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Election 2008

Democrats: Don't Make Afghanistan Your War

By Katrina vanden Heuvel, The Nation. Posted August 28, 2008.


Biden, Obama, and the Dems are rallying to escalate the war in Afghanistan. But trading one war for another would be catastrophic.
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Barack Obama not only had the good judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, he argued for the need "to end the mindset that took us into" that war. So it is troubling that a man of such good judgment is now ramping up his rhetoric about how we need to end the war in Iraq to focus on what he calls the "central front in the war on terror" -- Afghanistan.

In his convention speech Wednesday night, Vice-Presidential nominee Joe Biden sounded hawkish notes -- not only in flagrantly misrepresenting the Georgia-Russia crisis but in talking about Afghanistan. (This holds true not just for the two Senators, but for too many Democrats in Washington who argue, mantra-like, that we need to leave Iraq in order to free additional troops to serve in "the right war.

Last month, the bipartisan Rand Corporation concluded in an important report that the very notion of a "war on terror" is counterproductive, and that intelligence and police cooperation should be the centerpiece of our strategy. More recently, New York Times columnist Tom Friedman -- no milquetoast when it comes to using military force -- criticized the Dems' position on Afghanistan as ill-conceived "bumper sticker politics." Friedman quoted a valuable Time article by Afghan expert Rory Stewart. Reporting from Kabul, Stewart explains: "A troop increase is likely to inflame Afghan nationalism because Afghans are more anti-foreign than we acknowledge, and the support for our presence in the insurgency areas is declining … The more responsibility we take in Afghanistan, the more we undermine the credibility and responsibility of the Afghan government and encourage it to act irresponsibly."

Stewart, a longtime observer of Afghan politics, makes clear that the temptation to throw more military forces at the problem may do more harm -- to our security, to the Afghan people who are already angry about mounting civilian casualties, and to the stability of a region whose underlying conflicts require political resolution not more US or NATO troops.

If elected, Senator Obama has the possibility of re-engaging with a world repulsed by Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. His election, allied with smart and more just policies, could turn a page on the reckless and destructive policies of mad men. But extricating the U.S. from one disastrous war to head into another will endanger that possibility -- while posing grave risks to the domestic agenda he has laid out. Before the new Democratic ticket of Obama/ Biden make a commitment to this new war, consider the sobering fact -- confirmed by the U.S. military -- that attacks by militants against the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan have risen 40 percent this year, compared with 2007.

In a recent statement, the British humanitarian organization Oxfam urged a change of focus: "Unless the next American President … builds on the existing commitments to help lift the Afghan people out of extreme poverty and protect civilians, it will be impossible for the country to achieve lasting peace…" We need to think beyond the reflexive response of troop escalation and begin the necessary, tough search for sane alternatives. If Americans are given a clear choice, how many would support bleeding more lives and resources in another failing occupation as an effective strategy of combating terrorism and promoting our national security?

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Katrina vanden Heuvel is editor of The Nation.

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Sane from insane.
Posted by: Captainmagic on Aug 29, 2008 12:40 AM   
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Oxfam is very confused about America's role in Afghanistan. The poor buggers think that you could possibly lead a country to stabilization with supply of food and education along with subtile support for a policing U.N. action......no ...NO..NO!!!!

You need to simply follow the good ole amerikan way and saturate the whole area with carpet bombing and lazer guided precision weopons of mass destruction fired by any cowboy who ever watched a western movie about shootin up tharn damna injuns.

May I humbly suggest that, in order to reduce the amount of catastrophic butchery and carnage that we leave out of any future equation....the need to have any...I said any..amerikan *help* whatsoever.Even if dealing with a war on tera...WWOOOOOOO!!!!!! Ima shakin in ma booots

They U.S has patently showed us that they cannot even govern themselves safely.

Yosemity Sam does you so well.

Obama said that you don't want another four like the last eight...excellent, know get the F@#K out of Iraq and Afghanistan and any where else you don't belong. Will that do?...It works for us.

Captain OUT

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Excellent Advice from Katrina ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 29, 2008 3:38 AM   
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One can only hope that Obama if elected will have someone on board that will convince him of it. I have serious doubts about the advisors Obama has on board.

Obama is already mired himself in DLC, Blue Dog policy on every issue. Obama would be a much better president than McCain but that ain't saying much.

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Shame on You Josh, Shame!
Posted by: Turiye on Aug 29, 2008 3:58 AM   
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A Vietnam Vet! You don't think he may call you out but the trite inane use of blatant obscenity such as F$$K on the Christian sneaky sexuality articles was okey Dokey? Have you seen Scott's site? Whom as a life long right wing Fascist now promotes an Progressive Agenda?
Way to go Josh and he was man enough to send you a letter of apology. This is unacceptable to me as someone that has their own blog and is a strict Constitutionalist.
Scott I will go to your site posthaste and put your link for your site on many TOLERANT sites that understand our Passions and Anger at this time. Thanks Scott's buddy. Forgive me I cannot go back to see your name but as a Vet of
the USAF and a Mom we Do NOT want any more WARS, though as a Veteranfor Peace. Especially Afghanistan which is a Tribal, Sectarian none of
our business battle which is as much over the control of the money making
Poppy as anything. If anything scorch them and it alleviates much fighting and bin Laden is dead anyway. No more death of Troops for civil Wars in the ME.

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» RE: Shame on You Josh, Shame! Posted by: janakiblum
Afghanistan is known as the graveyard of empires
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Aug 29, 2008 4:47 AM   
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Have Obama/Biden learned nothing from history? The Brits tried to conquer it - they lost it and lost their empire. Same thing with the Soviets who occupied it for 10 years - driven out and then the Soviet Union broke apart.

60 children were among the 90 killed in the latest strike. How must the Afghans feel upon hearing we now want to put more troops in their country? We went in there in 2001 and now the Taliban has moved up from the south and is practically outside the gates of Kabul. Karzai has no control outside Kabul. Even the CIA says we cannot win militarily alone.

NATO supplies the troops via the Khyber Pass from Pakistan. The Taliban has been concentrating their efforts (and winning) on cutting the supply lines, although you won't see that in the MSM. NATO is in serious trouble. Obama has it all wrong. Don't be fooled. His foreign policy is a disaster. More American troops and innocent civilians will die. It is just a question of how many until NATO is withdrawn.

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Hope and Fear
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Aug 29, 2008 5:08 AM   
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Once you break it you've bought it. That was the warning Bush received about going into Iraq, but it applies to Afghanistan as well.

The people of Iraq and Afghanistan both viewed the approach of the American army with a mixture of hope and fear, Iraq with more reason for hope but ironically it was Afghanistan that really began with the more hopeful attitude. Both have been disappointed in finding America so much more interested in building its empire than in building their nations.

Assuming Obama is elected, perhaps the people of these nations will give us another chance to treat them with more respect and to help compensate them for the damage inflicted by the Bush regime.

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Biden's speech last night gave me the chills
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Aug 29, 2008 5:20 AM   
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He parroted the same propaganda about Georgia that the White House/MSM has. I could not believe it. Completely leaving out the fact that Georgia attacked South Ossetia first. Tshkinvali has no military installations. Nothing but unarmed civilians hiding in basements. That was a war crime. They also bombed the only hospital in the city. War crime #2. Russia went in to protect the 90% of the population who are Russian citizens AND their own peacekeeping force who were stationed there. I don't see how they had any other choice. And don't forget we engaged the Georgian military in training exercises in the weeks leading up to the attack. Israel supplied them with weapons and technology. No way did they do this without a green light from the White House. It is all part of the neocons' game to encircle Russia. They are insane and Obama/Biden are following along. Here's a link to the timeline of US involvement in this:
GlobalResearch

Biden really pissed me off. Take a look at Obama's foreign policy team: Albright, Brezinski, Lake- all hawks from the Clinton era. I think Obama will make a big show of withdrawing some combat troops from Iraq but keep a large number around the (40?) bases we have there plus the embassy. We will have a permanent military presence there- while our multinationals extract oil and siphon off an obscene percentage of profits for themselves.

Then he will bog us down in Afghanistan. He will have no choice but to start bombing Pakistan (already happening with drones in the North-West Frontier Province) as the insurgents launch attacks from there.

Biden's speech just confirmed my worst fears- that they want war with Russia. The lies, propaganda and name-calling toward that country coming from the podium last night were chilling.

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This is a perennial problem with the Democrats
Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Aug 29, 2008 5:46 AM   
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Instead of changing the fundamental approach, they operate within the terms set by the Republicans. So instead of rejecting war as a solution, they just favor a different location. I didn't like the hawk-talk when Hilary Clinton did it (like around bombing Iran, for gawd's sake), and I don't like it with Obama and Biden.
Sue

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Speeches from the DNC
Posted by: suckerbeagle on Aug 29, 2008 6:48 AM   
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I agree with the reader who got chills from listening to the speeches. I'd say they gave me the willies. It was especially sobering to hear the people inside the arena clapping for this kind of talk. Meanwhile Ralph Nader held an 'Open the Debates' rally of 4,000 where he invited 3rd party candidates onto the platform with him.A film of Bob Barr was shown and Cynthia McKinney spoke.
I think the only way to vote 'No' on war is by going with Ralph Nader. I don't think you can separate a vote for Obama, the image, from the Obama whose actually policies and advisors are being brought into sharp relief as the convention plays out. Meanwhile, Iraq Vets Against the War stood out in the streets of Denver trying to get a three-point message into the convention and a response from the Obama campaign. They stood together in the street, peacefully and gallant in the face of threats of police violence against them. An Obama spokesman finally came out and made some vague promises. I remains to be seen if the IVAW spokespeople will be allowed to address the convention today as was promised. Thousands of people stood with them.
You can see it all on Democracy Now.

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» RE: Speeches from the DNC Posted by: James T. Ranney
Patterns...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Aug 29, 2008 6:50 AM   
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If we pull out of Iraq just to pour the troops into Afghanistan, what's to prevent the Taliban and Al Qaeda from just moving to where we're not. THAT has been the game all along. They do not fight us head on.
If we actually begin to move through the mountains towards Pakistan we'll eventually be fighting in Pakistan. We need to squeeze the extremists between two fronts. It must be coordinated and we must enlist the help of all the forces in the area who would like to see the extremists gone. Carpet bombing areas only creates more extremists.
The Soviets bankrupted themselves in Afghanistan because we supplied these same extremists with weapons and training in the 70's. Who can doubt that the Russians are doing the same thing to us?
The secret will be to support the local elements that want to eliminate their presence from the area. By trying to do it ourselves we become the 'bad guys' in the peoples viewpoint. Why are we such control freaks? Why can't we empower others to throw off their own tyranny? Why must we swat flies with cluster bombs?

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» RE: Patterns... Posted by: baloo
Sexy "abortion" sweetie should support Ralph Nader, not Obama or Mccain, if she really want to
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 29, 2008 7:56 AM   
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keep Afghanistan off the list of wars to keep waging.

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Obama is a trickster, man do we need him
Posted by: solrev on Aug 29, 2008 7:59 AM   
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We the people have internalized the psychobabble of fear and hate. Any candidate that does not pander to that will not be elected in this land. Enemies enemies everywhere and nary a drop to drink. Obama offers a message of replacing fear with hope. He has also reduced our enemy to a smaller number in a smaller place, by focusing our attention on the “real terrorists”. Now he can be strong enough to get elected. Once elected he can deal with Iraq, Iran, Syria, Israel, Palatine, Russia, China, and etc., as he would have them deal with us. The hand is quicker than the eye. Obama is a peacemaker and will change the world, but he has to get elected, ah there’s the rub. Give the people a taste of peace and they will love it. Having done that he will have won the war on terror. Obama is smart enough to know that you can not defeat ideology with bullets. The road may be bumpy but the path is clear.

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» Is he a good polititian... Posted by: buffeliscious
Endless war on farmers
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 29, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Vietnam was an endless war on farmers and their children in a big drug dealing country. We killed millions of these nonhuman things, er, actually they were quite human. If we wanted terror, that's what we succeeded at.

We blew up South Vietnam's neighbor, North Vietnam, who didn't recognize the line drawn by foreign powers through their country. When we carpet bombed North Vietnam, the nuclear-armed bigger fish sent North Vietnam some new armaments which could shoot down American planes. In the end the American economy was bled dry and the Americans were defeated.

Now we are engaged in an endless war on farmers, using our favorite weapon of carpet bombing, conveniently ignoring all of the heroin warlords in plain sight. Afghanistan is surrounded by nuclear-armed powers who really don't care if the U.S. is bled dry.

The past is prologue. The CIA supported the Shah of Iran, and Jimmy Carter abandoned his global stand on human rights to cozy up to the Shah. The shah lost. Then the CIA gave nerve gas to Saddam Hussein. Then U.S. operatives gave atomic bomb secrets to A.Q. Khan of Pakistan, who sold them to North Korea. Through a miracle, our assassinating guy in Pakistan resigned and left a stable government. However, the guerrilla war in Pakistan continues. We bomb Pakistan regularly.

I predict that in four more years we will not have won the hearts and minds of the surviving farmers, just their obedience to their drug lords, who will suck the poor farmers for every last Euro. In retaliation, some of the farmers will turn from their rotten murdering drug lords to support anyone else no matter how strange or dogmatic. Eventually a local shooting war will heat up and the drug kingpins will flee with their loot to Switzerland.

Can the U.S. win? Depends. If killing every citizen of Afghanistan is winning, yes they can win and hold onto the country for mining interests. If spreading the idea of democracy is winning, the U.S. can never carpet bomb or shoot its way to victory. We never had democracy in mind in the first place, not freedom of speech, not freedom from want, not freedom to vote, not freedom from fear.

There's one more problem. America has been bled dry. Uncle Sam has been successfully drowned in a bathtub by the NeoCons. Four more years of endless war at Iraq prices will cost each family another $40,000 mortgage that they don't have and that they're not about to get. Hitler phrased it as guns or butter. More like carpet bombing or bread. At this point, do you want bread, or no bread?

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So people who object to slaughtering innocent people are milquetoasts?
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Aug 29, 2008 8:19 AM   
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That's the problem, right there.

Why do we let people get away with saying these overseas military campaigns have anything at all to do with defending the country? Vietnam had nothing to do with defending the country. Neither did Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan or Iraq.

The people who died in these wars didn't give their lives for the safety of our families or our right to free speach. They were sacrificed because if we went too long without a war people would begin to ask why we spent so much money on weapons.

People who try to define things that way should be shouted down, even so-called "progressives" like Katrina van den Heuvel.

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make afghanistan our war?!?
Posted by: jstepp590 on Aug 29, 2008 8:49 AM   
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HELLO!! Whoever wrote this article is sorely in need of history lessons. We didn't make it our war, they did.

We cannot pull out without finishing the job there. If we pull our tails between our legs and run the people there will face far worse than a few misguided bombs.

We need to help them secure the border with Pakistan to cut off the flow of fighters and weapons. We may need to help train their military there. We may need to have special ops go after high value targets. We need to support our military when they do it.


To say that Dem's will own Afghanistan is not true, the American people already do and have since right after 9/11. This is where the attacks came from. This is where they harbored our enemies and refused to give them over. This is the country we should have stayed in and helped more, not gotten sidetracked in Iraq.

This is not the area for anti-war sentiment. We need to finish it through whatever means are assessed to be necessary. Liberal anti war beliefs have their place and provide an ideal for us to strive for. The Bible and Jesus himself are anti war. That doesn't mean we cannot use military force to secure our country and our allies from attack.

Let the military and state department finish Afghanistan and then use our shared beliefs to make sure we do not end up in another war, mostly through disastrous arrogant failed foreign policies. I believe that is the way we will go.

Beside, with 15k troops it's not like we're imposing our will militarily. There are more police in one city than that!

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» You're way off target... Posted by: buffeliscious
» RE: make afghanistan our war?!? Posted by: James T. Ranney
876
Posted by: 876 on Aug 29, 2008 9:17 AM   
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Obama, the genocidal madman, wants out of Iraq because the American people are sick of $4 gas and their sons being deployed for war but they’re still just thoughtless and blood thirsty enough to think ravaging Afghanistan will make them feel better about their irrational fear of “terrorists”. Obama promises war because that’s what Americans want, so much so that now even formerly consumed with Iraq McCain has begun promising to ravage Afghanistan. What Americans are too hysterical to understand is killing Afghans will bleed their economy and complicate their lavish lives every bit as much as killing Iraqis and won’t even eliminate their irrational maniacal fear of the “terrorist” boogey man to boot. You can’t beat an invisible ghost after all.

Meanwhile Joe Biden is babbling about how America must attack Afghanistan because the Taliban attacked the US, which is news to me.

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Leftovers for Dinner
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Aug 29, 2008 9:39 AM   
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The Nation editor is right: Will the Democrats give us more leftovers from their kitchen or do they serve up a new and more appetizing course for dinner?
Afghanistan is tired of war and foreign armies causing needless mayhem and destruction. Meanwhile Obama's only glitch was his idea on fighting the "war" on "terror" in that distant land. So far the Afghan populace are the ones who are terrorized by armies and the Taliban; and if we leave things might get better. It's worth a try. And the D's should realize our enemies are right here!
At any rate, if the Democrats want this change they spoke of Thursday, they must radically change our wicked foreign policy ideas.

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» RE: Leftovers for Dinner Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com
» Tne neoCONs ARE the Terrorists. Posted by: bottom-line
Did anyone else notice Obama pledge fealty of Israel and vow to continue the re-started Cold War?
Posted by: Jasonix on Aug 29, 2008 9:51 AM   
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I liked most of Obama's speech, and I believe he will do a lot more to improve our lives here at home than McCain, but I noticed he talked about "protecting Israel" and "confronting Russian aggression."

Sure, Israel has a right to exist, and the hatreds in that part of the world run so deep and so strong that it'll take generations to work it all out. But shouldn't we either want a two-state solution with the Palestinians getting their own state, or else that Israel be re-configured as a purely secular state where all ethnic groups and religions have equality? Right now, Israel is an expressly Jewish society, with something of a state-established religion, and seems to want to force the Palestinians to migrate to Jordan. (The usual argument I hear for this is that since Palestinians didn't have a formal state at the time Israel was formed, they have no right to stay in their own homes.) I'd much prefer it if Israel were a multi-ethnic society with separation of synagogue and state - and if the Palestinians would embrace an explicitly modernistic form of Islam or Christianity and forget about any dalliances with Islamists, something that'd be made easier if we stopped starving them and demolishing their homes.

And what's this deal about Russian aggression? The only "aggression" on Russia's part is a justified response to an attack on their own citizens by one of our allies. Sure, Russia's interests conflict with ours and they're often working against us on the international scene, but don't we want to gain the upper hand through diplomacy rather than making implicit military threats against the largest oil and natural gas supplier in the world? One with nukes to boot? Isn't that just stupid?

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Afghanistan may be the last death trap for the US Empire
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Aug 29, 2008 11:16 AM   
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The author is correct to state that sending more US/NATO military forces into Afghanistan will only serve to unite the entire country against foreign forces. Since 1992, majority of Afghans still harbor a great deal of resentment toward the Taliban and their unspeakable crimes and barbarisms against ordinary Afghans while in power. However Afghans have a strong sense of nationalism, perhaps unlike any other people and will regroup to encircle and defeat the foreign enemy first. Afghan will find strong purpose to unite as one and throuw out all enemies of the mother land. Afghans have been bleeding for the west's sake continuously for over 35 years and have been the main force behind the collapse of the British Empire, then the Soviet Empire, is it now American Empire’s turn?

On the question of Al Qaeda both senator Obama and Senator Biden are taking their hints from military contractors, i.e. Lockheed Martin, Raytheon corporation and other giant weapon makers, the neo-cons and anti Islamic hate monger elements. They seem to be ignoring the truths about 911 and who really was behind it. Osama has never accepted responsibility for 911 nor has there been any credible proof that he was responsible. 911 was a US government conspiracy, not a foreign one. In contrast there are reams of official US government and unofficial material on recently published books, the internet, etc... which make no such connections. Both candidates must be aware of 911 facts, not the government propaganda. Increasing number of Americans are catching up quickly to the facts of 911, it is impossible to hide it any longer and whoever attempt to hide or ignore 911 facts will be dismissed by the ever increasing number of Americans who bother to read/watch beyond FOX News bull shit.

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Beware large expansion of US role in Afghanistan
Posted by: Garvagh on Aug 29, 2008 11:38 AM   
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Great piece! The Financial Times yesterday also had a fine editorial warning of the counter-productivity of a large increase in military forces in Afghanistan when the only way to achieve stability is to raise living standards and improve security for individual Afghans.

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de facto genocidal-eco-cidal wars
Posted by: Robert K. MacDonald on Aug 29, 2008 11:52 AM   
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Katrina vanden Heuvel is wise to warn us about Obama and Biden promoting a larger U. S. war in Afghanistan.
Like the Vietnam war, Iraq and Afghanistan have become wars for oil and gas that naturally turned into genocidal wars because native resistance to foreign interventions and occupations always provokes the imperialists to slaughter the natives who oppose the foreign occupation or as collateral victims.
Almost ever U.S imperial conquest has turned out that way. Thousands of native Americans were killed, two million Vietnamese, hundreds of thousands of Filipinos, hundreds of thousand Iraquis, etc.
The American people, including most "liberals," show little or no concern about the victims of U.S. imperialism. The majority of liberals are tototally silent about the countless innocent victims of our wars.
The U.S. military uses uranium on the tips of most of its weapon projectiles, leaving vast lands poluted with deady radioactive dust and waters. This is deliberate ecocide and genocide (Kosovo, Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan.
Robert MacDonald www.psycho-imperialism.com

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Who in to hell is kidding who???
Posted by: symcokid on Aug 29, 2008 12:30 PM   
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We don't chose any wars for ourselves - our crooked government does!!!

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Nothing adds up, what, wars on a whim?
Posted by: symcokid on Aug 29, 2008 2:13 PM   
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I always thought there had to be justification for warring, not just fabricated lies and BS propaganda. Maybe someone wiser out there can explain how this USofA can war at will???

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Aug 29, 2008 11:14 PM   
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What emotional comments. The Rand corp is a right wing think tank with only one thing in mind, the always present shock doctrine,that they invented

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Warning: BS ALERT
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 30, 2008 5:08 AM   
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"Barack Obama not only had the good judgment to oppose the war in Iraq..."

Hold it right there.

Obama's "good Judgment" was handed to him by handlers such as George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski who are themselves both Rothschild/Rockefeller ruling class gofers.

Obama's opposition to an arrantly false Iraq War based on 1000 lies (Center for Public Integrity) has always been limited to lip service as he voted to fully fund sham 9/11 "war on terror" and implement an unconstitutional FISA spy state.

This story is limited hangout and has been since the coverup at 9/11.

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A short book on Afghanistan, graveyard of empires
Posted by: CJC on Aug 30, 2008 12:29 PM   
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"Into the Land of Bones; Alexander the Great in Afghanistan," Frank Holt, 2005.

Holt, a classics scholar, has written a book about how the "war lords" of Afghanistan even defeated Alexander the Great. Nothing to do with Islam, Pakistan, Osama bin Laden, Taliban, etc etc etc.

The problems of Afghanistan, and indeed of the world, do not have military solutions. No one can just kill all the "enemies" and then leave the world in peace.

One of the sources of the Taliban is ignorance, poor schooling not only in Afghanistan but Pakistan, which has an appallingly low literacy rate (look it up, cia.gov) and a decades long history of warfare. The highly knowledgeable Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid reports that the Taliban are largely made up of uneducated, ignorant orphans with few normal family connections. I'm not sure what the solution is but trying to kill them just perpetuates the problem.

Obama is one of the most intelligent politicians we have and a quick study. He should learn something about Afghanistan and not listen to the military and the warmongers and help start a smarter conversation in the US and the rest of the world.

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Katrina, you have already lost...
Posted by: Charley2u on Aug 31, 2008 7:54 PM   
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Success begins by recognizing your failures.

The Democrats are the Party of Washington. The Republicans are the Party of Wall Street.

Where is the people's party?

When China, Russia, and others starts demanding guarantees on their investments in Fannie and Freddie, who will represent you?

The time to choose between the Empire and the People is drawing near.

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