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Election 2008

Does GOP Stand for Grampa's Old Politicians?

By Andy Kroll, The Nation. Posted August 8, 2008.


If the GOP fails to bring a new generation into their ranks, they may continue to lose the votes of that generation for decades to come.
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John McCain is, by his own admission, computer illiterate. Those boxes of motherboards, microprocessors, sound cards, video cards, disc drives and hard drives baffle him. Email? Barely a clue. Facebook? Don't even bother. Nevertheless, with just over two months until Election Day, McCain, technological deficiencies and all, is eyeing the votes of the estimated fifty million

Twittering, text messaging, iPod-toting young voters in this country. In doing so, McCain's "straight talking" campaign faces a daunting challenge: selling the senior senator from Arizona, a man born before the advent of cable television, VCRs and cell phones, to a technologically dependent generation with whom he has practically nothing in common.

It's an almost universally accepted fact that John McCain, who would be the oldest first-term president in US history, will not win a majority of the youth vote. Barack Obama has enjoyed impressive support from young people since entering the race, and the chances of those throngs of voters inexplicably switching their allegiance are about as good as McCain creating his own Second Life avatar. Numerous polls and surveys show Obama ahead by at least twenty percentage points or more among young voters, a lead the McCain campaign cannot expect to overcome by November.

On the other hand, they don't have to. McCain simply needs to chip away enough at Obama's lead among the young -- or simply discourage young first-time voters from making a trip to the polls -- to make a potentially close election more winnable. However, for Republicans another fear lurks beyond the loss of young Americans this November. As any advertiser knows, if you brand successfully among the young, you create potential customers for life. In politics, the same concept has historically proven to be true. If the GOP fails to bring a new generation into their ranks this election season, they may continue to lose the votes of that generation for years, even decades, to come, dooming the Republican Party to minority status well into the future.


Worse yet, for the McCain campaign and Republican Party veterans, the numbers do not look promising this year. Since forming his presidential exploratory committee in November 2006, the senator has consistently trailed his competitors -- both Republican and Democratic -- in youth support. Throughout the primaries, youth polls and surveys consistently showed McCain's support lagging behind that of his competitors. Since clinching the nomination in early March, it's only gotten worse. After all, he now faces a candidate who really excites young Americans, Barack Obama.

Of course, when it comes to the youth vote in this election, any Republican nominee would begin the race at a significant disadvantage. Young people are clearly skewing to the left this election year, identifying more with the Democratic Party and embracing more liberal positions on so-called wedge issues by sizeable majorities. They've supported more lenient approaches to dealing with illegal immigrants, agreed that all citizens should have health care (even if the government has to provide it to those who can't afford it) and supported either same-sex marriage or civil unions for homosexual couples. Meanwhile, John McCain has wavered on immigration, his health care plan has been described as "total "laissez-faire liberty" and he opposes both same-sex marriage and allowing gay couples to adopt.

Above all else, it's McCain's age -- and how voters perceive his age -- that works against him. In late August, McCain will turn 72, making him a quarter century older than Obama. A Pew Research Center for People and the Press survey in February found that "old" was the first word the majority of respondents offered when asked about John McCain. When asked about Obama, "inexperienced" topped the list.  A New York Times/CBS News poll from March 2007 reported that less than 1 percent of respondents believed the "best age for a president of the United States" was "in their 70s."

The odds are clearly stacked against McCain's mission to woo young voters. However, various youth organizers for the Republican candidate -- officially working for the campaign as well as with "independent" McCain groups -- want to tell a different story. For them, polling numbers aren't everything; in fact they're nothing that some genuine grit, determination and optimism can't overcome.

"Let me just start by saying that it would not be unheard of for a Republican candidate to win the youth vote," says Justin York, a grassroots youth organizer for McCain in Florida and an incoming junior at the University of Central Florida (UCF). York points out that Ronald Reagan, nearly McCain's age in 1984, won the majority of youth voters in his reelection bid and George H.W. Bush, at the age of 64, also captured the majority of youth voters four years later. And if York's organizing efforts in Florida pay off, perhaps McCain can repeat their successes.

A self-described "Theodore Roosevelt conservative," York works for the Knights for McCain, a student-run organizing group started in August 2007 (The Knight is UCF's mascot). Independent of the McCain campaign's official Students for McCain network, the group works closely with UCF's College Republicans chapter, and first helped promote McCain in the lead-up to the Florida primary. York himself built contacts with numerous other Florida McCain on-campus activists and took pride in the senator's decisive primary victory. Still, he's willing to acknowledge the hurdles he and his fellow organizers face in selling their peers on John McCain.

The 2008 election is perceived as the Democrats' to lose; Obama is young and charismatic; and Obama says he'll address the bitter partisanship that has marred Washington politics for as long as most young people can remember. For all these reasons, York suggests, many young people have eagerly embraced Obama's campaign. "We're not going to win the cosmetic battle," he readily admits. And while offering McCain's positions on issues like the Iraq war or health care may be important, York believes the key to generating youth support is highlighting those intangibles that Republicans have long considered their territory -- "values" and "character."

McCain's distinguished military record and long tenure as a civil servant will be important talking points for McCain youth organizers in the coming months. It's these traits that they believe will separate him from Obama in the minds of young people. "We're going to talk about character and try to make that contrast with Senator Obama who many people think is a shaman [and] ... a mystic leader who's going to transform our politics, when the most noticeable thing about him is that he voted 130 times 'Present' in the Illinois legislature," York argues. "[Obama] is a man with a thin record, and a man of few accomplishments, who is running to be president of the United States against a genuine war hero and a man who actually put his political career on the line as recently as last year for his country."

Over 3,000 miles away, Geoff Smock, the Washington State Students for McCain chair, agrees that Obama's appeal to young people will prove difficult for McCain and the Republican Party to overturn. "There are understandable reasons for people my age supporting Senator Obama to the degree they do," Smock, an incoming senior at Pacific Lutheran University, concedes. "He's very eloquent, and I think he appeals to [young people's] general sense of optimism and ideals."

Smock, who worked as an organizer for the Bush/Cheney campaign in 2004, believes, like York, that presenting McCain's "record" and "character" will be important in narrowing the gap between the two candidates' youth support. "If we can get young people to focus on his record closely," Smock contends, "they'll see routinely he has worked for the prosperity of the US."

With numerous polls showing the economy weighing heavily on the minds of young Americans, the best strategy for gaining ground on Obama and bringing young people into the GOP may be, Smock thinks, to sell his peers on McCain's proposals to let workers pay into private retirement savings accounts and to make health insurance more portable and transferable between jobs. "The top thing I would say is how he's going to reform economic institutions to work for us," Smock insists. "We need to convince young people that he has a plan to do this."

But banking on Gen-Nexters to help deliver a narrow victory will be hard unless youthful enthusiasm for Obama isn't somehow blunted. On this front the signs are not encouraging. Between February 1 and July 31, Obama held thirty-two campaign events in college towns; McCain held three. The McCain campaign has yet to publicly announce an official youth outreach or youth vote campaign director. On the other hand, Obama has hired former Rock the Vote political director Hans Reimer. Not surprisingly, young Republicans have complained about the McCain campaign's poor efforts at the grassroots level and failure to make use of existing networks. "They definitely haven't reached out to the younger generation as strongly as I hoped they would," an organizer for the Young Republicans in South Carolina recently told a local newspaper. "It's a big mistake. You've got to create something that people want to be a part of. I'm just not getting that feeling this go-round." A young conservative political strategist named David All concurred, remarking to the Washington Post that "Republicans are sort of talking down to Gen-Nexters, not bringing them in." In the same Post story, a McCain campaign spokesman insisted that the campaign is firmly committed to courting the youth. "We view the youth vote as very competitive, and we will campaign aggressively," he promised.

If McCain does narrow the youth gap, it won't be the result of his own campaigning efforts. Most of his youth organizing is led by the Students for McCain network, which has statewide chapters stretching from New Hampshire and New York to Oklahoma and Florida and on college campuses like the University of Texas at Austin, University of Michigan and James Madison University in Virginia. As the presumptive Republican candidate, McCain can also count on the support of the College Republicans and Young Republicans national organizations working on his behalf.

What every one of these McCain youth organizers understands is that the stakes are high. Numerous national polls show McCain and Obama statistically tied or separated by single digits. Whether McCain can chip away at Obama's commanding lead among those fifty million or so young voters could mean the difference between the slimmest of victories or a significant loss. "I think it's going to be very close and I think we need every vote we can get," Smock says. "If we can get that many more youth votes out for Senator McCain, and we can convince them he has the best politics for America's future prosperity, then that could be decisive."

In the minds of some Republicans, the stakes are even higher. Much has been said about the "pendulum" of political power in Washington swinging back to the Democratic side after decades of Republican control. The 2006 midterm elections, which gave Democrats control over the House and Senate, were the first signal of this swing; several congressional by-elections to fill seats since then have only confirmed the Democrats' strength. "The Republican brand is in the trash can," Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA), a former chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee, lamented in May.

The prospect of seeing the Republican brand go the way of the SUV clearly weighs on the minds of York and Smock. Smock believes it will take no less than an exhaustive organizing effort to ensure the future competitiveness of the GOP. "We have to work every day, every minute of the day, to convince young Americans that we offer the best policies for America, for America's future and for them."

It's this fear -- of losing the votes of this emerging voting population, of a return to the political wilderness -- that may provoke the roughest, dirtiest campaign of our lifetime.

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Andy Kroll is a summer intern at The Nation. His writing has appeared at Campus Progress, CBSNews.com, and The Progressive Review. He can be reached at andykroll (at) gmail.com.

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They're stealing my stuff!
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 8, 2008 2:48 AM   
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Two days ago in one of my AlterNet comments, I nicknamed Unfit McCain the "Grumpy Old Politician."

The more monikers the better, as long as they aren't used as insults against fellow AlterNetters, which, sadly, seems to be a growing trend.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran [For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors]
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

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» RE: They're stealing my stuff! Posted by: LionHeart
» Gutless Oil Pimps... Posted by: ranchero42
» RE: Harper Valley G.O.P.... Posted by: zootlux
McPain: An accident that's already happenned!
Posted by: williameon on Aug 8, 2008 3:17 AM   
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The Grumpy Old Man!
Old Lizard Head has
One foot in the Grave and the other
On a Banana Peel!
His is the sacrificial Old Ram
Blame everything on O-bomb-a.
He will be holding the bag.
The coffers will be bare
And all the secrets will be finally be seen.
The Country drowns in a Mountain of debt and
A full blown DEPRESSION!

Will the facts ever come out?
Hold them responsible for their crimes against Humanity.
They Walked the walk
They talked a line of BU__! SH__!
They committed the Crimes
Now make them
Do the Time!
GITMO 4 BUSH/CHANEY
4 More Years!

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The silver lining
Posted by: astockton on Aug 8, 2008 4:02 AM   
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Newt Gingrich has expressed his fear that the GOP will return to its status as the permanent minority party. He should consider the silver lining: with less to do, he'll have more time to look around for wife No. 4. Surely, by now, No. 3 is starting to look shopworn.

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» RE: The silver lining Posted by: orwellturns
The party is over!
Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 8, 2008 4:10 AM   
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The GOP, once a party with great ideals has long since shot itself in the foot. The democrat party has defined it self as a party that can get nothing done in a hurry - all talk, no action..

What we need is the rise of the independents - return the whitehouse to those ordinary people that don't have or come from multi millions but have strong ideals.

Talk about delusional.

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» RE: The party is over! Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: The party is over! Posted by: LionHeart
Seven reasons to vote against the Grumpy Old Politician (Unfit McCain)
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 8, 2008 4:07 AM   
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1. He will continue President Bush's belligerent foreign policy
which led to the unjustified and unending Iraq War that has
killed more than 4,000 U.S. military personnel and 100,000
Iraqi civilians, decimated our armed forces and added mega-
billions to the national debt.

2. McCain has endorsed the failed Bush economic policies that
are destroying the middleclass, causing jobs to go overseas,
pushing homeowners into foreclosure and endangering the
future of our offspring for decades to come.

3. McCain is America's "Number One Neocon" with direct ties
to Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist oganization, Project for
a New American Century (PNAC), which promoted regime
change in Iraq before 9/11 and wants to dominate the world
with U.S. military power.

4. During the 2008 presidental campaign, McCain showed he
lacked the necessary integrity to be commander-in-chief by
flip-flopping on major issues -- such as torture, off-shore
drilling and the 2001 Bush tax cuts that favored America's
wealthiest citizens.

5. He promised in February not run a negative campaign. Then,
five months later, rather than discuss important issues like
high energy prices and rising unemployment, McCain's
advisors unleashed a scurrilous, Karl Rove-inspired attack on
Barack Obama's character, such as calling him "arrogant" -- a
substitute for "uppity" with racial overtones. Never mind
that arrogance is a quintessential quality of anyone seeking to
become the most powerful leader on Earth, including Sen. McCain.

6. McCain distorted his "heroic" POW record and exploited it for
political gain.

7. Finally, if McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington
will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain
in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know
how many White House crimes were committed over the past
eight years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America
deserves a better future than that.

*Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors.

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» Worse than waterboarding! Posted by: progressive-life
» Keep At 'Em... Posted by: ranchero42
"inexperienced" may be a plus
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 8, 2008 5:28 AM   
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I can't help thinking about the 1992 election and Ross Perot, who had NO government experience. A big chunk of the electorate thought that Washington "experience" was a big, big negative, and Perot took enough Republican votes to put Clinton in the White House.

"Experience" means "business as usual", Karl Rove type politics, no health care solutions, lobbyists running the show, lies, fraud, incompetence, etc.

Frankly, I don't think that "experience" is going to sell.

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Happy birthday ad
Posted by: mr.ed on Aug 8, 2008 6:26 AM   
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On his 72nd birthday, somebody (please) should do an ad reminding us that he's only two years away from the average male lifespan, what stuff was popular when he was a kid (running boards, polio, rural electrification), to a background of thirties music, wishing him good luck "and don't forget to zip."

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» RE: Happy birthday ad Posted by: orwellturns
When it comes to applying for a job in politics, "experience" is defined as how well tied to the
Posted by: jwverez on Aug 8, 2008 6:33 AM   
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corrupt corporate, religious fundie, and military interests you are. If you can win the hearts of the traitorous Chamber of Commerce and James Dobson, and perhaps some corrupt monied military elites, the election's yours to lose. LBJ succeeded like that in 1964, Raygun and Papa Bush in 1980s, and Baby Bush this decade. As someone earlier pointed out, Ross Perot helped Bill Clinton although I think Clinton would have likely won but with a much closer vote in 1992 and may have done the same in 1996 given his pro-GOP pandering and that during the 1990s, DLC "centrism" was somehow a "winning" platform for Democrats despite the long term defeats that followed. Too bad in most walks of life, unless you have those "special" ties, your skills and experience for a job you apply to can and will be tested against you.

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Divided We Fail
Posted by: kennickell on Aug 8, 2008 8:40 AM   
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AARP has launched Divided We Fail to raise the voices of millions of Americans who believe that health care and life-time financial security are the most pressing domestic issues facing our nation. Learn the issues, add your voice and find out how you can get involved at www.dividedwefail.org

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It's not the age, it's the dementia
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 8, 2008 10:28 AM   
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If the maximum crookedness party wants to run any 72 year old, that's not the problem. There are plenty of competent 72 year olds available. However, this one is already struggling with his memory, again and again and again. McCain used to be among the best crooks in Washington, but now he's a more easily manipulated forgetful rutabaga. It could also be the Ambien.

You don't think presidential candidate McCain was really in charge when they ran a campaign ad featuring two young white alcoholic sex symbols, black presidential candidate Obama, and a blackish penis-shaped building, do you? Racial stereotyping translation: "Where da white wimmen at?" ("Blazing Saddles", spoken in a comic high register by "an uppity n--" trying to lure two Klansmen into a trap). Somebody should splice that Blazing Saddles film clip next to the Paris Hilton ad clip.

Well yes McCain is held responsible for the racial smear and he sure didn't stop the ad. I think he was too mindless and stupid to stop the ad.

If a president's memory and cognition were no problem at all, we could have elected Pigasus the pig to be president.

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Get ready for a permanent jackboot society. Unfit McCain will WIN in November!
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 8, 2008 10:56 AM   
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I watched Christopher Dickey on C-SPAN today. Newsweek's Paris bureau chief, he was new to me but not his father, James Dickey, author of the unforgettable 1970 novel, Deliverance.

Like me, the younger Dickey was raised in the Deep South. Using his childhood experience to open doors and minds, he recently toured Republican red states and chatted with the locals. Based on numerous interviews during the trip, he anecdotally concluded that racism is alive and well throughout the South.

Combining frank conversations with various opinion polls, Dickey believes even if 100% of black people vote for Obama, they won't offset the number of white citizens -- Democrats, Republicans and independents -- who don't want a man of color in the White House.

Yet, at the same time, many bigots favor a Democrat-controlled Congress. Never mind that Herr Busch and the goose-stepping, rightwing GOP has turned the U.S. presidency into a "unitary" executive, with virtually unlimited dictatorial authority over our lives. Thanks to the War Powers Act, Patriot Act, signing statements and Republican Stepford wives in the Senate and House of Representatives, four years under a McCain administration will probably be our nation's tipping point.

While the rest of the world shakes it collective head in disbelief, this sweet land of liberty my ancestors fought and died for, starting with the American Revolution, will plunge into the dustbin of history as a failed democracy.

At this very moment, you can bet Hillary Clinton and her selfish sidekick, Slick Willie, both shrewd and astute politicians, are planning another White House run in 2012 against President McCain.

It's all very depressing.

With love,

*Hugh E. Scott, 73, Vietnam vet, lielong registered Republicn and frustrated Obama supporter.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors to give context to this comment.

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John McCain
Posted by: moonmann49 on Aug 8, 2008 11:01 AM   
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How can everyone not see that this man will take the country down,I came into this race neutral but after doing my research on McCain I am making the right choice by not supporting him. McCain has lied from the very start, he is lost on International Issues, Financial matters, Race relations, the economy, the wars,care for the veterans, the deficit, the impact of a full energy plan, health care. McCain is a runner for the oil companies and he uses emotionalism and ignorance to see OTC drilling. To make a long story short,John McCain should have been born over a toilet and flushed down the drain immediately!

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» RE: John McCain Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: John McCain Posted by: progressive-life
McCain's distinguished military record and long tenure as a civil servant will be important talking
Posted by: madmax427 on Aug 8, 2008 11:02 AM   
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This is as far as I could go! McCain was a PASSENGER on a flight that got shot down that led to His time as a POW! The People He servesd time with as a POW have a much MORE impressive 'story' to tell about McCains' time as a POW! Hero? B.S.!

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» 5th grade journalism Posted by: progressive-life
No it stands for Greasy Old Perverts
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 8, 2008 11:47 AM   
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The GOP says it's against gays,terrorists and
environmental degredation. I think a look at the news would prove that wrong. The GOP has shithouse gays,prosttitute buying,environmental killers in their ranks.
Not to mention a President that subverts the Congress right to declare War. Use outright deciet to get it's goals met and host a Traitor
as Vice President who shoots friends in the face and makes them apologize for being a bullet catcher.
In the beginning the GOP was very anti corporation,environmentally sound and seemed to care about the people. A hundred and fifty years ago. Now they are so 'corpie' their very pores ooze pollutants and the only folks they give a tinker's damn about are the ones that can sit down at a $250,000 a plate fundraiser.
The Dems are no better,they just have different friends,equally rich,just different.
If we want a better country we need to get rid of all of them. Your vote does'nt mean shit anyway,it's the electoral college that counts,not us. Until we control our election we're only going to get more greasy old perverts and more donkey shit. It's time for real change.
WRITE IN Jeffrey7 for Prez '08

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Grand Old PEDOPHILES
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 8, 2008 12:24 PM   
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45 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES


Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

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» RE: The race isnt close. Posted by: yale
» If I Believed Any Rightwinger... Posted by: ranchero42
JOHN MCCAIN WAS NEVER ALL THAT SHARP
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 8, 2008 12:55 PM   
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There are lots of people his age who are smart and not at all slowed down. But then they were probably always like that. Bright,intelligent people start out that way, and get better with age. They stay curious and don't object to change. They are not strangers to computers. They marvel at new ideas rather than being all grouchy because times do change. Both of my grandmothers never skipped a beat and never seemed "old". They were much older than McCain. Thanks, ANNA

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John Edwards
Posted by: Dboy on Aug 8, 2008 1:20 PM   
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Well well well. Turns out John Edwards is straight after all. Chasing skirt while your wife is busy fighting cancer...what can you say? Guess that explains why he didn't get the nomination.

dboy

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The Generation Gap
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Aug 8, 2008 3:31 PM   
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Don't look now, but the Republicans are fretting, sweating, twiddling their thumbs on how to sell, or market, their "war" "hero", John McCain.
First, it's obvious that the Elephants need a youth transfusion in leadership on the national level, to connect to Generation X, Y, Z, Q, M or whatever letter of the alphabet used today.
Second, it's a known platitude that the Arizona senator wasn't their man; now they're stuck with him, and as youths know, his challenger is hip, intelligent, has written HIS OWN books, has a lovely wife and two gorgeous children, was featured prominently in Vibe, Ebony, Jet and other magazines; and is the darling of Europe. He is the Blu-Ray, the cool Toyota Scion and the nice German sports car convertible; the Jay-Z and Justin Timberlake and a product of MTV of this generation. He is modern and open to the world. To some he is the Black version of Camelot.
McCain, however, has had people write his books, who looks like he's more comfortable with the AARP set and aging war veterans and can't seem to generate much excitement to anyone younger than 45. The proof is in his face.
He is the Hi-Fi, pre-ESPN, the Wayne Newton and RCA Victor record label, a 78 lp, the chrome-dripped 1949 Buick flivver, the black and white TV, the Commie hater who seems to be unwilling to reach out to foreigners.
Third, when you're at his age and when young people look at him they certainly have to cringe as they can't bond with him. With Obama, they know he's got it. He's the "It" guy, just as Maria Sharapova was the "it" girl who took tennis by storm five years ago.
Fourth, young people are very fickle and are very smart. The United States is ruled by a bunch of old people who are out of touch with the young.
Want proof? Laws are passed by older adults who try to regluate youthful behavior, thereby placing restrictions on movement and assembly. But not all youths subscribe to deviant behavior. They will listen to older people like McCain, Romney, et al. IF they know some politicians really care about them.
Fifth, older people find it hard to leave the past behind. No matter what younger people think about McCain's generation, they feel he and politicians of both parties berate them just because they're young and will not serve in the armed forces. The R's need to find someone under 50 to run next time or else, it'll be another McCain facing another age difference in the political audience.
Lastly, the Democrats are much further along in connecting with today's generation, because they are down with hip-hop, tend to be more pemissible and liberal; and they speak their language. It would be wise for the GOP to find a much youthful candidate who learned a new tongue.

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BobHavlan
Posted by: BobHavlan on Aug 8, 2008 6:13 PM   
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GOP? GREEDY OIL POLITICIANS. Let's tell it like it is. We must call them and repeat over and over and over (like they would) They are GREEDY OIL POLITICIANS. SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S THE TRUTH!!!

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Old, shmold
Posted by: mim on Aug 9, 2008 5:25 AM   
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Old age itself isn't the problem. The oldest Supreme Court Justice today is also the most liberal, and the oldest U.S. Senator today gave a stirring speech against entering the Iraq War.

The liberals of the mid-twentieth century can still teach us a thing or two about liberalism, and the Republican Party before the "Reagan Revolution" was not ruled by radical right.

What old age tends to do is confirm the tendencies of a lifetime. Change is still possible, but you know the joke about psychiatrists and a light bulb.

And then there's the danger of dementia. Ask those who were close to Ronald Reagan.

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GOP = Gross Old Party
Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 9, 2008 8:18 AM   
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It is more clear than ever that the GOP's lies are catching up to them as well. They are the "old money" people who's entire existence is designed to keep the masses poor and their rich friends rich.

Just a look at how the votes went for the bill to allow workers to organize tells the whole story in a nut shell. Read the Votes

Almost without exception Republicans voted against workers across America.

Not only do they want to help send our jobs offshore, they want to cripple workers at home to help keep their wages as low as possible. Not only do they work with their big business sponsors to limit their right to form unions, almost no Republican has voted for an increase in Minimum Wage for years.

These are the American People they vote against in favor of large donors of money !

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Old vs Young
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Aug 9, 2008 11:36 AM   
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While Obama has plenty of time to learn more and become more effective as our new President, it is impossible for McCain to grow younger in hopes of using what he knows longer. There is a good chance that McCain may not live long enough to complete his first term in office - should he be elected.

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