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Election 2008

Top 10 Idiocies of the General Election ... So Far

By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast. Posted August 12, 2008.


We've had some really dumb moments in Obama vs. McCain so far -- here are the worst.
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1. The Surge: Working Overtime

"The surge is working." It's an incessant mantra, forever on the lips of politicians and "journalists" these days. It's as if they can simply will it into truth. Yes, there has been a reduction in violence in Iraq, if the statistics are to be believed. But it's a mistake to think that's primarily due to an increase in troop strength. What is working in Iraq is the Awakening, a movement of Sunni tribes against al Qaeda in Iraq (which, while a franchisee of the al Qaeda trademark, is really an entirely separate group). Essentially what has happened is that the Sunni Arabs have grown weary of al Qaeda's tendency to wantonly murder their own people, and to start civil wars and stuff like that. So they've started taking money from the Pentagon instead of bin Laden, and things have quieted down somewhat. This change was bound to occur, and preceded the surge. In fact, if Bush had eschewed the surge, and instead sent the equivalent amount of money for bribes and salaries, it would have been much more effective.

What seems long forgotten is the original rationale for the surge, which was not simply to quell violence but to establish Iraq's ability to govern itself, setting the stage for American withdrawal. That would constitute true "success," although leaving has already been designated "surrender" by both Bush and McCain. But the real reason for the surge has always been to indefinitely prolong the conversation about withdrawal that was made inevitable by the 2006 elections. And in that sense, the surge has been an unparalleled success.

2. Shilling and Drilling

It's amazing what the PR industry can do to divert an issue. While the truth that carbon emissions are going to alter our planet in unpleasant ways in the near future is more and more well established, somehow the topic has been changed from reducing the use of fossil fuels to "independence from foreign oil." So now, after a few-week push, Americans are ready to start drilling offshore and in Alaska. You've gotta hand it to the oil industry leaders: Only they could take multiple crises for which they are responsible and turn them into a win for their agenda. Never mind that it will take years to have what will ultimately be a negligible effect on the price of oil. Gas is expensive, and people are easy to fool, especially if you play to their moronic fears of all things foreign. Meanwhile, it turns out that American oil burns just as dirty as it does anywhere else, and no meaningful emissions regulation is on the horizon. Get yourself some flood insurance.

3. Gramm: Crackers?

Comments by John McCain's recently fired principal economic adviser, Phil Gramm, about America being a "nation of whiners" in a "mental recession" are worthy of forced drowning. This golden asshole, drafter of the Enron loophole, vice president at the disgraced and near-defunct Swiss bank UBS, and emitter of similarly foul, wealth-arrogant quotations about not feeling sorry for destitute 80-year-olds ("Most people don't have the luxury of living to be 80 years old, so it's hard for me to feel sorry for them"), thinks the economic downturn is all in your head and has nothing to do with the collapse of the mortgage and credit industries or the unsound practices that were encouraged by an anarchist regulatory philosophy of which Gramm himself is a huge proponent. McCain and Gramm have been tight for years, and although he had no choice but to dump Gramm for the duration of the campaign, fellow money-saturated dickhead Steve Forbes assures us Gramm will be back, to help combat the whining poor and their paranoid delusions about hunger and homelessness.

4. We're Winning What Now?

McCain and Bush continually iterate their will to "win" in Iraq. But what is winning in this context? After all, we are not looking to colonize Iraq, at least not officially. In other words, there is no winning or losing in Iraq -- only staying or leaving. Neither constitutes victory, but one is a hell of a lot cheaper.

5. Penniless Elitists

A common complaint among Democrats is that it makes no sense to label Obama (or whatever politician is the target du jour) an "elitist," since so many Republicans, including McCain and Bush, are children of wealth and power and have considerably more money than Obama, while both Obama and his wife come from humble origins and attained their status through their own hard work. On the surface, this seems to make sense, but it's a misapprehension of what the elitist label has truly come to signify: education and intellect. McCain and Bush may be of the upper crust, but it's clear to all who observe them that they're not very bright. Obama, on the other hand, clearly was paying attention at Harvard. That's why the label sticks to him. Excessive intelligence is a liability in American political campaigns; there can be no doubt of that, and when people speak of Obama as "not one of us," that is, at least in part, what they're talking about. It's anti-intellectualism that brought us eight years of Bush, as well as eight years of Reagan. Americans love a simple-talkin' good ol' boy, even if he does lower their wages and spend their retirement. Luckily for Obama, McCain is such a stiff that this factor will be somewhat mitigated.


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Rainbows and Lolipops
Posted by: bryangalt on Aug 12, 2008 2:05 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As this article and many others point out, it is painfully clear that America has reduced itself to a dangerously low IQ, one that is so low that Forest Gump would be considered a step ahead of this vast collection of the anti-think crowd.

I have spoken with several people in the past few months that show symptoms of the B-S Syndrome (not the B(ull)-S(hit) syndrome, although it does have its charms). This is the more pervasive and well hidden virus: the Britney Spears-we should trust every decision our President makes syndrome.

I have always considered myself to be an optimist but these past few weeks have come to challenge my way of thinking to the very core.

As the news media reports polls that indicate McCain is gaining in almost every key issue shows that this vast pool of stupidity, that up to now has been recharging its brain cells on "green acre" reruns, is now being stoked like a campfire, with the party of the Anti-Christ whispering into their ears that their is no reason to worry, they will be rescued from their ingorance soon enough-after all, doesn't Jesus love them?

The architects of our nation would be so disappointed in how quickly and quietly we have been selling our souls to corporations and to political organizations that act like grifters, referring correctly to the public for what it has becoming, worthlessly ignorant from here on out.

We've all been spoonfed the seeds of our nations destruction for decades. We've been telling ourselves every sweet thing that makes us wet at night, while the right has systematically robbed us, taking all our jewels, money, even our favorite pet too so that they can finance their agenda of destruction and mayhem around the globe.

Our current grifters are the top of their game, since not only can they rob the Treasury, create an illegally outfitted private Army inside the US borders without anyone complaining about it, their propoganda/marketing teams at CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC and FOX continue to sell the right wing agenda as if Jesus delivered it to them personally (and Charlie Gibson is one of the worst on this--now that guy is an elitist, just listen to the questions he asks on the Nightly News. He has become the "Tokyo Rose" of this era in American history.

So, as long as 50.01% of Americans continue to believe that the B-S Syndrome will lead them to salvation, where rainbows fill the sky and lolipops fall like manna from the Heavens. As one citizen said on film for a global warming documentary: "It doesn't matter if their's global warming-Jesus is coming for us so it won't matter(what happens to our planet)."

A special shout out goes to the Christian boss: Thanks Jesus for encouraging ignorance, intolerance and an apparent suicidal wave of the best and brightest from the Ozarks. Your silence also has made it possible for your bomb-strapped followers of the disappointment people are feeling as these changes occur while you simply hang out in your magic place (Disney World?) oblivious to the suffering your followers are willing to inflict on every living thing on this planet).

My advice to the minority, elitist thinkers out there: If you don't like fact that your person security is about to be breached in the name of national security, then you should kide state-run religious/corporate setup that is coming, we better start getting better at turning the agenda around. It's not going to be easy to deprogram the zombies brain-washed with such enthusiasm.

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» RE: ainbows and Lolipops Posted by: Carol Burns
» RE: What comes 'round goes 'round Posted by: woodford54
» RE: ainbows and Lolipops Posted by: ChicagoPaul
» RE: ainbows and Lolipops Posted by: no1kstate
» Typical example here Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: Typical example here Posted by: no1kstate
» There are plenty of us Posted by: DaveMuckey
» RE: Rainbows and Lolipops Posted by: poz26
HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS:
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 12, 2008 3:12 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family"

George W. Bush, 2000

We still have three months to go! Three more months of unintentional high comedy! I can't wait.

As Paul Krugman stated in his New York Times column a few days ago, the GOP has gone from being the party of so-called "ideas" to being the "party of stupid". That's the beautiful thing about the Republicans. Sure, they might be destroying this once-great nation, but you've got to admit that they sure as heck do provide us with lots and lots of entertainment. Seriously! These knuckleheads are the gift that just keep giving! Don'cha just love it?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
BETH QUINN APPRECIATION DAY

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» RE: HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS: Posted by: bomec
» RE: HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS: Posted by: isafakir
» RE: HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS: Posted by: ellie
» RE: HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS: Posted by: gathaiga
» 3 months? Posted by: leighsure
The half-assed hype includes email
Posted by: paulaH on Aug 12, 2008 4:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My sister (don't get me wrong, I love her. I just want to strangle her sometimes) keeps sending me anti-Obama stuff. I know she doesn't like the way things are going, either, but she goes to church regularly, so of course she will vote Republican like her pastor says. So she keeps sending me this crap.

Anyway, so often the stuff she sends is just sensationalized emails going around the internet that, of course, no one bothers to check. A recent one had the subject line of: OBAMA TAKES FLAGS OFF HIS PLANE!!! HOW UNAMERICAN IS HE!!!!

It started with the line: This is real! It's on SNOPES! Check it out!

So, I did. Apparently, my sister and anyone else sending that tripe around did not. According to Snopes, the Obama campaign bought the plane from American Airlines. The flags that were removed and painted over were part of the AA TRADEMARKED LOGO! You know, that thing that if he'd left it there would have left him open for lawsuits for trademark infringement? The one flag that was on the plane not part of the logo was left on.

On the other hand, Snopes had a picture of McCain's plane, as well. Guess what? No flags on his plane! I sent an email back to everyone she sent it to that said: MCCAIN HAS NO FLAGS ON HIS PLANE WHATSOEVER!!! HOW UNAMERICAN IS THAT!!!!

My first line read: This is real! It's on Snopes! Check it out! Scroll down to the picture of McCain's plane and you'll NOT SEE A SINGLE FLAG!!!!!! While you're there, read the entire article as to WHY Obama removed the American Airlines trademarked flags...

Funny, she never answered me.

I'm not that thrilled with Obama. I'm less thrilled with McCain, though, so Obama it is unless a viable 3rd party candidate comes through.

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» Same Old Stuff Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Same Old Stuff Posted by: JSquercia
» Send her this Posted by: foreverhope
» facts! finally! Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» Nice work Posted by: LMNOP
I don't give a royal rats hinny who is the bad guy I want to throw peaches at both of 'em!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Aug 12, 2008 4:37 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
They are both war mongers, Obama in his way Mc Cain in his. Both these idiots should be set to grinding wheat! Put Carter and Edwards in the white house. At least only bunny rabbits and frightened sexists will be damaged by thier antics.

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Media's Omissions & Reinforcement of lies for Mac & Hillary
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 12, 2008 4:45 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The media has been part of the Problenm for Decades- Hired during Ronny's Run to ignore facts, bury national interest stories and perpetuate outright lies.This admin has required the MSM to step up their efforts.
Point You missed about the New Yorker- those who think the Obama's are accurately portrayed as shown Do Not Read the New Yorker- so they would assume it's cover was a to be a slam against the Obama's- the MSM did a great job of flashing the cover- but not as great job telling Racist/Christian extremeist the Joke was on Them!
You also glanced over the similarity of the coverage, excuses and coverups for Hillary.
Not only the mild coverage of the 'sniper fire' but also her numerous other reveleations which directly linked her to the Neo Cons and their tactics. Funny no one ever pointed out how Hillary was using the women movement to gather her forces, while constantly demanding things be readjusted to help her stake her claim at the nomination. Her willingness to pit 'Sexism' againt 'Racism' as a means to win.Acting as though a White Woman is a more worthy minority than a Black man.She used the womens movement by invoking the stereotypes we have been working centuries to dispel- we are weak, we need the rules changed, we need the bar lowered, we are manipulative, whiny and will claim any abilities regardless if they are actually someone elses.According to Hillary's logic- I'm a 18 yr Carpenter journeymen who should be allowed to build your Ceilings & walls, since i've been married to one for that long.
No media has dared cross the Clintons and made the obvious connection between them and the NeoCons who are running Mac.Seems to me that have been working out of the same handbook and for the same cause - Corporationism.
It's not Sexism if the candidate really sucks and is demanding to be treated differently from her male counterparts- that's intentionally USING 'Sexism' to to win regardless of the message it implies/reinforces.
Here's another current truth about Hillary's tactics that has been allowed to be buried. During all these conversations about "obama's flip flop' not one pundit has pointed out these have begun once Clinton 'gave Obama her Donors & Advisors'.Sudden increase in Corp donors- hillary's. sudden council from questionable (INDICTABLE) DC insiders?Right out of the clinton camp.
Seems to me this works for Hillary in two ways- she gets her friends (Clinton machine) jobs, has insiders in His campaign, able to dispel the 'Change' mesaage she so hated,thus knee cap Obama run from the inside.
What is Hillary's real goal- Not unity-Not That Dem in the WH- she has been helping Mac so she can run again in '12, unless they can create a situation where her delegates can nominate her instead- and she gets the Gold in Nov.The Neo Cons in blue (DLC et al) will do anything to assure No change come to the balance of power by an' Outsider'.HillaBill have been covert operatives since 1984- appropo- they are just responsible for conning the other side of the street(the Democrat voters)
If WE hope to end the strangle hold Corps have on our Country- we must be willing to open our eyes to those who claim allegience, but undermine our goals, in Our own party.
The Clintons ARE neo Cons (I voted for Bill Twice- but my rose colored glasses have been smacked off during this Primary season)
We need to elect what few patriots still exist in these Parties, to do the same to them as they have done to US


OBAMA/HAGEL '08

Note...Nadar works for the Neo Cons too- a Red herring. Can't beat 'em join 'em ah Ralphy boy!

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#11
Posted by: surfreality on Aug 12, 2008 4:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"The candidate does not speak for the campaign".

Last night on Oberman; it was reported that McCain's cell phone usage is being monitored and limited; it seems McCain's campaign priorities shift depending on who it was he spoke to last. This is both sad and hilarious...

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» RE: #11 Posted by: tottman
» Stop listening to Olbermann too Posted by: rancespergl
Ridiculous-2 more for the list...
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 12, 2008 4:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
More ridiculous moments:

1. Bush in Beijing lecturing the Chinese about human rights abuses;

2. The John Edwards debacle, where the right, the left, and damn near everyone else in between got into a time and energy-wasting debate over Mr. Edwards' private life. Only in America do we make such a big issue of our politicians having to be saintly figures. We are in love with mythology.

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» RE: idiculous-2 more for the list... Posted by: beautifulady2003
TIME TO DUMP OBAMA OR LOSE
Posted by: rozz62 on Aug 12, 2008 4:50 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html


Could Senator Clinton win the Democratic presidential nomination at the
last minute by taking advantage of buyer's remorse among Democratic
super-delegates who are dismayed by the performance of Senator Obama's
campaign so far?

Here's the scenario: Senator Obama has raised tens of millions more
dollars than Senator McCain, which Democrats think should translate into
an advantage in the polls. The economy is doing poorly, which Democrats
think should translate into an advantage in the polls given that the
Republicans control the White House and the incumbent party is often
blamed for a bad economy.

The Republican nominee-in-waiting, Senator McCain, is old and is
unpopular with his party's base because he has broken with conservatives
on taxes, global warming, torture, and campaign speech limitations. The
Democrats think that should translate into an advantage for them at the
polls, too, even though their presumptive nominee is several kiloparsecs
to the left of Mr. McCain.

The Republican incumbent in the White House, President Bush, is
personally unpopular, blamed for the Iraq War (as Robert L. Bartley
liked to say: "They'll forgive you for being wrong. What they won't
forgive you for is being right"). Three of the top 15 books on the New
York Times bestseller list are Bush-bashing tomes; one advocates that he
be prosecuted for murder. The Democrats think that this, too, should
translate into an advantage for them at the polls.

Despite all these factors, Mr. McCain is running roughly even in the
polls with the presumptive Democratic nominee, Mr. Obama, a time when he
is supposed to be way ahead. In early August of 1988, Governor Dukakis
was ahead of Vice President Bush by a wide margin. In early August of
2004, Senator Kerry was ahead of President Bush. If Mr. Obama doesn't
have a big lead now, it could get pretty ugly for the Democrats as
November approaches, the theory goes.

It will only get worse when Messrs. McCain and Obama face off in
presidential debates. The public will discover that Mr. Obama,
notwithstanding his reputation as a silver-tongued orator, is not that
good a debater - which explains why he did his best to dodge debate
invitations from Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain. Feature Mr. Obama's
flubbering on the outbreak of war between Russia and Georgia.

Is all this enough to prompt Democratic super-delegates to re-think
their allegiance to Mr. Obama and hand the nomination to Senator
Clinton? If you count Michigan, Mrs. Clinton won the reported popular
vote in the Democratic primaries and caucuses, 17.8 million to 17.5
million, and won many of the hotly contested big battleground states
that the Democrats need to win in November - Pennsylvania, Ohio,
California, New York, New Jersey, Florida. She won Massachusetts even
after Senators Kennedy and Kerry endorsed Mr. Obama.

Take away the delegates Mr. Obama has by virtue of the endorsement of
Senator Edwards, who has newly admitted deceiving the electorate about
the adultery he committed while his wife lay stricken with cancer, and
the delegate gap is even narrower. Even Mr. Obama doesn't have enough
delegates to win the nomination without the super-delegates, so there
wouldn't be anything terribly exceptional about the super-delegates
putting her rather than him over the top.

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» RE: TIME TO DUMP OBAMA OR LOSE Posted by: MaeScott
» RE: TIME TO DUMP OBAMA OR LOSE Posted by: revjmike
» RE: TIME TO DUMP OBAMA OR LOSE Posted by: Carol Burns
He is not a hero
Posted by: pass the ammo on Aug 12, 2008 5:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why in the hell do you call McCain a war hero?
If you call giving the enemy propaganda ammination, then that might be true.
The news media put this false praise on him and it is said so much that it has become a truth.
Tell it like it is. Think!
Dewey Funkhouser

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» RE: He is not a hero Posted by: Lauren
» He's a war survivor. Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» RE: He is not a hero Posted by: PJAW
New Yorkers are not stupid
Posted by: isafakir on Aug 12, 2008 5:37 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The New Yorker cover was stupid. It was obvious. It was rude. It was an insult to New Yorkers. The idea that is was somehow too hip not to offend is insulting. Some things are too not hip to be hip about. The readers of the New Yorker deserve better, expect better and demand better. If I want to watch Butthead and A**hole on MTV, I'll go there.

The accusations and character assassinations of politics are not laughable and it it is not funny getting your face rubbed into it. It is just disgusting. It makes Giuliani look almost like a family man.

No, the New Yorker was not hip. It was just dumb. It was not funny. It was just dumb. If we as New Yorkers really have sunk so low that we are no better as a city than Caddy Shack meets Animal House Sex in the City, than New York deserves to be third or fourth behind Dubai and Shanghai and Putinstan.

I am ashamed that hip has become so valley.

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I want an elitist for President
Posted by: DrSuess on Aug 12, 2008 5:48 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I want someone who is smarter than me for President. I actually look at the intelligence of the person running and I give high marks for intelligence. I also give even higher marks for what I call social intelligence. Basically social intelligence is the ability to get along with people and know how they will react to you actions. For an example- bombing Iran. If we bomb Iran- what will they do? They could attack Israel and kill thousands or millions, or they could take the blow and not react. People who want to bomb Iran suspect that they will do nothing. People who hesitate thenk there will be massive retaliation. This is an example of why social intelligence is so valuable for a president. Obama has it, Hillary has it, and McCain lacks it.

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Sabrina
Posted by: sabrina on Aug 12, 2008 6:27 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Great Article! Every top ten point hit the nail on the head. I just wonder how a discussion of the article ended up in a discussion of the Hillary Obama primary fight. It's over! I voted for Hillary, but now back Obama. I originally supported Kucinich, then Edwards. It's over. Obama won. Let's defeat McCain/Bush, for whatever its worth.

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Lose Lose
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 12, 2008 6:28 AM   
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Seems to me that once again the Sheeple are in a Lose-Lose situation. Dammed if we do and dammed if we dont. No doubt Obama is the lesser of the two evils and no one needs another four years of Bush which is EXACTLY what you'll get with "McSame". So what are we to do? Well, I recently got a dual citizenship so I can leave the US if it hits the fan and that is startign to sound like a very good option!

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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» RE: Lose Lose Posted by: foreverhope
How about less spin?
Posted by: tottman on Aug 12, 2008 7:26 AM   
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1. The surge was part of a strategy which has clearly worked. Without the surge the US could not have shown the strength or ability to support various Sunni and Shia leaders and they would have never teamed up with the US to combat Al Qaeda. Funny this didn't even mention the efforts to combat Sadr which posed a greater threat to the stability of Iraq than even Al Qaeda.

2. The drilling argument is just one facet of McCain's plan to move towards energy independence. He has also aggressively pushed Nuclear power as well as clean technology to get us there. The point is, with overwhelming demand from China, India, and other developing nations, the US has to utilize all tools at their disposal to move us quickly to a point where we no longer rely on Venezuela, the Middle East, or Russia.

3. Gramm was right. If we look at the economic disaster as some like to paint it, and compare it to other economic recessions in our history, it is definitely being overplayed. When you look at inflation, unemployment, and what a dollar can buy a consumer, it looks like Utopia compared to the late 70s.

4. We are winning in Iraq. We continually turn over regions of Iraq to be led by the Iraqis. Shia and Sunni and Kurds are working together. It is fragile, but anyone who denies we are winning is blinded by an allegiance to something other than the US - most likely a political party.

5. I think the elitist comment has less to do with money than of a view of superiority and entitlement. Not worth arguing though.

6. Wes Clark is an ambition driven man that left his values on the floor when he took over as Supreme Allied Commander of Europe. For him to phrase it as such, it is a slam against a man who spent 5 years as a POW serving his nation. Now, the fact that he was Hillary's probable running mate and looking to get a position of power in the Obama administration should be reason enough to not come running to his defense.

7. Cindy McCain is a successful business woman, has travelled the world as an executive director for two non-profits, has helped fix thousands of children with cleft pallates (sp?), and she adopted a child from South India. I'm not saying Michelle Obama is a bad person, but to make it out as if she is some sort of savior first lady and Cindy McCain is just a rich priveleged woman is a joke.

8. Terrible joke. He should have never said it.

9. It was hilarious that people railed against the NYer for being a right wing publication when it is very clear that it was a parody and that they have been extremely pro-Obama and that they will obviously officially endorse Obama.

10. Obama's slips are covered up by the media. Like his assertion that the war in Iraq is preventing the US from sending translators to Afghanistan - even though the speak different languages. Or Obama thanking dead veterans in the crowd. Or Obama's telemprompter going out on him and having him stammer over his words for five minutes. Ok, McCain says some stupid things - but he also was right when it came to getting rid of Rumsfeld, slamming Bush's policy in Iraq, and getting him to pursue a strategy which worked. He also was right on Russia and Georgia long before Obama pushed out standard (and wrong) rhetoric.

I didn't take the time to check spelling. Please reserve comments for content - not spelling.

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» Depends on the direction of the spin, I guess. Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» RE: How about less spin? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: How about less spin? Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: How about less spin? Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: How about less spin? Posted by: Redhead5050
One Helluva Ride....
Posted by: ptoddchesser on Aug 12, 2008 7:28 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I realized a long long time ago that the majority of Americans are sheep. Ready to be lead right to slaughter. All the while smiling and feeling lucky that they were there.
The most disturbing thing I see in the past 8 years and God forbid the next four is that so many middle class Americans are being fooled into supporting policies that are inherently designed to destroy the same middle class. It is disgustingly apparent that Republican "Elites" do not want or need to have an educated,vibrant,thinking middle class in this country. As long as there is one,they will be hampered in their quest to make the divide between the "haves" and the "have nots" so wide as to be unreachable.
My father is one of these sheep. Though he doesn't fit into what Republicans deem the right tax bracket, he has swallowed their rhetoric hook,line, and sinker. When I ask him how he could do this to himself he states that I am the one who must be crazy and that I don't know what is going on politically in this country.
It doesn't take too much effort to research what any politician says for it's truthfulness. If people were to just think about the things that McCain has been saying in his ads, they would realize with little effort that he is lying through his decrepid teeth. This is a man that NEVER was in touch with the "everyman". How could he be? Born into a well-to-do family. Papa wrote his ticket for him in the Navy. When his wife became less than desirable, he traded her in for a deluxe model outfitted with a trust fund to finance his campaigns. This man has never been anything but "ELITE".
The next time a Republican asks if you want a president that is smarter than you, please answer with a resounding,"Hell yes!". I personally want a president who actually paid attention in class and learned something not someone that has a real problem with walking and chewing gum and would have never been elected without the likes of Karl Rove.

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season
Posted by: season on Aug 12, 2008 7:29 AM   
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Hey, we're forgetting that John McCain's rise to "war hero" status was based not so much on having been "shot down", but primarily on his enduring torture while being held captive for years against his will. The GOOD NEWS, Americans, IS, he really was never "tortured"!

How do we know he wasn't tortured? The President told us so! EVERYTHING that McCain endured, the US is now doing to our captives (enemy combatants) held at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, in off shore ships?, God only knows where else. But, our President has assurred us that "We do NOT torture"!! So, there you have it! By the President's definition, McCain was not tortured either. Oops, there goes the "war hero" status. Wait! Not having been tortured, McCain's "confession" to his captors was therefore, of his own volition, not the result of coercion..oopsy again! Could the President please elucidate us with his definition of a traitor? Thank God we'll soon know the truth!

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#11
Posted by: Gonnuts on Aug 12, 2008 7:44 AM   
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#11 - Our entire election process.

Farce, Dog & Pony Show, pick your adjective, the fact that our election process is an illusion perpetrated by corporations, for corporations and we the people are dupes in this carnival of clowns is anything but laughable.

When it takes half-a-billion dollars to run for president you don't get representation, you get an elaborate rouse where we the people get shoved aside, as we mindlessly vote on machines that steal our votes for people that murder us in broad daylight. And most of us aren't even aware enough to care.

Enjoy yourself - it's later than you think.

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A frightening picture of McCain
Posted by: Christie on Aug 12, 2008 8:30 AM   
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DO NOT MISS IT. PASS IT ON,

McCain - War You Can Believe in!
“bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”

Some opinions of McCain from his own party and military comrades:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Republicans
_and_miltary_men_on_John_McCain

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McCain's POW gaffes
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 12, 2008 8:51 AM   
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I couldn't help noticing the following sentence in Uthman's article:

"One the other hand, a news source risks alienating its audience -- by, say, questioning McCain's POW narrative a la the Packers/Steelers gaffe, they'll shy away. "


First, McCain's assertion about using NFL players as names for his squadron mates may be more onerous than a simple mistake. Here's what I said in my NONPROFIT Web site, UnfitMcCain.com:

Another example of McCain exploiting his POW record happened on July 9, 2008,
when he was interviewed by KDKA Political Editor Jon Delano.

McCain told Delano that he had recited the Pittsburgh Steelers defensive line-up to
his North Vietnamese captors as alias for the names of his Navy squadron mates.

McCain added that he naturally recalls the football team whenever he thinks of
Pittsburgh. “The Steelers really made a huge impression on me -- particularly
in their early years."

"When I was first interrogated," continued McCain, "and really had to give some
information because of the physical pressures that were on me, I named the
starting lineup of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron-mates!"

Sounds good, but that wasn’t what McCain said in his 1999 autobiography, Faith
of My Fathers.


On page 194 of the hardcopy edition, he wrote, “Eventually, I gave them
[North Vietnamese interrogators] my ship’s name and squadron, and confirmed
that my target had been the power plant. Pressed for more information, I gave
the names of the Green Bay Packer’s offense line, and said they were members
of my squadron.”

McCain supporters will probably claim he “misremembered” the NFL football team
because his POW experience happened nearly 40 years ago. But how do they explain
what he wrote in an article for U.S. News & World Report, published on May 14, 1973.

In the detailed, 12,000-word piece, McCain, whose memory had to be super sharp
back then, never mentioned using the names of NFL players during his NVA
interrogations, even though the deception would have mitigated the seriousness
of his confessions.

There can only be one explanation for McCain's 1973 omission: he NEVER told the
names of NFL players to the North Vietnamese. That was a fantasy he created for
his 1999 autobiography, to make him appear heroic while campaigning for the White
House in 2000. It also explains why he later "misremembered" the Steelers. Far
from being a principled patriot, McCain is a pandering politician who will say anything
to win an election.


Because of fact-based assertions like that on my UnfitMcCain.com Web site, I have been branded a "smear artist" and "GOP troll" by several regular AlterNet readers -- most notably "Progressive life (P-L)," who seems bent on destroying my reputation as a serious investigative journalist.

I don't know what motivates P-L, nor do I care. He or she can be rest assured that I'm logging these personal attacks against me and will notify AlterNet at the appropriate time. As I have reminded Progressive-life and his ilk many times, I am not the enemy. John McCain is.

Finally, for the first 10 days in August, my NONPROFIT Web site had 458,805 hits. I'm shooting for a million. To help me reach my goal, please visit UnfitMcCain if you haven't already done so, then ask yourself, Is Hugh Scott a "fraud, liar and fifth grade journalist", which P-L and his pot-stirring pals allege?

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

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Throw "tottman" off AlterNet!
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 12, 2008 9:26 AM   
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He is NOT a GOP troll. "Tottman" is Karl Rove who has decided to infect AlterNet with Republican hyperbole (baseless bullshit).

Consider the McCain talking-points he regurgitated in his comment:

The surge was part of a strategy which has clearly worked.

The drilling argument is just one facet of McCain's plan to move towards energy independence.

Gramm was right.

We are winning.

I think the elitist comment has less to do with money than of a view of superiority and entitlement.

Wes Clark is an ambition driven man that left his values on the floor when he took over as Supreme Allied Commander of Europe.

Cindy McCain is a successful business woman.


Those assertions are so outrageous, they aren't worth responding to. For those who disagree, consider AlterNet's policy:

"We also ask our readers to refrain from responding to posts by people who only want to derail the conversation with conservative talking points. Please report these comments; do not respond."


So let's all get together, report Tottman to AlterNet and get his sorry rightwing Republican ass banned!

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» Why? Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» AlterNet made you do it? Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» Oh no! Please don't do it Hugh! Posted by: Illiteratilumen
HEY, I'M WHITE AND I LIKE MICHELE OBAMA
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 12, 2008 9:29 AM   
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She spoke to military wives in Norfolk, VA the other day to familiarize herself with them and the long list of things that need our attention. They were not whining. It's clear that she means to DO SOMETHING. She out classed other first ladies most notably both Bush Ladies. Babbling about "the children" is bull----. She's about real life and will probably pursue her own agenda which will serve the country very well. Thanks, ANNA

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» It baffles me... Posted by: dbarber
» RE: It baffles me... Posted by: willymack
HEY, I'M WHITE AND I LIKE MICHELE OBAMA
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 12, 2008 9:29 AM   
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She spoke to military wives in Norfolk, VA the other day to familiarize herself with them and the long list of things that need our attention. They were not whining. It's clear that she means to DO SOMETHING. She out classed other first ladies most notably both Bush Ladies. Babbling about "the children" is bull----. She's about real life and will probably pursue her own agenda which will serve the country very well. Thanks, ANNA

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Toto we're not in Kansas.......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 12, 2008 2:44 PM   
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Somehow if this weren't real life I can Dorothy saying "this isn't Kansas". But never mind that, why haven't enough Americans "awakened" to not just the lies, but the avarice, the "unitary executive" privilege b.s., stagflation, torture, the outsourcing of government, etc., etc., etc.

At what point people do you stop being led around like sheep, while they are stealing your wool! And why has the press been sooooo complicit in this deal!

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Investments and Payoffs in Iraq
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 12, 2008 2:45 PM   
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This may be the administration's line. We "invested" in Iraq and now we're starting to see "payoffs".

I know what we invested. We invested hundreds of tons of Depleted Uranium smoke into people's lungs. We invested about 300,000 sick vets so far, lots of lifetime concussion damage, lifetime shell shock, lifetime Gulf War Syndrome and lifetime missing limbs. We invested millions of Iraqi deaths, hey, cholera happens when you bomb the water plant. We invested the good name of America, and it looks like we invested something like 4 trillion dollars that we don't have.

I don't see a 4 trillion dollar payoff. Our Iraqi sock puppet government wants the U.S. out within 140 days. It's true that Baghdad is down to 4 military attacks a day. Is that the definition of a 4 trillion dollar payoff now? Can you put "4 attacks a day" in any bank?

It's hard to get more silly than this.

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george K
Posted by: gtk on Aug 12, 2008 3:31 PM   
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Bingo on lots of these points, but you are dead wrong about the New Yorker Cartoon, and I resent being cast by you as a unsubtle dolt who doesn't get satire (I have a PhD in lit and have taught courses in and on satire.)

This NYorker piece was crude and stupid: I wriote to insist that they follow the same principle which they use in their defense and show a bunch of Israelis, sitting with American Jews (they'll all have huge noses), counting their money and reading a huge tome entitled "How to take over the World." On the wall will be pictures of Hitler. Think New Yorker will ever do such a cover to mock the ugly stereotypes of Jews? Yeah, that'll happen,

So knock off this condescending "context is everything" and admit that this feeble attempt at satire from these sophisticated eastern types was complete and utter bullshit and that those who say so are hardly dimwitted dolts too unhip to understand how satire works.

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Mr. Crash and Burn
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Aug 12, 2008 5:59 PM   
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McCain crashed five jet fighters during his career as a Navy pilot. Four in training and the last one in North Vietnam when he was in a single-seater Skyhawk. There was no anti-aircraft missile just a crash-prone pilot.

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The shell game that is electoral politics
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 12, 2008 7:01 PM   
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Folks, we're being played like a $2 fiddle and most of us lie it. That is most Republicans,their wealthy supporters and their controlled media. Most of us see well the window dressing of 'American Firsts' and shadowy smear ads. Truth is nothing will change!!! The war will still go on...for years.
Jobs will keep being sent outside the country. We won't have healthcare ans minimum wage will never be enough to pay rent,buy food and put gas in your car. Both Party's are owned by the same people and it's what they want,not us, that gets done.
The top ten idiocies?? Well eight of them are already out of the race. I have great hope for a better,Freer more Libertarious America who's security is not tied to it's war machine.....
but it's not with the dump-o-craps or the rec-da-publicans or the Greens. It's with the People. We're fed up,over worked and hungry and'that's a mix I would'nt push much harder.
History's proven when the People Lead the leaders must follow or be swallowed by the masses.

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A MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND US CITIZENS HAVE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 12, 2008 9:27 PM   
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left for other parts since 2000. The estimates are that another million and a half are preparing. The smart Germans got up and left during the thirties. I had one professor that had been smuggled out of the Ukraine in '27. He was the only surviving member of a family of 8. It is something we must be prepared for. We may have to leave. At some point the NEOCONS will start killing all persons left and center. They have already been doing it for twenty five years south of here. Peoples lives may in fact depend upon the outcome of the next election.

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Republicans do not have monopoly on stupidity.
Posted by: james_allen on Aug 13, 2008 2:43 AM   
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Recent news articles discuss interesting effects of news reports on opinions. For example, even pro-Kerry messages about Swift Boat lies left viewers with the brief "take-home" message of "doubts about Kerry's military record." Even the most absurd anti-Obama lies will prevent many from voting for him. ("He *might* be an anti-American Muslim.")

To a large extent, American politics is less about left vs right, business vs labor, etc. and is increasingly about truth vs lies, and thought vs prejudice. And clearly the Party of Rove, Starr, Cheney etc. is the party of lies and prejudice. For this reason, I expect a Republican (not necessarily McCain) to be President next term and would be betting real money that way if it weren't for the moral quandary.

But Republican voters do not have a monopoly on stupidity! Someone above wrote:
> I'm less thrilled with McCain, though,
> so Obama it is unless a viable 3rd party
> candidate comes through.
I don't know what you mean by "viable", but a 3rd-party candidate will not win the election in 2008. To imagine Obama as only slightly less bad as McCain seems a quaint view for someone well-enough informed as to read Alternet.

Gore lost in 2000 because of "intelligent" Democrats who voted for Nader. 2008 may have a similar result.

Go ahead, you "smart" progressives. Break my heart again.

James D. Allen

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CDLopez
Posted by: Let Her Buck on Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM   
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If this Administration wants to bomb Iran that would top off this whole mess.
The middle east would cut off all the oil to us and what little we would receive would cost twice as much.
We would be in a green state then, and so would the rest of the world.

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Nothing spells stupid like the American voter
Posted by: Jest2007 on Aug 16, 2008 9:47 PM   
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This article covers the top 10 idiocies of the general election but fails to mention the 11th major idiocy--the American voter. This is the voter that gave Bush 8 disastrous years in the White House and still believes McCain is on the "Straight Talk Express," which has, in reality, derailed. McCain emphatically says that he will not be four more years of Bush, but his words belie the following statement. In 2005, McCain stated on Meet the Press: "The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So, have we had some disagreements on some issues? Particularly domestic issues? Yes, but I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone's, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people. And I'm particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq, national security, national defense, support of men and women in the military, fiscal discipline, a number of other issues. So I strongly disagree with any assertion that I've been more at odds with the president of the United States than I have been in agreement with him." The public may have rejected Bush, yet many are supporting McCain under the misapprehension that he is a "maverick."

The biggest threat to democracy in this country is voter ignorance. Many voters do not base important electoral decisions on an understanding of the issues, and the backgrounds and positions of the candidates. In fact, they operate from a level of ignorance that is profound. The majority of people in this country believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks on 9/11. And, then, after the 9/11 Commission had established, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Saddam Hussein and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, fifty percent of population still believed Hussein was responsible for the attacks. Probably many of them wouldn't even know the location of Iraq. Ignorance in the realm of politics, government, and geography is pervasive in this country. Recently, a college student who was planning to become a teacher was asked where Beijing was located. She had no idea. When a college graduate does not know the name of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, this country has a serious problem and alarm bells should be ringing. Such a profound lack of knowledge is the most outstanding threat to our democracy. One of the major reasons for this ignorance is that the educational system in this country no longer emphasizes the teaching of civics, history, and geography. Every student who graduates from high school should have a working knowledge of the Constitution, the structure of the federal government, political issues, domestic and international issues, and geography; otherwise, the leadership in this country will continue to fail the populace. The last 7 1/2 years is a prime example of this failure, which was of monumental proportions. One additional point, the media's lack of honesty and leadership have created an additional roadblock to an informed public. Thus far, the media have given McCain a free ride. Are they afraid of reporting the truth or questioning dubious pronouncements?

Forget about the idiocy of wondering which of the candidates is more patriotic, who is saluting the flag or wearing a flag pin, the public ought to really be asking themselves: what are the actual positions of these candidates. It is disheartening that the voters have not learned from the last 7 1/2 years of obfuscation and deception, and, once again, are buying the spin. Fasten your seat belts, folks, it's going to be a nasty, bumpy ride. We could be headed for four more years of hell, and then some.

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Mr.
Posted by: bar5608 on Aug 17, 2008 8:59 AM   
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One of the 'Posters' on this site stated that in spite of all the Rhetoric, and speech making, none of us has any real idea of how either of these Candidates is going to react to the problems he/she faces once reaching the Whitehouse. McCain could turn out to be a perfectly progresive type, while Obama might go the other way. But I really doubt that will happen, and I'm putting my money on Obama. And the fact is nothing is going to change much until the American public gets damned good and mad, and gets out in the streets with signs, ball bats, and maybe a few grenades. These people have to be forced to do what needs to be done. We need another FDR, not Dagwood Bumstead.

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