Home
Archive
Columnists
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Register to Vote: Rock the Vote, powered by Working Assets Wireless
Advertisement
  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement

Election 2008

Memo to Obama, McCain: No One Wins in a War

By Howard Zinn, Boston Globe. Posted July 18, 2008.


We should be asking the candidates: Is our war in Afghanistan ending terrorism, or provoking it? And is not war itself terrorism?
Advertisement

Barack Obama and John McCain continue to argue about war. McCain says to keep the troops in Iraq until we "win" and supports sending more troops to Afghanistan. Obama says to withdraw some (not all) troops from Iraq and send them to fight and "win" in Afghanistan.

For someone like myself, who fought in World War II, and since then has protested against war, I must ask: Have our political leaders gone mad? Have they learned nothing from recent history? Have they not learned that no one "wins" in a war, but that hundreds of thousands of humans die, most of them civilians, many of them children?

Did we "win" by going to war in Korea? The result was a stalemate, leaving things as they were before with a dictatorship in South Korea and a dictatorship in North Korea. Still, more than 2 million people - mostly civilians - died, the United States dropped napalm on children, and 50,000 American soldiers lost their lives.

Did we "win" in Vietnam? We were forced to withdraw, but only after 2 million Vietnamese died, again mostly civilians, again leaving children burned or armless or legless, and 58,000 American soldiers dead.

Did we win in the first Gulf War? Not really. Yes, we pushed Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, with only a few hundred US casualties, but perhaps 100,000 Iraqis died. And the consequences were deadly for the United States: Saddam was still in power, which led the United States to enforce economic sanctions. That move led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, according to UN officials, and set the stage for another war.

In Afghanistan, the United States declared "victory" over the Taliban. Now the Taliban is back, and attacks are increasing. The recent US military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq. What makes Obama think that sending more troops to Afghanistan will produce "victory"? And if it did, in an immediate military sense, how long would that last, and at what cost to human life on both sides?

The resurgence of fighting in Afghanistan is a good moment to reflect on the beginning of US involvement there. There should be sobering thoughts to those who say that attacking Iraq was wrong, but attacking Afghanistan was right.

Go back to Sept. 11, 2001. Hijackers direct jets into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing close to 3,000 A terrorist act, inexcusable by any moral code. The nation is aroused. President Bush orders the invasion and bombing of Afghanistan, and the American public is swept into approval by a wave of fear and anger. Bush announces a "war on terror."

Except for terrorists, we are all against terror. So a war on terror sounded right. But there was a problem, which most Americans did not consider in the heat of the moment: President Bush, despite his confident bravado, had no idea how to make war against terror.

Yes, Al Qaeda - a relatively small but ruthless group of fanatics - was apparently responsible for the attacks. And, yes, there was evidence that Osama bin Laden and others were based in Afghanistan. But the United States did not know exactly where they were, so it invaded and bombed the whole country. That made many people feel righteous. "We had to do something," you heard people say.

Yes, we had to do something. But not thoughtlessly, not recklessly. Would we approve of a police chief, knowing there was a vicious criminal somewhere in a neighborhood, ordering that the entire neighborhood be bombed? There was soon a civilian death toll in Afghanistan of more than 3,000 -- exceeding the number of deaths in the Sept. 11 attacks. Hundreds of Afghans were driven from their homes and turned into wandering refugees.

Two months after the invasion of Afghanistan, a Boston Globe story described a 10-year-old in a hospital bed: "He lost his eyes and hands to the bomb that hit his house after Sunday dinner." The doctor attending him said: "The United States must be thinking he is Osama. If he is not Osama, then why would they do this?"

We should be asking the presidential candidates: Is our war in Afghanistan ending terrorism, or provoking it? And is not war itself terrorism?

Digg!

See more stories tagged with: war, obama, mccain, howard zinn

Howard Zinn is author of "A People's History of the United States."

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from Election 2008! Sign up now »

Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
I think....
Posted by: foreverhope on Jul 18, 2008 5:01 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
....most of the victims of 9/11 would be angry and horrified to know their deaths have been used as a rationalization to perpetuate war with the collateral damage to innocent civilian lives barely counting for anything. However I just don't see it ending until bin Laden is captured or dead and I'm sorry but I think that is what most Americans (not me) want and do see that as 'winning'.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: I think.... Posted by: VZEQICVA
Killing People to Stop People From Killing People
Posted by: WaldoMaui on Jul 18, 2008 6:17 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"War creates peace like hate creates love." -- David L. Wilson

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

McSame, another liar
Posted by: truthfinder on Jul 19, 2008 8:18 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So, the statement that no one wins in a war comes from McSame who advocates 100 years of war in Iraq? And his response to Iran is bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. So, which is it, McSame , or do we call you Mr. McFlipFlop now?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Captured
Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 20, 2008 9:44 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bin Laden should be captured, taken to the Hague for Crimes against humanity and either condemned to death or more preferably put in prison for the rest of his life. That Bush won't do this is unforgivable.

However, I also think Bush and Cheney and about a dozen of their cronies should also have to stand trial for crimes against humanity, at the Hague.

Then to protect America from further damage the entire Bush family should have their citizenship revoked and sent out of the USA. They can go to their estate in Paraguay. Should that not occur I feel certain that our country will hear and suffer more from this extreme and radical family. The damage from this family of criminals began under St. Reagan and continues to this very day and looks to continue on into the future.

I doubt the American national psyche will ever be cleansed from the filth and sink done by this single family. Of course they were helped by their right wing religions and their right wing STOTUS and their right eing Republican party. but I don't think we can expell all of them from what is left of our country and our democracy. Or can we expel all of them...

At the very core of this entire problem is that they are supported by the right wing religions, including my own. Had the RR stayed out of Republican party politics the Repubs would never have gotten away with their 'Culture of Death' agenda for profits, especially ewver greater oil profits, and endless political power.

If our Ship of State has been permanently steered to the 'extremist right' then we are in for many more wars, especially religious wars and wars for profit.

These right wingers are not done with us, the American people, yet.

Jesus admonished us to not merge church and state, our now shredded Constitution says the very same thing. That is good enough for me.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

You rock
Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on Jul 23, 2008 12:41 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Howard Zinn is fracking amazing. Fantastic.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Zinn is wrong on a few points.
Posted by: brunowe on Jul 24, 2008 6:56 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First, our intervention in Korea saved S. Korea from the misfortune N. Korea now suffers. Yes, Syngman Rhee was still in power, but a democratic movement eventually did take power in S. Korea and it has become a materially better-off country since 1953. N. Korea still languishes under the personality cult of the Kim "dynasty".

Throwing Hussein out of Kuwait checked his attempt to become the paramount regional power in the Gulf. Although one can argue on how the sanctions were applied, Hussein's five-year delay on accepting an oil-for-food program contributed greatly to his people's suffering. Further, it needn't have set the stage for another war; neo-con demagougery and geo-politics were more responsible for that.

Finally, Zinn ignores the fact that the Taliban were allied with al-Qaida. The idea that we could've gone into just the part of Afghanistan where al-Qaida infrastructure was without taking out the Taliban is silly. Further, although counter-insurgency in Afghanistan has turned for the worse (due, to a large extent, to Bush's diversion of resources into Iraq), it doesn't change the fact that al-Qaida was hurt by it.

It seems that the only war Zinn approves of is the one that he fought in.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Zinn is wrong on a few points. Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal
» That is so ridiculous... Posted by: brunowe
Obama Afghanistan
Posted by: rybo1 on Jul 31, 2008 11:43 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama's new line should be, "More of the same we can believe in." His bowing to AIPAC and the Zionist, Israeli regime is sickening. His Warmongering words towards Afghanistan and Pakistan are pathetic. His voting for the horrid FISA bill was absolutely unpatriotic, as it was against the Constitution.

It's the same old crap, in a new suit and in a more highly polished package. He's picked up the banner of American Imperialism and will carry it on to the Caspian Basin. In Berlin, he babbled about tearing down walls, but he conveniently for Israel, didn't say a word about the walls erected in Palestine. What a phony. I'm sure because of his turn-arounds that many will no longer support him. As for me, I'll look elsewhere to cast my vote.

Obama is nothing more and nothing less than an opportunist and a huge disappointment.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]