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Election 2008

Top Ten Most Disturbing Facts and Impressions of Sarah Palin

By AlterNet Staff, AlterNet. Posted September 2, 2008.


It's not hard to stir up negative publicity when you advocate gunning down wolves from airplanes and deny the human causes of climate change.
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Sarah Palin was named John McCain's vice presidential nominee just three days ago, yet it seems that weeks have passed in terms of the mountains of controversy it has stirred up. An overwhelming amount of negative publicity and sometimes shocking information has come out about her and her relatively short political career.

Choosing Palin has been called alternately a brilliant stroke that reinforces McCain's maverick image and a desperate, irresponsible "Hail Mary" pass in the face of an almost sure defeat in November. The fundamental question being raised: Why Palin? True, her personal narrative has lots of color: former fisherman, NRA hunter, mother of five, small-town mayor, short-term governor of a state with a small population, etc. But that does not qualify her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Anathema to Moderates, Liberals and Progressives

George Lakoff, in an accompanying article, lists some of the issues swirling around Palin:

She is inexperienced, knowing little or nothing about foreign policy or national issues; she is really an anti-feminist, wanting the government to enter women's lives to block abortion, but not wanting the government to guarantee equal pay for equal work, or provide adequate child health coverage, or child care, or early childhood education; she shills for the oil and gas industry on drilling; she denies the scientific truths of global warming and evolution; she misuses her political authority; she opposes sex education and her daughter is pregnant; and, rather than being a maverick, she is on the whole a radical right-wing ideologue.
Part of the shock that many are grappling with: How could a 72-year-old man with bouts of cancer choose someone who appears to be completely unqualified to become president? Thus, McCain's age and health become central issues in the campaign, as does his judgment, although it may be tricky for Democrats to raise these issues without creating some backlash.

As Democratic strategist Paul Begala notes: "It is interesting that McCain passed over Tom Ridge, a decorated combat hero, a Cabinet secretary and the former two-term governor of the large, complex state of Pennsylvania; Mitt Romney, who ran a big state, Massachusetts, a big company, Bain Capital, and a big event, the Olympics; and Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Texas senator who is knowledgeable about the military, good on television and -- obviously -- a woman."

Not Good in the Polls

Republican pollster Frank Luntz, working with the AARP, did some focus groups of "undecided" voters and found some bad news for John McCain:
They don't like his choice of Sarah Palin for vice president. Only one person said Palin made him more likely to vote for McCain; about half the 25-member group raised their hands when asked if Palin made them less likely to vote for McCain. They had a negative impression of Palin by a 2-1 margin ... a fact that was reinforced when they were given hand-dials and asked to react to Palin's speech at her first appearance with McCain on Friday -- the dials remained totally neutral as Palin went through her heart-warming(?) biography, and only blipped upward when she said she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere -- which wasn't quite the truth, as we now know.
Then there was this, from a woman named Teresa, who went to the Democratic convention as a Hillary delegate and is leaning toward voting for McCain -- obviously the target audience for the Palin pick: "His age didn't really bother me until he picked Palin. What if he dies in office and leaves us with her as president? Also she leans toward the rigid right, and I always thought he was a moderate. ... You know, I change my mind almost every day, but right now I'm wondering where the John McCain I really liked in 2000 went. What happened to the moderate? This John McCain has the look of someone who is being manipulated -- probably by Karl Rove."
A commentator to the article appearing on the Time Magazine blog BlankSlate wrote:
Only someone in the throes of a serious mental condition could have make a pick this astonishing. This focus group confirms the Rasmussen Reports polling that, among undecided voters, the Palin pick makes 6 percent more likely to vote for McCain and 31 percent less likely to vote for McCain. About 59 percent of these undecided voters do not think Palin is qualified to be president. It is a stunt gone terribly amiss. And the hilarious thing is that the right wing really believes that this is going to turn everything around. Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Local Media Unhappy with Palin

Greg Mitchell, the editor of Editor & Publisher, checked out the Alaska newspapers to see how they felt about their governor. He found that they were nervous to say the least:
The pages and Web sites of the two leading papers up there have raised all sorts of issues surrounding Palin, from her ethics problems to general lack of readiness for this big step up. Right now the top story on the Anchorage Daily News Web site looks at new info in what it calls "troopergate" and opens: "Alaska's former commissioner of public safety says Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain's pick to be vice president, personally talked to him on two occasions about a state trooper who was locked in a bitter custody battle with the governor's sister."
A reporter for the Anchorage Daily News, Gregg Erickson, even did an online chat with the Washington Post in which he revealed that Palin's approval rating in the state was not the much-touted 80 percent, but rather 65 percent and sinking -- and that among journalists who followed her, it might be in the "teens." He added: "I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president."

His paper found a number of leading Republican officeholders in the state who mocked Palin's qualifications. "She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Lyda Green, the president of the state senate, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"

And from the editorial in the Anchorage Daily News: "It's stunning that someone with so little national and international experience might be heartbeat away from the presidency."

What's Next?

With the Republican National Convention delayed by Hurricane Gustav's arrival on U.S. shores, there must be lots of discussion and soul-searching going on in Republican circles as to how the Palin candidacy will hold up over the next two months. The biggest question perhaps is whether the McCain inner circle, perhaps in a major concession to the extreme right wing, which hasn't been friendly to McCain, has made a drastic error to woo its support. Or in fact, as some would suggest, McCain is crazy like a fox. Under that scenario, Palin will weather the initial avalanche of negative publicity that paints her far outside of the political mainstream, and she undermines many of McCain's efforts to appear to be the maverick moderate. Palin becomes a strong campaigner, and her extreme positions get lost in her efforts to support McCain.

AlterNet editors have collected a list some of the major issues that are bubbling up about Palin. Here are our top 10 most disturbing facts, rumors and impressions of Sarah Palin, gathered in the past two days:

1: Palin supports gunning down wolves from planes

Sarah Palin is no friend of wildlife. And let's not blame this on her being a hunter. Plenty of subsistence hunters respect animals. But Palin reportedly came out against legislation introduced by Rep. George Miller, a member of the House Natural Resources Committee, that would "end Alaska's policy of allowing people to shoot wolves from airplanes."

Miller is among a large number of folks who believe the practice is not only cruel, it's unnecessary (proponents say it is to keep caribou and moose numbers up for other hunters) and a violation of federal law banning airborne hunting.

Palin has also tried to make gunning down wolves (and even bears) from the air easier and financially rewarding.

As the Huffington Post reported:
Last year, the state offered a $150 bounty as an incentive for pilots and aerial gunners to kill more wolves. And leading up to this week's statewide vote on Measure 2 to stop the aerial shooting of wolves and bears, Palin's Board of Game spent $400,000 of public money on brochures and radio ads to influence the election. She not only took an inhumane and unsporting position at odds with the principles of wildlife management and fair chase, but did it in an undemocratic and underhanded way.
Palin has been said to have a "failing record" on wildlife -- including being in favor of drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge -- and she has opposed efforts to protect beluga whales in the Cook Inlet (whose numbers have dropped to just 375) because it might adversely affect the oil and gas industries.

2: Palin doesn't believe global warming is man-made

At every campaign stop, McCain says that human activity is the driving force behind global climate change.

For the first time in its history, the GOP caught up to the rest of the planet by accepting the reality of man-made climate change in its 2008 platform. It reads, "The same human activity that has brought freedom and opportunity to billions has also increased the amount of carbon in the atmosphere," and "increased atmospheric carbon has a warming effect on the earth."

But Palin is among the conservative fringe that rejects the scientific consensus. According to the Washington Post, "Sarah Palin told voters there she wasn't sure climate change wasn't simply part of a natural warming cycle." Palin told the conservative Web site NewsMax, "I'm not one ... who would attribute it to being man-made."

This may help explain why Palin announced this year that Alaska would sue the Department of the Interior over its decision to add the polar bear to its list of endangered species. If people are "over-reacting" to global warming, as Palin has said, then the polar bears' rapidly dwindling habitat should be fine and those bears can fend for themselves. As Palin explained in an op-ed in the New York Times, "I strongly believe that adding them to the list is the wrong move at this time. ... The Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental group, has argued that global warming and the reduction of polar ice severely threatens the bears' habitat and their existence. In fact, there is insufficient evidence that polar bears are in danger of becoming extinct within the foreseeable future."

3: Palin is the candidate of powerful far right-wing cabal; her nomination seals their support for the little-wanted McCain

As Max Blumenthal reports:
Last week ... the country's most influential conservatives met quietly in Minneapolis to get to know Sarah Palin. The assembled were members of the Council for National Policy, an ultra-secretive cabal that networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.
CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges. ... This year, thanks to Sarah Palin's selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.
What happened at the secret meeting was the topic of online commentary by one of its attendees, top Dobson/Focus on the Family flack Tom Minnery.
Minnery described the mood as CNP members watched Palin: "And I have to tell you, that speech -- people were on their seats applauding, cheering, yelling ... That room in Minneapolis watching on the television screen was electrified. I have not seen anything like it in a long time."
Minnery added that his boss, Dobson, has yearned for a conservative female leader like Margaret Thatcher to emerge on the American scene. And while Palin is no Thatcher, "she has not rejected the feminine side of who she is, so for that reason, she will be attractive to conservative voters."
The members of the Council for National Policy are the hidden hand behind McCain's Palin pick. With her selection, the Republican nominee is suddenly -- and unexpectedly -- assured of the support of a movement that once opposed his candidacy with all its might. Case in point: While Dobson once said he could "never" vote for McCain, he issued a statement last week hailing Palin as an "outstanding" choice. If Dobson's enthusiasm for Palin is any indication, he may soon emerge from his bunker in Colorado Springs to endorse McCain, providing the Republican nominee with the support of the Christian right's single most influential figure.
4: Palin staunchly opposes abortion, even in cases of rape and incest

Sarah Palin is strongly anti-choice, but she has taken her views on abortion to an extreme that may prove unpopular even among Republicans. Palin only supports abortion if the mother's health is in danger. Rape and incest don't register with her as legitimate reasons to honor a woman's right to choose -- not even if the women is her own daughter. In 2006, when her daughter Bristol was only 14, Palin said that she would not support choice even if her daughter were raped.

She made that announcement at a time when Alaska was plagued with a rape rate more than twice as high as the national average.

"This is absolutely outside the mainstream. Even in South Dakota they rejected (outlawing abortion in cases of rape) in '06 because it has gone too far and everyone can identify that in a case of rape or incest a woman should have the chance to make the decision with their family or doctor," Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro Choice America, told the Huffington Post. "Women voters are going to reject both her and John McCain, and I think we see it specifically because we reach out to Republicans and independent pro-choice women. They live in the suburbs and exurbs. They are very much part of the mainstream America. And woman in general will reject that ticket."

5: Palin takes unnecessary risks with the health of her own child, supports failed abstinence-only programs

Amid the now-disproven rumors that the Palins' fifth child, Trig, was the son of her 17-year-old daughter, are reports that Sarah Palin seriously endangered her child during labor. Palin was in Texas delivering a speech when she allegedly began to leak amniotic fluid. Instead of immediately checking into a hospital, Palin finished her speech. She then flew to Anchorage, Alaska, where she drove to a hospital 45 minutes away to give birth.

Palin's apparent need to rush to Alaska for the delivery helped fuel rumors she was faking the pregnancy to cover for her daughter. Now that the story has proven to be false, it nevertheless raises questions about Palin's judgment. In this case, she seems to have taken unnecessary risks in the delivery of her child. As the past eight years have shown us, the last thing we need is a reckless politician in office.

And speaking of unsound judgment, her daughter's pregnancy demonstrates seriously poor decision making -- not on the part of Bristol but by conservative politicians like Palin and McCain, who have decided that the best way to ensure kids learn about sex is by depriving them of information. Palin is a firm supporter of abstinence-until-marriage sex education, despite the fact that numerous studies show that abstinence-only sex education does not delay sexual activity and may in fact lead to unsafe sex practices.

It would be cheap to trade on the irony that a firm backer of abstinence-only sex ed is now the mother of a pregnant teen. But it does need to be noted that many pregnant teens do not have the financial and emotional supports that Bristol appears lucky to have. Palin's abstinence-only stance on sex ed, like McCain's, is wrong because it puts everyone's kids in danger.

6: Palin is under investigation for allegedly abusing her power as governor to help her sister in a messy divorce

Politicians are supposed to recuse themselves, or step away from matters, when there is a conflict of interest. Yet according to the Washington Post and other news outlets, Palin "has been embroiled in a bitter family feud that has drawn in the state police, the attorney general, the governor's office and the state legislature." In fact, a "bipartisan state legislative panel has appointed a special prosecutor to investigate whether Palin improperly brought the family fight into the governor's office," the newspaper reports.

At issue is whether Palin and her staff pressured and then fired the public safety commissioner, Walter Monegan, because he did not fire Palin's ex-brother-in-law, Mike Wooten, from the state police after he apparently threatened her sister and other family members, including her father, in 2005. The Post reported that Palin heard Wooten "threatening to kill their father" for helping his daughter obtain a divorce. Palin, who did not call the police that day, later reported the incident.

Upon becoming governor, Palin and her staff asked Monegan to fire Wooten, but the state's top cop replied that the matter had been investigated and had been closed. In July, Palin fired Monegan. The state legislature subsequently launched an investigation into whether she had improperly used her office's power. A report is due in October.

The so-called troopergate incident apparently is not the first time Palin fired police officers for failing to follow her wishes, according to Andrew Sullivan at TheAtlantic.com.

Sullivan cites an Anchorage Daily News report from December 1997 when, as mayor of Wasilla, Palin faced a recall "in response to Palin's controversial firing of Police Chief Irl Stambaugh." Sullivan reports that Stambaugh and another city official, the library director, Mary Ellen Emmons, were fired for "not fully supporting her efforts to govern."

"Both had publicly supported Palin's opponent, longtime mayor John Stein, during the campaign last fall," the Sullivan report said. "When she was elected, Palin questioned their loyalty and even initially asked for their resignations."

7: Palin lied about her plans for the "Bridge to Nowhere"

When accepting the GOP's nomination for vice president, Sarah Palin took credit for killing a controversial bridge project in Alaska dubbed the Bridge to Nowhere: "I told Congress, 'Thanks but no thanks on that Bridge to Nowhere,'" she exclaimed to a cheering audience in Ohio. But it turns out that her relationship with the bridge wasn't that cut and dry.

The Gravina Island Bridge would have linked the town of Ketchikan to its international airport, which is extremely difficult to get to by car, as it is on Gravina Island (there is currently a ferry in place to shuttle people to and fro). The bridge was to be federally funded but was quickly labeled a pork barrel project by many conservatives in Washington, including McCain.

So maybe it was an eagerness to please her new boss that caused Palin to lie to the American people right out of the gate. Who can say? But thanks to reports from the Washington Post and the Anchorage Daily News, we are now aware that that is exactly what she has done.

It turns out that initially Palin was a big fan of the bridge -- although it could be that Palin wasn't so much a fan of the bridge as she was a fan of telling Ketchikan's 14,000 residents that she was while on the campaign trail in September 2006. "She was the only candidate who was saying, 'We're going to build that bridge,'" former governor Tony Knowles, a Democrat who lost to Palin in the 2006 general election, told the Washington Post. "She's taking a position now which certainly wasn't what it was when she was campaigning."

After a long fight about how much federal assistance should be granted to Alaska for the bridge, Congress decided to grant Alaska a lump sum of $454 million to spend on general infrastructure projects, instead of specifically earmarking federal money for what had become a very unpopular project.

Even then, though, there where plans for the bridge. It wasn't until September 2007, a year after her promise to the people of Ketchikan, that Palin finally shut down the project, citing overspending. As Keith Ashdown, an investigator with Taxpayers for Common Sense, told the Post: "She made the final decision to kill a very bad project, so she deserves credit for that. But she didn't do it as an ideological opponent of earmarks. She did it as someone who had to balance the books."

Palin lied to her constituents about getting the bridge done, and now she is lying to the American people about what her position was in the first place. It looks like Palin isn't the type of politician who would clean up Washington after all.

8: A so-called political reformer, Palin has big money ties to Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who has been indicted for political corruption

Former Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neil was known for political witticisms, including "Dance with the one that brung ya." That refers to being loyal to your supporters through the thick and thin of political life. According to the Washington Post's The Trail, from 2003 to 2005, Palin was one of three directors of "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. A "527" refers to a section of the tax code governing such campaign groups.

"Palin, an anti-corruption crusader in Alaska, had called on Stevens to be open about the issues behind the investigation," the Post reported. "But she also held a joint news conference with him in July, before he was indicted, to make clear she had not abandoned him politically."

Stevens, who is running for re-election this year, was inducted by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., this summer for failing to disclose sizeable gifts from a now-defunct Alaskan oil company, including assistance with renovating a vacation home.

The Post report said that Stevens agreed to lend his name to the campaign committee, but it did not say how much was raised or how the funds were distributed. A report on the group at the CampaignMoney.com Web site also does not list funds raised or spent.

It is not inconsistent that Palin would have been able to muscle major oil companies into making financial concessions for the benefit of Alaskans as governor -- and would have raised funds from those same corporations, the largest doing business in the state, as a director of a 527 group. Such clout is part and parcel of modern campaigns and governing. While much remains unknown about Palin's role as a fundraiser for Steven's 527, her role as a white knight reformer of Alaskan politics has some shades of gray -- as anyone who follows money in politics in small states will affirm.

9: Palin exploits her son's Iraq service for political gain

Taking the stage alongside John McCain last Friday, it took no time for Palin to play the 9/11 card. "On September 11th of last year," she announced, "our son enlisted in the United States Army. … And on September 11th, Track will deploy to Iraq. ... And Todd and I are so proud of him and of all the fine men and women serving this country."

Palin's public pride in her son served a purpose, one the media dutifully picked up. As campaign operatives rebuffed charges that Palin is unprepared, they reached for her son's military service. Confronted with her admission that she has "not paid much attention" to the war in Iraq, one guest told Hardball's Chris Matthews that, as a military mother, "she pays attention to it with her heart."

Maybe so, but Palin is hardly alone. The 2008 presidential race is remarkable in that three of the candidates have sons in the active duty military. But standard practice seems to be not to discuss it publicly.

Take John McCain. His son Jimmy returned from Iraq in February. "We have two sons in the military," he told Sean Hannity, "but we never talk about it, if that's all right." Similarly, Joe Biden, whose son Beau will deploy to Iraq in October, has kept uncharacteristically quiet about it.

So what gives Palin license to wear her son's military service on her sleeve?

Simple: She's a mom.

Palin's uber-motherhood is already the stuff of legend and controversy. With five children, including an infant with Down syndrome, now she's dealing with her teenage daughter's pregnancy. In a game that has traditionally shredded male candidates on the slightest hint that they are not tough enough for the job, Palin is the Right's version of what a strong woman should look like. That she'd be given a pass for exploiting her son's military service on emotional grounds is one thing. For her campaign to construe it as somehow making her more qualified to be commander-in-chief is absurd.

10: During her time as mayor, Palin drove a town deep into debt

According to Politico, "Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla. That amounts to $3,000 per resident. She argues that the debt was needed to fund improvements."

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It won't work, McSame
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Sep 2, 2008 12:52 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It should be obvious that McSame thought he was being cute, clever, hot, and rich enough to take on his own party and the American public, whom he views as STU-PID when he chose Palin as his VP. I assume he was looking for another type like Cindy to grace his other arm while kissing his arse. Didn't he say that the only job of VP is to attend funerals of 3rd world dictators and to check in with him now and then? This doesn't quite jive with Dick Cheney's VP role. I also believe McSame thinks he is immortal! Can you imagine this joke of a VP nominee as POTUS?

Almost no one listens to his dreary town hall meetings or pays him any serious attention anymore - playing contrarian in this instance reflects his narcissism and actual lack of love of America. He is an elitist who is simply ignorant and proud of it.

Palin in an insult to all thinking people, particularly to women, environmentalists, animal lovers, educated and credentialed professionals, working regular folks, and the list goes on.

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The Palin pick makes me feel stupid
Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Sep 2, 2008 1:18 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Except for the possibility that Insane McCain is exactly that -- totally bonkers! -- for the life of me, I can't imagine why he picked a dogcatcher beauty queen for his running mate. That's why I feel stupid.

Obama Fan
Why Hillary fans should vote against Sen. McCain

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» RE: Hi, Hugh! Posted by: Crazy H
Sarah Palin has the typical Republican mindset of today:
Posted by: Richard House on Sep 2, 2008 1:32 AM   
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Pro-life but doesn’t care much for that life after its born and approves of the state murdering people (capitol punishment), doesn’t believe global warming is in any way influenced by human activity, likes to shoot defenseless animals for sport, approves of teaching creationism (superstition) in public schools as a rebuttal to evolutionary science, doesn’t believe in teaching children about sex; rather have them “just say no” and remain ignorant until the day they are married, doesn’t know much about the Iraq war or much about history (just a Mom who doesn't want to spoil her “beautiful mind” with body counts), opposes marijuana even though she’s smoked it, has denied health care to same-sex couples (her religion bleeds into the State), likes to kill wolves from the air, and her religion shines on and always enters the picture somewhere and so with Sarah Palin the main connection being through her Church on the Rock in Wasilla which promotes NAR based heretics and dominionists YWAM. Somewhere in the back of her brain is the fanatic, End-of-Times faith-head. All this only confirms McCain’s mental incompetence for his choice of VP..

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Call me elitist. It's OK.
Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 2, 2008 1:50 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"she opposes sex education and her daughter is pregnant"

I see that the abstinence only education has worked its usual magic on the Palin family. Sarah might have benefited from a little education about getting pregnant after age 40 herself.

What a vile and repulsive woman with a vile and repulsive white trash culture. It's the friggin' Dukes of Hazzard. She and her brood certainly aren't elite. This is what appeals to the Reptile. LOL. She represents their values well. I'll take arugula, thank you.

If this is the garbage that will be leading America - if America winds up with the McCain - Palin cesspool, whether because it chose it or because it was imposed on the nation by another fraudulent election, then one can assume that America will continue in its downhill spiral making it clearly an unfit country to live in.

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The far right cabel wants Palin because she's another W
Posted by: milox on Sep 2, 2008 1:51 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If you read about the support by the far right wingers like Norquist, it's pretty obviously they want Palin because she's a puppet just like W.

Yeah, she's an idiot too, controllable and will bow to the far right. With McSame 73 y.o., Palin is one heart beat away from being the POTUS and completely controllable by the far right wing nuts.

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Implosion
Posted by: jesse0 on Sep 2, 2008 2:02 AM   
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Wow, this has implosion written all over it. What would be the implications of withdrawing her nomination before the end of the convention? It's only been a few days since the announcement, imagine what will come out after a week or more of digging!

This has Obama/Biden landslide written all over it.

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» Don't be fooled! Danger! Posted by: chorton
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» Except... Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
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Don't Legitamize Luntz..even by accident
Posted by: BigElectricCat on Sep 2, 2008 2:07 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My one beef with this article is it starts out with Republican "pollster" Frank Luntz findings. Frank Luntz is a Faux news shill and should not be quoted in any way by progressives (or anyone intellectually honest) without a huge disclaimer. (Even if the point is to hoist the Repugs on their own petard.)

My point being any results from him are invalid for any purpose. Actually, any pollster with a party name before their dubious title is worthless.

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McCain and UnAble in '08
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 2, 2008 2:59 AM   
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It's interesting to note that were it not for the efforts of a man who was born over two-hundred years ago in the town of Florida, NY (just five miles down the road from my birth place) Sara Palin would today be a Russian citizen and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

DAMN YOU, WILLIAM HENRY SEWARD!

Did you check out her acceptance speech? She reminds me of Sally Field as Gidget.

Tom Degan
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Laugh
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 2, 2008 3:20 AM   
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Can you imagine the laugh that the republicans would have if THEY manage to break the glass ceiling for women instead of the supposedly-liberal democrats? They'd get a lot of mileage out of a coup like that.

dboy

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» RE: Laugh Posted by: helenwheels
KteeMac
Posted by: KteeMac on Sep 2, 2008 3:24 AM   
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I'm sorry....so it's wrong to hunt animals and we need to makes sure THEY die a dignified death, BUT being pro-partial birth abortion (as Obama is), is acceptable and applaudable???? Oh and my favorite part about the above article, was critiscizing the fact that Palin endangered her UNBORN child, by finishing a speech when she was going into labor, BUT if she wanted to have that SAME unborn child, aborted...murdered in the womb, then THAT would be HER CHOICE??? Are you people desperate or what???? And just b/c she believes in abstinence, does not mean her own children will necessarily follow her example....after all, isn't it THEIR RIGHT AND CHOICE, if,when and how they have sex???? Believing in abstinence and wanting to encourage young people on that path, does NOT make her a bad mother OR politician, whether her teenage daughter is pregnant or not!! Plenty of kids are taught to use condoms and come up pregnant...does that mean teaching them about safe sex is crazy as well???

WOW...you people are amazing at idiotic circular reasoning....do you actually get what you sound like???? "She doen't support a woman's right to choose on abortion...but damn her for attending a meeting, while going into labor..." Give me a break!! Get over it!!

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Rightwing evangelie motherfuckers rush to "defend" Palin
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 2, 2008 3:24 AM   
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Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news

Imagine what they would do if she were just another average Jane in this situation or for that matter if she were a non-Republican. Let's see if the Democrats can stand up and use the rightwing motherfuckers' weapons against them. If they can't do that, they have no business begging for votes either.

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Sex Education & Birth Control
Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Sep 2, 2008 4:01 AM   
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I asked in my blog (Consenting Adult www.suekatz dot com) last night why people aren't talking more about sex education and birth control, so I was glad to see that raised in this piece. While the Republicans in Washington are busy trying to conflate (and outlaw) birth control and abortion, while they are responsible for wasting millions of dollars on their predictably failed “abstinence-only” programs, progressives do not seem today to be pointing out how such policies lead directly to the high teenage pregnancy rate we suffer in the United States compared with other (mostly) developed nations. Wikipedia reports that for girls between 15 and 19, South Korea has 3 pregnancies per 1,000 girls, the Netherlands has 5, Tunisia has 7 and Russia 30. America? There are 53, about the same as Indonesia. Shame!

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» RE: Sex Education & Birth Control Posted by: richholland
A liberal democrat sees this as a bold stroke by McCain
Posted by: davidhhahn on Sep 2, 2008 4:08 AM   
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This article and comments only underscores why the left does not get it and will, likely, loose this election.

Apparently, Alternet and its unquestioning adherents do not understand that a lot of liberals; as in, educated, thinking, historically-minded, democrats, find something appealing in this woman who likely clings to her guns and her bible.

Consider this. Sarah Palin likely finds hunting more "natural" than same-sex marriage; as do a huge percentage of working people in this country. Sarah Palin is no zealot. While I am sure she would have wished her seventeen-year-old daughter was not pregnant; her immediate loving, motherly reaction and support is well-understood by all sorts of folks, republican and democrat, who have to deal with real-life issues like this all the time.

And, while I disagree with her on abortion (can you say "Big Gubnent?"), I find her commitment to family commendable.

I hope John McCain does not give up on his selection, but helps the American People understand that she is likely more like one of us than credit-card-industry-lap-dog Biden

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» RE: A Hunters Daughter Posted by: Purple Girl
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» GET REAL! It's all about ego! Posted by: thinks4herself2008
» Very well said Posted by: bottom-line
» Liberal.. riight Posted by: EinMD
Palin attempted her own Late Term Abortion???
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 2, 2008 4:22 AM   
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Palin has bigger problems then Anti choice, AK47's and Oil Whoring, She Postponed the Birth of her premature developmentally disabled child for over 8 hours- so she could give a speech and fly home!!!
This alone Proves this woman has no concept of her priorities, nor the sacredness of life.
Was she hoping to facilitate her own Late term abortion? 'Oops it had the cord around it's neck, it was in fetal distress. How could I know I was on a Plane?'
Any Mother, any Pro Lifer, any Woman should be Outraged by her behavior. She endangered that childs life to satifiy her Political ambition and desire for a AK birth certificate!funny she also went past all the major Hospitals (landed in Anchorage?) in AK too, so she could give birth in some Remote medical facitity....WHY???
Now that it has come out her daughter is currently pregnant , the hope that she had made up this heinous story, because she was protecting her, or was Ashamed by her, is gone.What kind advocate will she be for unwed mothers and single moms?
So 'Pro Lifers' Where Are You...Reckless Endangerment of a child, Indifference to life,Self imposed Late Term abortion???
I'm Outraged and I am Pro choice!!!
I support womens right to make a decision. I support women who must decide later for their health or that of the childs (amnio- show major defects) But I do not support those who just wait a require a late term abortion. If you find out your pregnant make up your mind as soon as possible. How many new Borns have been found in Garbage cans, left to die of exposure, starvation . Can't committ the 'Sin' of an abortion but it's ok to let nature take it's course. This is a reality, which given the Choice I wish they would have chosen abortion instead of outright murder.
Palins baby sent a clear signal it needed to be born, she disregarded it's need.How much more damage did she cause? How could she have actually known the condition of this baby without medical monitors. 4 Kids does not make you a OB/GYN, nor a Fetal Monitor!
So 'Pro Lifers' what Do ya Think About Mac's Choice Now?

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» Same as before Posted by: LMNOP
brer
Posted by: brer on Sep 2, 2008 4:24 AM   
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Obama was gracious when, responding to the news of the pregnancy of Palin’s 17 year old daughter, he said "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance or her potential as a VP."

But he was wrong. It has relevance in so many ways.

Will Palin veto legislation supporting women's rights for prenatal care? Will she support sex education, besides abstinence based? Will she attempt to force her opinions on children who don't have the family support that her daughter presumably has? Will she give women the option to have birth control if they need it? Will she support extended welfare services to help women who don’t have sufficient resources of their own to take care of a child? Will she support education of those children and food programs so they can be nourished properly.

Palin is fortunate if she has a husband who is a home husband (IS he?) and grandparents around to take up the slack (Does she?) but, I can't help but ask, "What kind of mother would accept the position of VP candidate when she knows (or was she too naive to understand?) that the national press would swoop down to expose her daughter?" Surely she knew that would happen. Is her personal ambition that strong? People criticize another woman for her "ambition," but I've never seen anything like this.

And if Palin didn't realize that this is what would happen to her child, then she has NO business stepping onto the national stage!

And when and if she does decide that perhaps her 4 month old baby might need a mother who isn't running herself ragged in a campaign, or that her daughter might need a shoulder to cry on—when she begins to understand what a huge job she's taken on, will she be willing to stick it out and run the country if needs be?

If so, then why are all the conservative family values folks jumping up and down for joy at her selection? Have they forgotten what they stand for?

Let's hope she has a whole VILLAGE to take care of her children, because if she becomes the Vice President, they are really going to need it.

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Hopefully this gets McCain supporters' attention
Posted by: packofwolves on Sep 2, 2008 4:26 AM   
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Palin is all wrong for governor of Alaksa and even more wrong for the vice president and possibly president should McCain die in office. Anyone who supports the mass slaughter of animals from airplanes can't be much of a person and anyone who thinks they have the right to tell other people what they should do with their lives needs a wake up call. How dare this woman, who has ample funds to take care of many children, suggest that people without such means should have an unwanted child. This woman is just another corrupt politician who thinks she is somehow above the law. Despite the ethical questions surrounding this woman, the people of Alaska voted for her (or so we're told). What does that say about us as a society if we continue to elect corrupt people into office. Ted Stevens should be in jail but instead he's running for office again. Since we can't protect ourselves, obviously, perhaps there should be term limits so we can at least break up the long-standing good ol' boy networks that have become so obviously corrupt.

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Just say no.
Posted by: mikehattan on Sep 2, 2008 4:29 AM   
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How does this woman expect others to just say no just because she tells them to, when she cannot even get her own daughter to say no....?
Obviously the daughter and boyfriend were having unprotected sex, Clearly she is just another politician who demands,"Do as I say, not as I do". Did she even warn her daughter of the dangers of STD's? This has got to be THE most extraordinary and baffling choice of V.P. Ever!

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» OOPS! Posted by: helenahanbasquet
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» RE: I bit. I clicked on your stupid link. Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
RE: Palin is a hawt VPILF
Posted by: dezertlady71 dezertlady71 on Sep 2, 2008 6:29 AM   
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She's hot? Are you kidding me? That's a real insult to women. I don't think she's hot at all. She reminds me of the DC madam. (outdated hairstyle, dowdy and dowdy clothes). That's how Bill Clinton got elected!
Most people know that McPain has only known her for about two weeks and only picked her because he thought he was giving a gift to the religious right. How could they vote for someone like that? She's so inconsistent and has zero experience.
McPain failed his crash course in Presidency 101.

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Why is this Article Written "By Alternet Staff?"
Posted by: bottom-line on Sep 2, 2008 4:47 AM   
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Does this mean the viewpoints in this article are the official point of view of Alternet?

Frank Luntz is quoted, the rightwing pollster who works for Fox News, has been caught staging his polling sessions with actors and fake results, yet you use him here, a right winger who is obviously a fake and a fraud.

Obama is a Communist, his handleris Brezinski (sp?) -- who is the same guy who "handled" Carter. Remember the 22 percent interest rates and the giveaways to the communists all over the world, the lectures by Carter blaming the American citizens for all the woes that his inept administration was causing?

Yes, Bush and the neoCONs are monsters, but Communists are not an improvement over Nazis, and transferring the "perpetual war for perpetual piece" from Iraq and Iran to Russia and China are not necessarily an improvement. Neither is civil war when Obama's green army goes out to burn down people's homes and

A tired old lame duck with a hostile Democratic congress will bring gridlock -- a good thing.

The more I hear about Obama the more I don't like it. There is talk about replacing Obama with Hillary Clinton as the nominee -- probably a good idea. Who is this guy anyway? He has no birth certificate, no college records. Is he even a real person? He's obviously a Brezinski puppet, meaning he's owned by the Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Rockefellers. Not good.

Maybe this lady Sarah Palin was dropped into this whole equation to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, the mix of communism/nazism, and somebody who cares about decency, about life, about people having a chance to just live, to put a high value on children and family -- is this really a bad thing?

What is so wonderful about DEATH, DEATH, DEATH, DEATH, DEATH, DEATH, DEATH?

I don't care what party is running. I just want somebody to step up to the plate that isn't trying to tell us to bomb and kill and torture and cull the world's population. Overpopulation is a big lie, actually THE Big Lie.

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» A Kernel Of Truth Posted by: pdxjoe
» What can you back up!" Posted by: LionHeart
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» RE: Why is this Article Written "By Alternet Staff?" Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
What people seem to forget is...
Posted by: Marlena on Sep 2, 2008 4:49 AM   
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McCane is a right wing "moderate" Any place else he would be considered a far right radical.And don't be fooled by his self styled "maverick" image, he still supports the right wing, 10% of the time. Pay attention people!! 40 years of the lies of NixxonLand is enough!!

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» oooops!!! Posted by: Marlena
Nothing is proven
Posted by: chairthrower on Sep 2, 2008 4:54 AM   
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All we have is Palin saying her daughter is 5 months pregnant--a very convenient number that seemingly rules out her being Trig's mother instead of her sister.

But what if it's a lie? What if the October Surprise is a "miscarriage"? Will the daughter still marry her baby daddy?

It's horrible to even suggest such things, but one thing that the last eight years have taught us is that Republicans are willing to be completely brazen about such things, knowing they can shame those who actually question them. The well-documented story of Sarah Palin and the Dallas conference either does not add up at all, or shows a disturbing lack of judgment especially from a pro-life woman. I'm afraid everything is on the table at this point.

Considering Republican rhetoric on sex and pregnancy issues, a full disclosure and timeline, documented by evidence, is the only reasonable solution if they ever want to be believed.

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» RE: Nothing is proven Posted by: Germanicus
» RE: Nothing is proven Posted by: Quakermom
Oh, really?
Posted by: Germanicus on Sep 2, 2008 5:00 AM   
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"Amid the now-disproven rumors that the Palins' fifth child, Trig, was the son of her 17-year-old daughter..."

Oh, really? You have seen the birth certificate? The DNA test? I am still not convinced. Call me a die-hard conspiracy theorist, but this whole narrative stinks to high hell. As long as we are crawling around under rocks, we might as well look at all the rocks. I want solid, independent proof that she was not lying.

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» RE: Oh, really? Agree 100% Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
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Does anyone question the conclusion of #5? The Trig issue?
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Sep 2, 2008 5:11 AM   
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They say Trig's parentage has been proven and Bristol is not his mother. When was it "proven"? It won't be proven to me until the following happens:

1) Show Trig's birth certificate.

2) Have Sarah give her OB/GYN permission to release a statement to the press that she approved of Palin's decision after her water broke to: a) bypass Dallas' fine hospitals, b) fly 10 hours, c) bypass Anchorage's fine hospitals, d) drive 45 minutes to a medical center on the outskirts of the town where she was mayor to e) give birth to her Down's syndrome baby. At age 44.

I don't know ANY woman in ANY pregnancy who would have done such a reckless thing - risking infection and death to the baby - nevermind one in a clearly high-risk pregnancy. It makes no sense.

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» Having a Baby is Not High Risk. Posted by: bottom-line
11. Palin makes up stories as she goes
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 2, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Governor Palin has put the full weight of her position behind calling bloggers "Lewd and patently false". I'm not being lewd. What I have to say is not false. Palin was thin as a rail all the way through her "pregnancy" this last year. She still is, 4 months after "she" gave birth.

According to the Daily Kos, the governor absolutely insisted again and again that she was pregnant at 43 years old. She ran gut-wrenching windsprints. She took various wild medical chances if she was pregnant. Her daughter Bristol dropped out of school for 7 months, claiming mononucleosis.

Now she says that Bristol is pregnant now. I don't really care if Bristol has a second bun in the oven or if Bristol looks heavy because she just had a child 4 months ago. We have an unusually bogus and untrustworthy vice-presidential candidate covering up with a vicious attack on the reporter who came up with the story, and then still denying the truth. A public official faking a 2 month pregnancy in extreme detail (her own staff didn't know until the seventh month) to gain the public's adulation is not honest.

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» It's good to be hated! Posted by: LionHeart
» Did you say something? Posted by: LMNOP
Is this all there is
Posted by: LionHeart on Sep 2, 2008 5:20 AM   
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"It's not hard to stir up negative publicity when you advocate gunning down wolves from airplanes and deny the human causes of climate change."

you mean every negative article about Palin is going to be framed in the context of hunting? Liberals are way out of touch with america if this is it!

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» Yeah, But............ Posted by: BigElectricCat
» Nah, let him run his mouth Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Hugh Scott..... Posted by: LionHeart
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» RE: Is this all there is Posted by: crashgrab
Some judgment
Posted by: Democritus on Sep 2, 2008 5:33 AM   
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On the stump, John McCain cites Obama's lack of experience and his own better judgment. Then McCain displays his judgment by picking someone with hardly any experience at all as his running mate. The logic of it escapes me.

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» Talk about a roll of the dice!! Posted by: thinks4herself2008
We totally buy into the Palin pick.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 2, 2008 5:47 AM   
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This assumes that no one is paying attention to politics. This assumes that all of the women that voted for Hilary just want a woman in office! This is an insult to the intelligence of all women regardless of party affiliation! This is just another example of McShame's reasoning! To think that he could pander to the female vote by selecting a rabid right wing woman, shows his poor judgment, lack of critical thinking, and his disdain for American women!

That McShame views this woman as qualified to take over should he become ill, what nerve! He put down Obama for his lack of experience, and yet he picks this person that has no national experience. Her claim of commanding the National Guard, is not a qualifier. Exactly how many times have the National Guard been called upon in Alaska, not that many I tell you.

Frankly, as not one of the candidates been in the Presidential Office before none are qualified. The choice really is about as a country we know that we have been going in the wrong direction for quite awhile now - so do we stay on the same path McShame would continue to pursue; or do we as a country take a chance with someone that just might have a vision and a clue to help us untangle and extricate ourselves from the misuses and abuses of the past 8 years!

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His own man
Posted by: jebpgh on Sep 2, 2008 6:14 AM   
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What does it say about McCain that she wasn't really his choice? What does it say about his administration that the vetting basically hasn't even been done yet?

So much for experience.

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» RE: His own man Posted by: VZEQICVA
She supports abstinence only
Posted by: Karina on Sep 2, 2008 6:21 AM   
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... and look how well it works!

A great example of someone who fights sex education in school!

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HER ATTEMP FAILED
Posted by: master09 on Sep 2, 2008 6:24 AM   
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She wanted to abort the child,there is no other explaination for the risk that she took as a loving caring mother. Beauty is only skin deep but uglyness is another issue. America this women is dangerous.

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The Juno Effect
Posted by: taxidriver on Sep 2, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Supposedly, the boyfriend, Levi, doesn't want kids. Maybe Bristol will be the Republican Juno, giving her baby up for adoption to a childless, photogenic, evangelical white-bread couple? Think of the sympathy and votes that would generate ...

McCain's idea of/preference for women is basically strippers, models (whether Brazilian or bathing suit), beauty queens, and heiresses with money (check out the Sunday Washington Post biography of McCain if you don't believe me). He's an old-fashioned chauvinist, to put it mildly. Palin is a cipher with a colorful past -- I love the fact that she doesn't believe in evolution (maybe she still thinks babies are brought by storks? Or is that what she told Bristol?).

If these two clowns win in November, we will indeed live in interesting times -- and I'll be praying for the rapture.

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» RE: The Juno Effect Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» The Juneau Effect Posted by: plantland
Shirl
Posted by: toots on Sep 2, 2008 6:35 AM   
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I think this is a selfish aggressive woman, I am a 73 yr old woman. BE AFRAID***
This woman;s poor 17 YEAR OLD daughter is being exposed to the world, because her mother is moving ahead, regardless of her family responsibility's.
BE AFRAID

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» It's all about Palin's EGO Posted by: thinks4herself2008
Rovian Chicanery!
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Sep 2, 2008 6:45 AM   
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I would not be surprised, given the political leanings of Daily Kos, that the Repugs themselves leaked the rumor first that the Downs-syndrome baby was Palin's daughters', so that they now can bluster about how the Dems are being so mean and intolerant to her and her poor daughter, etc etc, when the brave woman was just protecting her daughter, and how heroic to NOT end the preganancy... yadadyadayada........
Yes, pure Rovian Cheap-shot chicanery!
What's sad is that even after so many years of this Sh*t, Many Amurkans will still stupidly fall for it!

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Palin's pick was not a reckless act...
Posted by: jimidee on Sep 2, 2008 6:52 AM   
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Palin's pick was not a reckless act by John McCain, but a carefully calculated one by the McCain staff, and maybe the "Architect", Karl Rove himself. It has his fingerprints all over it. How else can you explain this act that is irrational on the face?

The fact that Palin has a pregnant daughter was part of the decision to select her. They knew full well that with the MSM's penchant for smut stories, that it would jump all over this one. This was guaranteed if they let it out after the fact, like they were trying to hide it. The MSM took the bate and swallowed the hook and ran it like they stole it. Predictably, the right wing base evangelicals felt so sorry for the girl and rallied in supported the mother.

Mission Accomplished.

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» Your circus called. Posted by: LMNOP
that frozen, plastic smile
Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 2, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Sarah Palin has that frozen plastic smile that I see on so many the Republican moms in my town-- The soccer moms whose biggest worry is what casserole to serve this Sunday for the church brunch. Who live in terror that the "hoe-moe sexual" conspiracy is out to get their kids. The near-menopausal women whose business-owner husbands are too busy playing golf at the country club to give their woman attention (that's ok because sex TERRIFIES these Repub moms). Their minds can go no further then spout pre-programmed slogans about "abortion kills" and "family values first".

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McCain: " Obama would rather lose a war
Posted by: surfreality on Sep 2, 2008 7:14 AM   
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than lose an election."
Yet McCain's pick for VP is all about politics and has ZERO to do with national security. For all the talk about abstinence, abortion, hunting wolves from choppers, creationism in the schools and "the bridge to nowhere"; the fact remains she knows nothing about national security and foreign policy. This is self evident. Therefore it is fair to say: McCain would rather win an election than secure the best team possible to protect America.

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McCain, Palin...These two are so awful, cynical, dishonest and
Posted by: peridot on Sep 2, 2008 7:22 AM   
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dangerous that I don't see how the American Sheeple can refuse their humble desires to be the arbiters of everyone ELSES choices. They will stomp over their more polished, experienced, pragmatic opposition. They are just too awful to lose. This after all, is America.

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Wing Nut direct mail king luvs Sarah Palin
Posted by: sausage on Sep 2, 2008 7:49 AM   
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Richard Viguerie: She’s perfect
With VP pick, McCain “unites the GOP, gives conservatives a stake in the election, and puts a real reformer on the ticket”

(Minneapolis, MN) The selection of Governor Sarah Palin as John McCain’s vice presidential running mate unites the Republican Party and energizes its conservative base, Richard A. Viguerie said.

“McCain has chosen to balance his ticket with a principled conservative. Governor Palin’s life story is one of sticking to principle. She is living proof that a person can take on the corrupt political establishment – including corrupt leaders in her own party – and achieve great things,” he said.

Viguerie, the Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, added: “There’s an old expression in politics: Go along to get along. Not this time. The selection of Sarah Palin is one big kick-in-the-pants to the corrupt establishment in both parties.

“Congratulations to John McCain for hearing and responding to conservatives. Conservatives, the base of the party, have been listless. But, now, nearly all will work enthusiastically for the McCain-Palin ticket. In fact, this is the most enthusiastic conservatives have been since the era for Ronald Reagan.”

He concluded: “This is a grand-slam home run. Conservatives’ feet haven’t touched the ground since this announcement.”
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NOTE TO EDITORS:Richard A. Viguerie pioneered political direct mail and has been called “one of the creators of the modern conservative movement” (The Nation magazine), one of the “conservatives of the century” (The Washington Times), and one of 2008’s “top 25 influencers” among Republicans (NewsMax magazine). His latest book is Conservatives Betrayed: How George W. Bush and Other Big-Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause.

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Republicans think Americans are FOOLS!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 2, 2008 7:54 AM   
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The RNC has a sign up at their convention that says "Country First" Well what happened to "Country First" during the last eight years? What happened to "Country First" during KATRINA, before the lies that started the Iraq War, 45 million that doesn't have healthcare, before millions of jobs were shipped overseas, before rewarding companies to ship them overseas, before billions going to Halliburtion without any other bids, before vetoing the children's healthcare bill, before allowing CEO's to walk away with millions while laying off their employees, and the list goes on. Please answer these questions for me.

The Bush/McCain Republicans must think the American people are ignorant. Who in the world would vote for a Republican after witnessing the past 8 years?

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» Thats because they are. Posted by: EinMD
Wait just a minute
Posted by: Babygoat on Sep 2, 2008 8:01 AM   
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Let's all just take a deep breath. The Bush adminestration screwed this country and citizens
so brutally that the fact McShame is putting
"Pileon"/palin on as VP...only shows that they/ the Repugs DO NOT WANT TO WIN THIS ELECTION/ERECTION....They can't clean up the mess and frankly, we can't either, not in one adminestration....They're passing the buck again!
Both of them are dispicable, a clone for Cindy and
retred for john....A JOHN....

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The real issue: FAMILY VALUES and the POMPOUS FRAUD that is Sarah Palin !
Posted by: jwverez on Sep 2, 2008 8:13 AM   
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To quell persistent rumors on the Internet that Sarah Palin's new baby was really her daughter's, Palin has announced that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol Palin, is now 5 months pregnant and plans to marry the baby's father, her 18-year-old boyfriend, Levi Johnston. The rumors got started when Palin behaved in a way that raised eyebrows in April. She was in Texas for a meeting of the National Governors' Association when she began leaking amniotic fluid and having contractions. Although she knew the baby had Down syndrome and was a month premature to boot, she didn't go to a local hospital. Instead she gave her planned speech later in the day as scheduled and then caught a flight from Dallas to Seattle where she took another flight to Anchorage. Then she and her husband drove 45 minutes to a hospital in her home town where the baby was born.

Premature babies, especially those with Down syndrome, need special care. Palin could have gone to a world-class hospital in Dallas, Seattle, or Anchorage, any of which would have been fully equipped to handle eventualities. Instead she chose to fly 8 hours (without telling the airlines she was in labor) and go to a village hospital probably not equipped as well as hospitals in any of the three big cities. The rumorbarons couldn't believe that any 44-year-old mother of four children would take such a risk, so the assumption was that she wasn't pregnant. Combined with the fact that Bristol had been out of school for five months, the rumor started that Sarah was covering up for Bristol.

But the story raises other questions, for example:

* Is it responsible for a woman in labor to fly for 8 hours with the risk of giving birth on board?
* What should be done to reduce unwanted teenage pregnancies and are these techniques effective?
* Is sex-ed entirely the job of the parents or do the schools and government have a role? If so, what?
* If schools should not have a role, what do you do about parents who don't do their job properly?

For a candidate who was chosen largely for her gender and her views on family values, it is perfectly legitimate to ask about how she puts her family values into practice herself. Sarah Palin knew her daughter's pregnancy would be worldwide news if she ran for Veep. When McCain called, she could have said: "I just had a Down syndrome baby and have other family matters to deal with and my family comes first, so I cannot be your running mate." That would have been be a real demonstration of family values. That's not the choice she made and criticism of it is legitimate. Family values is not just about opposing abortion. The last word on this has not been said, but the discussion has already started. Sally Quinn has a good column on the subject.

Conservative commentators have so far focused exclusively on Bristol's decision not to have an abortion. Nothing has been said about the subject of unwed teenage mothers, personal morality, and parents' responsibilities, although many of these people have clear opinions when talking about unwed teenage mothers living in urban ghettos.

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And finally, the POMPOUS FRAUD McFUCKER !
Posted by: jwverez on Sep 2, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Taegan Goddard at Political Insider has observed that the McCain campaign chose Labor Day, a day when few people are paying attention to the news, to announce three potentially damaging news items: (1) Bristol Palin is pregnant, (2) Sarah Palin hired an attorney to defend herself in the Troopergate affair, (3) Todd Palin, the governor's husband, was arrested for drunk driving in 1986. He wonders what else we still don't about Sarah Palin. By picking someone new and fresh, McCain brought a lot of attention and excitement to his campaign. The downside is that there might be unpleasant things in her past that will come dribbling out in the next few weeks. All in all, the Palin rollout has not been as smooth as McCain might have liked. The LA Times has a good piece on McCain's gamble.

With Palin revelations, McCain's gamble is clearer

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If McCain wins in November with Palin still on the ticket...
Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Sep 2, 2008 8:14 AM   
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America will be the laughing stock of the world. That's the kind of "patriot" Insane McCain is.

Obama Fan
Why Hillary fans should vote against Sen. McCain

PS to Hillary supporters: Never forget what a "maverick" is -- a grumpy old man who enjoys pissing people off! Insane McCain has been that way since high school, when he was nicknamed "Nasty" by the entire student body.

One more thing. To oldtime cowboys in Arizona, "maverick" is an unbranded range animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother, traditionally considered the property of the first person who brands it. In McCain's case, he has "Rightwing Republican Whacko" burned into his sorry ass.

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WTF!?
Posted by: ava1984 on Sep 2, 2008 8:19 AM   
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Does McSame think that Hillary supporters will follow just any vagina? I hope not; I know what ol' John sees in her. He could not take his leering eyes off Palin's ass!

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» RE: WTF!? Posted by: hollymoodyb
Letter from Wasilla
Posted by: fbc21ca on Sep 2, 2008 8:27 AM   
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Dear classmates -

As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on Sarah Palin, Senator McCain’s choice for VP. As an Alaska voter, I know more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that he picked her.

The most accurate description of her is red neck. Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska, particularly wolves and bears. She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska’s failing school system.We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the
country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad, but how anyone (other than Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is appropriate is beyond me.



She has been a strong supporter of increased use of fossil fuels, yet the McCain campaign has the nerve to say she has ‘green’ policies. The only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has
consistently supported drilling in ANWR, use of coal-burning power plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home town of Wasilla), strip mining, and almost anything else that will unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy its environment.



Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska, she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage. The average maximum education level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade. Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I’m talking about.
These people don’t have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US.



Furthermore, they don’t care.



So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they’re happy. I wish I were exaggerating.



Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn’t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man’s performance and ability weren’t considered; it was a totally personal firing and is currently under investigation. While the issue isn’t close to the scandal of Ted Steven’s corruption, it shows that Palin isn’t squeaky clean and causes me to think there may be more issues that could come to light. Clearly McCain doesn’t care.

When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable if it weren’t so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics (admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs, knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment, health care systems - you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me.

In an increasingly dangerous world, with the economy in shambles in the US, Sarah Palin is uniquely UNqualified to be vice president. John McCain is not a young man. Should something happen to him such that the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate as Sarah Palin.

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» All 3 comments were good! Posted by: donl51
Palin's daughter old enough to know better...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Sep 2, 2008 8:25 AM   
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...but didn't. Why now? Why didn't this teenager have any of the information--for that matter, any of the Birth Control devices that would have let her avoid this unplanned pregnancy?

That's going to be every girl and woman in this country, if we elect McShame. I was going to myself, just to teach the Democratic Party not to throw this election away because they dumped the front favorite for a relative unknown. I was gonna vote for McShame..and now I'm not. Think I'll go with Nader, FOR SURE. That'll teach the Dems the same kind of lesson and sidestep this Evangelical creepy-crawler--because I sure don't think that McSame has even 4 years left in him, let alone 8.

Imagine that. I'm a woman with children and I'm more afraid of this Wing-Nut from Alaska, than I even am of McShame! (Who now, for his VP pick alone, really deserves that name!)

Yep--both parties really screwed themselves with the VP choice. The powers-that-be were terrified of another Clinton Presidency--the same kind of Presidency that we were all looking forward to. Now we got Barack Who and Credit Card Biden. And the Repukes made sure that we can't even vote for McSame, with the choice of this b---- for his VP.

NADER OR BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Says this Dem...

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» No, it's "Nader AND bust." Posted by: JakobFabian01
Trying for the "values voter"
Posted by: Karina on Sep 2, 2008 8:48 AM   
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Which is a contradiction in terms. Seriously, how can SO many people be doing the she-didn't-have-an-abortion dance?

If the right actually gave 2 shits about children, there would be healthcare for low income families, subsidized childcare, and paid maternity leave. Out of 173 industrialized countries surveyed, the US in one of the 5 that do not require any maternity benefits whatsoever. Pro-life my ass. They care NOTHING about life.

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Another Anti- Earth, Climate Killer in a skirt.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 2, 2008 8:59 AM   
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Big freaking deal!!! So the RNC found themselves another critter hating,resource gobbleing waste of human flesh. Guess they did'nt have to look too hard,their whole party is full of them. She's part of the group that wants to use everything up while we still can and leave the mess to her kids. That is unless she eats them. Having to wear that brown lipstick can be a motherfucker.
She is the exxon valdes of VP choices,well both party's are actually. But the real truth is anyone that ghas such little regard for the things that are created by forces greater than her,should'nt be in office,much less a beauty queen. ANyone that is so stupid as to remark,on camera, that someone would have to tell them just what the VP's daily job was,is totally unfit for the job. FYI it involves shooting people in the face,not wolves!!!

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Dpwn's Syn. children benefit from BREASTFEEDING and extra love and stimulation
Posted by: plantland on Sep 2, 2008 8:17 AM   
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Many devoted mothers have poured love and attention into their DS children, and beaten the original prognosis for the children.

The sucking reflex is a little more difficult for DS babies, requiring more patience and perhaps pumping at first.

Going back to work as Governor when the poor child was three days old was criminally narcissistic. She seems to want to be admired for having such a baby, but not spend the time gazing, encouraging, and falling in love with him.

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A Picture Paints 1000 Words!!
Posted by: yellow on Sep 2, 2008 9:04 AM   
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The picture on the Alternet Home Page says it all. Maybe she could get a supporting role in the next Stallone action Movie.

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» If you like that photo... Posted by: truthteller
Wow
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 2, 2008 9:08 AM   
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Personally, I think this move clearly shows that McBush is ready for the Looney bin! he has clearly lost his marbles.

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I love Palin.........
Posted by: tap17x on Sep 2, 2008 9:08 AM   
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.........because she will make McStupid even less likely to win - unless the Refucklican Big Lie machine works even better than it did in 2000 and 2004. Everyone, go see the movie "Stealing America, Vote by Vote" if you can find it.

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McSame? Not anymore!
Posted by: xmvince on Sep 2, 2008 9:22 AM   
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Now I will call him McShame!

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Discount Sarah Palin at our collective peril
Posted by: meltedpriest on Sep 2, 2008 9:24 AM   
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She could well help the Repugnican's into another 4 years. She plays well to crowds; she's not Dan Quayle; and she's a woman who represents a change from the status quo (at least, symbolically).

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I Posted These on THIS SITE, All alike I had 1 extra.
Posted by: Turiye on Sep 2, 2008 9:30 AM   
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check the archives when the story broke and you'll see it.

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I LAF
Posted by: fg on Sep 2, 2008 9:30 AM   
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when I watch old-fart delegates to the GOP Convention (the party of family values, don't you know) try to turn a teenage-pregnancy into lemonade.

Palin is stupid, the most ridiculous nominee since Harriet Myers. McSame is an even bigger dumb-dumb (you have to love the way he turns being near the bottom of his graduating class into an asset). And to think he would have preferred Holy Joe Lieberman as VP mon dieu . . .

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Great Article
Posted by: DragonOak on Sep 2, 2008 9:32 AM   
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This easy to follow information needs to get out. Sadly a large portion of the country has fallen into the uneducated segment and tend to believe whatever the Republicans tell them. A local redneck I saw the other day was running around afraid because "they said" Obama was going to take their guns away.

Sadly the Republicans are renowned for taking advantage of those that have a lack of knowledge in politics which sadly includes MOST of the south.

Keep up the good work and pass this information along to your under-aged friends and coworkers.

DragonOak

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Possible Red Herring?
Posted by: Gisele on Sep 2, 2008 9:43 AM   
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Son of Cain wanted Lieberman badly, but knew that the voting public might not be too accepting of him...sooo...he chose Palin.

Could it be that he chose her knowing full well that once all the negatives of her histrionic behavior became known, that something in her past would make her unsuitable as VP? That he would be forced to "let his choice go" and have to choose another?

Perhaps after the "narrow miss"...Mr. Lieberman wouldn't look quite so bad to voters after all? After all, Joe is more malleable in all likelihood. One never knows for sure what a woman will do when you piss her off enough...Son of Cain's handlers would know that.

Right Mr. Rove?

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maxsmart
Posted by: maxsmart on Sep 2, 2008 9:45 AM   
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I don't know about you but I see the hand of the red rover in this appointment. A very clever way to get the anti-abortion, anti-sex-ed, anti-birth-control, vote and use someone's ideological daughter and son(come on 9/11 to 9/11) as poster children and I would be very afraid of someone that ideological becoming President and if I were McCain I might start getting nervous too by the way! I wouldn't want to be the sacrifical old goat myself! These people could be dangerous for out national security.

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"But that does not qualify her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency."
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 2, 2008 9:48 AM   
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By no means. Now Joe Biden, with his years of experience subverting civil rights with his support of the so-called Patriot Act, his proposal to make have the DOJ do the RmafIAA and Hollywood copyright enforcement investigations at taxpayer's expense, his opposition to net neutrality, his vast experience opposing personal data encryption, and his complete understanding of how dangerous Fair Use is to his moneyed pals makes him a far more "qualified" candidate to continue the status quo than some upstart from a backwoods state.

Joe Biden is a weasel, and he is--as far as I can tell--going to be the next VP. I don't know enough about Palin yet to determine that for sure; her running mate makes that rather irrelevant to me.

Seriously, all this gnashing of teeth over someone (Palin) who takes a different view of the world than you might? McCain has a proven track record of someone I don't want as a president, of course so does Joe Biden. Neither Obama nor Palin have done anything in office yet that smells so foul as either McCain or Biden.

Pick a better target for better reasons than someone who simply confuses you.

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A comment on her giving birth in alaska....
Posted by: BreeMass on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 AM   
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Okay, I don't like Sarah Palin and would never in a million years vote for her, but under the right circumstances, the fact that she flew back to Alaska is not quite as risky as some people and this article have portrayed. When the water breaks, a channel for infection is opened up, to be sure, but technically a woman can safely labor for up to 48 hours before infection even becomes an issue. Now, if her water broke, but she had no contractions and dilation was minimal to nonexistent at that point, her doctor could have cleared her to get on the plane, particularly since there was a layover in Seattle and she was landing in Anchorage where she could have received medical assistance if necessary. If it really did only take her ten hours to get home, she was well within a safe window as far as infection is concerned. and again, if the other factors involved, ie contractions and dilation, were slow as they certainly can be with older mothers, infection would really have been the primary concern at that point.

I'm not saying it is choice every or even most women would make, but taking into consideration how I feel when I'm sick, injured or otherwise incapacitated by some physical ailment (I really hate to quantify pregnancy and birth as an ailment, but there really isn't anything else to compare it to) I can understand the impulse to book it for home if you still have even a small chance of making it. Plus, she was giving birth, which means she would have been stuck in Texas with a special needs infant, thousands of miles from home. Even if she's only made it as far as Seattle or Anchorage before needing to stop, she still would have been that much closer to home.

My point is this: as somebody who knows very well the complications and dangers of childbirth, I don't think the fact that she attempted (successfully!) to make it home before giving birth is reason enough to question her judgment, particularly when there are so many wonderful other reasons to question it! It might not be what most women would choose, but if her doctor cleared her and you want to question somebody's judgment , it should be the doctor's not hers.

Full disclosure: I work for one of the top OB/GYN departments in the country and spent nine months volunteering in a midwifery clinic.

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» RE: you have to be joking.... Posted by: BreeMass
THE FASCIST RULERS WANT McCAIN TO LOSE
Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Sep 2, 2008 9:49 AM   
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this election. Their "choice" of McCain and Palin is designed to lose heavily to the Dems who they control as well and will serve them for the next 8 years just as Bush and Cheney have served them. They want more and bigger wars, more bases for their empirical troops to use a springboards for more invasions. Weapons must be expended so that new weapons can be ordered. Step inside the chamber and things look completely different that they do to the masses viewing the television news.
When the people start getting tired of war, they change the occupants of the White House, giving the simpletons some "hope" for peace and a bit of prosperity. But in truth, the same thugs that busted heads in Denver were also present in St. Paul to make sure that any protests were marginalized or quashed. They have learned that peaceful protests are truly dangerous to their continued rule.

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Is this part of the subliminal marketing campaign promoting pregnancy for white girls?
Posted by: loneswaneast on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 AM   
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Have the recent statistical disclosure that white americans will be in the minority in the near future freaked out the neocons to such an extent that they are trying to promote and portray this young breeder as heroic and the standard to which all american girls should be held? Is this simply the next chapter in the marketing strategy that began with fashion and films, Britney and Jamie? I simply cannot find one logical reason why McCain would have picked this woman if he did indeed know the fertility of the youngster unless Grover Norquist and friends decided this was exactly what they wanted to see as the public face of femininity. Barefoot and pregnant, young and fertile, ignorant and horny, too dumb to get a condom.
These kids are poster children for the campaign to raise the white trash population....the ones that go along with whatever the preacher tells them and joins the military straight out of high school....good pickings!

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Palin gutsy
Posted by: LillianB on Sep 2, 2008 10:03 AM   
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Palin didn't go from PTA mom to major to governor by being helpless and incompetent. She defends her state and beliefs based on what seems to make the most sense. Alaska wants to use a fraction of it's resources and wants to work. Palin knows the most vivious attacks against her will come from the anti-oil groups. Palin dares to be politically incorrect and agrees with those scientists who question the theory of man-made climate change. Isn't it possible the climate will continue it's historical record to overpower us? I'm a registered Independent who expects my differing views will be excluded from this one sided forum.

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» RE: Palin gutsy Posted by: thealltheone
» RE: Palin gutsy Posted by: BreeMass
repugs begone
Posted by: thealltheone on Sep 2, 2008 10:22 AM   
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The moment a repug posts on here, just block or report them. Why bait them at all, it is useless and a waste of time. Then starts the personal attacks and other racist, sexist, other discriminatory language and leads to off topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand. The rules AlterNet will not tolerate, but does not enforce. The purpose of this forum is to educate and share useful or purposeful opinions. Not arguing with repugs! All the most intelligent posters have gone! There are at least three to four repugs posting daily now. Just block em or ignore them. They will give up eventually and go elsewhere if they do not get attention!

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» RE: repugs begone Posted by: bottom-line
» RE: repugs begone Posted by: thealltheone
Hot dang!
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Sep 2, 2008 10:37 AM   
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Picking Sarah Palin as VP has proven to be more entertaining that One Life to Live and the Young and the Restless COMBINED.

And I had hopes that this election, with so many critical issues facing us, was going to be more substantive.

Obviously I am nuts!

Substance, schmumstance.

Why talk issues when gossiping is so much more fun?

Luv,
Granny

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» RE: Hot dang! Posted by: hollymoodyb
A.Malech
Posted by: A. Malech on Sep 2, 2008 10:42 AM   
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Since sex ed classes might have spared the daughter an unplanned pregnancy, you'd think the mother would understand now that ignorance doesn't preserve innocence and that young girls need to learn what she obviously failed to teach her daughter. This woman's lack of judgment is surpassed only by that of the candidate who chose her to be vice president of the United States.

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Lets Recast the Argument! re "Choice"
Posted by: tgranger on Sep 2, 2008 10:50 AM   
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The "distinctionless" arguement for Pro-life, if carried to its logical extreme, should prevent the removal of cancer tumors. They are "alive" after all,and medically act exactly like an embryo during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. Most practitioners and experienced mothers know that the "humanity" of the "tumor/embryo" starts at the "Quickening" which all mothers have felt. What if we start
framing the arguement as "Pro-Being". To collapse "human-life" into respect for a piece of rapidly growing celluar protoplasm is idiotic. The disingenuos propaganda from the "Pro-lifers" gives no quarter to the kind of human "being" which is birthed; or the circumstances under which conception occured. Profound disabilities are met with "ah well it must have been God's will" and then they turn tail and run, leaving mothers and families to suffer the day to day consequences of an "unwanted birth". The families suffer, the unwanted children suffer and our society suffers since they usually end up in some kind or level of institutional setting. Wake up America lets have a nation of wanted children and thriving families where abortion is rare due to education and contraception. Or shall we choose a nation of "suffering sinners" living out their punishment for their transgressions. Our Choice!

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Backup Leader of the Free World?
Posted by: doubter on Sep 2, 2008 11:15 AM   
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Palin's ignorance of world affairs is more than enough to disqualify her and McCain. Once again, the GOP wants to put an ignoramus into the White House. Didn't learn a thing from Bush, did they? If these people get elected, the rest of NATO is going to have to reassess its relationship with the GOP's idiot empire.

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The Palin Stratagy- Why she is there.
Posted by: Ghoulman on Sep 2, 2008 11:22 AM   
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Of course she's nuts... she's forcing her 17 year old to give birth. That's not even medically safe. She is exactly what she claims to be... a Christian fundamentalist.

The reason she was chosen is because of articles like this, and the many sure to come (there's already been around five on this site alone). Pointing out the facts about her will just be called 'attacks'. Attacks on a sweet, Christian, little girl. That's how McCaine's camp and the media will play this.

The media is already playing the 'attack' angle. Though there was no 'attack' on McCain during the DNC, at all, the AP and various media outlets put out report after report with 'Dems attack!' headlines for two weeks.

Get ready for the 'conservatives' to lament the 'dirty attacks' by the 'liberals' on a God loving, sweet, little, woman.

Sexist? Yea of course, we're talking about the U.S.A. Wake up!

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LISTEN! Can you hear that sound . . . ?
Posted by: pete ess on Sep 2, 2008 11:27 AM   
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An ever-rising whistling sound like a bomb falling? It's the sound of America going down, down . .
Second biggest economy, third . .
Second strongest nation, third . .
Second most influential, third . .
On the way down you'll bomb a few more tiny countries, invade one or two more (none of which will fall - they'll be ruined, but they'll rise again).
Then in desperation you'll toss a few nukes, just to show your EQ really is virtually non-existent.
Hollywood will still show you winning all your battles as finally you tank out and are brought to ruin.
By yourselves. The only country you will be able to invade successfully, and actually comprehensively defeat.
Yourselves.

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Sep 2, 2008 12:04 PM   
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Lots of disturbing stuff about women in politics is raised numerous times. But Laura Bush's unsavory past is rarely mentioned.

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» RE: dick Posted by: thealltheone
Divide and conquer. Why all the fighting between right and left wingers?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 2, 2008 12:04 PM   
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Martin Luther King made a speech on March 25, 1965 in Montgomery, Alabama where he said,

"Thus, the threat of the free exercise of the ballot by the Negro and the white masses alike resulted in the establishment of a segregated society. They segregated southern money from the poor whites; they segregated southern mores from the rich whites; they segregated southern churches from Christianity; they segregated southern minds from honest thinking; and they segregated the Negro from everything. That’s what happened when the Negro and white masses of the South threatened to unite and build a great society: a society of justice where none would pray upon the weakness of others; a society of plenty where greed and poverty would be done away; a society of brotherhood where every man would respect the dignity and worth of human personality."

Imagine that you are a rich member of the ruling elite who commits crimes against all the "little people" in order to advance your wealth and privilege. Would you want the common people's attention focused on you, or would you prefer to have the "little people" at one another throat's fighting over trivia and nonsense?

This is why we have a right wing and a left wing. Divide and conquer.

This is why the corporate media constantly race baits, in order to divide white people, black people, Latinos and Asians. Divide and conquer.

This is why we have feminism, which is designed specifically to divide men and women. Divide and conquer.

The ruling elite exploits every opportunity to divide the masses, so that they may continue to commit their crimes against the common people from the shadows. The ruling elite always employs this diversionary tactic.

This is the real reason that Martin Luther King took a bullet through the neck; he intended to unite all the people--white, black, Latino and Asian--against their real enemy, the ruling elite.

Can you imagine a world where we the people no longer fell victim to the ruling elite's divide and conquer tactics?

Can you imagine a world where "the Negro and white masses of the South threatened to unite and build a great society: a society of justice where none would pray upon the weakness of others; a society of plenty where greed and poverty would be done away; a society of brotherhood where every man would respect the dignity and worth of human personality."?

If you can, then perhaps we should learn to put our differences aside and unite for common goals that serve all our interests. Then, and only then, will we have the potential to realize a world where peace and prosperity are the rule rather than the exception.

Thus, the left wing and the right wing are not a danger to the ruling elite, because they do the ruling elite's bidding.

Likewise, feminists are not a danger to the ruling elite either, because they also do the bidding of the ruling elite.

Do you want to become a real threat to the ruling elite? Then learn to unite not divide.

Okay, you can flame me now.

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» Do you assume much? Posted by: GuitarBill
Once again the GOP proves its massive hypocrisy
Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 2, 2008 12:17 PM   
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Could you imagine the bruhaha in the right-wing blogsphere had one of Obama's daughters been a pregnant teenaged unmarried mother? Isn't this the same party who once went ballistic over a fictional Murphy Brown for having a child without a father?

Sarah Palin's stances against common-sense birth control is where we need to go after her on--after all, her daughter is a prime example of the failure of "abstinence-only" education, and sadly she's not the only one. I'm just curious as to what Sarah Palin and her husband are teaching their children about sex in the first place--maybe the stork did it? How do we know that Bristol Palin really wants to get married and have a child--we only know that's what "mommy" says because that's what her party wants to hear. Don't be too surprised that all this notoriety suddenly causes young Ms. Palin to "miscarry". I wouldn't put anything beyond the Republican wackjobs.

Sarah Palin's holding up of the far-right's puntative attacks against working mothers and working women in general is where we can freely go after McCain and Palin and actually WIN.

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» Murphy Brown line -- great... Posted by: IntnsRed
We Must Change!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 2, 2008 12:23 PM   
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Please share this video with all you know.

http://www.talk-it-out.com/video/
video/show?id=1876466%3AVideo%3A10190

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Palin? but not the RNC & DNC civil rights abuses?
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 2, 2008 12:29 PM   
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pathetic.

I can't believe people are more interested in this gossip column crap

& not the ACTUAL CIVIL, HUMAN & PRIVACY violations that are being carried out in St.Paul over the last 3 days.

go check out Glen Greenwald @ Salon.

how about Amy Goodman's arrests?

what about the pre-emptive & warrant-less invasions of activists homes over the weekend?

pathetic, folks. go do your homework.

Sarah Palin is wallpaper over the crumbling plaster of democracy

What was it that Kucinich said, "WAKE UP AMERICA":

"This administration can tap our phones -- but they can't tamper our creative spirit,
They can open our mail, but the can' t open economic opportunities.
They can track our every move, but they lost track of the economy while the cost of food, gasoline, and electricity skyrockets. ..."


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If Jack London were alive and living in Alaska...
Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Sep 2, 2008 12:50 PM   
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he would shoot down the wolf-hunting planes, starting with Palin's.

Obama Fan
Why Hillary fans should vote against Sen. McCain

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Palin belonged to Alaska's FLQ?
Posted by: doubter on Sep 2, 2008 1:09 PM   
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Check today's Guardian for an article on her membership of a party that wants Alaskans to vote on becoming a separate country.

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» Sounds Like A Plan! Posted by: edgar1
Sarah Palin Too Good for this Election
Posted by: bottom-line on Sep 2, 2008 1:10 PM   
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She doesn't belong running with McCain anymore than she should be running with Ted Bundy if he was alive.

She is a decent woman and she's going to be put in the position of either trying to sell evil or end up like Sony Bono did, or a lot of other decent people who got "suicided."

She must be very naive, not realize what's really going on. They are using her. May God be with her and protect her from total corruption by these people. They always know how to get people to "come around" to their way of thinking.

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#12 Sarah's Profound Take on Iraq
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 2, 2008 1:14 PM   
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In addition to her countless responsibilities she preaches at her church. She told the congregation that, "Iraq is a task from God". That may explain why God told George Bush to attack Iraq. Well I'm glad I finally got an explanation. I've wondered all these years. Isn't there some legitimate way to disqualify people from high office because they're crazy? Do we have to wait for them to do irreparable damage? ANNA

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» RE: #12 Sarah's Profound Take on Iraq Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
You Missed on some of these Disturbing Features
Posted by: dayahka on Sep 2, 2008 2:10 PM   
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I think you forgot one major fact that is most disturbing of all: how can someone who thinks that Alaska should not be a state (Alaska First) be a federal candidate for a union?

And you need to recast one fact. Your claim that "...Palin is among the conservative fringe that rejects the scientific consensus..." on global warming is insulting to those of us who are not on the right, not on some fringe, and do not entirely support the idea of anthropogenic climate change. There are many people who are "believers" in AGW who I would characterize as on the fringe, certainly lunatics and alarmists. Climate change is not a belief system as many think, but a phenomenon that is subject to evidence and verification.

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» Back to Basics Posted by: edgar1
» Excellent point dayahka! Posted by: IntnsRed
More Qualified than Obama
Posted by: Romans1 on Sep 2, 2008 2:35 PM   
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And more decent. Shame on the Democrats for their smear campaign.

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» That wasn't very nice Posted by: Romans1
» RE: That wasn't very nice Posted by: crashgrab
zippypinhead
Posted by: zippypinhead on Sep 2, 2008 3:09 PM   
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"She is inexperienced, knowing little or nothing about foreign policy or national issues..."
Sounds like Obama!

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Let's cut Sarah some slack
Posted by: Glenn on Sep 2, 2008 3:14 PM   
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The internet has certainly provided a forum for an awful lot of folks who couldn't hack a "real" reporting job. Now we have endless half truths, no truths and just plain blather. Lots and lots of blather.

Wouldn't it be nice to chill out and let history judge whether Sarah and John or Barak and Joe are really as bad as portrayed by all you in the alternate media, (let alone the mainstream screamers).

Do you really thing Tom Ridge is a better choice than Sarah? Wasn't he the original head of Homeland Security? Wasn't he the boss of "you're doing a hell of a job Brownie"? Didn't he get swept out soon after Katrina? Are you sure he'd be a good choice for #2?

And how about these "bouts of cancer". Get real. It's skin cancer, it's treated, chances it won't be fatal.

Chill. Let history work.

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» RE: Let's cut Sarah some slack Posted by: VZEQICVA
Mixing partisan politics with science detracts from message.
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Sep 2, 2008 4:14 PM   
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Your otherwise effective expose on Palin was not helped by tossing in a kneejerk personal attack on her views on anthropogenic global warming as being "fringe conservative". While her response to global warming may be just that, her perspective should not be so characterized, given the state of that science, nor should we be mixing objective science with subjective politics unless we wish to be seen as "fringe" in our own right. Neither should we be promoting a rationalization that even if we're wrong (which we are), the ends justify the means, also a fringe perspective.

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A Self-Inflicted Wound
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Sep 2, 2008 4:16 PM   
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It's amusing to see the Elephants stumble over each other their reaction to McCain's choice for vice president. My job is not to criticize his choice, but to point out the hypocrosy which permeates American politics.
For months we've been fed a steady bombardment by the Right about Barack, saying he's this and that and wants to make the U.S. (at least in the social sense) resemble polyglot Europe; a place with so many nationalities; a place where the majority of its denizens have access to affordable and dynamic health care; and a place where its citizens get six weeks of vacation time.
His selection of Joe Biden was meet with vile velocity that it could have been made into a melodrama. Some said he's a blunderbuss, a perennial D.C. insider who will not bring about the "change" his mate has carped about.
Now we're peering through the political microscope at Sarah Palin, the latest Republican specimen on the slide and what do we see? A woman who's Gidget to Hugh Hefner. And as we study the object, we're knowing more about the subject and all kinds of opinions are expressed; and what we've concluded, that, is that she's being picked apart with the same zeal as Biden. But with the R's is more vicious; a self-inflicted wound only to discover that she AND McCain weren't their first choice to headline the ticket. So they know they brought the damage to themselves.
In an imperfect world, we must remember that you deserve the government you elect; YOU ARE the government. And do you want to remain on the present and perilous path to perdition or are we going to have a government that will take care of its people without fear or backlash?

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maybe McCain really does not want to win...
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Sep 2, 2008 4:31 PM   
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maybe McCain really does not want to win...

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Dems Are Missing the Boat
Posted by: radical53 on Sep 2, 2008 4:32 PM   
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All this attention on Sarah Palin is a big mistake. She is a good pick for the Republicans. She has energized the base significantly.

Of course many of her policies are wrong! What else is new? She fits nicely into the neo-con mold of what a female politician should be. Even from my left-wing point of view, I like her a lot better than many of the VP alternatives.

Let the public make their own decision as she speaks her mind from the podium and in the debate.

If the election is about policy, judgment, and leadership style, Obama wins. If it is about experience and neo-con diversions, McCain has an excellent chance (because they can lie their asses off about character, patriotism, and personal history). I could also add that if the election is a referendum on Sarah Palin, McCain has an excellent chance.

In order to start moving the country in the right direction, albeit slowly, progressive candidates have to be elected. We just aren't going to get positive results in health care, jobs, the environment, and foreign policy by belly-aching about the Republicans that get elected every 4 years.

Electing Obama is the best chance of turning the country around in our lifetimes. Waiting for Hillary in 2012 runs a poor second.

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» RE: Dems Are Missing the Boat Posted by: badkitty
for her to beat out rice...
Posted by: eosrk on Sep 2, 2008 4:55 PM   
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which would be the better choice, and to show us that he's actually up for change.....all I can say is she must be real good at blowharding...if u know what I mean.

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At the Carwash
Posted by: koulflo on Sep 2, 2008 5:00 PM   
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see
http://koulflo.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/palins-carwash/

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Miss Kill and Drill?
Posted by: sheena2u on Sep 2, 2008 5:03 PM   
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As a six year Wasila resident, I can attest to the fact that all the things in this article are true. I never voted for Palin. She is a good debater and has long been considered "a Republican rising star," however her selection as V.P. is deeply disturbing.

Although bubbly and cute on the outside, she is a fierce fighter and her power should not be underestimated, but that said what she fights for, and how she uses her power should deeply concern every single American.

I was and am appalled by her stance on aerial "hunting" which is nothing more than "legal" slaughter. The wolf is "hunted" in Winter when its fur contrasts against the snow, and pursued by small aircraft or ATV (all terrain vehicle) until the animal is exausted. The animal is then easily shot, seldom fatally, and shot again or bleeds to death. Most hunters do not agree this is sportmanlike or "hunting."

Alaskans have voted two times in the past against aerial hunting, and the measures passed. Apparently Palin designated tens of thousands of tax payer money to defeat the latest measure. Recently, ex-governor Murkowski (who Palin defeated) ignored the wishes of Alaskans, expanded the hunting to areas dangerously close to residential areas, stacked the barely scientific "Board of Game" with pro-big game hunters, and expanded the bounties for killing. Palin merely picked up where he left off with the expansion of the aerial killing program. In my opinion Palin is about "kill and drill," and little else.

Incredibly, in the face of numerous photographs and reports of drowning polar bears, flooding Native villages, melting pemafrost, and quickly melting glaciers, Palin does not believe polar bears are in any danger, and doubts the bountiful evidence on global warming. Also, appallingly, Palin is wildly enthusiastic about drilling in ANWR (The Alaska National Wildlife Refuge) as soon as possible.

Other than her intimate ties to Big Oil and evangelism, she is completely inexperienced and unprepared to serve as vice president or president of our country. As a Republican operative who is tied to Big Oil she will very likely be easily led to do whatever the big corporations and the powers that run the Republican party would want her to do. She will likely be their puppet, and that is probably her primary appeal to McCain. Otherwise why would a Wasilla council woman and mayor, and Alaska govenor who has served only half her term - a thin and dubious resume at best - be picked to the spot of V.P. by a 72 year-old man in questionable health?

I hope that everyone will learn the truth about her and fight even harder to elect Senator Obama, and Senator Biden to the White House so that our democracy, our infrastructure, our freedoms and rights, and our people can have a chance to be whole and strong again.

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» Wolves Posted by: sheena2u
» RE: Little Bitty Wolves Are So Cute Posted by: mountainsrock
» RE: Miss Kill and Drill? Posted by: VZEQICVA
This one might come back to haunt: Palin's line-item veto against pregnant teens
Posted by: launcher on Sep 2, 2008 5:13 PM   
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Ms. Palin apparently used her line-item veto power to drastically reduce funding that would have benefited young mothers in need. Here's the link:
Washington Post

In the interest of fairness, I should point out that the article doesn't mention how much state funding the Anchorage Covenant House had received the previous year - perhaps the funding level actually went UP in 2008.

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What's amazing is that voters will still probably vote against Obama
Posted by: cthelyt on Sep 2, 2008 5:23 PM   
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All the ten reasons cited against Palin make perfect sense to anyone who wants to use their rational faculty, but the undecideds and independents will likely be voting with their guts rather than their heads.

Obviously, to the AlterNet mainstream, this fact is a source of endless, intense frustration. I read it over and over in many responses. But until the Obama supporters look up a bit and see the forest, they will be doomed to enjoy only the company of trees far from the Oval Office. Michael Moore gets it, as do a number of others. Sarah Palin isn't perfect by a long shot, and that's why as the underdog against Biden she'll win a sympathy vote. Who among us, even I--a Phi Beta Kappa, magna cum laude Ivy League university graduate--would hold our own against Biden in a debate? Does this mean that I will vote GOP? Hell no! But lots of my fellow citizens surely will, even though it's against their interest to do so.

Why the Democrats need to ask themselves why they keep losing presidential elections--and I think they just might lose this one too--at this late date speaks volumes not for the audacity of hope but the politics of hubris. They will be cast yet again as the party of limousine liberals--Palin's support of her daughter despite her violations of sexual propriety will be juxtaposed with Obama's neglect of his Kenyan half-brother who survives on a dollar a day and is ashamed to call himself Obama's brother. Who do you think will win that comparison of inexperienced candidates?

I read ten good reasons not to vote for Palin, and yet where are the reasons not to vote for Obama? Yes, McCain is the elitist, getting into Annapolis on a legacy admission and graduating 795th out of 800 in his class. But an argument can be made for Obama's self-made elitism. Whether earned or not, a member of the elite--myself included--is still an elitist. It's what my college dean told us all on Class Day before we graduated, that we were joining the elite. You can't run from it, and yet both major parties try to do just that.

Voters feel uncomfortable voting for Obama for various reasons, in a way they probably wouldn't if Colin Powell rather than Obama were the man of color they had to consider for president. Yes, even after Powell's own major issues regarding Iraq and going back to his role in the My Lai massacre investigation--but he has a long record of service and is allowed his errors, however egregious they may be. And Powell is from the Bronx, not very exotic even for those who aren't Yankees fans. Despite his faults, he's still more like one of the guys than the more worldly, polished, cosmopolitan, multicultural Obama. It's more than bowling skills at work here, folks.

Both parties juxtapose blocs of people who are engaged not in a dialogue but in spontaneous monologues, rather like composer Charles Ives's "Unanswered Question." Nothing gets resolved; it's an endless loop. Until both blocs transcend their mutual inability to fathom each other, the country will remain paralyzed. I'm not sure how much longer the status quo can go on, but I am fairly sure that it will go on past this November, sadly for all of us.

Palin isn't the answer, and there are probably a hundred reasons not to vote for her, but then that's not saying anything most undecideds and independents don't already know. Again, it's not about "knowing." It's about "feeling," and my bet is that the swing voters won't be feeling in Obama/Biden's direction.

I'm not happy about that, either. Nor am I smug about it. I'm saying that I, like many Americans, do not consider myself part of the "we" in the slogan "Change We Can Believe In." I don't feel comfortable in that "we"s company.

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» Obama and Biden HAVE to win! Posted by: sheena2u
Mccain and Palin are both HYPOCRITES and morally BANKRUPT.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 2, 2008 5:30 PM   
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If Obama can't kick Mccain's ASS on that fact, he can forget winning.

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Adopt a Polar Bear If they ARE So Cuddly
Posted by: edgar1 on Sep 2, 2008 5:30 PM   
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Aren't there more polar bears than ever? Also, the Arctic used to be much warmer than it is now and there were lots of polar bears swimming around at that time. Why don't the enviros mention this?

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You forgot #11...
Posted by: IntnsRed on Sep 2, 2008 5:52 PM   
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...her daughter and future son in law.

(Yes, that's really them -- kids being kids. The "governor's (VP?) daughter." What's that say about Mom?)

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And #12?
Posted by: IntnsRed on Sep 2, 2008 6:09 PM   
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That awesome news source, People Magazine reports that Sarah Palin's future son in law, Levi Johnston is going to Disneyland! Err, I mean going to the Republican National Convention.

I bet Sarah Palin regrets using her line item veto to slash funding for an Alaska state program for teenage mothers who need a place to live. (sound of hand smacking forehead)

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Bread and Circuses
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 2, 2008 6:25 PM   
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Politically, McCain will get a "baby bounce" out of the deal with Palin's skanky daughter being knocked up. You can expect national media to grind to a halt while she walks down the aisle.

On the other hand, it's a HUGE scandal embracing inbred moral turpitude, criminally inept parenting and sheer hypocrisy.

zero sum


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REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY

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Palin Pushing For Alaska's Secession from the United States
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 2, 2008 6:39 PM   
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Shocking video of Sarah Palin addressing the secessionist Alaska Independence Party convention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

This girl is finished.

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Sarah Palin makes John Mc Cain look good
Posted by: ggmurray on Sep 2, 2008 6:49 PM   
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Being a feisty, sexy woman, she helps him get his mojo back! He looks positively cute and turned on next to Sarah.
Duh...! Haven't we all seen this happen with our husbands or partners? Get a grip America!

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The stench of Herr Rove... but the joke's on the repubs
Posted by: ibemee on Sep 2, 2008 7:50 PM   
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Only the evil-genius karl rove can think up such a hypocritical and convoluted plot!

...and whaaaat an insult to the many QUALIFIED republican WOMEN!!

If there were not sooo many gullible and sheep-brained voters, this would be laughable.

It is MINDBOGGLING to hear all these republicans --- (even Sen Olympia Snow!) extoll the so-called "experience" of this Ms Nobody (who doesn't even know what a Vice President of the United States of America does!!!!!)

UN-frickin believable.... God help America!
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I can't resist commenting on the 'evangelical sympathy' for Palin over her underaged 17 year old daughter's pregnancy ~ When I was in high school there were TWO girls knocked up... One was the daughter of members of my mother's church, the mother sang in the choir, and the father was a staunch supporter of the Elks Club, and active in all the community affairs. THAT GIRL, and her family were treated like the Republicans are treating Palin's daughter: with the utmost compassion and sympathy.

The OTHER girl's mother was a single parent who worked at the local box factory. THAT girl was c-r-u-c-i-f-i-e-d and her boyfriend was too - as a matter of fact the FIRST GIRL's father led the hue and cry trying to have the 2nd Girl's boyfriend arrested for statutory rape!!

...so much for that.

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The 'Lunatic Fringe', from BOTH sides are
Posted by: madmax427 on Sep 2, 2008 7:59 PM   
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closing in FAST! I feel like the "Fringe" is just about to the point of being two points off of dead center in either direction! Not much room left for anybody with a 'reasonable' attitude.

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WHERE IS P.E.T.A.!!
Posted by: ronjula on Sep 2, 2008 8:09 PM   
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THIS LADY HAS NO RESPECT FOR WILD LIFE>

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Open Letter to Sarah Palin
Posted by: GPFrank on Sep 2, 2008 8:44 PM   
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When I read Sarah Palin's stands on conservation she scared me so much that I sent this letter to the local paper.

I hope you can stand the irony.

Open Letter to Sarah Palin

Dear Sarah Palin, are you a Jesus freak?
To grasp the meaning of the question, let us phrase it differently. You hunt and you fish but you do not seem to have interest in preserving game. You want to drill for oil in the Tongas wild life preserve. Is it your policy to eschew concern about conserving life and resources because Jesus is going to come and save the world anyhow?
Does clinging to coming Jesus or Jesus coming free the mind from worry and responsibility related to serving the Gaia earth and instead concentrate on promoting ourselves and our progeny, the vanguard of the saved? Likewise would the triumph of creationism in the schools eliminate all this intellectual burden of finding out what leads to what and leave it all to the Genesis?
But, on the other hand ,suppose the great coming is postponed longer than we think, then shouldn’t we conserve the world and its scientific knowledge for the sake of believers who will still be living after us to tell the “Only Truth”?

Frank Lornitzo

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A Future Historical Statement.
Posted by: don't jolive my olive. on Sep 2, 2008 10:04 PM   
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Her appointment is so outrageous. EVERYONE, especially political pundits, is confused as to why such a reckless decision. I can only think that we will all find out in the future. After all, the Republicans are doomed in the next elections possibly setting new 'bottom of the barrel' records SOoo this must be some back room strategy designed precisely to supposedly minimize damage and deflect criticisms, an intentional ploy orchestrated for their party's political future....what else could it be?? Palin AND McCain are puppets! However, we may not hear about this strategy until 4 or 8 years from now....Probably at least 8!

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Palin nomination a gambit
Posted by: larryo on Sep 2, 2008 10:25 PM   
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I believe the Sarah Palin nomination is just like the Harriet Miers nomination, but I think both were setups. Scalia probably told Cheney that Bush had to nominate a woman at first because it was O'Connor's seat, so Cheney told him to nominate one of his moonies knowing her, knowing she was totally unqualified, and knowing she would be roasted. Then Bush could nominate Alito and no one would dissent (he always has help from the mainstream news organizations in this regard - I know you have noticed that).

I think they knew all about Sarah Palin and they nominated her as a distraction because of the skeletons in her closet and her eccentricities, knowing it would appeal to the evangelical loonies (of which she is one, in spades) and divert everyone's attention from the real issues, discussion of which is bad for them. The religious loonies make up somewhere between 20% and 40% of the voting public, and the significance of their enthusiasm cannot be overstated.

Regardless of whether she gets knocked off the ticket, they can spend the rest of the election cycle and long after raving about mainstream media sexism and Democratic hypocrisy. Of course, the Democrats will likely fall all over themselves and each other to deny and contradict any such insinuation, thereby throwing gasoline on the fire because then everyone will be talking about it, one way or another and not about the issues. It's like Joaquin Phoenix told Nick Cage in 8MM: "When you dance with the devil, the devil don't change; the devil changes you!"

And if, by chance, it works, they might pull the election out of the bag - if for instance she "resigns" because of all the controversy and the attacks on her semi-innocent teenage daughter, it will mobilize the religious right like nothing else could - they will vote for McCain in droves just to avenge poor Sarah. Should they win the election, she can be put to work on faith-based initiatives and pretty much trusted to do whatever the neocon goon handling her tells her to do. If they lose, well that would have happened anyway and now they have something to crusade about. It's a win-win situation.

All the pundits are talking about how dumb McCain was to nominate someone with less than no experience, because that was his chief brickbat to throw at Obama, but I think he is playing a much different game and, at least so far, things are going well for him - Palin is all anyone is talking about.

I don't think McCain is anywhere near smart or cunning enough to come up with a scheme like this, but Karl Rove is.

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» RE: Palin nomination a gambit Posted by: sheena2u
» RE: Palin nomination a gambit Posted by: bmikkelsen
Another great "shot" of Palin
Posted by: Mike's Perspective on Sep 2, 2008 10:32 PM   
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No no more Political parties fuck McCain Fuck this Governess and fuck this government!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 3, 2008 1:03 AM   
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Impeach McCain now and save time. Put this lying sack of shit behind bars and his warmongering murderous support staff also.

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let's think about this
Posted by: TheGoodBus on Sep 3, 2008 5:44 AM   
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A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many
others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and
among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to
support more government programs, in other words, redistribution of wealth.



She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a
feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had
participated in, and the

occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years
harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.



One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on
the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed
objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she
indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in
school.



Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let
him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very
difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to
go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a
boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her
time studying.



Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She
replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she
never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus;
college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and
lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung
over.'



Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office
and ask him to

deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That
way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and
equal distribution of GPA.'



The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired
back, 'That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard
for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of

hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played
while I worked my tail off!'


The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the Republican
party.'

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» RE: let's think about this Posted by: lucib1
X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 3, 2008 9:55 AM   
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Like McCain, Palin is a hypocrite. McCain has done nothing to liberate the 1000's of women and children trapped inside the FLDS polygamous town of Colorado City, Arizona. While McCain and Palin brag about Iraq, who's going to educate and liberate polygamous families in McCain's backyard?!

Religion is no excuse for abuse!

http://www.bankingonheaven.com

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We need to come to our senses quickly
Posted by: bmikkelsen on Sep 3, 2008 10:16 AM   
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Since the days of the Republican God (aka Ronald Reagan) the leaders of the party of evil have become masters of using social issues to get people to ignore what they are really doing and vote against their own best interest. They are very good at it. I, too, am outraged by this woman and all that she stands for.

But let's face it, they have succeeded in changing the dialogue. I've gotten caught up in it, too. I just heard Joe Scarborough tell another of the talking heads that any time the discussion isn't about the economy or the Republican's abysmal failures, it's a good day for the Republicans. As much as it galls me to admit it, he's right.

Obama warned in his acceptance speech, they will try to make this election about small issues. Let's not continue to take the bait.

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What a load of CRAP!
Posted by: cjlyles on Sep 3, 2008 1:02 PM   
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Liberals are so AFRAID of Sarah Palin! They're afraid because she's the VP nominee for the Republican Party and she has more experience than the Democrats Presidential pick, Barak Obama! They are afraid because they didn't see her coming, they thought McCain would pick a Washington insider like Obama did when he picked Biden. GO SARAH, WE LOVE YOU!! MCCAIN/PALIN an unbeatable team!!

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» RE: What a load of CRAP! Posted by: spero
Pailn smoked marijuana when it was legal under Alaska law
Posted by: sincerelysarah on Sep 3, 2008 7:53 PM   
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According to
http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

Sarah Palin smoked marijuana when it was legal under Alaska law.

"Palin said she has smoked marijuana--remember, it was legal under state law, she said, even if illegal under U.S. law--but says she didn't like it and doesn't smoke it now. Palin adds, "I can't claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled."
Source: Anchorage Daily News, "Little play," by K. Hopkins Aug 6, 2006 "

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She posed nude?
Posted by: Scientz on Sep 3, 2008 8:23 PM   
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Anybody know if this is real?

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» RE: She posed nude? Posted by: 13daze
Double standards any one?
Posted by: SamFox on Sep 3, 2008 10:04 PM   
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You can tell McCain made a wise choice by MSM reaction to it. You think Palin is bad?

Check out

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff247.htm

SamFox

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Nonsense
Posted by: JMarshall on Sep 3, 2008 11:07 PM   
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Sarah Palin's delivery was professional and poised---there's one qualification for President right there. Hillary should have hired her speaking coach. It's absurd to criticize the speech---get past bias, for heaven's sake. She did a terrific job under pressure---there's another qualification. She's 100% correct that a mayor of a small town and a governor equals more relevant experience than Obama---and she's running for VICE president, which requires very little. What's Obama's excuse? The so-called skeletons...wow. What a stretch. The hysteria of Democrats on this pick is amazing, and the dishonesty of so much of the criticism. If it's so disastrous a choice, why was Obama's "Bounce" so abysmal? (8% of blacks want to vote for Obama, women gcame out in force for crooked, dishonest, unqualified Hillary, but its sexist to think women will vote for Palin? Ridiculous, embarrasing logic. Anyone who knows anything about US history should recognize that it is Obama who is historically unqualified for the office he seeks, not Palin. She had lots of company in her thin resume, and some of that company turned out to be pretty effective when they got their chance. Grow up and show a little respect for public servants,

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» RE: Nonsense; JMarshell... Posted by: SamFox
» You are joking, right? Posted by: sheena2u
Chama Studio
Posted by: Chama Studio on Sep 4, 2008 6:26 AM   
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Aerial-hunting, a brutal sport, supported by Palin. Check the Links connected with this site. abysmal Shame on Palin. http://actionfund.defenders.org/palinvideo

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Cruella DeVille
Posted by: Christie on Sep 6, 2008 4:42 PM   
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One commenter said that the liberal media will never understand the Palin effect. I believe I do. It is the same fascination we have with Cruella Deville in Dalmations 101.

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Campaign promise to clean up Washington
Posted by: forx on Sep 7, 2008 5:45 PM   
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The thug sponsored promise to clean up Washington struck a chord in me. Since I can't stand thugs or the dumb dem party anymore, Palin and McShame, both carried a powerful message that may resonate with others the same as me. Most would agree the dems will take congress with a healthy majority. Picture that with Palin & McShame in charge.

Let's face it, we the people have no privacy left thanks to all the latest spying electronics monitoring everything we do. I can picture Palin and McShame exposing any and all democrats of any impropriety if they don't go along. And, will then be able to replace them with their own thugs in a couple years time. The religious right will claim they fulfilled their campaign promises.

No matter how you slice it, they'll play the Hero card one more time. Law enforcement has removed their kid gloves, if the number arrested at the conventions is any indication of things to come. The dumb dems listening to Pelosi who took law and order off the table, have a tiny window left to impeach the war criminals before it's too late. It should have been the dumb dems promising to clean up Washington corruption first. Idiots alienate their constituents with their pro-war agenda, instead of ending it, trying to compete with McShame's war on terror mentality, by bringing war hawk Biden into the mix, they deserve to lose.

We're all mad at the policies we've endured the past 8 years. If corporate lobbyists weren't calling all the shots, Bush couldn't have gotten away with mass murder and genocide. The 109th congress under a thug majority passed a little known clause in the Military Commissions Act of 2006, giving retroactive immunity to all government officials accused of war crimes. Thugs have fraudulently taken elections before and there's nothing stopping them from doing it again. God help us now!! I'm voting for Nader.

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I think your lies will come home to bite you
Posted by: gabbyone on Sep 7, 2008 7:21 PM   
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I think the lies, including the guy from Wasilla will come home to bite you. Just to look at a few. The wolves in Alaska have reached large enough numbers to be considered by the Federal government predators to moose, caribou,etc. which provide food for Alaskans who don't have a grocery store on every corner. Wolves have five to eight babies a year. The program to reduce the population of wolves is under the jurisdiction of the government. If you are interested this is one of several articles on it from a liberal group which provides links to other stories. http://www.slate.com/id/2199140
I researched this yesterday when I got an email about it from a friend forwarding a story titled."A blood thirsty Palin gets her kicks killing wolves from an airplane." Montana kills twice as many wolves as Alaska and has a much smaller wolf population. The story about creationism is not exactly true either.....when Palin was running for Governor, she was asked about Creationism in a debate and she said that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms: “I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum.” She also added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum On global warming....Green Wire article dated April 12, 2007:....Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) announced plans this week to find out how the state can reduce its greenhouse gas emissions, through a new subcabinet of top administration officials who will develop policies to combat the effects of climate change that are more pronounced in Alaska than elsewhere in the country. State Environmental Conservation Commissioner Larry Hartig said Palin exhibited more interest in the issue than she did during her campaign last year, when she said she found evidence of man-made global warming unconvincing. “From my first meeting with her on this topic, I could tell she was open minded and interested in it and in the new information that was coming out." (The article goes on to talk about all the committees and programs she has moved forward on.) On almost every topic in this article, the extreme has been used to make you
dislike this woman and to discredit her. I might suggest that if this continues Obama will be next as Republicans retaliate. It has been said they have quite a arsenal of attacks ready and are keeping their powder dry to see
what the Dems do to Palin.

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No Direction of Change or Reform
Posted by: 13daze on Sep 8, 2008 10:21 AM   
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This is not the direction of change or reform, but rather a continuation of the Bush years. I am more fired up than ever. McCain/Palin = Bush/Cheney repackaged. It's more of the same--same rhetoric and same ill-advised economic-destroying policies. McCain has done what many thought was impossible: He made Obama/Biden the safe choice. Well played, sir. Well played.

Sarah is out of touch with the lower 48 parent:

1. We don't praise our pregnant teens for moral failures
2. We don't hang our children out to dry to protect ourselves.
3. We don't leave our 3 day old special needs baby to return to work.

Foot in mouth moment # 1 for Gov. Palin:
"Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Mayor vs. community organizer: Obama worked for and with the people of Chicago for an extremely low salary with no benefits; Palin received a robust salary for what she did, proportionate to the size of the town, and government benefits. He worked as a community organizer pretty much on his own with no guidance; based on what I've read, she needed a city manager to help her execute her responsibilities in a town of less than 8000. Finally, these are just excerpts but so far I haven't really noticed her trying to take on Biden or address any foreign policy/national security issues.

They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden! What is striking about the candidates is how these politicians represent the major wings of the national Democratic Party. And the representative nature of Obama-Biden is reflected in the faces of those who came to Denver to support the ticket. Republicans referring to Senator Obama as just a Community Organizer! Community organizing is how ordinary people responded to out-of-touch politicians=2 0and their failed policies. Obama, being a Community Organizer makes me very proud to support him. It tells me Obama knows "FIRST HAND" and is "INTOUCH WITH THE PEOPLE." He has the knowledge of what the issues are in various communities and has put together an agenda to solve our nation’s problems. Obama is a "Candidate for The People and Change!" Community Organizers: In most cases community organizers are everyday people working together and clearly demonstrating the power to build something extraordinary.

McCain and Palin haven't addressed a single idea during the entire Republican Convention about the "ECONOMY." If she says she isn't part of the Washington elite, she needs to look at McCain and wonder why she's on this ticket.

8 yrs ago, the GOP gave us a governor from large oil producing state who was a Christian conservative and a crusader. He had no national or foreign policy experience and had barely traveled abroad. Later he wanted to finish Gods plan in Iraq to civilize those heathens by military force. He is a creationist who does not believe global warming is man-made. He is strongly anti-choice and a darling of the evangelicals for he shared their values. Nothing else mattered, Sounds familiar? Palin is a Bush-lite.

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Track conceived out of wedlock
Posted by: 13daze on Sep 8, 2008 11:42 AM   
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Let's see - the math goes like this:

Eloped: August 29, 1988
Track born: April 20, 1989
38 weeks to 40 weeks is typical gestation
38 weeks prior to Track's birthdate is July 28, 1988.

Unless this child was born prematurely, he is a bastard just like his mother!

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JennyMiller
Posted by: JennyDenny on Sep 8, 2008 4:07 PM   
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Interesting that you had to remove your previous #1 reason (that Sarah Palin banned books from the library). A 30-second check on Snopes.com proved that to be false. You guys are so filled with hate that you'll grasp at anything. Liberals used to be fun to joust with, but now you're just rabid and bitter.

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