bombing abortion clinics! Now, McCain is old, but he may not croak quickly enough! Do you think that these people being that close to having real power wouldn't at least consider it? Not to mention that they have a great number of certifiable whackos they can count on to be whacky!
These people are ruthless in carrying out god's will...as they perceive god's will!! ..Watch Palin's speech again....the ruthless snide self righteous delusional contempt! Add to that, her history of how she deals with opponents, or people who simply don't kowtow to her! One of their own next in line! ..look out Muslims, Pagans, Jews ...anyone not THEM!
I can imagine Pat Robertson doing a reprise of TAKE HIM OUT!! ...RUTHLESS!!!
Bush has been disastrous!
McCain likely would be worse!?
Palin would be a nightmare!
Imagine looking back at the Bush regime years as THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!
We should at least consider the possibilities and possible scenarios. This may be their one shot they ever have at acquiring REAL POWER!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds nasty, but we should at least THINK ABOUT IT! ...SOMEONE WILL BE!!!!
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This is something that was predicted 120 years ago in the book "The Great Controversy" by Seventh-day Adventist founder Ellen G. White. She wrote:
"Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected." (The Great Controversy, page 592)
If you are interested in reading more, here's a link to the book: http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc.html
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I'm afraid these churches are very common. Yes one can move on from these beliefs, but I think Palin's a little too incurious/ignorant and entrenched in these myths to move beyond them so quickly and easily.
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Will she, with her new-found power if McCain passes away, start a nuclear war to bring about the Rapture?
This worry of mine might seem like the rantings of a lunatic to those who don't know Sarah Palin. But, as we should all know by now, these concerns are VERY well-founded indeed.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 8, 2008 8:47 AM
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I'd prefer to save McCain's life by ensuring that he never becomes president. The MSM is clearly on McCain's side, and will put McCain in office. Even if McCain loses the popular vote by a few percent, a combination of electoral college and voting-machine hijinks will ensure he gets the office long enough to warm the chair before keeling over. Since a Palin administration will likely be the end of all life on earth, this must not happen.
All previous elections, Democrats have barely fought back, tried to appear gentlemanly and intellectual while the Repubs callously appeal to those with lower IQs through gross displays of resentment, hate, anger, and now racism. The results are always the same.
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But if you want to talk about religion I am perfectly happy to finally examine Obama's church where he sat for 20 years--full of anti-white, anti-Semitic, anti-American drivel. Barack denouncing his mentor, Rev Wright, this year--now there's change you can believe in.
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Posted by: DragonOak on Sep 8, 2008 9:21 AM
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These people are domestic terrorists that will use any means necessary to get there message across.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 8, 2008 9:39 AM
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and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.
ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 8, 2008 9:51 AM
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The truth about religion can be found in these books:
"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"
"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"
"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"
"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."
"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."
Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.
"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger. Scientific proof that god does
not exist.
"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."
"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.
"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.
"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/
"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris
"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.
"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?
"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith
"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007
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» HEY ! Religion is not a bad thing. It's the rightwing abusers who are RUINING it !
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Posted by: hollymoodyb on Sep 8, 2008 10:01 AM
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Republicans have been trying to force us into their beliefs for years. Anybody remember John Ashcroft? The Penecostal Senator from Missouri who lost to a DEAD MAN? He ended up as Attorney General, and made a fool of himself! Remember the "statue" incident? We must properly clothe those that stand up for justice.
Ashcroft couldn't be trusted to do abide by the constitution because of his strong religious beliefs, and neither can Sarah Palin. If she ended up President by some horrible situation, we would all be in trouble.
Religion tries to make every issue in our lives black and white; there is a right or wrong answer--end of story. Government is just the opposite; everything is shaded in grey. The key is to figure out the best solution to the problems, not how to appease any particular group of people.
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