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Krugman: GOP Is the Party for Fools
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And the debate on energy policy has helped me find the words for something I've been thinking about for a while. Republicans, once hailed as the "party of ideas," have become the party of stupid.
Now, I don't mean that G.O.P. politicians are, on average, any dumber than their Democratic counterparts. And I certainly don't mean to question the often frightening smarts of Republican political operatives.
What I mean, instead, is that know-nothingism -- the insistence that there are simple, brute-force, instant-gratification answers to every problem, and that there's something effeminate and weak about anyone who suggests otherwise -- has become the core of Republican policy and political strategy. The party's de facto slogan has become: "Real men don't think things through."
In the case of oil, this takes the form of pretending that more drilling would produce fast relief at the gas pump. In fact, earlier this week Republicans in Congress actually claimed credit for the recent fall in oil prices: "The market is responding to the fact that we are here talking," said Representative John Shadegg.
What about the experts at the Department of Energy who say that it would take years before offshore drilling would yield any oil at all, and that even then the effect on prices at the pump would be "insignificant"? Presumably they're just a bunch of wimps, probably Democrats. And the Democrats, as Representative Michele Bachmann assures us, "want Americans to move to the urban core, live in tenements, take light rail to their government jobs."
Is this political pitch too dumb to succeed? Don't count on it.
Remember how the Iraq war was sold. The stuff about aluminum tubes and mushroom clouds was just window dressing. The main political argument was, "They attacked us, and we're going to strike back" -- and anyone who tried to point out that Saddam and Osama weren't the same person was an effete snob who hated America, and probably looked French.
Let's also not forget that for years President Bush was the center of a cult of personality that lionized him as a real-world Forrest Gump, a simple man who prevails through his gut instincts and moral superiority. "Mr. Bush is the triumph of the seemingly average American man," declared Peggy Noonan, writing in The Wall Street Journal in 2004. "He's not an intellectual. Intellectuals start all the trouble in the world."
It wasn't until Hurricane Katrina -- when the heckuva job done by the man of whom Ms. Noonan said, "if there's a fire on the block, he'll run out and help" revealed the true costs of obliviousness -- that the cult began to fade.
What's more, the politics of stupidity didn't just appeal to the poorly informed. Bear in mind that members of the political and media elites were more pro-war than the public at large in the fall of 2002, even though the flimsiness of the case for invading Iraq should have been even more obvious to those paying close attention to the issue than it was to the average voter.
Why were the elite so hawkish? Well, I heard a number of people express privately the argument that some influential commentators made publicly -- that the war was a good idea, not because Iraq posed a real threat, but because beating up someone in the Middle East, never mind who, would show Muslims that we mean business. In other words, even alleged wise men bought into the idea of macho posturing as policy.
All this is in the past. But the state of the energy debate shows that Republicans, despite Mr. Bush's plunge into record unpopularity and their defeat in 2006, still think that know-nothing politics works. And they may be right.
Sad to say, the current drill-and-burn campaign is getting some political traction. According to one recent poll, 69 percent of Americans now favor expanded offshore drilling -- and 51 percent of them believe that removing restrictions on drilling would reduce gas prices within a year.
The headway Republicans are making on this issue won't prevent Democrats from expanding their majority in Congress, but it might limit their gains -- and could conceivably swing the presidential election, where the polls show a much closer race.
In any case, remember this the next time someone calls for an end to partisanship, for working together to solve the country's problems. It's not going to happen -- not as long as one of America's two great parties believes that when it comes to politics, stupidity is the best policy.
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Posted by: weathered on Aug 9, 2008 3:34 AM
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The NYTimes died on 9/11
it got crushed in its own rubble.
Arrest Silverstein/Bushcon and heal or stay stuck in the Lies.
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» Men behind curtain
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» RE: Men behind curtain
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» See MSM for exactly what they are;
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» Bob Herbert at the NYT is another reasonable voice.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 3:49 AM
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With love,
*Hugh E. Scott, 73, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
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» RE: Krugman's title is incomplete.
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» Thanks for the support, Moira61. With sex a fading memory, you made this old fart feel GOOD!
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» Slight Correction.
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» Definition of a fool: Someone who believes Unfit Mccain.
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» Lionheart appears to be....
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Posted by: Phred42 on Aug 9, 2008 6:08 AM
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millionaires and suckers.
-John Dolan
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» RE: There are two kinds of Republicans:
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» You, too, ranchero42. Spot on!
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» Well said, Phred42!
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Posted by: Sons on Aug 9, 2008 6:11 AM
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Without one shred of evidence they believe this.
What should we expect then when it comes to things like WMD, Al Quiada training in Iraq and the rest?
Teaching Americans to hold beliefs only when there is hard evidence would undoubtedly improve the nation.
Sons
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» RE: Stupid People, stupid policies
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» RE: 71% are incompetent at their job
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Posted by: Gonnuts on Aug 9, 2008 6:11 AM
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Fact is only dimmest of bulbs believe in left/right paradigm anymore. Our whole political system is corrupt, neither party represents 98% of the people and soon we'll pay a very dear price for falling prey to this folly that we may never recover from.
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» That corruption is not recent: Chomsky on the Media and the “Manufacture of Consent”
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» Krugman's pretty good.
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Posted by: jay diamond on Aug 9, 2008 6:31 AM
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Taken cumulatively, the political pornography of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mike Gallagher, Michael Reagan, Gordon Liddy, et al, represent a holocaust of pathological mendacity and dumbness.
The scandal though, resides in the truth that the various individuals behind the microphone are fungible; completely interchangable and easily replaced by other equally unscrupulous and ambitious vipers eager to speak falsehoods to the powerless on behalf of the true inspiration behind this crude and destructive torrent of hate...the corporate broadcasting networks and their criminally irresponsible managers, and the advertisers who nourish this beast knowing that anyone who takes this drivel seriously is an easy mark who will obediently purchase the junk they advertise on these toxic "show".
The best thing that could happen to our country is for the millions of citizens of normal and above intelligence to force themselves to listen to this disgraceful drivel on low-brow, rightwing radio so that they understand why the political culture of their country is now equivalent to a truck demolition derby.>>
Think I'm exaggerating ?
Well, just think back to the 2000 election. The vicious and stupid talk radio is what put Bush within 543,000 votes of Gore nationally, and tied with Gore in Florida; close enough for the Supreme Court to steal it for him !
And the wave of radio poison that amplified the swift boat smears and all the other GOP defamations targeting John Kerry, was again the margin of "victory" for Rove in 2004 !
What is most disappointing is the odd reluctance of most political commentators and columnists (sadly, including Professor Krugman) to confront this vexing, dangerous, and obscenely idiotic phenomenon.
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» It comes with a First Amendment
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» Brilliant You Are
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» You nailed it, Jay. MSM's indifference to the RW is why 99.999% of Americans don't know about PNAC.
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» PNAC is not a Partisan Problem, Nor is Interventionism In General
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» If Unfit McCain, America's NUMBER ONE NEOCON, is elected, PNAC will be a HUGE problem!
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» RE: The Times Rejected This Post on Krugman's Column....Why?
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Posted by: Officer009 on Aug 9, 2008 6:36 AM
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I have an interesting personal experience of the Republican base. A life-long progressive, in 2000 I took a local county job in a rock solid rural Republican county. The professionals in the office are college educated, but at least 50% are fundamentalist christians (the most evolution denying, 6000 year old earth, homophobic variety). I found only one person with whom I could have satisfying intellectual conversations. This person was a lifelong Republican, active in the local party, voted for Bush in 2000 and a believer that the Clintons had been involved in murdering a number of people around them. Yet, after several years of wide ranging conversations, it turns out that he is a supporter of Unions and employee rights, truly believes in the rights and liberties protected in the constitution, is completely against our militaristic foreign policy approach and the wars, concedes that capitalism is not sacrosanct and even supports nationalizing oil and other resources.
Still this fellow would never consider voting for Obama and in fact I don't think he would ever vote for any Democratic candidate for President. He is equally adamant he cannot vote for McCain. You tell me how a man like this spent most of his adult life drinking the kool-aid and enabling the Republicans.
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» When the "education" itself can be differentiated from indoctrination, that is
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 9, 2008 6:38 AM
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I see HillaBilly no different then I see McCain since she entered the Senate.
Hillary & Mac were Horses from the same Stable, a Win/Win for the Corps.
Why do you think she is not conceding- she was promised a Win or Place. If Mac wins- she can try again in 2012. If Obama wins she's screwed. So suddenly she releases her Big donors, which such short sighted writers like Tiabbi immediately report as 'Obama's Sell Out'. Well that works just great for her- doesn't it. Re affirming the 'Just a Speech' comment- pushing the 'lefties' over to vote for the long time Dem Red herring - Nadar.I trust the Clintons Now as much as I Trust CheneyCorp. Working both sides against the middle. If Obama rejected these donors and advisors- he could lose just because of cash flow. But more importantly, He would lose becasue they would release these Hounds against him- and in support of Mac (her buddy and co conspirator in election fraud).
As they say 'Don't hate the player, hate the game'. Hillary has never been a Democrat or even an old School Republican - she is a corporationist, with an eye on the Prize
fuck over both sides of the Corp machine...
Obama/Hagel '08
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» Wall St owns them all
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» RE: Need a Revival of 'Old School Repubs & DEMS!!
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 9, 2008 6:40 AM
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Even many whose views are developed enough to recognize such truths as the fundamental rottenness of the 2-party system & the complicity of Democrats in all of the Republicans' major crimes, are still unable to draw the logical consequences of these insights. (Those so naive that they still conceive of Democrats as being the "opponents" of Republicans are another case altogether.)
The central point is this: capitalist society permits the Democrats to be one of the 2 allowed parties for a very definite reason. It's not because the Democrats "serve the people." It's because in a subtle but effective way, they help the capitalists keep the populace under control by providing them with the illusion of possible change. TPTB don't want the people "served." They want them managed, or controlled.
It is the job, the central social function of the Democrats to always be dangling before the people's noses vague pseudo-hints of possible change, so as to keep them from bolting from bourgeois politics altogether. It is the Democrats' intention to never deliver meaningful change, but rather to keep dangling hints of it alluringly forever. This produces control -- a populace habituated to remain safely within the lines required by ruling class interests.
This is why the Democrats NEVER paint a picture of US history that's the slightest bit accurate -- they want a brainwashed population every bit as much as the Republicans do. This is why they NEVER are willing to set forth an honest socioeconomic analysis of why things are as they are -- they much prefer that people not understand such things.
As long as a large chunk of voters can be deceived by the seemingly "nicer guy" act of the Democrats, there is no hope whatever of coming to grips with the core problems of our society. The most dangerous trends -- a wasteful consumer society, environmental destruction, grotesque social inequality, and an uncontrollable propaganda/war machine -- cannot even be approached within the framework of bourgeois politics, because they all serve ruling class interests. This is what is really being protected, when people opt to support Democrats just because they seem less blatantly cruel on TV.
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» RE: Dems-Repubs are both parties of big business
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 9, 2008 6:45 AM
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The Democrats are not the "lesser evil;" they are an auxiliary subdivision of the same evil. To understand the political system, one must step back and regard its operation as an integrated whole. The system can't be properly understood if one's study of it begins with an uncritical acceptance of the 2-party system, and the conventional characterizations of the two parties. (Indeed, the fact that society encourages one to view it in this latter way, is perhaps a warning that this perspective should not be trusted.)
Any given piece of reactionary legislation is invariably supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats. Does this show that the Democrats are "less evil?" If one focuses on the noble efforts of the few outspoken dissenters, it's easy to feel that the Democrats are somewhat less evil. But in the larger picture, Democrats invariably submit to what Republicans more ardently promulgate, & the entire range of official opinion thereby shifts to the right. Thus the overall function of Democrats is not so much to fight, as to quasi-passively participate in this ever-rightward-moving process. Just as the Harlem Globetrotters need their Washington Generals to make their basketball games properly entertaining, Republicans need the Democrats for effective staging of the political show.
The Democrats are permitted to exist because their vague hint of eventual progressive change keeps large numbers of people from bolting the political system altogether. Emma Goldman once said, "If voting made a difference, it would be illegal." Similarly, if the Democrats potentially threatened any sort of serious change, they would be banned. The fact that they are fully accepted by the corporations and political establishment tells us at once that their ultimate function must be wholly in line with the interests of those ruling groups.
Doesn't the presence of the Dennis Kuciniches, Cynthia McKinneys, et al "prove" that the Democrats are progressive? No. The Kuciniches and McKinneys are indeed significantly different from the Hillary types -- but there are compelling reasons not to get too excited about them, either. First, they are used by the party as a "Left decoration," simply to keep potential left defectors in tow. Secondly, the party power brokers will NEVER in a million years let the Kucinich-McKinney faction have any real power.
In other words, the very modestly-sized progressive Dem faction is cynically used as a marketing tool by the national party. They are dangled before your eyes to make you think that the Dems are the "lesser evil" (since the Republicans offer no such Left decorations). The existence of a few decent Dems makes no real difference in the overall alignment of the party, and they will never be internally influential. They are a distraction.
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» RE: But are the Dems the lesser evil?
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» Critical Unacceptance
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» "Democracy" vs. Democracy
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Posted by: surfreality on Aug 9, 2008 6:47 AM
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VO: " Republican congressmen have taken to meeting in the Capital building with the lights out, they are literally in the dark ; how APPROPRIATE is that?
On every American issue , the Republicans truly ARE in the dark:
(As the VO continues the following words scroll down the screen)
Katrina
Healthcare
Mortgage crisis
Conservation
Global warming
Renewable energy
tax cuts for billionaires
Inflation
Job losses
The right to choose
Iraq
taking care of veterans
imperial presidency
Secret government
Subverting the Constitution...
Bring the light back to Washington DC.
This Nov. send the republicans home.
Vote Democratic.
Vote Obama"
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» Only the Elite Need Apply
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Posted by: ellie on Aug 9, 2008 6:50 AM
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if everyone in the country voted or no one voted at all, the final results would wind up the same... we do not matter anymore...
have you tried to get a politician to listen to you??? you get the nod, pat on the back, the pic of you and the politician with a cheezy grin and whamo, back to business as usual...
our opinions, sentiments and needs are secondary to political aspirations and corporate profits and we allow this to continue... we have little chance of changing the system with 'a damned piece of paper' the constitution or any other means...
we are expected to smile while we get screwed over and like it too...
this place, this country is shot... wake up to the reality and don't forget that happy smile while waving that credit card and spending wildly!!!
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» RE: has anyone else noticed...
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» I have a new name for working-class Americans: "APHIDS."
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Posted by: nap on Aug 9, 2008 6:57 AM
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I think the main reason the war got support - or too little opposition - was that many believed it was a sure win. That placed those who opposed it in a very bad position, either nationally or internationally. The WMD claims then had to provide a convincing narrative. The WMD threat had stockmarket value: you 'buy' the idea because you can sell it again, not because of its inherent value. The WMD's didn't have to pose a real threat but preferably they had to be real, which didn't seem too hard. A stock of mustard gas, which is a WWI era weapon, would confirm the narrative. Unfortunately the claims broke down, but if the narrative is strong enough you still have the fallback position: "we've been fooled and misled but who wouldn't have been". So there can be stupidity, but the baseline is not commonsense thinking, you have to judge stupidity referring to the baseline of political logic and political survival. It's not something to be taken lightly: if you ignore the logic of political survival you don't survive in politics.
Second stupidifier: distributed lies. Once everybody gets in the game you lose your reference of truth. The bookkeeping of what is truth and what is not gets messed up. The mighty wurlitzer works like that too.
Third , perceived stupidifier: what conservatives look like from liberal point of view. An attitude saying "we have to show them who's the boss" may seem silly, but it's just conservative thinking, and to some extent it makes sense. Kissinger is a strong defender, and Chomsky always saw the US as the maffia don. It's not plain stupid.
Fourth corporate feeding frenzy benefiting from caricature fringe thinking, eg plain corruption providing the justification for why there should be oil drilling. The rest has to be made up.
Fifth, conservative thinking actually drifting towards the caricature fringe. I'm running out of breath here, things to do you know, I'll think of that later :-)
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Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 9, 2008 6:59 AM
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both parties and their corporate sponsors, including the New York Times Company for which Mr. Krugman works,treat the public like the idiots, which the public are. The public can't be told that it, the public, is primarily responsible for the energy mess, the housing mess and the environmental squalor that our suburbs and expansion into watersheds and fragile ecosystems have caused. the credit card society was fine for a while and the public didn't mind Bush's economic policies of printing money until just this year. but when the bankers pull the plug, they're just saving their butts. what did the public expect? and what "change" does Krugman expect from Obama and his Wall St supporters at JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs?
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Posted by: democraticcritique.us on Aug 9, 2008 7:31 AM
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Posted by: maggiemahar on Aug 9, 2008 8:27 AM
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knownothingism and appeals to the reptilian part of the brain for decades.
Their supposedly astute "framing" of issues is really just a matter of reducing ideas to bumper-stickers and slogans that are very much like advertising slogans. They don't inspire thought; they make the mind click shut like a box.
That's the way propaganda works.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 9, 2008 9:04 AM
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Obama's missing a golden opportunity due to his being compromised by Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley who are engaged in economic asymmetrical warfare against America and it's economy..!
Obama has to choose is it the American people or the criminal bankers he represents..!
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Posted by: Gonnuts on Aug 9, 2008 9:05 AM
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My take is that Obama is being set-up to take a fall, be it from scandals uncovered, another "false-flag" attack, or whatever, the point is to further undermine the masses participation is the election process. If hew were to be assassinated, or have election stolen this would pretty much do the trick. Add in food riots, collapse of economy and we'd be ripe for Martial Law to be declared.
Of course all if this could very well happen even if Obama becomes POTUS. I have absolutely zero faith that Obama will "change" anything for the better. He's just a slicker version of the same-old-same-old.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 9, 2008 9:28 AM
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Over time, people were frustrated and beginning in the late 1960s or one could say 1980, more people thought “Well? We might as well be stuck with raw deal cons because we’ve had it with those “liberals” for not living up to their promises but instead letting the social/economic “conservatives” control the Democratic Party.” We need to elect REAL progressives and liberals who really are what they claim regardless of party. The two party duopoly is what’s killing America.
The Democrats were the ones who also joined the GOP in overtaxing Cannabis and then in 1970, allowed Nixon to create the taxpayer money choking DEA to keep it illegal despite its true benefits. The Democratic Party is way too dysfunctional to even get its own identity straight much less grow a backbone and fight back. At no time these past few decades did the liberals ever infiltrate the GOP although there were some civil libertarian minded Republicans even in the 1970s. The Obama hacks are just plain desperate to simply have Democrats in power and want us to forget that the party has been nothing but a kissup to the GOP and is working harder than ever to out GOP the GOP. The Democrats should vote for the people’s interests and not for the corporate interests. If they would ever try that, the party hacks wouldn’t have to beg people to simply vote Democrat because the Democrats would have been more appealing to the voters naturally than is the case. Sorry Obama hacks but like Gore and Kerry, people are sick and tired of being begged upon to accept artificial BULLSHIT. Either force your Democratic Party to come clean and quit letting the conservatives in the party have their say or just let the party die as we’re already stuck with a one party system that just so happens to have 2 names, Democrat and Republican !!
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» RE: ATTENTION PAUL KRUGMAN: The Democrats were INEFFECTUAL even in Roosevelt's time !!
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» RE: ATTENTION PAUL KRUGMAN: The Democrats were INEFFECTUAL even in Roosevelt's time !!
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» Third Parties and Independents are shut out
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 9:33 AM
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I also didn't think a coward (Big George) who bailed out on his Navy flight crew during WWII and let them die in a pilotless plane crash at sea, then lied about it for political gain should be commander-in-chief.
So why am I still a registered Repub?
Three reasons:
1. My home state, California, has a closed primary system, meaning independents (my true political orientation) can't participate.
2. Every four years I get to vote TWICE against Republican presidential candidates. In the 2004 CAL primary, I wrote in "Mickey Mouse" on my GOP ballot because Big Ears was more qualified to be commander-in-chief than Bush 41's perfectly cloned first son -- another coward!
3. I get all RNC emails which makes great cannon fodder for an investigative journalist.
However, I do have a confession to make.
This year in the CAL primary, I voted for Unfit McCain. Later, in May, I learned error of my ways when I began investigating Songbird McCain's "heroic" POW record. Ever since, to make up for my foolishness, I have been busting my butt writing FACTUAL anti-McCain comments on AlterNet.
With love,
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet & ex-USAF pilot [For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors]
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
PS: In the first week of August, my Unfit McCain Web site had 312,900 hits. Thanks for the support, fellow AlterNetters!
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» Here's my take: Obama is black, McCain isn't. The GOP (Grand Old Prejudice) will win.
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» Do my thing "quietly," edgar1? You wish!
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» Which "Party" to attend!
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Posted by: CalKid on Aug 9, 2008 9:39 AM
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He has supported the war in Iraq.
His economic theories have been proven wrong by history.
Why does anyone care what he says?
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» SORRY. NEOLIBERAL IS SELDOM USED HERE. SOUTH OF HERE
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 9, 2008 10:45 AM
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Mr. Obama can do good but only if he is elected to the presidency. Bush stole two elections, probably by as-yet undisclosed criminal means. A few white lies by Obama to win would be be justified if he does the right things while in office. We know the Republicans won't do the right things, at least not as far as the average American is concerned. They almost never do.
So Mr. Obama...tell us you want to drill and how much it will reduce gas prices. Anyone with an ounce of sense will know two things.
1) It won't help.
2) It could get you elected.
Tell us you want to reduce taxes. Without details, that would be true as long as you don't mention letting those with more cash help take the load off those of us with little cast.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 10:58 AM
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In the 1990s, Krugman was critical of industrial policy (an approach Clinton later dropped under the influence of Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers) and argued in favor of free trade. (He wrote in his book The Great Unraveling, that "I still have the angry letter Ralph Nader sent me when I criticized his attacks on globalization.")
Also, in 1999, Krugman served as a consultant to Enron and was paid $37,500.
Krugman has almost never come out against government interventions, even ones that some expert economists say are bad for poor people.
In the 2008 Presidential campaign, Krugman came under criticism from liberal bloggers after he offered repeated criticism of Democratic candidate Barack Obama and his supporters.
The Huffington Post and several other progressive blogs particularly criticized one of Krugman's columns in which he characterized Obama supporters as 'cult-like', complained that the media had not given Obama sufficient scrutiny, and claimed that a special set of 'Clinton Rules' applied to the Clintons and not to others like Obama.
The protesting bloggers alleged close ties between Krugman and the Clintons, and wrote that his commentary was lopsided in this regard against Barack Obama.
Simply put, Krugman is a stealth neocon in the style of global greed queen and rabid Clinton lover, Madeline Albright -- a PNAC signatory.
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*Hugh E. Scott, 73, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
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» Hugh Scott go read "CONSCIENCE OF A LIBERAL" AND SAY WHAT
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» I'll check it out, Ray, By the way, you might read Barry Goldwater's 1960 book...
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» It's true that Bozell HELPED Barry write his book, which opposed neoconservatism.
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Posted by: mdwoade on Aug 9, 2008 11:15 AM
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The point is that somebody is going to take credit for this. The "drill" people are going to say it was their talking, the "demand" people are going to credit the American driving public, but I think credit goes to the fact that oil is way overpriced at anything over about $70 a barrel. So, watch and see as everyone says "I told you so" when the price drops because...
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 9, 2008 11:28 AM
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Having said this our domestic oil prices are fueled by world oil prices. The world market is outside the purview of the U.S. government. It could be and may be manipulated by futures markets outside the United States. I might leave who might be doing that up to your own imaginations. Your imagination is as good as mine on that point.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Aug 9, 2008 12:52 PM
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They are always allowing the issues to be framed by the Repukes, so it always makes sense to the fear loving, under-edudcated, "good" Christians, the people who are trained to believe what they are told, no matter what the reality is.
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» What? Someone agreed with Hugh Scott? AMAZING! (Thanks, tap17x)
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» Both Parties Screw The Ordinary Person
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Posted by: str88f on Aug 12, 2008 5:16 AM
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Shows the power of this simple logic: that decisions are everything and thinking is for pansies, coupled with the fact that I think the world just didn't believe what was happening. Nobody really fathomed that a kind of moron was being controlled by a bunch of evil, devilish (if there is no hell, it will be invented for Karl Rove and Dick Cheney) war criminals with the moral stature of Adolf Hitler's excrement.
It is really disheartening that it has taken so much time before people could even describe what was going on, let alone catch on to the breathtaking abuse of stupidity the GOP has perpetrated these last years.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Aug 13, 2008 5:15 AM
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Low levels of dopamine makes the amygdala react more intensely to negative experiences. People with low dopamine tend to feel the pain, the loss, and injustices in the world.
Republican policies creates social economic stress on general society. Mothers who are depressed during the last trimester have children with lower dopamine levels, with higher levels of cortizol, and asymmetrical EEGs of the right frontal lobe. It will create a generation of hypersinsitive people. When they grow up to vote, there will be a shift in Government. These are people that will not have the ability to have religious experiences. They will have a life time of mental pain. They will bring in balance for a new generation of normal mothers that will have high levels of dopamine.
Mike
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Posted by: weathered on Aug 9, 2008 3:34 AM
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The NYTimes died on 9/11
it got crushed in its own rubble.
Arrest Silverstein/Bushcon and heal or stay stuck in the Lies.
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» Bob Herbert at the NYT is another reasonable voice.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 3:49 AM
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With love,
*Hugh E. Scott, 73, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
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*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors to give context to this comment.
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» Slight Correction.
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» Definition of a fool: Someone who believes Unfit Mccain.
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Posted by: Phred42 on Aug 9, 2008 6:08 AM
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millionaires and suckers.
-John Dolan
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Posted by: Sons on Aug 9, 2008 6:11 AM
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Without one shred of evidence they believe this.
What should we expect then when it comes to things like WMD, Al Quiada training in Iraq and the rest?
Teaching Americans to hold beliefs only when there is hard evidence would undoubtedly improve the nation.
Sons
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Posted by: Gonnuts on Aug 9, 2008 6:11 AM
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Fact is only dimmest of bulbs believe in left/right paradigm anymore. Our whole political system is corrupt, neither party represents 98% of the people and soon we'll pay a very dear price for falling prey to this folly that we may never recover from.
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» That corruption is not recent: Chomsky on the Media and the “Manufacture of Consent”
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» Krugman's pretty good.
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Posted by: jay diamond on Aug 9, 2008 6:31 AM
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Taken cumulatively, the political pornography of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mike Gallagher, Michael Reagan, Gordon Liddy, et al, represent a holocaust of pathological mendacity and dumbness.
The scandal though, resides in the truth that the various individuals behind the microphone are fungible; completely interchangable and easily replaced by other equally unscrupulous and ambitious vipers eager to speak falsehoods to the powerless on behalf of the true inspiration behind this crude and destructive torrent of hate...the corporate broadcasting networks and their criminally irresponsible managers, and the advertisers who nourish this beast knowing that anyone who takes this drivel seriously is an easy mark who will obediently purchase the junk they advertise on these toxic "show".
The best thing that could happen to our country is for the millions of citizens of normal and above intelligence to force themselves to listen to this disgraceful drivel on low-brow, rightwing radio so that they understand why the political culture of their country is now equivalent to a truck demolition derby.>>
Think I'm exaggerating ?
Well, just think back to the 2000 election. The vicious and stupid talk radio is what put Bush within 543,000 votes of Gore nationally, and tied with Gore in Florida; close enough for the Supreme Court to steal it for him !
And the wave of radio poison that amplified the swift boat smears and all the other GOP defamations targeting John Kerry, was again the margin of "victory" for Rove in 2004 !
What is most disappointing is the odd reluctance of most political commentators and columnists (sadly, including Professor Krugman) to confront this vexing, dangerous, and obscenely idiotic phenomenon.
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» You nailed it, Jay. MSM's indifference to the RW is why 99.999% of Americans don't know about PNAC.
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» If Unfit McCain, America's NUMBER ONE NEOCON, is elected, PNAC will be a HUGE problem!
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Posted by: Officer009 on Aug 9, 2008 6:36 AM
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I have an interesting personal experience of the Republican base. A life-long progressive, in 2000 I took a local county job in a rock solid rural Republican county. The professionals in the office are college educated, but at least 50% are fundamentalist christians (the most evolution denying, 6000 year old earth, homophobic variety). I found only one person with whom I could have satisfying intellectual conversations. This person was a lifelong Republican, active in the local party, voted for Bush in 2000 and a believer that the Clintons had been involved in murdering a number of people around them. Yet, after several years of wide ranging conversations, it turns out that he is a supporter of Unions and employee rights, truly believes in the rights and liberties protected in the constitution, is completely against our militaristic foreign policy approach and the wars, concedes that capitalism is not sacrosanct and even supports nationalizing oil and other resources.
Still this fellow would never consider voting for Obama and in fact I don't think he would ever vote for any Democratic candidate for President. He is equally adamant he cannot vote for McCain. You tell me how a man like this spent most of his adult life drinking the kool-aid and enabling the Republicans.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 9, 2008 6:38 AM
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I see HillaBilly no different then I see McCain since she entered the Senate.
Hillary & Mac were Horses from the same Stable, a Win/Win for the Corps.
Why do you think she is not conceding- she was promised a Win or Place. If Mac wins- she can try again in 2012. If Obama wins she's screwed. So suddenly she releases her Big donors, which such short sighted writers like Tiabbi immediately report as 'Obama's Sell Out'. Well that works just great for her- doesn't it. Re affirming the 'Just a Speech' comment- pushing the 'lefties' over to vote for the long time Dem Red herring - Nadar.I trust the Clintons Now as much as I Trust CheneyCorp. Working both sides against the middle. If Obama rejected these donors and advisors- he could lose just because of cash flow. But more importantly, He would lose becasue they would release these Hounds against him- and in support of Mac (her buddy and co conspirator in election fraud).
As they say 'Don't hate the player, hate the game'. Hillary has never been a Democrat or even an old School Republican - she is a corporationist, with an eye on the Prize
fuck over both sides of the Corp machine...
Obama/Hagel '08
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 9, 2008 6:40 AM
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Even many whose views are developed enough to recognize such truths as the fundamental rottenness of the 2-party system & the complicity of Democrats in all of the Republicans' major crimes, are still unable to draw the logical consequences of these insights. (Those so naive that they still conceive of Democrats as being the "opponents" of Republicans are another case altogether.)
The central point is this: capitalist society permits the Democrats to be one of the 2 allowed parties for a very definite reason. It's not because the Democrats "serve the people." It's because in a subtle but effective way, they help the capitalists keep the populace under control by providing them with the illusion of possible change. TPTB don't want the people "served." They want them managed, or controlled.
It is the job, the central social function of the Democrats to always be dangling before the people's noses vague pseudo-hints of possible change, so as to keep them from bolting from bourgeois politics altogether. It is the Democrats' intention to never deliver meaningful change, but rather to keep dangling hints of it alluringly forever. This produces control -- a populace habituated to remain safely within the lines required by ruling class interests.
This is why the Democrats NEVER paint a picture of US history that's the slightest bit accurate -- they want a brainwashed population every bit as much as the Republicans do. This is why they NEVER are willing to set forth an honest socioeconomic analysis of why things are as they are -- they much prefer that people not understand such things.
As long as a large chunk of voters can be deceived by the seemingly "nicer guy" act of the Democrats, there is no hope whatever of coming to grips with the core problems of our society. The most dangerous trends -- a wasteful consumer society, environmental destruction, grotesque social inequality, and an uncontrollable propaganda/war machine -- cannot even be approached within the framework of bourgeois politics, because they all serve ruling class interests. This is what is really being protected, when people opt to support Democrats just because they seem less blatantly cruel on TV.
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 9, 2008 6:45 AM
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The Democrats are not the "lesser evil;" they are an auxiliary subdivision of the same evil. To understand the political system, one must step back and regard its operation as an integrated whole. The system can't be properly understood if one's study of it begins with an uncritical acceptance of the 2-party system, and the conventional characterizations of the two parties. (Indeed, the fact that society encourages one to view it in this latter way, is perhaps a warning that this perspective should not be trusted.)
Any given piece of reactionary legislation is invariably supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats. Does this show that the Democrats are "less evil?" If one focuses on the noble efforts of the few outspoken dissenters, it's easy to feel that the Democrats are somewhat less evil. But in the larger picture, Democrats invariably submit to what Republicans more ardently promulgate, & the entire range of official opinion thereby shifts to the right. Thus the overall function of Democrats is not so much to fight, as to quasi-passively participate in this ever-rightward-moving process. Just as the Harlem Globetrotters need their Washington Generals to make their basketball games properly entertaining, Republicans need the Democrats for effective staging of the political show.
The Democrats are permitted to exist because their vague hint of eventual progressive change keeps large numbers of people from bolting the political system altogether. Emma Goldman once said, "If voting made a difference, it would be illegal." Similarly, if the Democrats potentially threatened any sort of serious change, they would be banned. The fact that they are fully accepted by the corporations and political establishment tells us at once that their ultimate function must be wholly in line with the interests of those ruling groups.
Doesn't the presence of the Dennis Kuciniches, Cynthia McKinneys, et al "prove" that the Democrats are progressive? No. The Kuciniches and McKinneys are indeed significantly different from the Hillary types -- but there are compelling reasons not to get too excited about them, either. First, they are used by the party as a "Left decoration," simply to keep potential left defectors in tow. Secondly, the party power brokers will NEVER in a million years let the Kucinich-McKinney faction have any real power.
In other words, the very modestly-sized progressive Dem faction is cynically used as a marketing tool by the national party. They are dangled before your eyes to make you think that the Dems are the "lesser evil" (since the Republicans offer no such Left decorations). The existence of a few decent Dems makes no real difference in the overall alignment of the party, and they will never be internally influential. They are a distraction.
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Posted by: surfreality on Aug 9, 2008 6:47 AM
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VO: " Republican congressmen have taken to meeting in the Capital building with the lights out, they are literally in the dark ; how APPROPRIATE is that?
On every American issue , the Republicans truly ARE in the dark:
(As the VO continues the following words scroll down the screen)
Katrina
Healthcare
Mortgage crisis
Conservation
Global warming
Renewable energy
tax cuts for billionaires
Inflation
Job losses
The right to choose
Iraq
taking care of veterans
imperial presidency
Secret government
Subverting the Constitution...
Bring the light back to Washington DC.
This Nov. send the republicans home.
Vote Democratic.
Vote Obama"
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Posted by: ellie on Aug 9, 2008 6:50 AM
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if everyone in the country voted or no one voted at all, the final results would wind up the same... we do not matter anymore...
have you tried to get a politician to listen to you??? you get the nod, pat on the back, the pic of you and the politician with a cheezy grin and whamo, back to business as usual...
our opinions, sentiments and needs are secondary to political aspirations and corporate profits and we allow this to continue... we have little chance of changing the system with 'a damned piece of paper' the constitution or any other means...
we are expected to smile while we get screwed over and like it too...
this place, this country is shot... wake up to the reality and don't forget that happy smile while waving that credit card and spending wildly!!!
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Posted by: nap on Aug 9, 2008 6:57 AM
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I think the main reason the war got support - or too little opposition - was that many believed it was a sure win. That placed those who opposed it in a very bad position, either nationally or internationally. The WMD claims then had to provide a convincing narrative. The WMD threat had stockmarket value: you 'buy' the idea because you can sell it again, not because of its inherent value. The WMD's didn't have to pose a real threat but preferably they had to be real, which didn't seem too hard. A stock of mustard gas, which is a WWI era weapon, would confirm the narrative. Unfortunately the claims broke down, but if the narrative is strong enough you still have the fallback position: "we've been fooled and misled but who wouldn't have been". So there can be stupidity, but the baseline is not commonsense thinking, you have to judge stupidity referring to the baseline of political logic and political survival. It's not something to be taken lightly: if you ignore the logic of political survival you don't survive in politics.
Second stupidifier: distributed lies. Once everybody gets in the game you lose your reference of truth. The bookkeeping of what is truth and what is not gets messed up. The mighty wurlitzer works like that too.
Third , perceived stupidifier: what conservatives look like from liberal point of view. An attitude saying "we have to show them who's the boss" may seem silly, but it's just conservative thinking, and to some extent it makes sense. Kissinger is a strong defender, and Chomsky always saw the US as the maffia don. It's not plain stupid.
Fourth corporate feeding frenzy benefiting from caricature fringe thinking, eg plain corruption providing the justification for why there should be oil drilling. The rest has to be made up.
Fifth, conservative thinking actually drifting towards the caricature fringe. I'm running out of breath here, things to do you know, I'll think of that later :-)
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Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 9, 2008 6:59 AM
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both parties and their corporate sponsors, including the New York Times Company for which Mr. Krugman works,treat the public like the idiots, which the public are. The public can't be told that it, the public, is primarily responsible for the energy mess, the housing mess and the environmental squalor that our suburbs and expansion into watersheds and fragile ecosystems have caused. the credit card society was fine for a while and the public didn't mind Bush's economic policies of printing money until just this year. but when the bankers pull the plug, they're just saving their butts. what did the public expect? and what "change" does Krugman expect from Obama and his Wall St supporters at JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs?
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Posted by: democraticcritique.us on Aug 9, 2008 7:31 AM
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Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Aug 9, 2008 8:17 AM
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Posted by: maggiemahar on Aug 9, 2008 8:27 AM
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knownothingism and appeals to the reptilian part of the brain for decades.
Their supposedly astute "framing" of issues is really just a matter of reducing ideas to bumper-stickers and slogans that are very much like advertising slogans. They don't inspire thought; they make the mind click shut like a box.
That's the way propaganda works.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 9, 2008 9:04 AM
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Obama's missing a golden opportunity due to his being compromised by Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley who are engaged in economic asymmetrical warfare against America and it's economy..!
Obama has to choose is it the American people or the criminal bankers he represents..!
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Posted by: Gonnuts on Aug 9, 2008 9:05 AM
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My take is that Obama is being set-up to take a fall, be it from scandals uncovered, another "false-flag" attack, or whatever, the point is to further undermine the masses participation is the election process. If hew were to be assassinated, or have election stolen this would pretty much do the trick. Add in food riots, collapse of economy and we'd be ripe for Martial Law to be declared.
Of course all if this could very well happen even if Obama becomes POTUS. I have absolutely zero faith that Obama will "change" anything for the better. He's just a slicker version of the same-old-same-old.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 9, 2008 9:28 AM
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Over time, people were frustrated and beginning in the late 1960s or one could say 1980, more people thought “Well? We might as well be stuck with raw deal cons because we’ve had it with those “liberals” for not living up to their promises but instead letting the social/economic “conservatives” control the Democratic Party.” We need to elect REAL progressives and liberals who really are what they claim regardless of party. The two party duopoly is what’s killing America.
The Democrats were the ones who also joined the GOP in overtaxing Cannabis and then in 1970, allowed Nixon to create the taxpayer money choking DEA to keep it illegal despite its true benefits. The Democratic Party is way too dysfunctional to even get its own identity straight much less grow a backbone and fight back. At no time these past few decades did the liberals ever infiltrate the GOP although there were some civil libertarian minded Republicans even in the 1970s. The Obama hacks are just plain desperate to simply have Democrats in power and want us to forget that the party has been nothing but a kissup to the GOP and is working harder than ever to out GOP the GOP. The Democrats should vote for the people’s interests and not for the corporate interests. If they would ever try that, the party hacks wouldn’t have to beg people to simply vote Democrat because the Democrats would have been more appealing to the voters naturally than is the case. Sorry Obama hacks but like Gore and Kerry, people are sick and tired of being begged upon to accept artificial BULLSHIT. Either force your Democratic Party to come clean and quit letting the conservatives in the party have their say or just let the party die as we’re already stuck with a one party system that just so happens to have 2 names, Democrat and Republican !!
RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT !!!!
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» Fifty Eight percent of the populus believes we need a third party,
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» RE: Fifty Eight percent of the populus believes we need a third party,
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» RE: ATTENTION PAUL KRUGMAN: The Democrats were INEFFECTUAL even in Roosevelt's time !!
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» RE: ATTENTION PAUL KRUGMAN: The Democrats were INEFFECTUAL even in Roosevelt's time !!
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» Third Parties and Independents are shut out
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 9:33 AM
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I also didn't think a coward (Big George) who bailed out on his Navy flight crew during WWII and let them die in a pilotless plane crash at sea, then lied about it for political gain should be commander-in-chief.
So why am I still a registered Repub?
Three reasons:
1. My home state, California, has a closed primary system, meaning independents (my true political orientation) can't participate.
2. Every four years I get to vote TWICE against Republican presidential candidates. In the 2004 CAL primary, I wrote in "Mickey Mouse" on my GOP ballot because Big Ears was more qualified to be commander-in-chief than Bush 41's perfectly cloned first son -- another coward!
3. I get all RNC emails which makes great cannon fodder for an investigative journalist.
However, I do have a confession to make.
This year in the CAL primary, I voted for Unfit McCain. Later, in May, I learned error of my ways when I began investigating Songbird McCain's "heroic" POW record. Ever since, to make up for my foolishness, I have been busting my butt writing FACTUAL anti-McCain comments on AlterNet.
With love,
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet & ex-USAF pilot [For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors]
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
PS: In the first week of August, my Unfit McCain Web site had 312,900 hits. Thanks for the support, fellow AlterNetters!
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» Here's my take: Obama is black, McCain isn't. The GOP (Grand Old Prejudice) will win.
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» Hugh...
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» Do my thing "quietly," edgar1? You wish!
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» Which "Party" to attend!
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Posted by: CalKid on Aug 9, 2008 9:39 AM
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He has supported the war in Iraq.
His economic theories have been proven wrong by history.
Why does anyone care what he says?
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» SORRY. NEOLIBERAL IS SELDOM USED HERE. SOUTH OF HERE
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 9, 2008 10:45 AM
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Mr. Obama can do good but only if he is elected to the presidency. Bush stole two elections, probably by as-yet undisclosed criminal means. A few white lies by Obama to win would be be justified if he does the right things while in office. We know the Republicans won't do the right things, at least not as far as the average American is concerned. They almost never do.
So Mr. Obama...tell us you want to drill and how much it will reduce gas prices. Anyone with an ounce of sense will know two things.
1) It won't help.
2) It could get you elected.
Tell us you want to reduce taxes. Without details, that would be true as long as you don't mention letting those with more cash help take the load off those of us with little cast.
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» Drill. Why Not. No one knows how a commodities market will react.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 10:58 AM
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In the 1990s, Krugman was critical of industrial policy (an approach Clinton later dropped under the influence of Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers) and argued in favor of free trade. (He wrote in his book The Great Unraveling, that "I still have the angry letter Ralph Nader sent me when I criticized his attacks on globalization.")
Also, in 1999, Krugman served as a consultant to Enron and was paid $37,500.
Krugman has almost never come out against government interventions, even ones that some expert economists say are bad for poor people.
In the 2008 Presidential campaign, Krugman came under criticism from liberal bloggers after he offered repeated criticism of Democratic candidate Barack Obama and his supporters.
The Huffington Post and several other progressive blogs particularly criticized one of Krugman's columns in which he characterized Obama supporters as 'cult-like', complained that the media had not given Obama sufficient scrutiny, and claimed that a special set of 'Clinton Rules' applied to the Clintons and not to others like Obama.
The protesting bloggers alleged close ties between Krugman and the Clintons, and wrote that his commentary was lopsided in this regard against Barack Obama.
Simply put, Krugman is a stealth neocon in the style of global greed queen and rabid Clinton lover, Madeline Albright -- a PNAC signatory.
With love,
*Hugh E. Scott, 73, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors to give context to this comment.
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» Hugh Scott go read "CONSCIENCE OF A LIBERAL" AND SAY WHAT
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» I'll check it out, Ray, By the way, you might read Barry Goldwater's 1960 book...
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» If Barry were alive today, he would take McCain behind the barn and slap him silly!
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» Just to give credit where credit is due
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» It's true that Bozell HELPED Barry write his book, which opposed neoconservatism.
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» There's no reason to get personal, TheLimit. I'm not trying to fool anybody,
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Posted by: mdwoade on Aug 9, 2008 11:15 AM
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The point is that somebody is going to take credit for this. The "drill" people are going to say it was their talking, the "demand" people are going to credit the American driving public, but I think credit goes to the fact that oil is way overpriced at anything over about $70 a barrel. So, watch and see as everyone says "I told you so" when the price drops because...
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 9, 2008 11:28 AM
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Having said this our domestic oil prices are fueled by world oil prices. The world market is outside the purview of the U.S. government. It could be and may be manipulated by futures markets outside the United States. I might leave who might be doing that up to your own imaginations. Your imagination is as good as mine on that point.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Aug 9, 2008 12:52 PM
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They are always allowing the issues to be framed by the Repukes, so it always makes sense to the fear loving, under-edudcated, "good" Christians, the people who are trained to believe what they are told, no matter what the reality is.
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Posted by: Howard on Aug 9, 2008 3:27 PM
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» What? Someone agreed with Hugh Scott? AMAZING! (Thanks, tap17x)
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Posted by: str88f on Aug 12, 2008 5:16 AM
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Shows the power of this simple logic: that decisions are everything and thinking is for pansies, coupled with the fact that I think the world just didn't believe what was happening. Nobody really fathomed that a kind of moron was being controlled by a bunch of evil, devilish (if there is no hell, it will be invented for Karl Rove and Dick Cheney) war criminals with the moral stature of Adolf Hitler's excrement.
It is really disheartening that it has taken so much time before people could even describe what was going on, let alone catch on to the breathtaking abuse of stupidity the GOP has perpetrated these last years.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Aug 13, 2008 5:15 AM
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Low levels of dopamine makes the amygdala react more intensely to negative experiences. People with low dopamine tend to feel the pain, the loss, and injustices in the world.
Republican policies creates social economic stress on general society. Mothers who are depressed during the last trimester have children with lower dopamine levels, with higher levels of cortizol, and asymmetrical EEGs of the right frontal lobe. It will create a generation of hypersinsitive people. When they grow up to vote, there will be a shift in Government. These are people that will not have the ability to have religious experiences. They will have a life time of mental pain. They will bring in balance for a new generation of normal mothers that will have high levels of dopamine.
Mike
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