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Obama's Grand Speech: Reason for Hope
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He connected his own history -- the history of a not-quite-ordinary American family -- to the mythical promise of America. His rhetoric soared -- as usual -- but it was tethered to reality: in particular, the stark differences between how Obama would approach the challenges the nation now faces and how John McCain would do so. Obama laced his criticism of the Bush years and the possible McCain years with a dose of populism, which gave portions of the speech a sharp edge. And he brought his pitch for hope and change down to the ground with a succinct description of policy ideas he would work for as president.
Obama, as convention dictates, began with a high-minded theme: America is a land of promise, but, he declared, that promise -- especially for hardworking Americans -- is in jeopardy, placing the nation at a critical juncture. "These challenges are not all of government's making," he said. "But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed policies of George W. Bush. America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this." Given that polls show that at least seven out of ten Americans -- maybe more -- believe the country is on the wrong track and a similar number of Americans disapprove of Bush, his criticism was not at all radical.
In one of the more important passages, Obama, taking a populist turn, made the case that his opponent does not understand this:
The truth is, on issue after issue that would make a difference in your lives -- on health care and education and the economy -- Senator McCain has been anything but independent. He said that our economy has made "great progress" under this President. He said that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. And when one of his chief advisors -- the man who wrote his economic plan -- was talking about the anxiety Americans are feeling, he said that we were just suffering from a "mental recession," and that we've become, and I quote, "a nation of whiners."
A nation of whiners? Tell that to the proud auto workers at a Michigan plant who, after they found out it was closing, kept showing up every day and working as hard as ever, because they knew there were people who counted on the brakes that they made. Tell that to the military families who shoulder their burdens silently as they watch their loved ones leave for their third or fourth or fifth tour of duty. These are not whiners. They work hard and give back and keep going without complaint. These are the Americans that I know.
Now, I don't believe that Senator McCain doesn't care what's going on in the lives of Americans. I just think he doesn't know. Why else would he define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year? How else could he propose hundreds of billions in tax breaks for big corporations and oil companies but not one penny of tax relief to more than one hundred million Americans? How else could he offer a health care plan that would actually tax people's benefits, or an education plan that would do nothing to help families pay for college, or a plan that would privatize Social Security and gamble your retirement? It's not because John McCain doesn't care. It's because John McCain doesn't get it.
Obama blasted McCain for embracing the "that old, discredited Republican philosophy -- give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else." He proclaimed that it was time for GOPers, "to own their failure. It's time for us to change America. And that's why I'm running for president of the United States."
He did not say -- as Hillary Clinton did during the primaries -- that he was running to fight for you. His is still a campaign of collective action -- us, not me -- and that might continue to make it hard for voters facing tough economic times to identify with Obama. (Some people desire a champion slugging for them, not a movement to join.) But on tax cuts, health care, outsourcing, energy independence, and education, Obama vigorously outlined the stark differences between him and McCain -- and he presented those differences in language designed to appeal to working-class voters.
On national security, Obama ceded no ground to McCain. "If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have," he said. None of his arguments were new -- he blasted McCain for being overly eager to go to war in Iraq before the job was done in Afghanistan -- but he did so with great confidence. "John McCain likes to say that he'll follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell -- but he won't even follow him to the cave where he lives," he remarked.
Obama sounded strong; he looked strong. "If John McCain wants to follow George Bush with more tough talk and bad strategy, that is his choice -- but it is not the change that America needs," he said. Obama warned McCain to stop questioning his patriotism: "I've got news for you, John McCain. We all put our country first." And, he said, don't go pulling the same-old, Rove-like stunts, accusing Democrats of being nothing but tax-raisers and national security weaklings:
The times are too serious, the stakes are too high for this same partisan playbook. So let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, and so does John McCain. The men and women who serve in our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and Independents, but they have fought together and bled together and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a Red America or a Blue America -- they have served the United States of America.
Throughout the entire speech, Obama's delivery was powerful. He stuck with his now-familiar message of hope and change. He reiterated his call for a politics that transcends pettiness and distractions. But he really took it to the other side -- issuing specific charges and offering specific ideas for policy changes. Obama still has one failing as a great speaker: he does not quite step out of the moment of the Grand Speech to talk directly to the individual on the couch who is watching and weighing. He seeks to inspire and attract support with political poetry -- but there's a touch of abstraction to the exercise.
Nevertheless, what was in the speech was far more important than what might have been missing. Anyone watching could see that Obama has an economic vision. He showed he had no reluctance to challenge McCain on national security. He linked the policy debates of the moment to the noble currents of American history, noting that this day was the fortieth anniversary of the "I Have a Dream" speech of Martin Luther King Jr. He soared high. He punched hard. He was tough without being mean. It was a near-perfect -- or maybe perfect -- blend of positive and negative.
Can an acceptance speech make a difference in an election? This was one with the potential to do so. And as the Democrats' convention concluded with fireworks exploding at Denver's Invesco Field and stately orchestral music playing from the loudspeakers, Democrats were entitled to look at their once-improbable leader and say, Mission Accomplished. But the Republicans will have their chance to rip Obama apart at their convention next week -- and in the weeks following that. This will be a fierce and bloody election. There will be no more big speeches for Obama, though the debates between the candidates could end up mattering much. Yet on a night when the fast trajectory of Obama's extraordinary life intersected with the slow trajectory of American history, Obama made a passionate and forceful case for himself, for his campaign, and for his view of America and what must be done to serve its citizens. He gave his supporters cause for hope.
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Posted by: COC on Aug 29, 2008 8:04 AM
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The fundamental debate Americans ought to be having is whether the current policy of world domination is to continue, not which war is more justified.
Americans should debate whether to continue spending almost as much as the rest of the world combined to maintain its defense or whether savings from cutting the defense budget could be better spent by providing healthcare to all its citizens and repairing the nations infrastructure.
Americans should debate whether it makes sense to antagonize a nation that still has the capability to annihilate us or whether it makes more sense to reject the Bush doctrine of preemption.
Obama claims that a vote for McCain would be another four years of the failed Bush policies. But, the distinctions he makes won't make a difference.
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Posted by: maribelle on Aug 29, 2008 10:16 AM
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That said, I hope he finds a rich life blogging about what's important to him. (PS I agree with him about McCain, but still can't bear to read his pointlessly aggressive and bullying posts.)
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 29, 2008 4:37 AM
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There can be skill without intelligence, but Obama obviously has both.
If I were McCain, I'd be quaking in my boots just thinking about a debate.
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Posted by: 6399 on Aug 29, 2008 5:06 AM
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Yeah, reason for hope.
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Posted by: taxidriver on Aug 29, 2008 6:21 AM
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Seeing Obama joined by his attractive, loving, and smart wife and two gloriously fresh-faced girls, I asked myself, "How can this wonderful example of the American dream and the nuclear family possibly lose?" After all, they're the embodiment of conservative Christian values: loyalty, fidelity, love of God and country. Then I remembered: they're Black. Good heavens!
I hope and pray that enough Americans can put aside racial prejudices and vote for the candidate who truly represents the American dream.
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Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 29, 2008 6:45 AM
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If he was really about "Change We Can Believe In" during hi speech he would have talked about reinstating Constitutional Government and removal of Acts and Laws and Agreements that torch Constitutional government.
If Obama was really about Change We Can Believe In" he would have talked about Sound Money (e.g. Gold Dollar) instead of Money out of thin air as well as Exalting the Bill of Rights instead of "National Security."
Yeah their will be change... Largely socialist change unfortunately. The republic is Dead and it dies with an Applaud. :(
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 29, 2008 6:52 AM
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VOTENADER.ORG !!
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Posted by: BobbieP on Aug 29, 2008 7:05 AM
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60 years would have been enough time to figure out how to get clean nuclear energy. There isn't even a way to do a cleanup, so why continue.No small adjustments will change the big picture.
Chernobyl can blow again at any time now, as the solution they found was only good for 20 years, and that sell by date was 2 years ago.
Indian Point, right on a fault line, 25 miles from Manhattan, and leaking, continues to be supported by those who make the money, or get the patronage.
In Germany, a study proved that cancer is significantly higher in children who live withing the 100 mile radius of a reactor, and they are dismantling their entire system. A woman runs that country right now.
What makes us all so stupid?
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Posted by: mike1997 on Aug 29, 2008 7:17 AM
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Maybe the fundies will learn an important lesson. Sometimes the answer to your prayers is "no." Other times it's "HELL NO"
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Posted by: using on Aug 29, 2008 9:06 AM
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And that said, I can understand that you might be feeling, as the many of us are, that no one in the end comes through for us, they just use us to gain power or are backed by the same forces that are backing McCain. However, he is not the end...he is the beginning of derailing our downward spiriling. We need to find a way to support all movements in our favor and stand firm as a group for the things that are in our collective long range best interests.
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Posted by: The_Curmudgeon on Aug 29, 2008 11:00 AM
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In the summer of my fifth year, my parents set out to buy their first home. Every Sunday, my infant sister was left grandparents while mother, dad and I climbed into a green, two-door Nash and drove around Milwaukee from one open house to another.
At the time, Milwaukee was a prosperous city, growing in size as the industrial might of Allis-Chalmers and Johnson Motors and Harley-Davidson shifted back to consumer production, drawing tens of thousands of people from Midwestern farms and the rural South to well-paying jobs in the endless factories sprouting up and dotting the city’s south side.
As a result, the face of Milwaukee was changing.
Once dominated by the stern, round, white faces of Germans and Poles, the city was drawing a steady stream of southern black faces – people who were called “Negro’s” back then – that came from dirt poor counties of Alabama and Mississippi and Kentucky where they had no chance for a life, moving to a city where they could find a real job, not have to fear every sound in the night because lynching was still a law enforcement tool down South, and where they could send their kids to a decent school.
A combination of the country’s post-war, Eisenhower prosperity coupled with the huge number of new families being formed and new people moving into the city meant sub-divisions were sprouting up everywhere, like tulips in the warm spring sun. So, we spent Sunday after Sunday going from one new suburb to another. Some developments mother dismissed because the houses were “cracker boxes,” whatever that meant; some were too expensive, even with dad’s GI mortgage requiring only 5% down and a 2% interest rate waiting to be signed. Some had tiny kitchens; some had only one bathroom; others just two bedrooms.
But on one such Sunday outing, we found the perfect house: Four bedrooms, a big yard to play in and a basement for when it rained, a new school with a huge playground only three blocks away, and a Halen’s – the local grocery chain – within walking distance. I was very excited.
Suddenly, mother gave the real estate agent a curt “thank you” and hustled dad and me out to the car. As we drove away, I stood up to lean on the back of the front seat with its sticky, green, nylon upholstery to ask why we weren’t going to buy that neat house. Mother’s answer gave me my first introduction to the real world.
“Because the man said they won’t let Negroes buy houses here,” she explained, swivelling around to look at me. “That’s not right. Everyone should be able to live wherever they want.”
I had no idea what a radical family I’d been born into five years earlier, or what a political activist my mother was en route to becoming. Yet a short 10 years later, I wasn’t surprised when she flew to Washington to be part of the march and hear Dr. King’s speech. And 10 years after that, when she and father ended up on one of Nixon’s “enemies lists,” not only was I not surprised but took it as a complement.
As Obama spoke, tears filled my eyes remembering that Sunday afternoon and comparing it to what was happening last night. When I was a child, there were still lynchings in the south yet also neighbourhoods in a northern city where African-Americans could not live. But I lived long enough to see an African-American accept the Democratic Party’s nomination to be President of the United States – not because of his color but despite it.
Now Obama is one step away from becoming America's president. America took one huge step towards putting its racist past behind it.
We are a better people today than we were yesterday.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Aug 29, 2008 2:27 PM
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Good luck America, you're gonna to need it!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 29, 2008 2:57 PM
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HOPE. Hope I've held ever since I was old enough to understand politics and DC. I've never failed in being let down by the inaction,lies and failure to 'Walk their Talk'.
Yes, I hope we do move strongly away from oil. I hope the opportunities for alternative energy expansion are'nt just given to the rich but that grants for R&D are given to citizens.
I hope he will truly listen to the will of the people. A people that yearns for their presonal Freedom and Liberty to be returned. Hope,for Women's rights,to salary and reproductive
choice to become an amendment to the Constitution. I hope we begin as a people to recognize the need for Respect for eachother as beings of a Greater Creation not consumers.
I hope,should either party win,they actually do waht is good for the people and not just their fat contributers.
I hope the winners see the futility of war and killing and set about honoring all veterans
by setting up the means where war never happens again.
I hope the essentials of life, AIR,WATER and GOOD GROWING SOILS be seen as more valuable to life than gold.
I hope all the good they want to do happens and I hope that if we've been fooled again we,the poeple,will have the gumption to remove them from office,peacefully,respectfully,Constitutionally
for the good of the Nation and peace in the World
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Aug 29, 2008 5:04 PM
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--Any quote where McCain says the middle class are those making under 5 million a year I’ll GUARNANTEE were taken out of context. Show me the quote. Tax breaks to oil companies help keep gas prices low for you and me-good thing, not a bad thing. Tax breaks for big corporations? Sure why not. We have the highest business tax rate in the so-called “industrialized” world. If you had a choice of 35% tax rate or 10% tax rate, which would YOU choose if you were a business? Ever occurred to Obama that high tax rates on businesses would be the cause for the “outsourcing” of American jobs?
“We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President - when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.”
Not true.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304643903414901
“Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.”
There is NO specific targeting of tax breaks for ONLY those companies that send jobs overseas. As if the Bush policy was you only get a tax break if you send your jobs overseas?? Does Obama (or anyone else) really believe that?
“I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.”
Oh how noble.. You mean as opposed to Bush, who cut taxes for 100% of all working families??
“And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.”
--Jesus Christ Himself will not pull this country off of Middle East, European OR South American oil in 10 years. Partially because in the last 10 years, we refused to heed the advice of someone who knows a thing or two about energy-George W.Bush.
“I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less - because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.”
Ohhhhhh well lookie here! Did he steal this line from one of Bush’s speeches of 2000 or 2004?
“And today, as my call for a time frame to remove our troops from Iraq has been echoed by the Iraqi government and even the Bush Administration, even after we learned that Iraq has a $79 billion surplus while we're wallowing in deficits, John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war.”
Are you seroius?! The whole reason we’re in a position to negotiate at timetable in the 1st place is because of the surge, which Obama so adamantly opposed.. He has since removed language from his website criticizing the surge, but STILL hasn’t quite come around to saying it worked.
"If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have."
--Yeah sure you are, tough guy.. Just like you were ready to have town hall debates with John McCain "anytime, anywhere" and then pussied out and settled for only the 3 conventional debates.
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Aug 29, 2008 5:08 PM
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--Any quote where McCain says the middle class are those making under 5 million a year I’ll GUARNANTEE were taken out of context. Show me the quote. Tax breaks to oil companies help keep gas prices low for you and me-good thing, not a bad thing. Tax breaks for big corporations? Sure why not. We have the highest business tax rate in the so-called “industrialized” world. If you had a choice of 35% tax rate or 10% tax rate, which would YOU choose if you were a business? Ever occurred to Obama that high tax rates on businesses would be the cause for the “outsourcing” of American jobs?
“We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President - when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.”
Not true.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304643903414901
“Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.”
There is NO specific targeting of tax breaks for ONLY those companies that send jobs overseas. As if the Bush policy was you only get a tax break if you send your jobs overseas?? Does Obama (or anyone else) really believe that?
“I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.”
Oh how noble.. You mean as opposed to Bush, who cut taxes for 100% of all working families??
"I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less - because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.”
Ohhhhhh well lookie here! Did he steal this line from one of Bush’s speeches of 2000 or 2004?
“And today, as my call for a time frame to remove our troops from Iraq has been echoed by the Iraqi government and even the Bush Administration, even after we learned that Iraq has a $79 billion surplus while we're wallowing in deficits, John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war.”
Are you seroius?! The whole reason we’re in a position to negotiate at timetable in the 1st place is because of the surge, which Obama so adamantly opposed.. He has since removed language from his website criticizing the surge, but STILL hasn’t quite come around to saying it worked.
"If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have."
--Yeah sure you are, tough guy.. Just like you were ready to have town hall debates with John McCain "anytime, anywhere" and then pussied out and settled for only the 3 conventional debates.
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Posted by: bottom-line on Aug 29, 2008 7:49 PM
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WHY DON'T THEY AT LEAST BUILD US SOME BOMB SHELTERS, OR GIVE US A TAX BREAK TO BUILD ONE!
It's because they don't care about us. They hope we die. They can crawl down in their underground cities and military bases and wait it out while we are nuked and savaged away.
I'm sick of hearing about families blown up by American soldiers in this phony war on terror.
The government did it. Congress is going along with it. If we get a Democratic president with a Democratic congress, it will be no stopping the senseless bloodshed and tyranny, the torture, the horror that has been dished out to Americans, while the politicians ignore us and put on a big show for the cameras, as though anybody cared or believed any of them.
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Posted by: COC on Aug 29, 2008 8:04 AM
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The fundamental debate Americans ought to be having is whether the current policy of world domination is to continue, not which war is more justified.
Americans should debate whether to continue spending almost as much as the rest of the world combined to maintain its defense or whether savings from cutting the defense budget could be better spent by providing healthcare to all its citizens and repairing the nations infrastructure.
Americans should debate whether it makes sense to antagonize a nation that still has the capability to annihilate us or whether it makes more sense to reject the Bush doctrine of preemption.
Obama claims that a vote for McCain would be another four years of the failed Bush policies. But, the distinctions he makes won't make a difference.
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Posted by: maribelle on Aug 29, 2008 10:16 AM
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That said, I hope he finds a rich life blogging about what's important to him. (PS I agree with him about McCain, but still can't bear to read his pointlessly aggressive and bullying posts.)
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 29, 2008 4:37 AM
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There can be skill without intelligence, but Obama obviously has both.
If I were McCain, I'd be quaking in my boots just thinking about a debate.
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Posted by: 6399 on Aug 29, 2008 5:06 AM
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Yeah, reason for hope.
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» RE: Three Words . . .Yeah, well, things are bad and you need more than three words, unless you like.
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» Two HUGE Policies!
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» the most important reform is campaign funding reform, as Greg Palast said, we have
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Posted by: taxidriver on Aug 29, 2008 6:21 AM
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Seeing Obama joined by his attractive, loving, and smart wife and two gloriously fresh-faced girls, I asked myself, "How can this wonderful example of the American dream and the nuclear family possibly lose?" After all, they're the embodiment of conservative Christian values: loyalty, fidelity, love of God and country. Then I remembered: they're Black. Good heavens!
I hope and pray that enough Americans can put aside racial prejudices and vote for the candidate who truly represents the American dream.
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» No worries - Obama will win
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» Obama's Problem is not His Race -- it's his POLICTICS!
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» RE: Obama's Problem is not His Race -- it's his POLITICS!
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Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 29, 2008 6:45 AM
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If he was really about "Change We Can Believe In" during hi speech he would have talked about reinstating Constitutional Government and removal of Acts and Laws and Agreements that torch Constitutional government.
If Obama was really about Change We Can Believe In" he would have talked about Sound Money (e.g. Gold Dollar) instead of Money out of thin air as well as Exalting the Bill of Rights instead of "National Security."
Yeah their will be change... Largely socialist change unfortunately. The republic is Dead and it dies with an Applaud. :(
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 29, 2008 6:52 AM
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VOTENADER.ORG !!
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» Who are you talking about? Not Obama ....
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Posted by: BobbieP on Aug 29, 2008 7:05 AM
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60 years would have been enough time to figure out how to get clean nuclear energy. There isn't even a way to do a cleanup, so why continue.No small adjustments will change the big picture.
Chernobyl can blow again at any time now, as the solution they found was only good for 20 years, and that sell by date was 2 years ago.
Indian Point, right on a fault line, 25 miles from Manhattan, and leaking, continues to be supported by those who make the money, or get the patronage.
In Germany, a study proved that cancer is significantly higher in children who live withing the 100 mile radius of a reactor, and they are dismantling their entire system. A woman runs that country right now.
What makes us all so stupid?
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Posted by: mike1997 on Aug 29, 2008 7:17 AM
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Maybe the fundies will learn an important lesson. Sometimes the answer to your prayers is "no." Other times it's "HELL NO"
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Posted by: collins101 on Aug 29, 2008 7:57 AM
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» He's not the messiah. WE ARE.
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Posted by: using on Aug 29, 2008 9:06 AM
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And that said, I can understand that you might be feeling, as the many of us are, that no one in the end comes through for us, they just use us to gain power or are backed by the same forces that are backing McCain. However, he is not the end...he is the beginning of derailing our downward spiriling. We need to find a way to support all movements in our favor and stand firm as a group for the things that are in our collective long range best interests.
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Posted by: Michel on Aug 29, 2008 9:35 AM
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Posted by: The_Curmudgeon on Aug 29, 2008 11:00 AM
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In the summer of my fifth year, my parents set out to buy their first home. Every Sunday, my infant sister was left grandparents while mother, dad and I climbed into a green, two-door Nash and drove around Milwaukee from one open house to another.
At the time, Milwaukee was a prosperous city, growing in size as the industrial might of Allis-Chalmers and Johnson Motors and Harley-Davidson shifted back to consumer production, drawing tens of thousands of people from Midwestern farms and the rural South to well-paying jobs in the endless factories sprouting up and dotting the city’s south side.
As a result, the face of Milwaukee was changing.
Once dominated by the stern, round, white faces of Germans and Poles, the city was drawing a steady stream of southern black faces – people who were called “Negro’s” back then – that came from dirt poor counties of Alabama and Mississippi and Kentucky where they had no chance for a life, moving to a city where they could find a real job, not have to fear every sound in the night because lynching was still a law enforcement tool down South, and where they could send their kids to a decent school.
A combination of the country’s post-war, Eisenhower prosperity coupled with the huge number of new families being formed and new people moving into the city meant sub-divisions were sprouting up everywhere, like tulips in the warm spring sun. So, we spent Sunday after Sunday going from one new suburb to another. Some developments mother dismissed because the houses were “cracker boxes,” whatever that meant; some were too expensive, even with dad’s GI mortgage requiring only 5% down and a 2% interest rate waiting to be signed. Some had tiny kitchens; some had only one bathroom; others just two bedrooms.
But on one such Sunday outing, we found the perfect house: Four bedrooms, a big yard to play in and a basement for when it rained, a new school with a huge playground only three blocks away, and a Halen’s – the local grocery chain – within walking distance. I was very excited.
Suddenly, mother gave the real estate agent a curt “thank you” and hustled dad and me out to the car. As we drove away, I stood up to lean on the back of the front seat with its sticky, green, nylon upholstery to ask why we weren’t going to buy that neat house. Mother’s answer gave me my first introduction to the real world.
“Because the man said they won’t let Negroes buy houses here,” she explained, swivelling around to look at me. “That’s not right. Everyone should be able to live wherever they want.”
I had no idea what a radical family I’d been born into five years earlier, or what a political activist my mother was en route to becoming. Yet a short 10 years later, I wasn’t surprised when she flew to Washington to be part of the march and hear Dr. King’s speech. And 10 years after that, when she and father ended up on one of Nixon’s “enemies lists,” not only was I not surprised but took it as a complement.
As Obama spoke, tears filled my eyes remembering that Sunday afternoon and comparing it to what was happening last night. When I was a child, there were still lynchings in the south yet also neighbourhoods in a northern city where African-Americans could not live. But I lived long enough to see an African-American accept the Democratic Party’s nomination to be President of the United States – not because of his color but despite it.
Now Obama is one step away from becoming America's president. America took one huge step towards putting its racist past behind it.
We are a better people today than we were yesterday.
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» Stop crying. Get angry!
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Posted by: lindat on Aug 29, 2008 11:20 AM
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Posted by: Cathyc on Aug 29, 2008 2:27 PM
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Good luck America, you're gonna to need it!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 29, 2008 2:57 PM
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HOPE. Hope I've held ever since I was old enough to understand politics and DC. I've never failed in being let down by the inaction,lies and failure to 'Walk their Talk'.
Yes, I hope we do move strongly away from oil. I hope the opportunities for alternative energy expansion are'nt just given to the rich but that grants for R&D are given to citizens.
I hope he will truly listen to the will of the people. A people that yearns for their presonal Freedom and Liberty to be returned. Hope,for Women's rights,to salary and reproductive
choice to become an amendment to the Constitution. I hope we begin as a people to recognize the need for Respect for eachother as beings of a Greater Creation not consumers.
I hope,should either party win,they actually do waht is good for the people and not just their fat contributers.
I hope the winners see the futility of war and killing and set about honoring all veterans
by setting up the means where war never happens again.
I hope the essentials of life, AIR,WATER and GOOD GROWING SOILS be seen as more valuable to life than gold.
I hope all the good they want to do happens and I hope that if we've been fooled again we,the poeple,will have the gumption to remove them from office,peacefully,respectfully,Constitutionally
for the good of the Nation and peace in the World
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Aug 29, 2008 5:04 PM
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--Any quote where McCain says the middle class are those making under 5 million a year I’ll GUARNANTEE were taken out of context. Show me the quote. Tax breaks to oil companies help keep gas prices low for you and me-good thing, not a bad thing. Tax breaks for big corporations? Sure why not. We have the highest business tax rate in the so-called “industrialized” world. If you had a choice of 35% tax rate or 10% tax rate, which would YOU choose if you were a business? Ever occurred to Obama that high tax rates on businesses would be the cause for the “outsourcing” of American jobs?
“We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President - when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.”
Not true.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304643903414901
“Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.”
There is NO specific targeting of tax breaks for ONLY those companies that send jobs overseas. As if the Bush policy was you only get a tax break if you send your jobs overseas?? Does Obama (or anyone else) really believe that?
“I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.”
Oh how noble.. You mean as opposed to Bush, who cut taxes for 100% of all working families??
“And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.”
--Jesus Christ Himself will not pull this country off of Middle East, European OR South American oil in 10 years. Partially because in the last 10 years, we refused to heed the advice of someone who knows a thing or two about energy-George W.Bush.
“I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less - because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.”
Ohhhhhh well lookie here! Did he steal this line from one of Bush’s speeches of 2000 or 2004?
“And today, as my call for a time frame to remove our troops from Iraq has been echoed by the Iraqi government and even the Bush Administration, even after we learned that Iraq has a $79 billion surplus while we're wallowing in deficits, John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war.”
Are you seroius?! The whole reason we’re in a position to negotiate at timetable in the 1st place is because of the surge, which Obama so adamantly opposed.. He has since removed language from his website criticizing the surge, but STILL hasn’t quite come around to saying it worked.
"If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have."
--Yeah sure you are, tough guy.. Just like you were ready to have town hall debates with John McCain "anytime, anywhere" and then pussied out and settled for only the 3 conventional debates.
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Aug 29, 2008 5:08 PM
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--Any quote where McCain says the middle class are those making under 5 million a year I’ll GUARNANTEE were taken out of context. Show me the quote. Tax breaks to oil companies help keep gas prices low for you and me-good thing, not a bad thing. Tax breaks for big corporations? Sure why not. We have the highest business tax rate in the so-called “industrialized” world. If you had a choice of 35% tax rate or 10% tax rate, which would YOU choose if you were a business? Ever occurred to Obama that high tax rates on businesses would be the cause for the “outsourcing” of American jobs?
“We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President - when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.”
Not true.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304643903414901
“Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.”
There is NO specific targeting of tax breaks for ONLY those companies that send jobs overseas. As if the Bush policy was you only get a tax break if you send your jobs overseas?? Does Obama (or anyone else) really believe that?
“I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.”
Oh how noble.. You mean as opposed to Bush, who cut taxes for 100% of all working families??
"I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less - because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.”
Ohhhhhh well lookie here! Did he steal this line from one of Bush’s speeches of 2000 or 2004?
“And today, as my call for a time frame to remove our troops from Iraq has been echoed by the Iraqi government and even the Bush Administration, even after we learned that Iraq has a $79 billion surplus while we're wallowing in deficits, John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war.”
Are you seroius?! The whole reason we’re in a position to negotiate at timetable in the 1st place is because of the surge, which Obama so adamantly opposed.. He has since removed language from his website criticizing the surge, but STILL hasn’t quite come around to saying it worked.
"If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have."
--Yeah sure you are, tough guy.. Just like you were ready to have town hall debates with John McCain "anytime, anywhere" and then pussied out and settled for only the 3 conventional debates.
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» McCain and Obama are Both Phonies, Liars, Warmongers
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Posted by: bottom-line on Aug 29, 2008 7:49 PM
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WHY DON'T THEY AT LEAST BUILD US SOME BOMB SHELTERS, OR GIVE US A TAX BREAK TO BUILD ONE!
It's because they don't care about us. They hope we die. They can crawl down in their underground cities and military bases and wait it out while we are nuked and savaged away.
I'm sick of hearing about families blown up by American soldiers in this phony war on terror.
The government did it. Congress is going along with it. If we get a Democratic president with a Democratic congress, it will be no stopping the senseless bloodshed and tyranny, the torture, the horror that has been dished out to Americans, while the politicians ignore us and put on a big show for the cameras, as though anybody cared or believed any of them.
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