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Election 2008

Hillary Electrifies: "Nothing Less Than the Fate of Our Nation ... Hangs in the Balance"

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted August 27, 2008.


In a speech to a roaring crowd at the DNC, Hillary Clinton gave full support to Barack Obama, promising to fight for health care and the environment.
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Hillary Clinton urged her supporters to rally behind Barack Obama in a passionate and forceful address at the Democratic convention on Tuesday night that underscored her historic candidacy as the first woman to come within reach of a major political party's presidential nomination.

"I am so honored to be here tonight. I am here tonight as a proud mother, as a proud Democrat, as a proud senator from New York, a proud American and a proud supporter of Barack Obama," Clinton began, eliciting a rousing ovation. "My friends, it is time to take back the country we love, and whether you voted for me or you voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose."

"We are on the same team, and none of us can afford to sit on the sidelines," Clinton continued. "This is a fight for the future, and it is a fight we must win together. I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches, advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights here at home and around the world to see another Republican in the White House squander our promise. No way, no how, no McCain."

Clinton cemented her place as one of the Democratic Party's great modern leaders and used that authority to urge her supporters to join forces behind Obama. She described how her 18-month quest to the White House not only transformed herself, but also was a historic milestone in the ongoing struggle for woman's rights in America and the world.

"Tonight I ask you to remember what a presidential election is really about," she said. "When the polls are closed, and when the ads are off the air, it comes down to your lives and your children's future."

Clinton recounted people she met on the campaign trail -- a young mother without health care who was diagnosed with cancer; an injured veteran who asked her to take care of fellow soldiers still at war before helping him; and others -- and said, "You taught me so much, and you made me laugh, and yes, you even made me cry. You allowed me to become part of your lives, and you became part of mine."

"Most of all I ran to stand up for all those who have been invisible to their government for eight years," she said. "Those are the reasons I ran for president, and those are the reasons I support Barack Obama for president."

These statements brought tears to the eyes of some delegates at the convention. Clinton then shifted from recounting her experience as a candidate to the imperative of electing a Democrat to the White House. While other speakers earlier in the evening, notably a succession of successful Democratic governors from traditionally Republican states, spoke of Obama's candidacy as a choice between the past and the future, Clinton described the stakes in more personal terms. She then challenged her supporters, including many delegates who were still struggling with Obama's victory, to look beyond their feelings to work for the good of the country.

"I want you to ask yourselves, were you in this campaign just for me," she asked, "or were you in it for that young Marine? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?"

Clinton then recounted key points from her campaign, from health care for all to energy independence based on green-collar jobs, saying these were part of the Democrats' agenda and adding that she was looking forward to Obama signing bills on those issues into law as president. She then contrasted that agenda with Republican proposals led by the GOP presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.

Citing issues of equal pay for equal work for women, reviving the economy, ending the war in Iraq and restoring America's reputation in international affairs, Clinton said McCain was not offering Americans new solutions to today's pressing problems. Instead, she said the Republican nominee's agenda was so similar to that of the Bush White House that "it makes perfect sense that John McCain and George W. Bush will be together in the Twin Cities (in Minnesota for the Republican convention), because these days they are awful hard to tell apart."

Clinton ended her speech by citing the decades-long struggle for women's rights in America. She recalled the first suffragists who sought voting rights for women and fought for years against the longest of odds. She spoke of Harriet Tubman, the runaway slave, who told people never to stop fighting for freedom and dignity. She told the Democrats that her mother was born before women had the right to vote and her daughter was able to vote for her mother for president, as a testament to progress in America. And she urged all Democrats to work in that spirit to elect Obama.

"We don't have a moment to lose or a vote to spare," Clinton said. "Nothing less than the fate of our nation and the future of our children hangs in the balance."

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Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org. He is the author of Count My Vote: A Citizen's Guide to Voting (AlterNet Books, 2008) and co-author of What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election, with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (New Press, 2006).

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Hats off to the woman
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 27, 2008 12:16 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've accused Hillary Clinton of wanting to sabotage the Obama campaign. Tonight she seems to have come around. If she was sincere in her address to the delegates at the convention, then good for her.

I was very vocal in my disdain for the Clinton campaign. Some have said it was sexism. The fact of the matter it was her vote to give the little thug in the White House the authority to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq. My support for Obama over Clinton no more made me a sexist than my support for Edwards over Obama early on in this process made me a recist. John Edwards, to his credit, later said that his initial support for the invasion was a dreadful mistake. I am still waiting for Senator Clinton's mia culpa. Barack Obama got it right from the start.

A great key note speach is one thing (and it really was a memorable one) now she has to prove her loyalty to her country and her party and get out on the campaign trail and see to it that President Obama takes to oath of office next January 20.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
The Senile Old Bobblehead

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» RE: Good for you Posted by: solrev
» RE: Hats off to the woman Posted by: cyclopsina
» RE: Hats off to the woman Posted by: sallythewally
» RE: Hats off to the woman Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Hats off to the woman Posted by: emmas
» RE: Hats off to the woman Posted by: tennismom
Link to the RANT
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 27, 2008 12:18 AM   
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» typo - doesn't work Posted by: war_on_tara
Whoop-i-di-doo.
Posted by: -matti on Aug 27, 2008 1:01 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Democrats don't shoot themselves in the foot and stand united (kinda).

I guess its Progress or a sort.

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Hillary-rex
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Aug 27, 2008 2:34 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
She's debt-ridden, irrelevant and leads a band of Clintonoids that goose-stepped for too many years in consort with conservatives. Her campaign was a debacle laden with in-fighting, defections, rancor and criticism of her detachment from reality. We now read that her band of allies are pissed off because they were denied choice booking at the elite Ritz-Carlton in Denver that was reserved for Obamarama's major fundraisers. Its over and she can return to her ignominy as New York's junior senator that dishonors the legacy left by Daniel Moynihan, her illustrious predecessor. When she achieves something in life that is relevant, let me know. Until then, join the dinosaurs in the Smithsonian!

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» RE: Hillary-rex Posted by: seilnotnilc
» RE: Hillary-rex Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Hillary-rex Posted by: hilaryuk
Hillary Blows MSM Wind Up the Nations' BackSide
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 27, 2008 2:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The woman is a transparent shill for ruling class parasites that bankrolled her mate Slick Willie to DC along with all other temp stooges including the current batch in Obama and NeoCon Biden.

The fact McCain is more obvious about the corporate monopoly Fascist strings he dances on is made so by the other faux Democrat "progressive" in this cooked "race" - McCain handler NeoCon Lieberman.

Anyone that takes this DNC orgy as more than the 3 ring circus it is should wake up to smell the Big Oil and Wall Street blood money.

If you think that's a harsh assessment?

Wait till these underling clowns go back to Washington after the jamboree rally and take the next round of orders from their 9/11 "war on terror" paymasters.

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» Since when.... Posted by: CatDad
Google Hillary & Bill Clinton along with MENA ARKANSAS
Posted by: PointMan on Aug 27, 2008 3:09 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You'll get a major dose of you need on the "Fate of Our Nation" under these creeps and the treacherous corporate crime network they work for.

Real candidates aren't anywhere near that cesspool of a faux Democratic convention.

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Powerful words coming from ALTERNET
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Aug 27, 2008 3:29 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Have'nt read it, and will now. thought I'd comment first. Powerful Headline. Everyone must get behind this. I wish Nader and all the fringe candidates would push for a democracy rather than trying to suck off votes in the hope of some Underdog miracle. I often wander who they really work for. I will now mention one name: Eleanor Fulani, yes she took the California Peace and Justice Party and divided it, divided the convention and seized contol. It has never been the same. We lost many people since that time, 1980's. We have not seen a campaign as committed to human rights and justice since before the 1980's. Obama can't measure up to those old ideals, but they are still alive in everyone of us. These ideals of organic farming, peace and love can be seen in todays demands for green energy, green production, hybrid cars, new technologies, sustainability, green tourism, an end to war, a removal of troops in occupied lands, and a return of the Constitution to the American voters. The dream continues. Once a democrat is elected, we can continue to push for our dreams and demand accountability. Let's get Haliburton out of the government. Let's get Black water employees some workman's compensation funds, and let's put real americans, those who can see beyond race and nation, back to work, living the life they dreamed of living. We will not be slaves. See www.zeitgeist.com for some hard hitting facts about religion, Bush family ties, and a hypothetical future involving corporate government and massive information control. If you want to preserve your small right to demonstrate freely, you must elect a democrat.

Jeffrey

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» Blackwater?!?! Posted by: DreamFast
FMA in Mass
Posted by: FMABBI on Aug 27, 2008 3:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary did exactly what she needed to do with that well-crafted speech. She was gracious, statesman-like, forceful, even funny at times, and showed the world that the Democrats are working hard to unite. Give her a break! I am a passionate Obama supporter and found Hillary to be an unsavory, unauthentic candidate BUT now she is trying as hard as she can to get her supporters to vote for Obama and other Democrats. I say it's a very good thing and thank you, Hillary!

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» Hillary's Presence at the DNC Posted by: LeaderofMen
Hillary supporters on the (UK) Channel 4 News vowing to vote for McCain
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 27, 2008 3:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not a pretty sight, I'm afraid. A unifying speech by Hillary isn't likely to sway all her supporters. There's no law against being irrational and women are as entitlted to be idiots as men are.

Speaking of voting, can we make our own paper trails? What if a large number of people in a voting precinct asked for absentee or postal ballots and photocopied them and others in the precinct used cell phone cameras to record how they voted?

Couldn't we have voters swearing affidavits, maybe even make this possible to do upon exiting the polling area?

If nothing else, such oversight might force the cheaters to scale down their manipulations.

The ballot has been secret supposedly to protect voters from duress, but it could work the other way round as well.

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» Free press? Posted by: Tom Tele
» RE: Not to Worry Helenwheels Posted by: helenwheels
thought it said Electrified
Posted by: schnoggi on Aug 27, 2008 4:38 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
that i would have watched. Great, so she had to eat crow and play for the team, after nearly getting the keys and running it all straight into the wall. And we admire her for that? What is this, Stockholm Syndrome? We so dodged a bullet on this; let her do her little walk of shame and then get the hell off the stage and stay off, and take your blinkered supporters with you. Good riddance.

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disgusted by all that is clinton
Posted by: seilnotnilc on Aug 27, 2008 5:00 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
'Clinton cemented her place as one of the Democratic Party's great modern leaders'

if the above is true how low has the bar been set? will we need to retrieve it with a post hole digger?

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Dog and pony show
Posted by: chlamor on Aug 27, 2008 5:02 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am told I should vote Democrat, simply to get rid of the Republicans. Or I should vote for whatever candidate is opposing the incumbent, simply to throw the bums out. Or because the Democrats will impeach Bush, a highly unlikely scenario. All of this, of course, is simply a well-oiled shell game, for as the historian Carroll Quigley wrote, there is no difference between the parties, they are essentially cut from the same cloth. According to the elite who run things behind the scenes, “the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy… It should be possible, to replace one party with the other party which will pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policy.”

The political system that best serves the interests of the rich is the one that A) obediently does their bidding, while B) posing theatrically as a "democracy," in a convincing enough way so that most people don't catch on that they're simply being played. Objective "B" serves to greatly reduce resistance.

The illusion of "choice" and "free elections" is very important to the ruling class. They recognize that this pretty illusion makes their job much easier, so they want to preserve it. The rituals of campaigns & elections function to con most of the population into believing that "they're free." Most people will never clearly recognize that the choice they're being offered is a highly contrived one. They're being forced to choose between 2 parties which are united against them, rigged to serve the interests of their oppressors.

In today's US, especially at the national level, elections are worse than worthless -- they simply perpetuate illusions & waste time. They are degrading & repulsive exercises in Madison Avenue PR techniques, where "the truth" is off limits from the get-go. Effort should be directed not at participating in this system, but at bringing it down, exposing its corrupt essence, & building genuinely constructive alternatives.

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» RE: Dog and pony show Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Dog and pony show Posted by: Tom Tele
» RE: Dog and pony show Posted by: chlamor
» RE: Dog and pony show Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Dog and pony show Posted by: chlamor
» 8 Years of Solitary Posted by: LeaderofMen
» LeaderofMen? Posted by: chlamor
» RE: Dog and pony show Posted by: bottom-line
Any mention
Posted by: chlamor on Aug 27, 2008 5:03 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
of cutting the military budget?

Thought not.

Wake me up when we get to that.

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» RE: Any mention Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: Any mention Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Any mention Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Any mention Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Any mention Posted by: Sissy
"One speech" will not Redeem Her
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 27, 2008 5:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The decsions she made while in the Senate, the lack Over Sight by the Senate Armed Services Com- which allowed our kids to be dragged into a war for Corp Oil control with out enough manpower,clear objectives, adequate protective equipement and No exit plan in sight.
Her outrageous, Neo Con tactics while on the campaign trail. Her attempt to par out Womens rights and issues from the Equal Rights movement.Her use of Sexist patronizing ideologies to change the rules for her own benefit (demanding popular vote counts from states SHE had agreed would not count!).Her endorsement of McCain over Obama. Her parroting Mac's 'Bombbomb Bomb Iran', with "Obliterate Iran".Geraldine Ferraro's Blatantly Racist disregard for Obama. Hillary's Patronizing "And the Sun will come out"- not just a bitch slap to Obama, but to Real Democrats who've been champions of Hope for progress for DECADES! Her Lies, Her failure to concede, Her failure to release her delegates, Her Roll call demand, her Unwarranted debt she won't even beg her "Hillraisers" to kick in a $1.25 each to settle.....
This RECOVERED CLINTONIAN will not forgive her for the Numerous and brazen 'neoCon' moves she has made over the last 6 years.Her Red slip dropped out from under her Blue pantsuit.
The Clinton years have come in to focus and they are a Real disgrace. Thank God Teddy let them Know the 'Ol School Dems' still reign, Out with the DLC traitors who are nothing more than Corporationists in Blue!!
Get with the Program or Get out of the Democratic Party!Labor & Human Rights-simple if you have not sold your soul to the corps!
God I loved watching Teddy Bitch slap the Clintons, and the rest of the so called 'Reagan Democrats'-Oh to have been a fly on the wall and seen their faces!
funny they have not realized Real Dems have not been supporting their "Third Way" candidates..well vote to keep out Republicans, but were not true supporters of Gore '00 or Kerry '04,We could smell the corp whore stench-The DLC Reeks of Corp Complicity. Reason Obama got so much grassroot support/volunteers..He's a real Democrat.
As far as I'm concerned Hillary is nothing more than LIEberman in drag- also a DLC'er and the reason he hasn't been thrown off His committes.
Interesting reading the DLC's "Third Way" sounds alot like HW's "New World Order"
Screw the Clintons and Their minions, kick them to the curb like the rest of the shit from the last century!!!

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» Clinton and Obama both suck. Posted by: maxpayne
Hillary was tepid at best
Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Aug 27, 2008 5:14 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I thought her speech sounded like a stump speech - all about herself, with just the very, very minimum in way of support for Obama (or Biden or Michelle Obama for that matter). In fact, I thought that her bit about healthcare for each and every American - from the person who squandered an earlier healthcare opportunity - was a dig at Obama. She said nothing about his particular qualities, abilities or policies - just that the Democrats needed to win. She didn't even offer the usual "worthy opponent, great campaigner" rhetoric.

I cringed the whole way through (and I'm not a big Obama cheerleader) at the display of weakness of the Democratic Party and Obama in the face of these Clintons. And I find it odd that that speech is being so praised by Democratic sources.
Sue

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» Damning with faint praise Posted by: lettylake
» she was better than that Posted by: Tom Tele
» RE: Hillary was tepid at best Posted by: Katzenminze
» Agree Posted by: topbrick
level head
Posted by: zorrotech on Aug 27, 2008 5:15 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary did a great job of showing Obama support. This morning I read a sour comment about how Obama is not for population control or whatever. You know there is a point where the left becomes the right. Fascist plans involving population control ignore that people are packed in cities like sardines in a can because we are all plugged into the powergrid run by the oil companies and the electric companies. Hopefully Obama will help introduce suppressed energy answers which will allow people to move into open unused land, then there would be no population problems. Eventually the suppression of cures for diseases by the same cartels will have to tumble down next. No matter your imperfections, thank you Hillary for continuing to emphasize health care for there can be no life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness if you are dead.

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» RE: level head Posted by: jegnj
I Agree With You, Tom
Posted by: Carol Burns on Aug 27, 2008 5:48 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...although I couldn't get your link to work. I have always backed Barack, but Hillary's speech last night brought a tear to my eye. All you naysayers can proceed to exit, stage left and remain in your caves. If she did anything last night, she showed everyone why she is a Senator and why she was a strong contender for President. She also left no doubt that she stands solidly behind our next President of the United States, Barack Obama.

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This is what I heard.....
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Aug 27, 2008 6:13 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
....her usual running into someone.

"Why just the other day.......I ran into a young woman with no legs.........she was doing her best to raise four children on her own.........her wheelchair had one good wheel.......the other was made from a frisbee taken from the oldest child....the only toy he had ever owned. The wheelchair was uneven.....and she could only roll in circles.....because her job as a reader for the blind just two blocks away required a straight path.......she was fired. She said she just wanted some hope.
Is it too much to ask.....to give someone hope.......to give her....whatever her name was.......hope, that her dreams can be fulfilled......is it asking TOO MUCH THAT EVERYONE SHOULD REACH FOR THE STARS.......TO RISE UP AND SAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST HOPE FOR AND DREAM FOR A BETTER FUTURE.....WE CAN AND SHOULD WALK THRU THE DEWY GRASS OF A NEW DAY TO REACH A BETTER TOMORROW!!!

Why just the other day.....I ran into a little boy........


She could care less about people........other than herself.


Allstar Cookie

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» RE: This is what I heard..... Posted by: Allstar Cookie
» RE: Sincerity Posted by: Lincoln fan
» OMG Posted by: LeaderofMen
Disgusted by your rancor at Hillary Clinton
Posted by: clthompson on Aug 27, 2008 6:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am disgusted at so many posts I've read about this article. It's seems that so many of you have bought into the ultra conservative line that continually diminishes Hillary and Bill Clinton. One of you even quoted that nickname the ultra rightists gave Bill when he was in Arkansas, Slick Willie.

As for her vote in Congress to so-called "authorize" the war, she believed the administration's lies, as did many. Her vote was to give diplomacy a chance first. Of course we all know the story. Bush had it in mind to attack Iraq when he got into office, and he took the vote as permission to plunge right in, and, sadly, he did so.

I live in Arkansas and was horrified to hear the outright vicious lies posted about the Clintons during the Presidency and beyond. It is true that Hillary waged a tough campaign, but I admire her tenacity and the focus she has put on the average American since she was in college. Read her college addresses. They show a girl dedicated to her country and to the middle class. While she has to work from the center sometimes to get things done (as did Bill), that is precisely what makes her great: she rises above partisanship and works to actually get something done.

Enough with parroting the right wing smears about her! Look at what she says, how she says it, and be enlightened.

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» Hillary was not fooled by bush. Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» Hillary "Goldwater Girl" Rodham Posted by: GuitarBill
» Amen! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» Right on! Posted by: topbrick
RE: URAH to Hillary
Posted by: Quannah on Aug 27, 2008 11:29 AM   
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Oh, this is ridiculous! Hugh, get a life!

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Tell Hugh not to feel bad...Joshua bans everyone
Posted by: Leadlip on Aug 27, 2008 1:02 PM   
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thats takes on AIPAC...He is after all, one of them....

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» Brain-dead anti-semitism Posted by: Joshua Holland
» No, Lauren ;-) Posted by: Joshua Holland
Agreed!
Posted by: clvngodess on Aug 27, 2008 6:42 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Nice pun by the way, "well-oiled shell game"....

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Same Old Arguments, same old anger rekindled
Posted by: gabbyone on Aug 27, 2008 7:04 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have never seen any group of winners continue to be such losers. I predict if Obama loses it will be more because of his supporters than him. It will not be Hillary,
she did her part. I find the comments about
her voting for the war even more disingenous
now that you all seem to have embraced Biden as the candidate for the number two spot. The curtain is going to be pulled away from Obama once the conventions are over and the true Wizard of Oz will be seen for the nothing he is. Maybe he will at least figure out a way to give his supporters a heart before he returns to the Senate and does the job he promised us in Illinois in 2004 that he would do and never delivered on.

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» Biden -vs- Clinton war vote... Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» Points well taken Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: Satan is a Republican Posted by: Lauren
» Nope, You're Wrong Posted by: LeaderofMen
How did everybody like
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Aug 27, 2008 7:12 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
the video tribute? I think it might have been more effective to have just built a shrine for hillary where we could all worship her, even after the convention. She would have loved that but the video stopped just short of it. What an ego! She should have been embarrassed to have a big tribute to her --it was like a big propaganda to set her up for 2012, building her up to be a bigger deal than she is. She without remorse sent us to war in Iraq and has sold her soul to the MIC and the medical/pharmaceutical corporations and the video builds her up to be gawd's gift, whatever! And she hasn't even been a Senator for two terms (oh so much experience!)!

Maybe I'm weird, but I like a politician that shows a lot more humility than the zero humility hillary exhibits. Although obama betrayed his country with his FISA vote and lost my support, I respect him much more for his humility.

When I watched that video I felt like, with all the thoroughly thought out music and imagery, I was being brainwashed, being manipulated. They no doubt got psychologists involved in its creation.

Anyway, glad she responsibly pitched for Obama, and I will say it was a good speech, but I couldn't help but notice how she did a lot of framing of her speech to stroke her own ego so she can come back in 2012 and annhilate Iran and make the medical and pharmaceutical corporations richer at our expense!

She remains a a sold-out snake in the grass. Go green! Democrats lie and exagerate about what they will do for the country; just look at their behavior the last eight years.

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» Not hissy fits Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: How did everybody like Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: How did everybody like Posted by: Lauren
Hickory Dickory Hillary,
Posted by: symcokid on Aug 27, 2008 7:36 AM   
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said, "the time is now to unite the Democratic Party", this must be the time for a change part that Obama said, "was due"! Once the convention partying is over and done they can get down to business and decide what other principalities have resources that we can take over. We should be able to get our meathooks into Africa's oil supply now, that would be a change.

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» RE: Hickory Dickory Hillary, Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
X-POLYGAMIST WIFE
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Aug 27, 2008 7:56 AM   
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John McCain hasn't lifted a finger to help the thousand of FLDS women and children trapped inside Colorado City, Arizona, the largest polygamous enclave in the United States.

http://www.bankingonheaven.com

Abraham Lincoln, a white man, freed the black slaves. Maybe Barack Obama, a black man, will free the white slaves, because that's what polygamy is, white slavery.

Vote for Change! Vote for Barack Obama!

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» RE: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE Posted by: Lauren
» all marriage is slavery Posted by: hurricane hugo
Nothing Less Than the Fate of the Universe Hangs in the Balance
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Aug 27, 2008 8:26 AM   
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Waaaaaah!!!!

I guess a hyperbolic phrase such as this marks the official kick-off of The Silly Season.

Didn't they try and sell the same garbage just two years ago to get Do-Nothing Pelosi into the big seat with the corner office?

They must really thing we're stupider than a box of rocks to keep falling for this stuff over and over again.

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» Thank you ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: AMEN Posted by: Lauren
Universal Healthcare by the Government (shudder) -- Means Government by Big Pharma
Posted by: bottom-line on Aug 27, 2008 8:35 AM   
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National Healthcare at the hands of the criminals who own both parties means euthanasia, forced drugging, and centralized databanks of "useless eaters."

Big Pharma is already getting laws passed requiring mandatory shots, murderous medicine, like Gardicil. Most of Big Pharma's meds are either useless or murderous. I don't want to pay for them for me or for anybody else.

Remember Nazi Germany, who invented the ovens, who drew up the first lists of their useless eaters, ie the retarded children, WWII amputee victims, even bedwetters.

You want a government worker with a badge dangling off his neck knocking at your door to see if you and your family are up to date on your shots? Do you want to be forced to get mercury (thimerisol) or aluminum or formaldahyde (the preservatives used in the shots and vaccines)shot directly into your bloodstream? Do you want their ideas of a "good diet" forced on you at the point of a gun? Do you want them forbidding you to own a chicken or a goat or a duck or a goose in order to "protect" your health?

Watch Town of Allopath online, Google it up.

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» Off Your Meds? Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: Off Your Meds? Posted by: bottom-line
» RE: Off Your Meds? Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Off Your Meds? Posted by: Sissy
glass ceiling?
Posted by: Becky on Aug 27, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Does anyone else wonder why Hillary has so much trouble remarking on the fact that Obama's candidacy is also making history? I thought her speech was good overall, but it would have gone a long way towards healing the rifts her campaign against Obama caused if she could have admitted she wasn't the only one breaking a ceiling.

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» RE: glass ceiling? Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: glass ceiling? Posted by: Lauren
Alternet has become 100% sucked up into the Democratic Party machine
Posted by: logansafi on Aug 27, 2008 9:41 AM   
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Well, I'm off to the DP convention protests again today an hour and a half away from where I live. You guys can stay here and chat up a bunch of baloney about Obama and Hillary all you want, but I have by far the most popular sign to be shown amongst the Carnival crowd at this idiotic festivity. It simply reads...

BOTH PARTIES SUCK

The people love it! It captures precisely what we all know to be really true, too. Americans really are aware that both are not our political parties, and both of them about as equally as each other in that aspect. Have a Joe Biden day.

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» Spot on Posted by: chlamor
» RE: Spot on Posted by: Dboy
Just because you heard it on TV doesn't make it true.
Posted by: weslen1 on Aug 27, 2008 9:48 AM   
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Hillary has gone way further than she needs to, to help Obama, now that he's the presumptive nominee. But it wouldn't matter what she does, what she says, or what lengths she goes to, you die hard Clinton HATERS will continue to HATE without reason. That WOMAN could get up on stage, douse herself with gasoline, set FIRE to herself to help Obama and you would say, "Yeah! She put on a good SHOW, but she didn't use PREMIUM GASOLINE."
The MSM keeps the "fires" burning with their questions about her "sincerity", her "commitment to Obama" and on and on and those of you who are determined to HATE HILLARY will do so no matter WHAT. Hillary doesn't OWE Obama ANYTHING. She made a great speech and she's doing her best. If she convinced even half of those "Democrats" who say they will support McCain over Obama, that's a great thing. It's up to Obama to convince the rest. What gives any of you the right to JUDGE and find her GUILTY? Anyone who CLAIMS to be a Democrat OR an intelligent independent is lying if they would condone, let alone vote for, another Bush Administration. Or they are part of the FILTHY RICH who actually have benefited from the criminal Bush Administration's policies.

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Watch Recount
Posted by: Southern Gal on Aug 27, 2008 9:50 AM   
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Hillary gave a great speech. She's a class act and she did her part to inspire everyone there including her supporters to support Obama. The challenge is now on Obama and Biden, their supporters and the Democratic Party to win this election. I watched "Recount" on DVD last night. It reminded me that the Republicans will do anything to win an election. No Mr. Nice Guy for the Republicans. It's take off the gloves, do any dirty deed and go for the jugular with them. McCain is the Republican candidate. Go after him. It's not enough to expect that people will vote for Obama because they hate Bush and his policies. The people want substance to their candidate and they want to know that Obama will fight for them and their interests.

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Obama doesn't need Hillary supporters. Obama needs the Nader/Mckinney supporters !
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 27, 2008 9:52 AM   
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And the reason is self-explanatory. If you can't figure it out, you haven't been PAYING ATTENTION !!

VOTENADER.ORG !!

PEACE !!!

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» you guys are Posted by: Drclaw
» RE: you guys are Posted by: maxpayne
» quite true Posted by: Drclaw
» RE: quite true Posted by: maxpayne
» I totally understand Posted by: Drclaw
» Oh I'm not worried . . . Posted by: Scientz
If Obama Loses
Posted by: chlamor on Aug 27, 2008 11:02 AM   
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Don't miss this article by Paul Street. Here's a clip:

Kicking Progressives in the Face

The ugly conceit with which Obama has been willing to risk alienating progressive, left-leaning voters could come back to haunt him in November. The militantly centrist corporate-sponsored Obama has irritated many of his leftmost supporters with the lurches he has made further to the right after securing the Democratic presidential nomination. Even I (a consistent left critic of Obama since his highly conservative 2004 Keynote Address) have been surprised at the speed and strength with which he has kicked his more progressive supporters in the face (and other bodily regions) by:

* embracing the Supreme Court ruling that invalidated a Washington D.C ban on personal handguns and claimed that the Second Constitutional Amendment pertains to private citizens, not just organized state "militias."

* declaring his belief in the state's right to kill certain criminals, including child rapists.

* becoming the first major party presidential candidate to bypass the public presidential financing system and to reject accompanying spending limits (violating his earlier pledge to work through the public system and accept those limits).

* supporting a refurbished spy bill that grants retroactive immunity to telephone corporations who collaborated with the White House in electronic surveillance of American citizens (violating Obama's earlier pledge to filibuster any surveillance legislation containing such immunity).

* appointing the corporate-friendly Wal-Mart apologist and Hamilton Project [3] economist Jason Furman as his economic policy director - something that stood in curious relation to his criticism ("I won't shop there") of Wal-Mart's low-wage anti-union practices when speaking to labor audiences.

* increasing his declared support of "free trade," contradicting his campaign-trail criticism of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

* "tweaking" his claim that he would meet with Iran 's president (he added new and more restrictive conditions).

* embracing (in a speech to the powerful pro-Israel lobby American Israel Public Affairs Committee - AIPAC) Bush-McCain rhetoric on the supposed Iranian nuclear threat and promising to do "anything" to protect the nuclear occupation and apartheid state of Israel from Iran (a nation previously attacked by Israel ).

* calling (in his AIPAC speech) for an "undivided" Israel-run Jerusalem despite the fact that no government on the planet (and not even the Bush administration) supports Israeli's right to annex that UN-designated international city.

* making bolder Iraq "withdrawal" statements indicating that an Obama administration would not leave Iraq.

* vocally supporting a major part of the Republican agenda: the granting of public money to private religious organizations to provide social services.

* endorsing the conservative white male Blue Dog Democratic Congressman John Barrow (D-GA) over the progressive black female challenger Regina Thomas in a July 15 primary [4].

* flip-flopping on energy policy by calling for increased domestic and offshore oil drilling after it became clear that McCain was getting traction with voters by calling for such environmentally insensitive drilling.

Article here:
If Obama Loses

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» Don't be such a drama queen Posted by: brunowe
Her speech on YouTube
Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 27, 2008 11:09 AM   
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Hey, Alternet editors...
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Aug 27, 2008 11:20 AM   
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While scrolling up and down the comments, I saw that I'd rated a few comments...seemingly before I ever read them or even clicked on this story. WTF?

jdfu!

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» RE: Hey, Alternet editors... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Boilerplate
Posted by: jimidee on Aug 27, 2008 12:04 PM   
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Her speech was boilerplate language. Her voice was expressive when she was talking about herself and flat when she was talking about Obama. Consider that her other 'speeches' are now dotting the airwaves in the form of negative ad attacks against Obama. She should have said that she was WRONG, and that Obama does have the experience to be President. But even that would not undo the damage that her own words have called. I think it would be nice if she burned in hell over her words and deeds during the primary.

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What is wrong with these commenters????
Posted by: sallythewally on Aug 27, 2008 12:09 PM   
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They are in an alternate, delusional universe. No brains, no facts, no analytical ability, no human values, no relationship to reality!

Jeez, nearly all of them should be thrown off the site. I thought Alternet had decent readers - but these folks have the most severe Clinton Derangement Syndrome I've ever encountered.

People this unable to recognize and analyze the facts are seriously a danger to our country. They are mentally deficient and mentally ... well... ill!

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Don't Praise Her Too Much
Posted by: Sil on Aug 27, 2008 12:16 PM   
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The praise for Hillary yesterday is way over the top. I'm willing to give her props for a very good speech, but what she did up until that point is the bigger problem. Her over-the-top mockery of Obama's campaign and the notion of hope, the 3 a.m. ads, her continuing a negative, divisive campaign when it was clear to anyone with a brain that the campaign was over by the numbers, her insistence that the "white, working-class" people who voted for her wouldn't vote for Obama when trying to salvage a victory, and her strident claims that only she would be supported by Reagan Democrats (read: Racist Democrats).

Trying to make up for all that with one speech is like a high school student who tries to make up for a semester of bad behaviour by cramming all night the night before the exam.

For all she said in her speech, she's also nothing special as a politician. Much of those "35 years in the trenches" was spent as a corporate lawyer for Wal-Mart, or defending Coca-Cola against its employees, or promoting NAFTA, or enthusiastically voting for war in Iraq and to this day refusing to accept accountability for it, or voting for the Patriot Act, or one of a thousand things.

She was certainly not a voice of opposition during her husband's years as President, when the Democratic Party was destroyed as a party that Stood For Something, and was instead transformed forever into the party recast forever as the party of retreat and accomodation, adopting conservatism with a less aggressive posture. Republican rule is fine according to Clinton, as long as it has a different face.

It was under Clinton that the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed, a big reason we're in the financial mess we are in today. An economic bubble is not an economic boom, and the downturn of 2001 was nothing Bush did, but a market correction for the retarded dot-com era of greed and "irrational exuberance" that Clinton oversaw. Trade agreements like NAFTA, the WTO, permanent Most Favored Nation trade status for China - don't blame Bush for these. They occurred under Bill Clinton, and his wife was cheering him on the whole time. She has done nothing since to counter that legacy.

The sad thing is that Hillary Clinton was smart enough to know all this - and she didn't care. Not as long as she had a chance to win the thing.

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Fixed Link
Posted by: Fog on Aug 27, 2008 12:22 PM   
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http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com/

To fix broken links, sometimes it's as simple as clicking on the link and examining the URL that comes up.

In this case, the poster typo was a comma instead of an M in .com

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Listen up
Posted by: mpreb658@earthlink.net on Aug 27, 2008 12:51 PM   
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Lighten up. Let go the past. Go with the future that awaits if you will only quit your moaning. It was a good speech and a heartfelt one. If you are unable to recognize and accept that, I feel sorry for you.

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That was a great speech
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 27, 2008 4:38 PM   
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My wife was watching Day 2 of the convention and I was zoned out in the other room. That speech built and built, and, like with Michelle Obama, I suddenly found myself standing by the TV, watching it. By the end, she was channeling Dr. King, it felt like. It was the kind of speech that makes you want to get up and march.

So, yeah, it was just a speech. So yeah, she's shown her opportunist colors from time to time. So, yeah, it's the kind of speech designed to restore her standing in the order of things.

So what. This is politics. You want another four years of a GOP economy, go right ahead and cast your protest vote. You want a decent, if not great Democrat in office, you stand up for Barak Obama. You want a powerful woman standing on the wall in the Senate against the dittoheads and good-ol-boys, a hammer to Obama's salve, to be used whenever there's a nut to be cracked, you get behind the only party that stands up for what is right at least some of the time.

It was a great speech. And I hope it and more like it get the masses' blood surging.

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Hillary's Speech was Great
Posted by: ms_happy on Aug 27, 2008 5:25 PM   
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If I hear that "both parties are just the same" one more time I think I will barf. Go look at the League of Women's Voters' Congressional report card (which they do every year) and see how Dems vote as opposed to the GOP. The Dems consistently vote pro-environment, pro-women, pro-social programs, etc. The Repubs always vote for their own pocketbooks and they have so much money they can brainwash the masses with their bullshit (i.e. Faux News). They know that they can control The People by keeping them uneducated and fearful. I met Hillary Clinton, I looked into her eyes and I saw MYSELF. It's time for all of you to remember that we had better all get it together and oust those criminals from our government pronto. Barack and Hillary can both count on my support. Forget about Nader. Einstein said that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. So Nader running again and anybody voting for him again fall into that insane category. We need to concentrate on getting the GOP OUTTA THERE in a realistic way. They have gutted our Treasury, our Constitution and our relations with the world. It's time to take our country back. Please stop "swift-boating" Hillary; most of the crap you hear about her comes from Faux News anyway and we all know how "fair and balanced" they are. Not.

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Yay Hillary!
Posted by: winchelenator on Aug 27, 2008 5:29 PM   
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I love you, your awesome.

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Abubrad
Posted by: Abubrad on Aug 27, 2008 7:24 PM   
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I'm not sure if this is a trait of the rich and famous or the powerful or politicians or democrats but my son is working for a valet parking company at the DNC. Last night he parked 40 cars at the convention for significant attenders and made a little more than $40 in tips. What a sad commentary whichever group above this cheapness is a trait of.

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Electrifying??? I fell asleep
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 28, 2008 3:40 PM   
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I'm sorry she puts me to sleep. I found no sincerity in her words for Mr. Obama. I felt no life in her vocalizations. Sure she brought up some good points but the delivery was as strong as tall wheat in a high wind. Even her calling for a voice vote for Obama was lacking power. I respect Ms Clinton,even though I believe she should have dumped 'Capt. Blow Me"
but 'eletrifying'....PLEASE!!!!!!! I've heard more powerful speeches around the frog pond.

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Too Bad
Posted by: Cowardly_lion on Aug 30, 2008 10:18 PM   
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I agree, Both Hillary AND Obama gave GREAT speeches at the convention. But Too bad they were for a terrible campaign. Our country is so focused on beating the republicans this year, that the democrats have essentially lost their way in doing so and we don't even seem to notice. If anyone remembers a debate between hillary and barack when they were asked if they would attack Iran, they both gave an affirmative answer that they would. I don't understand how the democrats can go decades campaigning, protesting, and fighting for peace and then give it up in a trade over what country we should be blowing up. Even if we don't go to war with Iran, Obama has promised that he will send more troops to Afghanistan, yet we over look this. Our effort has been put towards peace, perhaps more than ever, over the past 5 years and now we're going to fight for a hopeful america that fights foreign wars? It doesn't make sense.

In fact, the entire platform Obomba is running on sounds socially-elitist. His Universal health care plan doesn't cover everyone, only citizens who qualify. His plans for becoming less dependent on foreign oil differ in only one spot with John McCain and his running mate Abel, and that's where we drill. Obomba is certainly losing the election, one message at a time. He doesn't ever speak of reversing the power grabs put into place by Bush and company, but only taking advantage of what they have done. If the Democrats lose in November, which I'm betting they will, it's not because of Hillary's fight to the bitter end or Obomba's selection of running mate. It's not for lack of passion or because their speeches weren't good enough. It will be because their platform has become TOO socialist, TOO elitist, TOO slanted, and it has lost the simple message of freedom and it's the republicans who have bullied them into this corner. The leadership that the left part of this country looks to, is leading them down the path the cowboy right has lead them down. Sorry Dems, you've already lost. You've thrown down the gauntlet at the people who control the game and made them very mad. You don't play it your own way, and now you're going to get schooled.

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