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Why Obama's Message Resonates with Millions
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In the audience are the same characters you see everywhere on the campaign trail: the bare-armed cheerleaders congregating near the bleachers, the sullen-faced union workers dutifully decked out in matching T-shirts, the heavyset Soccer Moms cheering from the back rows with that weird overhand applause style they all seem to use, their fingers curled back so as not to ruin freshly painted nails. There are the same Secret Service agents waiting to herd the press into the same windowless concrete filing room, and the same exhausted, khaki-clad campaign staffers with the rapidly thickening backsides ready to queue up behind the journalists to fill their buffet plates with the same Regionally Appropriate Cuisine (pork ribs and hush puppies in the South; steak, corn and potatoes in the Midwest) made up with pride by the local caterers.
And to top it all off, there's even the same speech.
Four years ago, I listened first to Howard Dean and then to John Kerry as they went through the motions of promising to support the middle class, to create jobs through investment in renewable energy, to punish companies that exploited tax loopholes by moving overseas and to find the real terrorists in Afghanistan. They trod the same ground as Gore and even Clinton, coughing out the same paeans to the same lost paradise of the middle-class lifestyle, to those same vanishing days of our history when hardworking, patriotic Americans could live with comfort and economic security on one decent manufacturing job. At stake, they insisted, was nothing less than the American Dream itself. For Dean, it was "time for a change in America." Kerry sometimes ended his speeches by presenting his campaign as a choice of "change versus more of the same" -- a phrase he actually borrowed from Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign.
Here in Chesapeake, Barack Obama offers up the same milky hodgepodge of middle-class tax cuts, investment in alternative fuels and consequences for job exporters and terrorists. And rhetorically, he uses the same old magic trick for his main theme, talking about how all Americans want is to leave a better world for their children.
"That's the essence of the American Dream," he tells the crowd, echoing his predecessors. He goes on to tell the already-famous story of John McCain's seven houses, then explains that someone who has seven houses can't possibly understand what the middle class is going through. "You need a president who's going to be fighting for you," Obama says, to thunderous applause. He concludes by declaring, "We are going to fundamentally bring about change in America" -- a message punctuated by the huge banner hanging behind him, emblazoned with his infuriatingly omnipresent campaign slogan: "Change We Can Believe In." Obama has even taken to borrowing some of his theme music from other candidates: I was mortified when his rallies began to feature the worst of the Hillary standbys, the excruciating "I Won't Back Down" by Tom Petty. The painful predictability of it all was summed up by a front-page headline in The New York Times after the first day of the Democratic convention: "Appeals Evoking American Dream Rally Democrats."
All of this saccharine talk of "change" is so transparently a mechanical come-on that if it were anybody but Barack Obama uttering the word, you'd want to throw up at the very sound of it. And yet, as I watch Obama deliver the same hackneyed act I've seen hundreds of times before, I feel against my will that I am actually watching something different at work. After Kerry and Dean speeches, I often heard people say things like, "At least he's not as dumb as Bush." But after Obama speeches, I see audience members stumbling around in all directions with orgiastic smiles on their faces, as though they've been splashed with gallons of magic pixie paint. In Raleigh, North Carolina, where Obama knocked dead a massive town-hall crowd at a local fairgrounds with a speech that said almost nothing at all, I ask a woman named Melanie Threatt why she thinks her life would improve under an Obama presidency. "It just will," she says. When I press her for specifics, she says, "I just think doors are going to open." You hear stuff like this a lot on Planet Obama, and it makes you wonder just what it is you're encountering. Obama's followers implicitly believe in the things he says, and the fervor of their belief is more religious than intellectual, closer to faith than to reason. Watching him at work, you realize that Obama's remarkable success has almost nothing to do with the same-old product being marketed by the same-old political machine, and almost everything to do with the specific qualities of the individual who is selling it. The same stuff that sounded like hollow, invidious horseshit coming from Kerry and Gore sounds, as dispensed by Obama, like nothing less than a clarion call to collective action. And every time you feel his pitch working, you wonder: Is this some chat-room robot I'm falling in love with? Or is this an actual human being on the line, offering me an opportunity at last to fulfill my deepest desires?
Such, it seems, are the pitfalls of both love and politics in the Internet Age. Too many embarrassing false steps make it hard to take that leap one more time.
One thing that makes the cult of Obama difficult to dissect is the method of its dissemination. The technology of campaign propaganda has advanced to such a degree that the concept of campaign-trail "journalism" is now indistinguishable from corporate PR. The wall that once separated campaign staff from the press corps has broken down completely; those paid by the candidate and those covering him might as well be two different shifts on the same factory ship, working together to bring the world frozen fish patties by the ton. On the shimmering 757 that Obama uses to jet around the country, reporters have plastered the press section in the rear of the plane with cheery, offbeat photographs of themselves captured with campaign staffers in various goofy scenes (clowning with boom poles, quaffing beers, drooling while asleep on buses). The collage seems lifted straight from a high school yearbook; the press might as well have titled it "Our Cool Campaign."
Maybe it's natural that a certain camaraderie would develop between staffers and the press, given that the two groups are prisoners in the same campaign jail for months at a time. The constant Secret Service security protocol leaves everyone On the Bus roped off from all external human contact from morning till night; at the events in between, the press is often kept in windowless rooms behind closed doors or curtains, where reporters sit and listen to the candidate's speeches fed in via loudspeaker. This hilarious setup makes it possible for so-called "political journalists" to cover a candidate without (a) seeing him, (b) seeing his audiences and (c) receiving any information at all that is not fed to them directly by the campaign. On one recent swing through the South, I actually witness a reporter sitting in a concrete filing room during a town-hall session, checking his BlackBerry for an e-mail from the campaign staff to find out what town he is in.
Hemmed in by such restrictions, America's top political journalists have nothing better to do than flog their expensive college educations by playing games like Guess the Identity of Obama's Running Mate. At a VFW convention in Orlando, when Obama mentions "my friend, Senator Joe Biden," reporters -- we were all walled off in a basement room hundreds of yards from the actual speech, watching the candidate on a little TV -- actually break out in hysterical cries of "That's it! It's Biden! It's Biden!"
The rest of the time, reporters think about food. When's lunch? Will there be snacks in the filing room? Is there booze on the bus this time or no booze? When we roll into Richmond, Virginia, one night, I hear an older female reporter complain to another, "They didn't even have white wine on our bus!" Reporters on the campaign trail are like the migrant laborers I met on assignment years ago in an Orthodox monastery in central Russia. With every minute of every workday exactly the same, the laborers devoted themselves to guessing what would be served at lunch, the one slot in their schedule that was different every day. Would it be borscht or cabbage soup? Mayonnaise with their bread or no mayonnaise? I heard conversations an hour long on that theme.
This is what the journalists have been reduced to: the level of indentured field hands at a Russian monastery. With such a castrated press corps in tow, Obama doesn't have to work very hard to "sell" his message. The whole process has been streamlined, politically and culturally, to smooth the spread of the party's propaganda: The speech is already written, the press is already on board, and everybody's already working together to crank out those fish patties.
So here's the interesting part: It's surprising that there is an interesting part. Someone like me -- someone who has actually sailed on this factory ship long enough to get sick at the first whiff of fish -- is instantly dismissive of anyone who dirties himself by entering this world. If the second coming of Jesus Christ stepped on the bus to run on the Democratic ticket, I'd be wondering who paid for his robe and why his message cribbed so much from the New Testament. But even I find myself being seduced by Obama, despite everything I know about the party he represents, its record and where it gets its money. There's just something about the guy; he has that effect.
Obama manages to appeal somehow to that part of us that is tired of there always being another side of the story when it comes to our presidents. We don't want to live in a world where there's always a set of lurid secret tapes that will come out someday, or a mistress with a cigar in her twat hidden off-camera somewhere, or a backroom deal to juice a prewar intelligence report for a bunch of oil-fat-cat golf buddies.
We've become trained to look for the man behind the mask, for in real life there is no one whose emotional life is confined to a lifelong, passionate love for his high school sweetheart wife and their two children, an undying appreciation for the sacrifice of soldiers, awe before the flag and concern for the future of the middle class. Oh, and a burning passion for reducing dependence on foreign oil 30 percent by 2018 and for full federal funding for special education. Because that's the standard we set for our presidential candidates; anyone who reveals himself to have other things going on inside, to be more human than that, never makes it this far.
But I'm not sure there is a mask when it comes to Barack Obama. It sounds crazy, but he might actually be this guy, this couldn't-possibly-exist guy, inside and out. I heard Joe Lieberman talk about his middle-class dad, I heard Hillary plaster every corner of Pennsylvania with talk about her grandfather's sojourn in the lace factory, I heard John Edwards tell everyone who would listen, and even some who wouldn't, about what being the son of a millworker meant to him, and in every case I could feel the cold hand of political calculation crawling up my shirt as they spoke.
Then I hear Obama tell audiences about his grandmother and her time working on a bomber assembly line during World War II. Intellectually I know it's the same thing -- but when you actually watch him in person, you get this crazy sense that these schlock ready-for-paperback patriotic tales really are a big part of his emotional makeup. You listen to him talking about his grandfather waving a little American flag on the Hawaiian beach as he watched the astronauts come in to shore, and you can almost see that these moments actually have some kind of poetic meaning for him, and that he views his own already-historic run as a continuation of that pat-but-inspirational childhood story -- putting a man on the moon then, putting a black man in the White House now.
Obviously, Obama has some off-script moments of anger, and ill humor, and ego; his personality sometimes comes out looking well short of iconic. During his appearance in Chesapeake, a teacher gets up to complain about her long working hours since the passage of No Child Left Behind and starts to say something about how no one should have to work 13 hours a day, and --
"Not unless you're running for president!" Obama quips rosily, thinking the audience is with him. Instead, many in the crowd grow silent, drinking in the rock-star candidate's curious decision to compare his admittedly tiring-but-still-thrilling quest for ultimate earthly power with some dreary educator's slavish pursuit of a paycheck.
Obama also makes dumb jokes, and flirts with his audience ("Y'all are silly!" he told a group of girls who overdid the shrieking-Beatles-fan act when he took off his suit jacket), and overdoes it on the gooey poeticizing (his gushing over the beauty of America "from sea to shining sea" is particularly atrocious). But all in all, you never get a sense that there's a more interesting side of Obama lurking underneath somewhere. Oddly enough, the guy only really lights up when he starts delivering those same ham-handed lines about the American Dream that fell out of the mouths of Dean and Kerry like dead bullfrogs.
And maybe that's the difference. When those other guys took this act on the campaign trail, it was obvious they were just reading lines in a bad script. But maybe it sounds different coming from Obama because he actually means what he says, as weird as that would be. The American Dream, after all, is dying. We do need something new. That much is painfully obvious.
What's confusing about Obama is that he's so successful at projecting an air of genuineness and honesty, even as he navigates the veritable Mount Everest of fakery and onerous bullshit that is our modern electoral system. And the reason it's confusing is that we've grown so used to presidential candidates who fall short of the images they present in public, we don't even know anymore what a man worth the office would look like. Is this him? Or is this just a guy with a gift for concealing the ugliness of the system he represents? As I watch Obama on the campaign trail, I know I'm listening to the Same Old Shit, delivered by a candidate who could cross the Atlantic on a bridge constructed entirely from Wall Street cash culled for him by party hacks and insiders. But I suddenly don't care. It's not just that the alternative is four years of the madman John McCain. It's that, if Obama wins, it will be interesting to find out, at long last, if there really can be something truly different about someone who sounds so much the same.
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» DEAR MATT, YOU NEED A BREAK FROM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. SERIOUSLY.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Sep 9, 2008 12:25 AM
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My disappointment in Obama notwithstanding, I'm strongly supporting him because the thought of another 4 years of Bush is too scary.
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» Indeed McCain is up: McCain 54, Obama 44
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» Intentionally stupid
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» Intentionally stupid enough to win-again
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Posted by: Uriahz on Sep 9, 2008 12:32 AM
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Not to knock the guy. Maybe he's just the sort of man who really genuinely feels whatever he wants to feel at the time. There are several schools of approaching that challenge to be found in the acting field. Check out Antonin Artaud. Having a message that you agree with 80% certainly makes it easier. But really, is it THAT hard to give a rip-roaring barnburner of a political speech? I don't find it so amazing that this guy's a great speaker-- I find it amazing that he's the best damn speaker in a presidential campaign since Bobby Kennedy at least, maybe as far back as FDR. And he has some damn amazing speechwriters.
But seriously, the fan worship? Come on. The guy's charismatic and powerful, but his politician roots are showing to anyone with the mind to look. He's a phony. I happen to like phonies, but there's no denying the fact. He's a huckster.
I liked him in the primary because he's a better public speaker with much the same platform, and hence a better chance of winning. I like him now because he has a far superior platform than McCain, even though I admit he's just another politician. His public speaking skills are absolutely integral to his success, sure, but if you're seriously taken in by this guy you have a screw loose. He's just telling you what you want to hear, and doing it beautifully.
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Posted by: outsideagitator on Sep 9, 2008 12:49 AM
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I did not pay much attention to him until I watched him working the crowds in Iowa early in the primary season. I tuned in late and so missed the speech, but C-span kept following him around as he interacted with the folks that came out to hear him and I watched intently how they seemed to react to him. The sincere smiles and obvious pleasure while talking to him seemed genuine to me and he seemed to be really enjoying it and radiated sincerity...over the T.V. screen! I had never observed that before on tv.
I am to the left of most progressives and vote with and for Dems. because in my opinion its the only party where even part of my own political desires are likely to be realized. I know that he is a liberal and probably will have to be pressured to do the right thing if he is elected by the progressive part of the Dem. base, but somehow I think that maybe this time we got some one who will really listen and really try to do the right thing.
I like him a lot...he makes me feel good.
Joseph
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Posted by: ukeman on Sep 9, 2008 3:17 AM
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he's a black man, with a middle eastern name!
I mean how difficult does it need to be?
We've got the right minions all with their underwear in a bunch in what has to be the most weird combination of occurrences here, actually trying to justify getting excited about another 4 years.
When it takes a snide, divisive, lying, boastful, knee-capping woman, who happens to be an ultra fundamentalist to get the "holier than thou" crowd up again... talk about your ironies.
You know what?, if Obama doesnt win, I say that the best candidate couldnt win, and maybe it's time to let the suckers just pay the consequences ... and let them go down with the ship!
dam the torpedoes! they deserve it!
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» But I'll bet if Obama wins
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» cj, I feel your pain
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Posted by: williameon on Sep 9, 2008 4:17 AM
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Kick the Crooks out of Washington.
All the Lies,
All the Stolen Votes,
All the Spying, Stealing, Treason and Dying!
We are sick of it.
Change the Administration
Change the Government.
That's what we’re talking about.
The Corpirate Fascist Dictatorship ruining this Country.
Bush/McPain are clueless Aristo Trash.
Front men for The Alien Aristocracy
We are tired of
The Corpirate BU__! SH__!
It is a sham, they are old, crooked and corrupt.
They have failed the people.
GREED is Evil.
Relentless Corpirate GREED serves only one purpose
It enslaves you and makes the Billionaire Corpirates Richer.
What does Murdock and Bill Gates care about you?
Nothing!
They would rather drop a Bomb on you then buy you a sandwich.
Our Government is 77% Privatized.
Put that on CNN, Fox or any other FAUX Blues Channel
Tax breaks for the 15,000 Richest Families while our children starve.
The 15,000 Families that own 99% of everything and still want more.
When will it end?
When we throw the CROOKS out?
There is a difference between McSame and Change.
Hundreds of Military Bases around the world and NOTHING for you.
Billions for EXXon and nothing 4 U.
They will do anything to steal this Election.
Is that right?
Is the FAUX Corpirate Greedia right?
We live in a evil Propaganda Military Media Police State.
It is a crime.
Propaganda is a Crime.
Millions of Millions for Trillionaires and none for you.
That's a Crime!
Everyone in this country is aganist BUSH/Chainey & McSame
What space ship did the media just step off of.
One Voice rises up against the
Corporate Trash and a giant BLACK boot stomps him into the ground.
Take the money out of politics.
McPain will work for free.
What does that tell you?
What does a 72 year old Billionaire with eight mansions know about our problems?
$300,000 Dollar Earings?
Oh, that’s middle class to him!
He does he need a job for?
Everyone else is forced to retire except this a-sholes.
He just keeps coming.
Spewing BU__! SH__!
They have taken over the voting system.
They count the votes.
CHANGE is in order.
VOTE BUSH/McSAME OUT!
Or
Kick them out.
Give them a taste of their own medicine.
IMPEACH!
Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!
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Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 9, 2008 4:15 AM
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But no one wants to hear this. They just want to satisfy their short term appetites, never mind the consequences. But the consequences arrive no matter what fantasies the people are fed by their political hucksters -- and those consequences are summed up in one word: ecocide, the death of a life-supporting planet.
On the other hand, McCain as President would probably provoke World War Three which would kill the Earth in a day, not a lingering ecocidal collapse.
So there is our REAL choice. Which mode of planetary death do we prefer: McCain's short track, or Obama's longer track? The destination is the same.
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» No, we are three voices.
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» Good. Let's keep adding voices to the chorus of survival.
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Posted by: ava1984 on Sep 9, 2008 4:57 AM
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Unfortunately, there are millions of people in our land who are as dumb as a sack of hair; and will go out of their dim way to find excuses to vote for MCShame.
If Obama can pull this off, and remain above it all, he will make more than history, he will represent a better America! And, the possibilities will be endless; because we will have shown ourselves to be better than we have been in many years!
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" HL Mencken
Here's hoping we can prove Mr. Mencken wrong; at last!
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Posted by: LOVELYT. on Sep 9, 2008 5:00 AM
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» RE: ALL THE MCSAME/PITPALIN LIES ARE SICKENING
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» But Obama is sinking into Kerryhood and not fighting back. He was awful on Olbermann yesterday.
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» Obama sold his progressive/liberal base voters out a long time ago and now GOD IS PUNISHING HIM !!!
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» I understand your rage, but here's a better idea:
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» And here's a better idea for you: Quit blaming the population like a Malthusian. It's the policies !
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» Obama will win by a landslide
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Posted by: seazen on Sep 9, 2008 5:11 AM
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1) He reflects the real future of the multi-cultural world we live in today - not because of his skim color but because of his personal life experiences. Everyone else screams of the past and an almost psychopathic need to go backwards.
2) He reawakens the sense of "we" in us - that it is, in fact, a country dedicated to the well-being of "We the People" and not the arrogant, aristocratic, "let them eat cake" group that runs the country today.
3) He has sustained an effort to refrain from the petty, cruel, and childish nonsense that has dominated politics and the right-wing airwaves for so long.
4) He is intelligent, he listens, and "talks" to us (and does great speeches, too) and that alone is a needed relief from the inane, controlled, and disdainful crud we have been subjected to for the past 8 years.
I really, really hope we vote for the smart ones this time. Three strikes and we are definitely out.
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» Obama does do all those things, well. But that won't win.
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» But Obama sold out his progressive/liberal base BIG TIME and now GOD IS MAKING HIM PAY THE PRICE !!!
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Posted by: nfamous on Sep 9, 2008 5:11 AM
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Any charismatic Democrat would be embraced after eight ears of criminality and a wrecked economy. Bush has set Americans up for the fall again because all forty-three presidents have made promises they couldn't keep and subsequently broke. It's called lying in layman's terms. Just because Obama is not white doesn't mean he will change this historical pattern of abuse. He represents the establishment. How could he really change anything and not be assassinated?
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» But Obama threw the progressive/liberal base out and now GOD IS PUNISHING HIM !!!
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Posted by: chlamor on Sep 9, 2008 5:13 AM
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Demobama: "We love the miltary, they are all heroes, we honor their service..."
Republicain: "I was the military; I should be honored..."
Demobama: "We don't oppose all war; we are just against the way war is handled."
Republicain: "Didn't you hear me? I am the military. Who can handle war better?"
Demobama: "Gas prices are really high. We favor all kinds of indistinct measures to fix them."
Republicain: "We favor the same indistinct shit (what is the harm?) plus we wanna drill everywhere - Hummers are us.
Demobama: "The economy is terrible. We want a middle class tax break."
Republicain: "We want a tax break for everybody - we are more egalitarian."
Demobama: "We want indistinct change and meaningless experience."
Republicain: "We want meaningless experience and indistinct change - better ordering."
Demobama: "Women's issues are really important. That is why we are for abortion."
Republicain: "Hell, we gotta a girl... err, 'woman'."
Demobama: "Since we live in a post racial era, our guy is black but it don't mean nothin'."
Republicain: "Since it don't mean nothin', we stopped paying attention."
Demobama: "We are really really smart and entitled. We should win."
Republicain: "Lots of people hate 'entitled'. We are billionaire homies."
Demobama: "We want to invite the Republicans into our ruling coalition."
Republicain: "We are Republicans. We don't need to invite nobody."
Demobama: "Don't worry, we won't really change too much."
Republicain: "Ditto..."
Demobama: "We are certain voters are stupid so we will wow 'em with fireworks and not distract them with substance."
Republicain: "We will see your 'stupid' and raise you ten thousand 'floating chrysanthemums of cynicism'."
...and so it goes.
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Posted by: progdem on Sep 9, 2008 5:41 AM
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And do we really need a 'I'm a cynical guy, but I am positively gushing over this Obama person'? Cynics don't gush. Chronicly dissapointed optimists gush when they get fooled into think their luck will change.
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Posted by: taxidriver on Sep 9, 2008 6:02 AM
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Obama represents the American dream. He's not a privileged child of admirals, he's a biracial child raised by a single mom and his grandparents. He's not a hell-raising fighter jock and alpha male who objectifies women, but a thoughtful and ambitious politician who married an equal, not an heiress.
All that being said, many Americans can't get past his black face and funny-sounding name--and all the innuendo promoted by cynical right-wingers.
So I suppose we'll elect the "reformed" jet pilot jockey and the wet-behind-the-ears big game hunter.
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Posted by: phastphil on Sep 9, 2008 6:23 AM
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A wise man once said: "they will never remember what you said, but they will always remember the way you made them feel"
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 9, 2008 6:31 AM
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P.S:
Obama has pandered to the rightwing on virtually everything and that has angered me beyond the point of insanity. My wife was even more angered by Obama's waffling to pandering but would calm me down and remind me that when all is lost, there's Ralph Nader. And you wonder why more of Obama's base are switching to Indies such as Nader and Mckinney or don't even want to vote. Faux Noise and other media outlets wouldn't be chalked with hundreds of users talking Orwellian and going McSHIT if Obama had stayed a progressive/liberal populist in the first place and had actually challenged the establishment as he had originally promised in 2004.
And stay tuned as I get ready to present my entire take titled:
"What if Obama were actually a populist?"
You won't be disappointed, well sort of.
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Posted by: bluetara on Sep 9, 2008 6:36 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 9, 2008 6:36 AM
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I was not around to see the last gilded age, but if it was as perverse as this current one, well it was truly a low point for Americans! That Sen. Obama can and has tapped into the emotional nerve and articulates well the feelings is what has helped to bring him to this point. Now if he can channel the anger that many have and talk with a more progressive voice, that will put him a league all his own.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 9, 2008 6:37 AM
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Posted by: radical53 on Sep 9, 2008 6:44 AM
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To listen to the media and his political adversaries, you would think all he has going for him is his oratory. The Republicans take it a few steps further and put out Rovian lies about him.
The main thing Obama really offers is a change in the approach to politics in Washington. He is not a left-wing idealogue. He is about getting things done by negotiating the best deal he can get. His most recent demonstration of this approach is his energy proposal. Obama is not a fan of offshore oil drilling, but he is saying he will include some of it in his energy policy so he can get a more comprehensive program adopted. Obama is also proposing that the government set the political agenda and write the legislation, rather than just voting on laws written by multi-national corporations.
The old ideas of economic growth, health care reform, cleaning up the environment, more jobs, and improving international relations have been advanced with soaring oratory to try to get folks to vote for them. Based on the latest trends in the polls and the excitement over Sarah Palin, it appears that even a rock star can't get the majority of Americans to put any faith in its government.
To make matters worse, the national media's campaign of spin, confusion, and obfuscation is in full swing. Obama's proposed solutions to our problems are being cast as very complicated and confusing. I've listened time and again to Obama laying out his programs, followed by some nitwit saying he or she didn't hear any specifics. More recently, the media "examines" specific issues like the candidates' stands on taxes, energy, and the economy and comes to the conclusion that "it's all very complicated" and "you can't really tell". If you don't understand Obama's policies or you can't tell what his policies are, you might just settle for the status quo.
I'm afraid the American electorate is about to make their biggest mistake ever without considering the consequences. Four years of McCain will be hard to recover from.
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Posted by: daniel1982 on Sep 9, 2008 7:00 AM
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Posted by: whathappened on Sep 9, 2008 7:03 AM
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Wake up people!!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 9, 2008 7:26 AM
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Is Obama perfect...No. I personally don't care for his healthj care plan- HR676 is far superior!
What Obama has Done- which he may regret later- is he has once again 'gathered the troops'.
Let's be honest the Womens Movement, environmentalists, Equal rights advocates, Corp & Gov't accountablity/legal responsibilty activists have been marginalized,sidelined and slandered since Reagan took Office!
Co9me On Matt- Train Obama may not reach every depot...But it will get US back on the tracks and heading in the Right Direction.
Having been a 'Lefty' since the '70's, I have come to see the uncompromising sect of the 'left' as much a barrier to progress as the zealot right!Thei rtactics are quite similar- anger fear hatred and Lies .FYI humans are Omnivores by Nature- biologically engineered to process meat proteins...We don't have a Cecum!So 'Animal Advocates' can be Duel dietarians- We want proper animal husbandry and care for meat producing animals too!WE eat the burger and thank the animal who was necesary for our continued duty as the Stewards of everything Else!So PETA has no concept or interest in the facts about TRUE Nature of things- they act like dumbasses, thus closing doors to US from discussing real Humane treatment of livestock animals with.
So those of US who've been a round a few blocks can't stand when ANYONE tries to jam shit down others throats!It's counterproductive, if not an outrright repellant to solving the real problems.
I can live with the fur coats, for now- i can't live with chickens being slammed against walls, or steers scooped up with front end loaders for processing.
GREAT OLD SONG LINE..."CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU TRY SOMETIMES YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED!"
Please Help US get what we need, out from under 40 yrs of CheneyCorp Rule!
OBAMA/BIDEN '08!!!
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Sep 9, 2008 7:32 AM
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Things will definitely change under Obama's leadership...how much will depend on US, and how we help shape his presidency by our own involvement.
I get a sense of genuineness from him that is instinctual in the same way that my revulsion over Bush/Cheney, Bush Sr., Reagan and Nixon was instinctual, from the beginning, to be borne out by their actions.
BTW; I take exception to Tiabbi's characterization of Howard Dean...when I first heard him announce his candidacy and declare himself against the illegal war in Iraq, I had the same sense of elation and, yes, Hope. We had just come back via an overnight bus trip, from DC, marching for the umpteenth time against the Iraq War, and this miserable criminal administration, and he was indeed a breath of fresh air...just like Obama!
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Posted by: solrev on Sep 9, 2008 7:35 AM
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You have to be ready to on day one, there is no on the job training for President. Palin may be inexperienced but she can learn as she goes.
Obama is just a rock star now we have a rock star.
Obama has a bad preacher now Palin brings us a bad preacher.
Obama has a nice young family no one wonder he talks about the future, now we have a young family.
Never have I seen an election when so many people were talking out of both sides of their mouth. Rove must really be running scared because; he duplicated for McCain every criticism he made of Obama. Good or bad we have to look like Obama is Rove’s strategy. We are just like Obama but we are not black.
A war dog and a pit bull, I will put my money on the peacemakers, The republican base may be fired up because they fill they are back in the game, but the past will come back to haunt them. They can not escape the evil of their ways; democrats and republicans are not the only ones speaking. There is another, that is, change you can believe in. Obama will win the hearts and minds of the people with 64%.
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Posted by: wcscheurer on Sep 9, 2008 7:47 AM
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The sad part is to watch him wrestle with almost being seduced himself. Who can blame him though? Hope springs eternal.
Matt, please don't forget the cardinal rule of journalism: "Never make friends with the band!"
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Posted by: itzamirakul on Sep 9, 2008 7:48 AM
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What more can he say? Everything boils down to this. You can call people liars, talk about their churches and ministers, and all manner of unpleasant things but the bottom line is..."What do the voters want?"
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Greg Palast has discovered that Republican officials in swing states are purging blacks from voter rolls, and that - this really alarms me - you can be purged from the voting rolls if your house is foreclosed upon. (Wow, that's really scary.) The Repubs are taking full advantage of that, too.
Palast is looking to raise $ to air this findings on a paid TV slot.
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 9, 2008 8:24 AM
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McCain doesn't care about FLDS women and children stripped of their democratic rights and in their 8th generation of white slavery and mind control.
I recognize fundamentalist white supremacy when I see and hear it, and I saw it in the sea of pale faces at the RNC, and I heard it when Palin spoke to McCain's republican congregation. Palin fits right in with polygamous women in Colorado City, Arizona where down syndrome babies/teenage pregnancy are the norm, and women are pawns to further the white patriarchal agenda.
Polygamous women only speak to the press when they are told to, and they must follow the script.
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Posted by: davemclane on Sep 9, 2008 8:30 AM
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Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Sep 9, 2008 8:44 AM
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Russia is having naval maneuvers with Venezuela. Russia is attempting to reestablish friendly relations with China and Cuba. Russia is assisting Iran in building a nuclear plant Russia is selling Iran Anti-Aircraft weapons to defend any future weapons, missiles or nuclear weapons from Israeli or American Air Craft.
Many "real and present dangers" are out there and it is not time to put a person with his limited experience in the White House. We need a man or women that will not say "Present" when the missiles are flying.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 9, 2008 8:50 AM
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I did notice the acts tickets were given for did happen to be 'white' acts. Maybe he had some George Clinton/Parliment shows he did givaways for,but that damn sure never made the press in whiter sides of the country.
I think if you're going to prove you're really worth voting for,the money collected,in Obama's case over a quater of a billion dollars, then instead of bailing out your opponets campaign,you give some money to unfunded youth centers in rural America,make a kickdown to a free clinic,put some current teaching books in small underfunded schools, put up a little seed money for a park playground, take a million dollars per state and buy school supplies for the kids,you'd still have two hundred million left to buy ad space with.
Good PR is pushing the Hope button quite hard making Mr. Obama look like someone that could truly unite us in a way never before seen in this country,but..... If it proves out to be the same old campaign jargon that's just empty promises,there's no amount of PR that will save the democrats from the backlash of a society that has been let down again by another slick talking politician. That backlash would be justified and necessary to regain our lost Freedom,Liberty and trust in our system of governance.
Write-in Jeffrey7 for President '08
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE
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Posted by: Wildman on Sep 9, 2008 8:57 AM
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No joke.
Part of Obama’a appeal is that he makes us feel like hope and faith are essential to the greatness of people. He is the Frank Kapra movie we all need. I hate to see him get down in the mud with the Repubs. When he calls them on their lies, (which he must do over and over) he needs to do more than expose their cynicism, he needs to continue to rise above them and call upon all of us in the audience to believe real hard and keep tinker bell alive. Palin and McCain want to hunt and kill Tinker bell from airplanes. We must all save hope and faith together.
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Posted by: Dboy on Sep 9, 2008 8:57 AM
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To answer the question by continuing the analogy, the reason Obama resonates with millions is because he is an echo chamber.
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Posted by: hollymoodyb on Sep 9, 2008 8:59 AM
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What I do agree with in this story is the fact that we need to hear some serious plans on policy issues. Yes, Obama is hitting on the "normal" democratic issues. For many of us those are really important; it is a part of who we are and what we value. But we also need to hear how he will adjust his policy to live up to our common goals, yet meet the needs of our changing society, indeed, the world.
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Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 9, 2008 9:31 AM
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YES WE CAN!
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Posted by: picket on Sep 9, 2008 9:34 AM
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The Dems have fallen for the Abortion debate again... a losing discussion. The Rebubs have a winning STRATEGY. I am for Obama BUT the PERCEPTION of him A young man in a white shirt, sleeves rolled up and lecturing a class.
OK...sorry..BUT GALLUP Poll:
McCain pre-convention with Independents 40%
McCain post-convention with Independents52%
The good news Palin does not have a clean record ...stories developing every day.
The bad new "just wait until Obama is elected" things will change , don't say anything NOW." Losing strategy....
Biden et el....Zzzzzzzzz
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Posted by: liberalibrarian on Sep 9, 2008 9:44 AM
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Have you, have we all gotten so jaded that we can't believe for one minute that yes, this guy is as sincere as it gets? As sincere as it gets...that is wayyy more sincere than we have seen for thirty years, especially in the last eight.
Why do you think that teacher teaches? Why do I work for peanuts as a librarian? (who has also faced down censorship at a county
level...)
Because I want to help people, that's right folks! I love this country so I stand up against censorship, I'm careful to ensure confidentiality...all that and more you get.
Matt Taibbi, you've seen the belly of the beast. Do me a favor. Shake off the foreboding feeling that Obama might not be quite as wonderful as perceived, he's human; or maybe he is as great as all that. One thing I do know: he's smarter. Way smarter than the other guy/gal. That's the first criterion on my list.
Sometimes someone does rise up in this country and save the day...I don't mean any inference to some undeserved personality cult, or anything supernatural and certainly don't think he or anyone else is called by oh, Diety. But I do think that we need to let his man try to help us or we're doomed.
If anyone is fomenting a personality cult it's the Republicans with Palin. That's all that is: the woman is unbelievably right wing fanatical. And dangerous.
You should know this better than most.
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Obama/Biden 08 and beyond
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 9, 2008 9:53 AM
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It's a small-town value to teach abstinence-only sex education, then see your daughter get knocked up because she doesn't know what a penis and vagina do, then tell the entire nation how wonderfully that program works.
It's a small town value to even mention to a town's librarian that books should be banned in the public library.
It's a small town value to leave said small town in gigantic debt and with a lawsuit in tow.
It's certainly a small-town value to be affiliated with a separatist political group which openly mocks the US government.
How about this small-town value. Shooting animals from helicopters.
This is my favorite small-town value. Not knowing what science is or what it does. Small-town values are that religious instruction should not only be in a science class but it should eventually supplant science as a good educational foundation. Small-town values consist of flaunting Supreme Court decisions and finding any way possible to negate them. To wit, the imminent disappearance of Roe v. Wade and the Dover, PA decision to prevent religious instruction in science classrooms. Jesus wouldn't approve of either decision, so small-town values insists that they be eliminated at all costs.
One of my other favorite small-town values is how important Israel is to the overall health of the US, how End Times eschatology is far superior to a good understanding of international relations. Small-towns usually have important dealings with heads of dictator-led nations, thus the politicos in those small towns are far more aware of how to deal with them than anyone else. It's just common sense. Small-town common sense.
Small town values depend on oil companies to explain what climate change is and to help you understand that people have nothing to do with it. Nothing at all. Zero. Zilch. Climate change proponents are just trying to destroy our robust economy. How dare they! It's common sense not to do that.
Small town inhabitants know that only a man and woman can marry. All gays have to do is find a wife or husband and they can certainly get married! That's logical. No nation on the planet has survived very long if they don't understand that. That's why God has smitten Canada and the Netherlands with plagues, pestilence and their rightly-deserved place in the world: as backward nations in need of a handout. Small towns know precisely how God deals with those kinds of countries. They've become hellholes. That explains why Massachusetts and California have caused the entire nation to become disease-ridden. And the direct correlation to the number of healthy heterosexual marriages that have been negatively affected by this - this - mockery of marriage is astounding. No, gays can't get married unless they have the 'gay prayed away'.
Really. Small-town values?
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 9, 2008 9:55 AM
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1. The average IQ is 100. A 100 IQ is fairly dim-witted for modern life, and since it is the average, half of people have an IQ less than that. These people do not, and will never, have the ability to think anything other than what they are told. As long as the mainstream media pumps Palin as a MILF (with the subtle porno undertones that go with it) and McCain as a "real man" who dates strippers and played Rambo, there is no hope that a black man who talks about issues in a sophisticated manner can win.
2. Among those who might not be totally dim-witted on a genetic level, there is a nonetheless a powerful psychology of previous investment, as well as preservation of self-esteem, at work here. All the obese, tattooed, NASCAR-watching Americans stuck with adjustable rate mortgages on plywood McMansions and rusting SUVs in the yard are faced with the fact that their version of America has failed. Accepting the need to change one's ways is hard - it's easier to embrace McCain's call to "stand for America," that is, we're going to fight for the America of SUVs and fast-food by waging total war to get the last oil in the ground. Make no mistake, all the losers in America will gladly drop some nukes to get Caspian sea oil rather than face the undeniably reality that they're losers who messed up and that their society's a laughable flop.
3. The same psychology of previous investment is evident in evangelical Christians. Not only must they face up to the fact that they screwed up America with their votes, but this is hard for them to do since they were divinely appointed by God to save America. If they were wrong on that, what else might they be wrong on?
In short, America is pitiful, laughable nation of losers. When their feeble old man and dim-witted gal Friday take the stage after being introduced by closeted homosexual Phil Graham, it's an image of America as it is. And like America, the Republican ticket is weak, intellectually inferior, and lumbering forward determined to fight to its death rather than face up to what it has become.
For those of us who aren't fast-food addicts trapped in cheaply-built McMansions with rusting SUVs, I say, learn how to grow your own food, get somewhere safe, be prepared. America is unraveling and all the "plunge protection" hijinks are going to come crashing down after election day. In a best case scenario, things are going to crash so bad that McPalin will be irrelevant, because government itself will become dysfunctional in the crash.
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Obama is playing the cerebral gentleman card like Kerry did, and we saw how well that went. I watched him answering simple questions put to him by Olbermann last night, and he was absolutely BORING! Obama needs to get the lead out of his ass and lead the charge!
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Sep 9, 2008 12:07 PM
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This is obvious just in talking with neighbors or friends who are Obama supporters: they often have no idea how he's voted or what his positions are; peace-movement activists turn out to have no idea what he would really do about Iraq. Something is going on way beyond, or below, rationality.
If he's elected, we better hope he's really a good guy with few corporate strings, or we're screwed beyond anything that poor dumb-ass pretending to be a President has done.
Of course, this makes it even stranger that O is presently polling even with McCain. The Democrats' structural advantages, in registrations, in Bush's approval ratings, over ANY Republican, are overwhelming. I find it hard to believe that there is the slightest doubt whether Obama will win in November.
Let's all think hard about this: why would the Democrats be throwing away this election? Is there some reason they don't want full, unquestioned accountability for the events of the next four years? Or do they just need it to be really close?
Remember: even paranoids can have real enemies, and this is POLITICS.
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One should take time off the media glitz and sit down and understand what has actually been happening for a while. It's not that voters are suddenly giving Mccain an unexpected surge in the polls simply because he chose a woman. And I seriously doubt that they would have done the same if Obama had put any female candidate on the ticket. Folks, it's the lack of populism that has hurt Obama. However, Obama isn't alone. For about 3 decades, the Democrats have abandoned the idea of being populists at all, from campaigning to legislating. Even when Democrats did win on a populist style campaigning, be it Clinton in 1992 or the Democrats in 2006, as soon as they were in, they lost. But you see, genuine populism is not limited to campaign mode at all. Once elected, campaign mode switches to
legislating mode and this is where the true test of populism lies. There are a number of issues where Barack Obama's votes have proven controversial and those votes are not where he voted liberal/progressive. The controversial votes are where he sided with the opposition against the will of the people when he had no business doing so and had nothing to lose by staying populist progressive/liberal. The list is huge but here's the breakdown of the major issues:
1. Shoving corporate wrongdoing court cases to federal court where the cases are most likely to be thrown out.
2. Not voting to clamp down on the Bankruptcy Overhaul Bill although he did vote against it. Picking Joe Biden pretty much takes that issue off the table which might have helped him reach out to voters defrauded by the credit card companies these last 8 years.
3. His failure to stand up to bad drug policies and his flip-flopping on whether to make Cannabis legal along with choosing drug czar Joe Biden.
4. Failure to stand up to reckless spending on the Iraq war-turned-occupation. Like Hillary and Mccain, he too supports more spending. Now where do you suppose all the money's really coming from? We're borrowing from China if not the taxpayers and the results won't be pretty. He voted Condi Rice for Secretary. Also, going on television and criticizing people fed up with the war-turned-occupation in Iraq. Add to it, going on the Bill O'LIEly show and surrending to the "surge has worked in iraq" lie !
5. Trade and Labor. Though he voted against CAFTA, he pretty much supported most "free" trade scams and even has staunch pro "free" trade hacks as economic advisors. In addition, the NAFTA scandal with Canada and his handling of it. Picking "free" trade hacks as economic advisors is NOT a sign of change. On labor, he has no intention of undoing the damage on labor unions and is perfectly "fine" with keeping them shut and busted ! Besides, he's a darling of Wall $treet !
6. Lack of support for single payer healthcare and yet still supporting Big Pharma and Insurance over the people's healthcare needs. He also has no intention to reign in Big Agri and especially Big Corn and is just "fine" with keeping those pro-corporate factory farm subsidies going. And it won't be surprising to see him supporting NAIS (Big Brother against small farmers for grass fed meat and diary).
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8. Privacy Rights. If Obama's counting on young voters, it's too bad the young voters do not yet know that Obama is no different from the GOP on going against privacy rights. Interestingly, Obama supported the reauthorization of the Patriot Act and extending blanket "immunity" for Big Telco to "shield" them from charges of wrongdoing against their customers. To make matters worse, his pick of Joe Biden who supports the RIAA and Big Media against consumer rights and is in favor of slapping million dollar fines against p2p downloaders who are sick and tired of obscenely high prices on crappier quality further questions Obama's support of people versus the monied elites.
9. Making a big deal about religion and trying to "compromise" with evanglicals. His support of expanding Bush's faith based programs especially when it comes to allowing employers to hire, fire, and even discriminate based on religion is very disturbing and shows that Obama has no intent on standing up to the religious fundies.
10. Continuing Bush and Clinton's "faith based" idea of throwing money at the problem such as the case of Big Auto. Instead of making the employer come clean and pay its employees its benefits, Obama signed a legislation to simply pass our taxpayer money to those employees while the CEO stayed rich. And to top it, Obama said that from there, he had "faith" that the company would be "stimulated" into producing fuel efficient vehicles. I mean, come on ! That obviously hasn't happened and the greedy CEOs are still laughing away more m.oney at the bank and more gas guzzlers are given higher priority for sales over fuel efficient types. You can't do everything "faith based" and expect "fair" play ! And even as oil prices have climbed, very little has changed. Besides, why is Obama supporting Big Auto over fixing the public transportation infrastructure which America VERY BADLY needs? Carl Levin and John Dingell are not progressives. They're corporatists !
11. Promising to make a change in Washington once elected to Senate only to copy John Mccain and do nothing. In fact, he made that clear when he said that he will only change if the system "lets" him. Well ? That's not courage. It is COWARDICE. And his showing up on the rightwing media and allowing them to BULLY him further shows that he is UNFIT to stand up to those rightwing bullies !.
12. He gives a very weak presentation on alternative fuels and has been silent on the tax breaks being removed for solar and wind all the while more subsidization to oil, coal, gas, and nuclear. Maybe that's why he changed his mind on Cannabis and decided to keep it "illegal". He has been completely silent on solar and wind technologies which indicates lack of interest in getting America the FUCK out of dependence on foreign oil and ending these bloody wars for oil ! He has also raked in huge contributions from Big Oil, Coal, and Nuclear. Maybe that's why Obama decided to say yes to more oil drilling offshore despite the fact that it would take years for that oil to actually make it to the market. Moreover, the yield could be far less. However, further SEVERE DAMAGE to the environment and health is guarenteed.
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NOW ! Let's add them all up. There's probably more rightwing pandering than is mention in these 13 points but this is more than enough to suffice on making a point as to why Obama's actually failing. You see. He has pushed himself into a LONG TERM DECLINE by pandering to the corporate, military, and even religious fundie interests of the Far Right as these 13 points above alone indicate. If he had been more people friendly on these 13 points instead of pandering to the rightwing, more people would have trust in him and all these silly theories of Hillary supporters flocking to Mccain, women all of sudden switching to Mccain because of Palin, Nader/Mckinney taking votes away from Obama, and other silly conspiracy theories would have been easily silenced because populism is the best form of defense. Failure to be a populist means losing at one's own peril. Being a populist from campaigning to legislating also shields one from silly culture wars.
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Obama has his problems and issues. There could have been better choices for president. However, he isn't Bush and Cheney. He isn't the current crop of rip off artists that have gotten so entrenched in the Republican party. He sincerely believes he can change things and Americans not just recognize that sincerity but desperately want that promised change.
That raises the question of whether we will get that change. If we don't, that anger and frustration will continue to build. The sense of helplessness that we feel about our government will continue to build like a pressure cooker with the release valve blocked. One day it will explode.
At a minimum it will be the end of the two party system. At it's worse it will lead to violence. It could become extremely dangerous to be a politition or corporate leader in a few years. It could become suicidal once things get out of control. Once peoples livelihoods and quality of life deteriorate to a certain point all bets are off.
Disturbing that, when it gets to that point, the people who stand up to the government will be called terrorists and radicals. The government will use it's authority, force, pet news services and resources to kill the opposition to their plans and take more of our privacy and civil rights. That will mean large scale violence because once violence is unleashed it is so hard to put away again. Violence always begets more violence regardless of who started it.
This is not the direction I want our country to go. I study history and it has happened over and over. If we do not get people in power who will put the greed and arrogance genies back in the bottle in Washington and get our countries finances and foreign policies in order it will eventually tear our country apart.
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In terms of defending the general population against the depredations of this business consortium, the Dem Party gave up the ghost in the mid-1960's. Their threadbare act as the "Party of the People" serves not to defend the well-being of the population, but merely to persuade ordinary citizens that within the official political system's framework, there's at least some faint hope for eventual progressive change. Their focus is not so much being on our side, as convincing us that they're on our side -- without the slightest serious examination of what that might entail.
The party's true function is thus largely theatrical. It doesn't exist to fight for change, but only to pose as a force which one fine distant day might possibly bestir itself to fight for change. Thus the whole magic of the Dem Party -- the essential service it renders to the US power structure -- lies not in what it does, but in its mere existence: by simply existing, and doing nothing, it pretends to be something it's not; and this is enough to relieve despair & to let the system portray itself as a "democracy."
As long as the Dem Party exists, most Americans will believe we have a "democracy" and a "choice" in how we are ruled. They will not despair, and will not revolt, as long as they have this hope for "change within the system." From the system's point of view, this mechanism serves as the ultimate safety valve -- it insures against a despairing populace, thus eliminates the threat of rebellion; yet guarantees that no serious change to the system will be mounted, because the Dems weren't designed to play that role in the first place.
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Posted by: spanky on Sep 9, 2008 4:28 PM
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Seems to me Obama represents an ideal, but what about reality? His campaign is made possible by corporate money, same as all other mainstream candidates. So who do you suppose he will be working for? Dont get me wrong, he is certainly better than any of the evil Republican androids posing as humans, but cmon.
Well, we get the leaders we deserve. Every 4 years we are presented with some serous candidates who actually represent the people and not power – Kucinich, Paul, Nader – and time and time again the mixed up American electorate chooses one of the corporate hustlers.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Sep 9, 2008 4:46 PM
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All that glitters is gold, it is just a matter of marketing.
Never underestimate the tastes of the American public.
Never give a sucker an even break.
Folks, the Circus is back in town, to take all your hard earned savings for a big show with a lot of glitter.
What I saw outside of both the conventions, tells me that democracy is finally, really dead.
All we have is the circus, with clowns running for office. The only difference is Obama can't take off his make-up. At least there is something real in this greatest show on earth.
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Not "Why Obama's Message Resonates with Millions?"
Neither candidate has solutions to the problems facing the common folk.
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Uh, I hope not, but dumber and dumber just seems to be America's tack. The white women who bowed over to the right just now bumping the poll numbers are like the band playing on....I can't believe they bought the schtick - so what if he chose a woman...just a trog in lipstick. Telegenics over intelligence. Let's hope Barack can save the American Titanic show soon.
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It's also obvious that most of you Obama-bashing jerks never served in the military.
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He knows that his presidency will be titular only-- without any power. Power will reside in the Chinese Communist party, they already own most of our wealth with the small percentage referred to as the ruling elite.
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Not smart.
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Posted by: GPFrank on Sep 9, 2008 8:36 PM
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what's important in this election are not the issues but personalities (or how they are perceived through the lens of the media)?
And is that why especially the 'good old' white boys and girls can say one thing and then say the opposite and get away with it?
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Stop it with the high-minded pontificating that the Republicans already know how to exploit oh-so-beautifully--right out of their play book of the last 8+ years!
Obama suggests "CHANGE?" McCain hijacks the word -- easy breezy!!!
A Black man for president? We present you with an ex-beauty queen of a gun-toting woman (who just happens to represent everything any thinking feminist would stand against).
And the intellectual types will chew on their own legs right through Nov. 5! PERFECT!
But we thinking liberals are so proud of language no undecided voter can understand. We will have our orgy!
Keep the message simple, stupids. Such as: "Obama leads, George Bush follows." (Obama says "reduce troops in Irag, increase them in Afghanistan"--and what do you know, the current adminstration does precisely that. Etc. Ad nauseam.)
The choir already has the tune, for gods sakes.
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Posted by: Dboy on Sep 9, 2008 10:34 PM
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In addition to the presidential election we also have California Prop 8, aka the "protect marriage act"...another extremely clear culture war test. We'll see soon enough if America passes or fails.
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"As I watch Obama on the campaign trail, I know I'm listening to the Same Old Shit, delivered by a candidate who could cross the Atlantic on a bridge constructed entirely from Wall Street cash culled for him by party hacks and insiders. But I suddenly don't care."
Ideology at its purest. This is what in psychoanalytic lingo is called a "fetishist disavowal," where the person very well knows how things are, but they act and even claim to feel as if it were not the case. It's almost the exact opposite of the old Marxist definition of ideology as false-consciousness, "they do not know, and they still are doing it." The only reason there is to not care is because there is someone else out there who, in our stead, does not know what we know.
To that end, this whole article reminds of joke. A man is kept in a hospital for a time because he believes he is a kernel of grain, and that he will get eaten by a chicken. Eventually, he says that he is not a kernel of grain, and is released. He's not out long before he rushes back asking to be re-admitted. The doctors ask why; he knows he's not a kernel of grain. The man says, "I know that, but does the chicken know?"
The man continues to believe through his actions (hiding from the chicken), though on the level of what he knows (he is not a kernel of grain) he's quite realistic. In other words, he knows, but he doesn't care or it doesn't matter that he knows. How is this possible? The man is clear: the chicken doesn't know.
The threat of this election is not only that McCain will win, but that Obama will win and we won't understand why. If we don't understand why, as Mr. Taibbi has demonstrated, it won't because we don't know, but because we don't care despite what we know. That is not an achievement of political enthusiasm, with which Obama's campaign is too easily credited. That is doing a whole lot in order to make sure nothing happens at all, what Slavoj Zizek calls "inter-passivity."
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Still, I have a sense that this all may not matter, that McCain is going to win anyway. My favorite candidate was Kucinich, and I remember Matt writing four years ago about covering Kucinich on his campaign trail; how Kucinich would have long discussions about complicated issues in his campaign stops and give credit to his audiences for their ability to think.
Well, as much as I love Dennis Kucinich that right there is a losing campaign. There is certainly large amounts of evidence that the American electorate on the whole is dumb, mean and ignorant which is why this election is close. The press has contributed to this, as in media land there are no objective truths anymore in life; there's just a he-said, she-said dog and pony show even if one side is a crew of pathological liars and the other side has the facts on its side.
You can't help but want to curl into a fetal position watching half the electorate cheer on McCain as he leads the country down the toilet.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Sep 9, 2008 12:25 AM
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My disappointment in Obama notwithstanding, I'm strongly supporting him because the thought of another 4 years of Bush is too scary.
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» Indeed McCain is up: McCain 54, Obama 44
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» Intentionally stupid
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» Intentionally stupid enough to win-again
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» There are millions in Chicago, Philly, New York City, LA
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» RE: The Polls Don't Reflect This Thesis
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» Another four years (or more) of a "leader" of any kind is what scares me
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Posted by: Uriahz on Sep 9, 2008 12:32 AM
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Not to knock the guy. Maybe he's just the sort of man who really genuinely feels whatever he wants to feel at the time. There are several schools of approaching that challenge to be found in the acting field. Check out Antonin Artaud. Having a message that you agree with 80% certainly makes it easier. But really, is it THAT hard to give a rip-roaring barnburner of a political speech? I don't find it so amazing that this guy's a great speaker-- I find it amazing that he's the best damn speaker in a presidential campaign since Bobby Kennedy at least, maybe as far back as FDR. And he has some damn amazing speechwriters.
But seriously, the fan worship? Come on. The guy's charismatic and powerful, but his politician roots are showing to anyone with the mind to look. He's a phony. I happen to like phonies, but there's no denying the fact. He's a huckster.
I liked him in the primary because he's a better public speaker with much the same platform, and hence a better chance of winning. I like him now because he has a far superior platform than McCain, even though I admit he's just another politician. His public speaking skills are absolutely integral to his success, sure, but if you're seriously taken in by this guy you have a screw loose. He's just telling you what you want to hear, and doing it beautifully.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 AM
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Posted by: outsideagitator on Sep 9, 2008 12:49 AM
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I did not pay much attention to him until I watched him working the crowds in Iowa early in the primary season. I tuned in late and so missed the speech, but C-span kept following him around as he interacted with the folks that came out to hear him and I watched intently how they seemed to react to him. The sincere smiles and obvious pleasure while talking to him seemed genuine to me and he seemed to be really enjoying it and radiated sincerity...over the T.V. screen! I had never observed that before on tv.
I am to the left of most progressives and vote with and for Dems. because in my opinion its the only party where even part of my own political desires are likely to be realized. I know that he is a liberal and probably will have to be pressured to do the right thing if he is elected by the progressive part of the Dem. base, but somehow I think that maybe this time we got some one who will really listen and really try to do the right thing.
I like him a lot...he makes me feel good.
Joseph
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Posted by: ukeman on Sep 9, 2008 3:17 AM
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he's a black man, with a middle eastern name!
I mean how difficult does it need to be?
We've got the right minions all with their underwear in a bunch in what has to be the most weird combination of occurrences here, actually trying to justify getting excited about another 4 years.
When it takes a snide, divisive, lying, boastful, knee-capping woman, who happens to be an ultra fundamentalist to get the "holier than thou" crowd up again... talk about your ironies.
You know what?, if Obama doesnt win, I say that the best candidate couldnt win, and maybe it's time to let the suckers just pay the consequences ... and let them go down with the ship!
dam the torpedoes! they deserve it!
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 9, 2008 4:04 AM
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» RE: It's over for Obamarama/Biden!
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» RE: It's over for Obamarama/Biden!
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» RE: It's over for Obamarama/Biden! And we have NO plan for another stolen election
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» RE: It's over for Obamarama/Biden! And we have NO plan for another stolen election
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» But I'll bet if Obama wins
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» cj, I feel your pain
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» A teeny tiny bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing
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» RE: It's over for Obamarama/Biden!
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» RE: Only those who don't understand Polling buy Polls
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» Statistics 101
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» RE: It's over for Obamarama/Biden!
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» RE: It's over for Obamarama/Biden!
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Posted by: williameon on Sep 9, 2008 4:17 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Kick the Crooks out of Washington.
All the Lies,
All the Stolen Votes,
All the Spying, Stealing, Treason and Dying!
We are sick of it.
Change the Administration
Change the Government.
That's what we’re talking about.
The Corpirate Fascist Dictatorship ruining this Country.
Bush/McPain are clueless Aristo Trash.
Front men for The Alien Aristocracy
We are tired of
The Corpirate BU__! SH__!
It is a sham, they are old, crooked and corrupt.
They have failed the people.
GREED is Evil.
Relentless Corpirate GREED serves only one purpose
It enslaves you and makes the Billionaire Corpirates Richer.
What does Murdock and Bill Gates care about you?
Nothing!
They would rather drop a Bomb on you then buy you a sandwich.
Our Government is 77% Privatized.
Put that on CNN, Fox or any other FAUX Blues Channel
Tax breaks for the 15,000 Richest Families while our children starve.
The 15,000 Families that own 99% of everything and still want more.
When will it end?
When we throw the CROOKS out?
There is a difference between McSame and Change.
Hundreds of Military Bases around the world and NOTHING for you.
Billions for EXXon and nothing 4 U.
They will do anything to steal this Election.
Is that right?
Is the FAUX Corpirate Greedia right?
We live in a evil Propaganda Military Media Police State.
It is a crime.
Propaganda is a Crime.
Millions of Millions for Trillionaires and none for you.
That's a Crime!
Everyone in this country is aganist BUSH/Chainey & McSame
What space ship did the media just step off of.
One Voice rises up against the
Corporate Trash and a giant BLACK boot stomps him into the ground.
Take the money out of politics.
McPain will work for free.
What does that tell you?
What does a 72 year old Billionaire with eight mansions know about our problems?
$300,000 Dollar Earings?
Oh, that’s middle class to him!
He does he need a job for?
Everyone else is forced to retire except this a-sholes.
He just keeps coming.
Spewing BU__! SH__!
They have taken over the voting system.
They count the votes.
CHANGE is in order.
VOTE BUSH/McSAME OUT!
Or
Kick them out.
Give them a taste of their own medicine.
IMPEACH!
Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!
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» Huh??
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Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 9, 2008 4:15 AM
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But no one wants to hear this. They just want to satisfy their short term appetites, never mind the consequences. But the consequences arrive no matter what fantasies the people are fed by their political hucksters -- and those consequences are summed up in one word: ecocide, the death of a life-supporting planet.
On the other hand, McCain as President would probably provoke World War Three which would kill the Earth in a day, not a lingering ecocidal collapse.
So there is our REAL choice. Which mode of planetary death do we prefer: McCain's short track, or Obama's longer track? The destination is the same.
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» No, we are three voices.
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» Good. Let's keep adding voices to the chorus of survival.
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» baloney
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» baloney?
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» OK
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Posted by: ava1984 on Sep 9, 2008 4:57 AM
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Unfortunately, there are millions of people in our land who are as dumb as a sack of hair; and will go out of their dim way to find excuses to vote for MCShame.
If Obama can pull this off, and remain above it all, he will make more than history, he will represent a better America! And, the possibilities will be endless; because we will have shown ourselves to be better than we have been in many years!
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" HL Mencken
Here's hoping we can prove Mr. Mencken wrong; at last!
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Posted by: LOVELYT. on Sep 9, 2008 5:00 AM
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» RE: ALL THE MCSAME/PITPALIN LIES ARE SICKENING
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» But Obama is sinking into Kerryhood and not fighting back. He was awful on Olbermann yesterday.
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» Obama sold his progressive/liberal base voters out a long time ago and now GOD IS PUNISHING HIM !!!
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» I understand your rage, but here's a better idea:
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» And here's a better idea for you: Quit blaming the population like a Malthusian. It's the policies !
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» Obama will win by a landslide
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Posted by: seazen on Sep 9, 2008 5:11 AM
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1) He reflects the real future of the multi-cultural world we live in today - not because of his skim color but because of his personal life experiences. Everyone else screams of the past and an almost psychopathic need to go backwards.
2) He reawakens the sense of "we" in us - that it is, in fact, a country dedicated to the well-being of "We the People" and not the arrogant, aristocratic, "let them eat cake" group that runs the country today.
3) He has sustained an effort to refrain from the petty, cruel, and childish nonsense that has dominated politics and the right-wing airwaves for so long.
4) He is intelligent, he listens, and "talks" to us (and does great speeches, too) and that alone is a needed relief from the inane, controlled, and disdainful crud we have been subjected to for the past 8 years.
I really, really hope we vote for the smart ones this time. Three strikes and we are definitely out.
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» Obama does do all those things, well. But that won't win.
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» But Obama sold out his progressive/liberal base BIG TIME and now GOD IS MAKING HIM PAY THE PRICE !!!
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Posted by: nfamous on Sep 9, 2008 5:11 AM
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Any charismatic Democrat would be embraced after eight ears of criminality and a wrecked economy. Bush has set Americans up for the fall again because all forty-three presidents have made promises they couldn't keep and subsequently broke. It's called lying in layman's terms. Just because Obama is not white doesn't mean he will change this historical pattern of abuse. He represents the establishment. How could he really change anything and not be assassinated?
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» But Obama threw the progressive/liberal base out and now GOD IS PUNISHING HIM !!!
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Posted by: chlamor on Sep 9, 2008 5:13 AM
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Demobama: "We love the miltary, they are all heroes, we honor their service..."
Republicain: "I was the military; I should be honored..."
Demobama: "We don't oppose all war; we are just against the way war is handled."
Republicain: "Didn't you hear me? I am the military. Who can handle war better?"
Demobama: "Gas prices are really high. We favor all kinds of indistinct measures to fix them."
Republicain: "We favor the same indistinct shit (what is the harm?) plus we wanna drill everywhere - Hummers are us.
Demobama: "The economy is terrible. We want a middle class tax break."
Republicain: "We want a tax break for everybody - we are more egalitarian."
Demobama: "We want indistinct change and meaningless experience."
Republicain: "We want meaningless experience and indistinct change - better ordering."
Demobama: "Women's issues are really important. That is why we are for abortion."
Republicain: "Hell, we gotta a girl... err, 'woman'."
Demobama: "Since we live in a post racial era, our guy is black but it don't mean nothin'."
Republicain: "Since it don't mean nothin', we stopped paying attention."
Demobama: "We are really really smart and entitled. We should win."
Republicain: "Lots of people hate 'entitled'. We are billionaire homies."
Demobama: "We want to invite the Republicans into our ruling coalition."
Republicain: "We are Republicans. We don't need to invite nobody."
Demobama: "Don't worry, we won't really change too much."
Republicain: "Ditto..."
Demobama: "We are certain voters are stupid so we will wow 'em with fireworks and not distract them with substance."
Republicain: "We will see your 'stupid' and raise you ten thousand 'floating chrysanthemums of cynicism'."
...and so it goes.
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» McCain gets to claim being in the military. Most conservatives weirdly take credit for it, never. .
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» RE: They're back... and they're doin' it again.
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» And that's what's the FUCKING matter with America. TOO DYSFUNCTIONAL !!
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Posted by: progdem on Sep 9, 2008 5:41 AM
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And do we really need a 'I'm a cynical guy, but I am positively gushing over this Obama person'? Cynics don't gush. Chronicly dissapointed optimists gush when they get fooled into think their luck will change.
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Posted by: suckerbeagle on Sep 9, 2008 6:02 AM
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Posted by: taxidriver on Sep 9, 2008 6:02 AM
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Obama represents the American dream. He's not a privileged child of admirals, he's a biracial child raised by a single mom and his grandparents. He's not a hell-raising fighter jock and alpha male who objectifies women, but a thoughtful and ambitious politician who married an equal, not an heiress.
All that being said, many Americans can't get past his black face and funny-sounding name--and all the innuendo promoted by cynical right-wingers.
So I suppose we'll elect the "reformed" jet pilot jockey and the wet-behind-the-ears big game hunter.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Sep 9, 2008 6:21 AM
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» The choice is between a TREASONOUS old POW and an honest actor.
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» Girl... (a letter)
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» Are you for real?
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Posted by: phastphil on Sep 9, 2008 6:23 AM
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A wise man once said: "they will never remember what you said, but they will always remember the way you made them feel"
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 9, 2008 6:31 AM
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P.S:
Obama has pandered to the rightwing on virtually everything and that has angered me beyond the point of insanity. My wife was even more angered by Obama's waffling to pandering but would calm me down and remind me that when all is lost, there's Ralph Nader. And you wonder why more of Obama's base are switching to Indies such as Nader and Mckinney or don't even want to vote. Faux Noise and other media outlets wouldn't be chalked with hundreds of users talking Orwellian and going McSHIT if Obama had stayed a progressive/liberal populist in the first place and had actually challenged the establishment as he had originally promised in 2004.
And stay tuned as I get ready to present my entire take titled:
"What if Obama were actually a populist?"
You won't be disappointed, well sort of.
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» Abortion shouldn't even be brought up
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Posted by: bluetara on Sep 9, 2008 6:36 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 9, 2008 6:36 AM
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I was not around to see the last gilded age, but if it was as perverse as this current one, well it was truly a low point for Americans! That Sen. Obama can and has tapped into the emotional nerve and articulates well the feelings is what has helped to bring him to this point. Now if he can channel the anger that many have and talk with a more progressive voice, that will put him a league all his own.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 9, 2008 6:37 AM
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Jen
Is your ISP watching you?
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» RE: Simple
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» Simple but it WON'T win unless Obama gets some fangs
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Posted by: radical53 on Sep 9, 2008 6:44 AM
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To listen to the media and his political adversaries, you would think all he has going for him is his oratory. The Republicans take it a few steps further and put out Rovian lies about him.
The main thing Obama really offers is a change in the approach to politics in Washington. He is not a left-wing idealogue. He is about getting things done by negotiating the best deal he can get. His most recent demonstration of this approach is his energy proposal. Obama is not a fan of offshore oil drilling, but he is saying he will include some of it in his energy policy so he can get a more comprehensive program adopted. Obama is also proposing that the government set the political agenda and write the legislation, rather than just voting on laws written by multi-national corporations.
The old ideas of economic growth, health care reform, cleaning up the environment, more jobs, and improving international relations have been advanced with soaring oratory to try to get folks to vote for them. Based on the latest trends in the polls and the excitement over Sarah Palin, it appears that even a rock star can't get the majority of Americans to put any faith in its government.
To make matters worse, the national media's campaign of spin, confusion, and obfuscation is in full swing. Obama's proposed solutions to our problems are being cast as very complicated and confusing. I've listened time and again to Obama laying out his programs, followed by some nitwit saying he or she didn't hear any specifics. More recently, the media "examines" specific issues like the candidates' stands on taxes, energy, and the economy and comes to the conclusion that "it's all very complicated" and "you can't really tell". If you don't understand Obama's policies or you can't tell what his policies are, you might just settle for the status quo.
I'm afraid the American electorate is about to make their biggest mistake ever without considering the consequences. Four years of McCain will be hard to recover from.
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» BUT, Obama sold out his progressive/liberal base a long time ago and now GOD IS PUNISHING HIM !!!
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» RE: BUT, Obama sold out his progressive/liberal base a long time ago and now GOD IS PUNISHING HIM !!
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» RE: NADARITE KOOLAID DRINKER OR BARR???
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» Tell that to the growing number of pissed off progressive/liberal base voters brutally kicked out !
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» RE: NADARITE KOOLAID DRINKER OR BARR???
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» Nader's one of the few voices who's behind "We the People" - not the corporations
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Posted by: daniel1982 on Sep 9, 2008 7:00 AM
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Posted by: whathappened on Sep 9, 2008 7:03 AM
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Wake up people!!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 9, 2008 7:26 AM
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Is Obama perfect...No. I personally don't care for his healthj care plan- HR676 is far superior!
What Obama has Done- which he may regret later- is he has once again 'gathered the troops'.
Let's be honest the Womens Movement, environmentalists, Equal rights advocates, Corp & Gov't accountablity/legal responsibilty activists have been marginalized,sidelined and slandered since Reagan took Office!
Co9me On Matt- Train Obama may not reach every depot...But it will get US back on the tracks and heading in the Right Direction.
Having been a 'Lefty' since the '70's, I have come to see the uncompromising sect of the 'left' as much a barrier to progress as the zealot right!Thei rtactics are quite similar- anger fear hatred and Lies .FYI humans are Omnivores by Nature- biologically engineered to process meat proteins...We don't have a Cecum!So 'Animal Advocates' can be Duel dietarians- We want proper animal husbandry and care for meat producing animals too!WE eat the burger and thank the animal who was necesary for our continued duty as the Stewards of everything Else!So PETA has no concept or interest in the facts about TRUE Nature of things- they act like dumbasses, thus closing doors to US from discussing real Humane treatment of livestock animals with.
So those of US who've been a round a few blocks can't stand when ANYONE tries to jam shit down others throats!It's counterproductive, if not an outrright repellant to solving the real problems.
I can live with the fur coats, for now- i can't live with chickens being slammed against walls, or steers scooped up with front end loaders for processing.
GREAT OLD SONG LINE..."CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU TRY SOMETIMES YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED!"
Please Help US get what we need, out from under 40 yrs of CheneyCorp Rule!
OBAMA/BIDEN '08!!!
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Sep 9, 2008 7:32 AM
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Things will definitely change under Obama's leadership...how much will depend on US, and how we help shape his presidency by our own involvement.
I get a sense of genuineness from him that is instinctual in the same way that my revulsion over Bush/Cheney, Bush Sr., Reagan and Nixon was instinctual, from the beginning, to be borne out by their actions.
BTW; I take exception to Tiabbi's characterization of Howard Dean...when I first heard him announce his candidacy and declare himself against the illegal war in Iraq, I had the same sense of elation and, yes, Hope. We had just come back via an overnight bus trip, from DC, marching for the umpteenth time against the Iraq War, and this miserable criminal administration, and he was indeed a breath of fresh air...just like Obama!
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Posted by: solrev on Sep 9, 2008 7:35 AM
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You have to be ready to on day one, there is no on the job training for President. Palin may be inexperienced but she can learn as she goes.
Obama is just a rock star now we have a rock star.
Obama has a bad preacher now Palin brings us a bad preacher.
Obama has a nice young family no one wonder he talks about the future, now we have a young family.
Never have I seen an election when so many people were talking out of both sides of their mouth. Rove must really be running scared because; he duplicated for McCain every criticism he made of Obama. Good or bad we have to look like Obama is Rove’s strategy. We are just like Obama but we are not black.
A war dog and a pit bull, I will put my money on the peacemakers, The republican base may be fired up because they fill they are back in the game, but the past will come back to haunt them. They can not escape the evil of their ways; democrats and republicans are not the only ones speaking. There is another, that is, change you can believe in. Obama will win the hearts and minds of the people with 64%.
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Posted by: wcscheurer on Sep 9, 2008 7:47 AM
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The sad part is to watch him wrestle with almost being seduced himself. Who can blame him though? Hope springs eternal.
Matt, please don't forget the cardinal rule of journalism: "Never make friends with the band!"
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Posted by: itzamirakul on Sep 9, 2008 7:48 AM
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What more can he say? Everything boils down to this. You can call people liars, talk about their churches and ministers, and all manner of unpleasant things but the bottom line is..."What do the voters want?"
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Greg Palast has discovered that Republican officials in swing states are purging blacks from voter rolls, and that - this really alarms me - you can be purged from the voting rolls if your house is foreclosed upon. (Wow, that's really scary.) The Repubs are taking full advantage of that, too.
Palast is looking to raise $ to air this findings on a paid TV slot.
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 9, 2008 8:24 AM
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McCain doesn't care about FLDS women and children stripped of their democratic rights and in their 8th generation of white slavery and mind control.
I recognize fundamentalist white supremacy when I see and hear it, and I saw it in the sea of pale faces at the RNC, and I heard it when Palin spoke to McCain's republican congregation. Palin fits right in with polygamous women in Colorado City, Arizona where down syndrome babies/teenage pregnancy are the norm, and women are pawns to further the white patriarchal agenda.
Polygamous women only speak to the press when they are told to, and they must follow the script.
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Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Sep 9, 2008 8:44 AM
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Russia is having naval maneuvers with Venezuela. Russia is attempting to reestablish friendly relations with China and Cuba. Russia is assisting Iran in building a nuclear plant Russia is selling Iran Anti-Aircraft weapons to defend any future weapons, missiles or nuclear weapons from Israeli or American Air Craft.
Many "real and present dangers" are out there and it is not time to put a person with his limited experience in the White House. We need a man or women that will not say "Present" when the missiles are flying.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 9, 2008 8:50 AM
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I did notice the acts tickets were given for did happen to be 'white' acts. Maybe he had some George Clinton/Parliment shows he did givaways for,but that damn sure never made the press in whiter sides of the country.
I think if you're going to prove you're really worth voting for,the money collected,in Obama's case over a quater of a billion dollars, then instead of bailing out your opponets campaign,you give some money to unfunded youth centers in rural America,make a kickdown to a free clinic,put some current teaching books in small underfunded schools, put up a little seed money for a park playground, take a million dollars per state and buy school supplies for the kids,you'd still have two hundred million left to buy ad space with.
Good PR is pushing the Hope button quite hard making Mr. Obama look like someone that could truly unite us in a way never before seen in this country,but..... If it proves out to be the same old campaign jargon that's just empty promises,there's no amount of PR that will save the democrats from the backlash of a society that has been let down again by another slick talking politician. That backlash would be justified and necessary to regain our lost Freedom,Liberty and trust in our system of governance.
Write-in Jeffrey7 for President '08
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE
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Posted by: Wildman on Sep 9, 2008 8:57 AM
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No joke.
Part of Obama’a appeal is that he makes us feel like hope and faith are essential to the greatness of people. He is the Frank Kapra movie we all need. I hate to see him get down in the mud with the Repubs. When he calls them on their lies, (which he must do over and over) he needs to do more than expose their cynicism, he needs to continue to rise above them and call upon all of us in the audience to believe real hard and keep tinker bell alive. Palin and McCain want to hunt and kill Tinker bell from airplanes. We must all save hope and faith together.
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Posted by: Dboy on Sep 9, 2008 8:57 AM
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To answer the question by continuing the analogy, the reason Obama resonates with millions is because he is an echo chamber.
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Posted by: hollymoodyb on Sep 9, 2008 8:59 AM
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What I do agree with in this story is the fact that we need to hear some serious plans on policy issues. Yes, Obama is hitting on the "normal" democratic issues. For many of us those are really important; it is a part of who we are and what we value. But we also need to hear how he will adjust his policy to live up to our common goals, yet meet the needs of our changing society, indeed, the world.
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Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 9, 2008 9:31 AM
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YES WE CAN!
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Posted by: picket on Sep 9, 2008 9:34 AM
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The Dems have fallen for the Abortion debate again... a losing discussion. The Rebubs have a winning STRATEGY. I am for Obama BUT the PERCEPTION of him A young man in a white shirt, sleeves rolled up and lecturing a class.
OK...sorry..BUT GALLUP Poll:
McCain pre-convention with Independents 40%
McCain post-convention with Independents52%
The good news Palin does not have a clean record ...stories developing every day.
The bad new "just wait until Obama is elected" things will change , don't say anything NOW." Losing strategy....
Biden et el....Zzzzzzzzz
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Posted by: liberalibrarian on Sep 9, 2008 9:44 AM
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Have you, have we all gotten so jaded that we can't believe for one minute that yes, this guy is as sincere as it gets? As sincere as it gets...that is wayyy more sincere than we have seen for thirty years, especially in the last eight.
Why do you think that teacher teaches? Why do I work for peanuts as a librarian? (who has also faced down censorship at a county
level...)
Because I want to help people, that's right folks! I love this country so I stand up against censorship, I'm careful to ensure confidentiality...all that and more you get.
Matt Taibbi, you've seen the belly of the beast. Do me a favor. Shake off the foreboding feeling that Obama might not be quite as wonderful as perceived, he's human; or maybe he is as great as all that. One thing I do know: he's smarter. Way smarter than the other guy/gal. That's the first criterion on my list.
Sometimes someone does rise up in this country and save the day...I don't mean any inference to some undeserved personality cult, or anything supernatural and certainly don't think he or anyone else is called by oh, Diety. But I do think that we need to let his man try to help us or we're doomed.
If anyone is fomenting a personality cult it's the Republicans with Palin. That's all that is: the woman is unbelievably right wing fanatical. And dangerous.
You should know this better than most.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 9, 2008 9:53 AM
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It's a small-town value to teach abstinence-only sex education, then see your daughter get knocked up because she doesn't know what a penis and vagina do, then tell the entire nation how wonderfully that program works.
It's a small town value to even mention to a town's librarian that books should be banned in the public library.
It's a small town value to leave said small town in gigantic debt and with a lawsuit in tow.
It's certainly a small-town value to be affiliated with a separatist political group which openly mocks the US government.
How about this small-town value. Shooting animals from helicopters.
This is my favorite small-town value. Not knowing what science is or what it does. Small-town values are that religious instruction should not only be in a science class but it should eventually supplant science as a good educational foundation. Small-town values consist of flaunting Supreme Court decisions and finding any way possible to negate them. To wit, the imminent disappearance of Roe v. Wade and the Dover, PA decision to prevent religious instruction in science classrooms. Jesus wouldn't approve of either decision, so small-town values insists that they be eliminated at all costs.
One of my other favorite small-town values is how important Israel is to the overall health of the US, how End Times eschatology is far superior to a good understanding of international relations. Small-towns usually have important dealings with heads of dictator-led nations, thus the politicos in those small towns are far more aware of how to deal with them than anyone else. It's just common sense. Small-town common sense.
Small town values depend on oil companies to explain what climate change is and to help you understand that people have nothing to do with it. Nothing at all. Zero. Zilch. Climate change proponents are just trying to destroy our robust economy. How dare they! It's common sense not to do that.
Small town inhabitants know that only a man and woman can marry. All gays have to do is find a wife or husband and they can certainly get married! That's logical. No nation on the planet has survived very long if they don't understand that. That's why God has smitten Canada and the Netherlands with plagues, pestilence and their rightly-deserved place in the world: as backward nations in need of a handout. Small towns know precisely how God deals with those kinds of countries. They've become hellholes. That explains why Massachusetts and California have caused the entire nation to become disease-ridden. And the direct correlation to the number of healthy heterosexual marriages that have been negatively affected by this - this - mockery of marriage is astounding. No, gays can't get married unless they have the 'gay prayed away'.
Really. Small-town values?
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 9, 2008 9:55 AM
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1. The average IQ is 100. A 100 IQ is fairly dim-witted for modern life, and since it is the average, half of people have an IQ less than that. These people do not, and will never, have the ability to think anything other than what they are told. As long as the mainstream media pumps Palin as a MILF (with the subtle porno undertones that go with it) and McCain as a "real man" who dates strippers and played Rambo, there is no hope that a black man who talks about issues in a sophisticated manner can win.
2. Among those who might not be totally dim-witted on a genetic level, there is a nonetheless a powerful psychology of previous investment, as well as preservation of self-esteem, at work here. All the obese, tattooed, NASCAR-watching Americans stuck with adjustable rate mortgages on plywood McMansions and rusting SUVs in the yard are faced with the fact that their version of America has failed. Accepting the need to change one's ways is hard - it's easier to embrace McCain's call to "stand for America," that is, we're going to fight for the America of SUVs and fast-food by waging total war to get the last oil in the ground. Make no mistake, all the losers in America will gladly drop some nukes to get Caspian sea oil rather than face the undeniably reality that they're losers who messed up and that their society's a laughable flop.
3. The same psychology of previous investment is evident in evangelical Christians. Not only must they face up to the fact that they screwed up America with their votes, but this is hard for them to do since they were divinely appointed by God to save America. If they were wrong on that, what else might they be wrong on?
In short, America is pitiful, laughable nation of losers. When their feeble old man and dim-witted gal Friday take the stage after being introduced by closeted homosexual Phil Graham, it's an image of America as it is. And like America, the Republican ticket is weak, intellectually inferior, and lumbering forward determined to fight to its death rather than face up to what it has become.
For those of us who aren't fast-food addicts trapped in cheaply-built McMansions with rusting SUVs, I say, learn how to grow your own food, get somewhere safe, be prepared. America is unraveling and all the "plunge protection" hijinks are going to come crashing down after election day. In a best case scenario, things are going to crash so bad that McPalin will be irrelevant, because government itself will become dysfunctional in the crash.
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Posted by: thinks4herself2008 on Sep 9, 2008 10:28 AM
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Obama is playing the cerebral gentleman card like Kerry did, and we saw how well that went. I watched him answering simple questions put to him by Olbermann last night, and he was absolutely BORING! Obama needs to get the lead out of his ass and lead the charge!
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Sep 9, 2008 12:07 PM
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This is obvious just in talking with neighbors or friends who are Obama supporters: they often have no idea how he's voted or what his positions are; peace-movement activists turn out to have no idea what he would really do about Iraq. Something is going on way beyond, or below, rationality.
If he's elected, we better hope he's really a good guy with few corporate strings, or we're screwed beyond anything that poor dumb-ass pretending to be a President has done.
Of course, this makes it even stranger that O is presently polling even with McCain. The Democrats' structural advantages, in registrations, in Bush's approval ratings, over ANY Republican, are overwhelming. I find it hard to believe that there is the slightest doubt whether Obama will win in November.
Let's all think hard about this: why would the Democrats be throwing away this election? Is there some reason they don't want full, unquestioned accountability for the events of the next four years? Or do they just need it to be really close?
Remember: even paranoids can have real enemies, and this is POLITICS.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 9, 2008 12:12 PM
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One should take time off the media glitz and sit down and understand what has actually been happening for a while. It's not that voters are suddenly giving Mccain an unexpected surge in the polls simply because he chose a woman. And I seriously doubt that they would have done the same if Obama had put any female candidate on the ticket. Folks, it's the lack of populism that has hurt Obama. However, Obama isn't alone. For about 3 decades, the Democrats have abandoned the idea of being populists at all, from campaigning to legislating. Even when Democrats did win on a populist style campaigning, be it Clinton in 1992 or the Democrats in 2006, as soon as they were in, they lost. But you see, genuine populism is not limited to campaign mode at all. Once elected, campaign mode switches to
legislating mode and this is where the true test of populism lies. There are a number of issues where Barack Obama's votes have proven controversial and those votes are not where he voted liberal/progressive. The controversial votes are where he sided with the opposition against the will of the people when he had no business doing so and had nothing to lose by staying populist progressive/liberal. The list is huge but here's the breakdown of the major issues:
1. Shoving corporate wrongdoing court cases to federal court where the cases are most likely to be thrown out.
2. Not voting to clamp down on the Bankruptcy Overhaul Bill although he did vote against it. Picking Joe Biden pretty much takes that issue off the table which might have helped him reach out to voters defrauded by the credit card companies these last 8 years.
3. His failure to stand up to bad drug policies and his flip-flopping on whether to make Cannabis legal along with choosing drug czar Joe Biden.
4. Failure to stand up to reckless spending on the Iraq war-turned-occupation. Like Hillary and Mccain, he too supports more spending. Now where do you suppose all the money's really coming from? We're borrowing from China if not the taxpayers and the results won't be pretty. He voted Condi Rice for Secretary. Also, going on television and criticizing people fed up with the war-turned-occupation in Iraq. Add to it, going on the Bill O'LIEly show and surrending to the "surge has worked in iraq" lie !
5. Trade and Labor. Though he voted against CAFTA, he pretty much supported most "free" trade scams and even has staunch pro "free" trade hacks as economic advisors. In addition, the NAFTA scandal with Canada and his handling of it. Picking "free" trade hacks as economic advisors is NOT a sign of change. On labor, he has no intention of undoing the damage on labor unions and is perfectly "fine" with keeping them shut and busted ! Besides, he's a darling of Wall $treet !
6. Lack of support for single payer healthcare and yet still supporting Big Pharma and Insurance over the people's healthcare needs. He also has no intention to reign in Big Agri and especially Big Corn and is just "fine" with keeping those pro-corporate factory farm subsidies going. And it won't be surprising to see him supporting NAIS (Big Brother against small farmers for grass fed meat and diary).
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8. Privacy Rights. If Obama's counting on young voters, it's too bad the young voters do not yet know that Obama is no different from the GOP on going against privacy rights. Interestingly, Obama supported the reauthorization of the Patriot Act and extending blanket "immunity" for Big Telco to "shield" them from charges of wrongdoing against their customers. To make matters worse, his pick of Joe Biden who supports the RIAA and Big Media against consumer rights and is in favor of slapping million dollar fines against p2p downloaders who are sick and tired of obscenely high prices on crappier quality further questions Obama's support of people versus the monied elites.
9. Making a big deal about religion and trying to "compromise" with evanglicals. His support of expanding Bush's faith based programs especially when it comes to allowing employers to hire, fire, and even discriminate based on religion is very disturbing and shows that Obama has no intent on standing up to the religious fundies.
10. Continuing Bush and Clinton's "faith based" idea of throwing money at the problem such as the case of Big Auto. Instead of making the employer come clean and pay its employees its benefits, Obama signed a legislation to simply pass our taxpayer money to those employees while the CEO stayed rich. And to top it, Obama said that from there, he had "faith" that the company would be "stimulated" into producing fuel efficient vehicles. I mean, come on ! That obviously hasn't happened and the greedy CEOs are still laughing away more m.oney at the bank and more gas guzzlers are given higher priority for sales over fuel efficient types. You can't do everything "faith based" and expect "fair" play ! And even as oil prices have climbed, very little has changed. Besides, why is Obama supporting Big Auto over fixing the public transportation infrastructure which America VERY BADLY needs? Carl Levin and John Dingell are not progressives. They're corporatists !
11. Promising to make a change in Washington once elected to Senate only to copy John Mccain and do nothing. In fact, he made that clear when he said that he will only change if the system "lets" him. Well ? That's not courage. It is COWARDICE. And his showing up on the rightwing media and allowing them to BULLY him further shows that he is UNFIT to stand up to those rightwing bullies !.
12. He gives a very weak presentation on alternative fuels and has been silent on the tax breaks being removed for solar and wind all the while more subsidization to oil, coal, gas, and nuclear. Maybe that's why he changed his mind on Cannabis and decided to keep it "illegal". He has been completely silent on solar and wind technologies which indicates lack of interest in getting America the FUCK out of dependence on foreign oil and ending these bloody wars for oil ! He has also raked in huge contributions from Big Oil, Coal, and Nuclear. Maybe that's why Obama decided to say yes to more oil drilling offshore despite the fact that it would take years for that oil to actually make it to the market. Moreover, the yield could be far less. However, further SEVERE DAMAGE to the environment and health is guarenteed.
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