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10 McCain Gaffes from This Week That Should Have Damaged His Chances
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This is the week that should have effectively ended John McCain's efforts to become the next president of the United States. But you wouldn't know it if you watched any of the mainstream media outlets or followed political reporting in the major newspapers.
During this past week: McCain called the most important entitlement program in the U.S. a disgrace, his top economic adviser called the American people whiners, McCain released an economic plan that no one thought was serious, he flip flopped on Iraq, joked about the deaths of Iranian citizens, and denied making comments that he clearly made --- TWICE. Yet watching and reading the mainstream press you would think McCain was having a pretty decent political week, I mean at least Jesse Jackson didn't say anything about him.
But let's unpack McCain's week in a little more detail.
1. McCain unambiguously called Social Security "an absolute disgrace." This is not a quote taken out of context. John McCain called one of the most successful and popular government programs, which uses the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly "an absolute disgrace." This is shocking -- and if uttered from Obama's mouth would dominate the news coverage and the Sunday shows, as pundits would speculate about the massive damage the statement would cause him among retirees in Florida.
2. McCain's top economic policy adviser calls Americans a bunch of "whiners" for being worried about the slumping economy. Words cannot fully explain how devastating this statement should be from Phil Gramm. You would think it would be enough to sink McCain's campaign. Of course McCain only thinks that the economic problems are psychological.
3. Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop. The Iraqis now want us to begin planning our withdrawal -- McCain however wants to stay foooorrreeevvveerrrr. So what does McCain say -- First, he refuses to accept Maliki's statement as being true. Then he concedes that it was an accurate statement, but was probably just a political ploy to curry favor with his own people and WOULD NOT influence his determination to keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely. Yet, McCain in 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we would have to go. No matter what. But that was apparently a younger and less experienced John McCain.
But let's just look at his comment that Maliki's statement is "just politics." If that is true, then it must also be true that the American military presence in Iraq is so unpopular with Iraqis that the government is forced to push for a timetable in order to survive at the ballot box. That's a reason to stay for 100 years.
4. McCain's economic plan to cut the deficit has no details and is simply not believable. There are so many things here. McCain pledges he would eliminate the deficit by the end of his first term (the campaign latter flip flop flipped about whether it was four years or eight years), but does not provide any details about how he would do it. Economists on both sides of the political aisle said that this was simply not believable, especially given McCain's other proposals to a) cut individual and corporate taxes even further, b) extend the Bush tax cuts and c) massively increase defense spending on manpower (200,000 more troops) and d) maintain a long-term sizable military presence in Iraq.
5. McCain's deficit plan includes bringing the troops home represents a major Iraq flip-flop. Speaking of the long-term military presence -- a story that has gotten absolutely no attention is that McCain now believes the war will be over soon. The economic forecasts made by his crack team of economists predict that there will be significant savings during McCain's first term because we will have achieved "victory" in Iraq and Afghanistan. The savings from victory (ie the savings from not having our troops there) will then be used to pay down the deficit. The only way this could have any impact on the deficit in McCain's first time is if troop withdrawals start very soon. So McCain believes victory is in our grasps and we can begin withdraw troops from Iraq pretty much right away --- doesn't sound that different from Obama's plan does it. Someone should at least ask McCain HOW HE DEFINES VICTORY -- and why he thinks we will achieve it in the next couple of years.
6. McCain campaign misled about economists support. In the major press release the McCain campaign issued to tout its Jobs for America economic plan that would balance the budget in 4 years, it included the signatures of more than 300 economists who the campaign claimed to support the plan. Only problem is that the economists were actually asked to sign up to SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Um, hello?
7. McCain makes a joke about killing Iranians. Haha... that's just McCain being McCain. I am sure that is exactly how it is being reported in Tehran. This guy is running for President not to become a talk radio pundit. Yet according to the AP this was just a humanizing moment between candidate and spouse -- I am not sure when joking about the deaths of civilians became humanizing.
8. McCain denies, flatly, that he ever said that he is not an expert in economics. Are you kidding?
9). McCain distorts his record on veterans benefits in response to a question from Vietnam Veteran, who then proceeds to call McCain out on it.
10.) McCain demonstrates he knows nothing about Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain said "I think if there is some good news, I think that there is a glimmer of improving relationship between Karzai and the Pakistanis." Pat Barry notes how crazy this comment is..."Just what "glimmer" is McCain talking about?? Maybe he's referring to President Karzai's remarks last month, which threatened military action in Pakistan if cross-border attacks persisted? Or maybe McCain is talking about Afghanistan's allegations that Pakistan's ISI was involved in a recent assassination attempt on Karzai? Maybe in McCain's world you could call that a silver-lining, but in reality-land I'd call it something else."
Any one of these incidents and comments would dominate the news cycle if they came from the Obama campaign. Yet McCain barely gets a mention. The press like to see themselves as political referees -- neutral observers that call them like they see em'. But they want this to be a horse race and so all the calls right now are going one way. How else can you explain the furor last week over the Obama "refine" comment -- which represented zero change in Obama's position on Iraq -- and the "swift boat" mania over Wesley Clark's uncontroversial comments (psss... by the way McCain exploits his POW experience in just about every ad -- yet he says he doesn't like to talk about it).
This Sunday expect the ten incidents above to get short shrift from pundit after pundit, because after all Jesse Jackson said he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off.
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Posted by: jlohman on Jul 12, 2008 4:01 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 12, 2008 5:36 AM
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It might be different if soldiers were never conscripted, financially desperate or subjected to government propaganda. Troops would be more than decimated if putting on a uniform ever became a matter of informed consent.
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Posted by: Scientz on Jul 12, 2008 5:52 AM
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I saw at 2/3rds of these on CNN before they were mentioned here, so . . . ummm . . .
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Posted by: imors on Jul 12, 2008 6:24 AM
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Posted by: dustdevil on Jul 12, 2008 6:26 AM
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That paragraph could easily be interpreted to mean that Social Security was created to use the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly.
The government has been collecting more in Social Security payments than they have paid out since 1983. The surplus, which should have been invested and held for future generations, has been stolen and used for tax breaks for the rich and unnecessary and illegal wars.
If the government needs to replace the money we paid into the fund that they stole, why not eliminate the cap on SS payments which is now at $80,000. Let those who are making billions in hedge funds and who are the recipients of the tax breaks carry some of the load. Let the filthy rich military contractors chip in. Let Bush and Cheney pay in proportion to their generous incomes. Under present law, they don't pay any more than the average citizen.
I'll bet a lot of Ronald Reagon worshippers don't know that it was Reagon who signed the law to tax SS payments to retirees who have additional income.
The real "absolute disgrace" is the Republicans' absolute disregard for people who are not wealthy.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Jul 12, 2008 6:45 AM
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Probably the most publicized "gaffe" here was by Phil Gramm, not McCain, and Obama responded to McCain's rather artful joking (in this one case) by pointing out correctly that Gramm's statements reflect mainstream Republican attitudes about the economic downturn.
Has Obama responded to all these other gaffes? Even the ones made by McCain himself rather than a surrogate? Hardly.
I'm always a little frustrated by articles like these that exalt the role of the "media" beyond what news reporters' actual job is. Of course, they're always written by people in the news business who have an inflated sense of their profession's importance.
Obama and his side heard every one of these stories - nothing's stopping them from bringing them up again, and quickly. But too often, they don't respond much.
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Posted by: observing on Jul 12, 2008 7:24 AM
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Also, McCain, concluding his four years at the Naval Academy,he graduated 894th in a class of 899. He wasn't the dumbest guy in the class, but damn nearly so. By all rights, he should not have been able to get elected to the Senate or any other rominent position based on his performance.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 12, 2008 8:00 AM
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What drives me nuts is the fact that young people still believe this nonsense is what it pretends to be - an electoral process. How in the hell have you all become so ignorant of history, so deaf to your parents and grandparents that you believe this soap opera script is real? We hear continually about how incredibly stupid U.S. citizens are, but nothing shouts the fact so thunderously as remarks like this essay and comments concerning it here.
You will respond to the relentless media hyping of this tawdry fraud by going to vote, then sit back to watch what has been happening relentlessly for fifty years continue. Eventually - provided that destruction of the ecosystem or the like (things being done while these politicians milk their positions for everything they can get) the like doesn't intervene to bring EVERYTHING to a halt - all of your lives and that of your children and grandchildren will have been sacrificed to the next war and to the military industrial complex.
My god, people - how blind and stupid can you get?
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Posted by: buddyedgewood on Jul 12, 2008 9:00 AM
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After reading the first point in this article, I then listened to what McInsane said about the SS program. In the short clip, he was responding to a woman who asked how he was going to fix the Social Security mess. The clip is shortened so McInsane doesn't get to the part about actually fixing SS. Instead, the clip is less than 1 minute in length and contains the question from the woman and then McNoodle's opening statement of the current state of SS. Unless you have lived under a rock for the last 20 years, you know that the current state of SS is indeed "disgraceful" - thanks to Mr. Reagan, Mr. Bush Sr, Mr. Clinton and now Mr. Bush Jr.!
Contrary to what Max Bergmann explicitly implies, McInsane was not calling the idea behind or the method by which SS is funded a disgrace. McPTSD was merely pointing out that the SS program is currently in a disgraceful state.
I couldn't bring myself to read the rest of the article, because if the author has to spin the first point to fit his own views, no doubt he spun the rest as well.
I don't want McInsane as President either, but I'm not willing to forsake my integrity and stoop to Faux News level to prevent it.
The author should be ashamed of himself. Unless of course he’s trying to sell his soul to the devil to secure a job with Rupert Murdoch.
Note to Arianna Huffington: shit-can Max "Headroom" Bergmann, before word spreads that he's a double agent working with the enemy of truth.
Some may say that I'm being too hard on Mr. Bergmann. That may be, but I for one believe that Alternet contributors should be held to higher standards, otherwise this site may as well be a NewsMax.com mirror.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 12, 2008 10:58 AM
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During his six-week stay in the hospital and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with his captors. He made radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries, including a Cuban intelligence officer. He was also interviewed by two high-ranking NVA generals―one of them Vietnam’s great national hero, Vo Nguyen Giap.
Because of the broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him “Songbird.”
True or not about the specific details of his confessions, McCain admitted in his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers [page 198 of the hardcopy edition] that he revealed “information about my ship and squadron."
To mitigate the seriousness of the confessions, McCain claimed in his book to have named members of the Green Bay Packers football team as pilots in his squadron. Last week, however, while campaigning in Pennsylvania, he said the "pilots" had been on the Pittsburgh Steelers team.
There are only two possibilities for the gaffe.
First, McCain never mentioned NFL players to the North Vietnamese -- i.e. he lied about his POW experience.
Second, he is getting senile.
Either way, Songbird McCain should not become our next commander-in-chief.
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Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jul 12, 2008 12:12 PM
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Would the GOP act like such clown shoes with their shitty grade-school tactics if they knew that they actually had some sort of moral high ground?
And I'm not championing the Democrats. There are to blame for a lot- like being spineless in fighting the GOP's shitty tactics. It's all for party, none for country, with both of them.
In my eyes, the Dems aren't progressive enough, but considering what they walk into every time, it could be worse. The only reason I vote Dem is not that they give me someone to vote FOR, but that the Rethugs never fail to provide me with something (or someone) to vote against: Bush 1, BOB DOLE! BOB DOLE! BOB DOLE!, Shrub 43, and Grampy McSame. I'd vote for a more progressive third party if I thought they had a chance to get anywhere, but in this lock-step goose-boogie two-party shit-fest, the only solution is to pull the level while holding one's nose for the least PUKE-INDUCING prospect. And the Rethugs have yet to provide that.
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Posted by: ianfan on Jul 12, 2008 1:18 PM
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Look, we don't have to make something out of nothing to find this guy isn't right for the country.
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Posted by: TruthBeTold on Jul 12, 2008 5:09 PM
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McCain was asked whether his links to the Project for a New American Century explains why he is against a new investigation of 9/11?
McCain replied (paraphrasing): ".... that it was Joe Lieberman and I that sponsored the legislation for the 9/11 Commission. "...the administration was not enthusiastic about the establishment of that commission. I am proud of what the 9/11 Commission did; proud that we have enacted many of the reforms that they recommended; will stand by their recommendations and their conclusions, as will the overwhelming majority of Americans."
"It's a free country," McCain concluded. "You are free to disagree with their conclusions. But I am proud to have been one of those who was, along with Joe Lieberman, responsible for the establishment of the 9/11 Commission."
THE QUESTION WAS: if his links to the Project for a New American Century explains why he is against a new investigation of 9/11?
Also, the 911 commission was hardley his ideal.
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Posted by: TruthBeTold on Jul 12, 2008 5:31 PM
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His answer as a that "he supported by all of the veterans organizations".
For the record McCain Voted AGAINST:
- amendment providing $20 billion to the VA's medical facilities (5/4/06)
- providing $430 million to the VA for outpatient care and treatment for veterans (4/26/06)
- increasing VA funding by $1.5 billion by closing corporate loopholes (3/14/06)
- increasing VA funding by $1.8 billion by ending abusive tax loopholes (3/10/04)
Also, for the record McCain did not support the new 21st Century GI Bill and could not be bothered to even show up for the vote. He has consistently voted against increasing funding for the Veterans' Admin. and medical care for veterans. Support the troops means spending this time in California on a campaign and fund-raising trip. Bet then he is the war hero.
Now, can someone please explain to me how the people in the audience can just sit there like stumps when crap like this comes out of McCain's mouth. As I said earlier, either McCain has a hearing problem and can't really hear the questions asked OR he knows that many in the audience are clueless and simply not smart enough to even get a clue.
I would be ashamed if my face appeared on camera listening to this guy.
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Posted by: taisamarie on Jul 13, 2008 1:35 AM
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Seems like a very strange coincidence, don't you think?
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Posted by: DeaconJ on Jul 13, 2008 10:06 AM
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Now the current selected president and two potential prez's. are going to be running around naked in the woods in a gathering of the elite. TY Obama for selling us out, your wife being a member of the CFR should have given it away much earlier.
Link to Article:
Bush, McCain & Obama To Visit Bohemian Grove?
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Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jul 13, 2008 1:45 PM
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-H.L. Mencken
This is a classic case of the reverse in action.
Obama had better dumb-down his message for the Cheetos & Nascar set, or he will lose. It would be nice if the American public were well-informed and less gullible, but the fact is that they are not. And that's exactly the way the Machine wants them to be.
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Posted by: Garvagh on Jul 13, 2008 4:05 PM
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McCain has his "perceptions" the way Bush had, and has, his "gut feelings", and neither man seems to be willing to spend the time to gain a thorough understanding of the strategic realities that obtain in the Middle East.
The behavior of much of the American press is beneath contempt, because their duty is to expose to the public the fact another poseur is seeking the White House when he lacks altogether the necessary qualifications for the job.
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Posted by: mnstra on Jul 13, 2008 6:01 PM
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MC Cain is toast, after that comment about SS. No kidding.I just cant conceive of how he would cut his own throat with calling SS a disgrace. He is the disgrace and has no chance of winning the election.
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 13, 2008 9:17 PM
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But also I can't believe things like "Swiftboating" work....that people don't really think through what policies in realitiy work and which do not (such as trickle down). Well maybe now that the emperor has no clothes and so many are broke....will they make the connection and realize that McCain really is as clueless as he admits...and that his top advisor sort of sums up the entire Repub. philosophy (i.e. - it's always "your fault" if you're not doing well). Easy to say when the game is rigged.
Protest voters: Please reconsider - if we do not band together then we will have nothing. We have already seen what selfish and destructive individualism have done to this country. We can band together and we can do the best we can - and no, the candidate may not be the one you wanted but he is a Democrat and that is the only thing that should matter. Our nominee deserves all of our support - and if we cannot muster the togetherness to do this, then we truly have lost this country to the thugs....and probably for good this time. You can say goodbye to upward mobility, to agencies protecting consumers (as we already have)...to infrastructure....social security...fairness...progressiveness...this is our last chance to my mind to undo the destruction of the last decades.
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Posted by: frank69 on Jul 19, 2008 4:47 PM
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Any working person who votes Republican is an absolute asshole.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 12, 2008 5:36 AM
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It might be different if soldiers were never conscripted, financially desperate or subjected to government propaganda. Troops would be more than decimated if putting on a uniform ever became a matter of informed consent.
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Posted by: Scientz on Jul 12, 2008 5:52 AM
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I saw at 2/3rds of these on CNN before they were mentioned here, so . . . ummm . . .
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Posted by: imors on Jul 12, 2008 6:24 AM
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Watch and see.
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Posted by: dustdevil on Jul 12, 2008 6:26 AM
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That paragraph could easily be interpreted to mean that Social Security was created to use the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly.
The government has been collecting more in Social Security payments than they have paid out since 1983. The surplus, which should have been invested and held for future generations, has been stolen and used for tax breaks for the rich and unnecessary and illegal wars.
If the government needs to replace the money we paid into the fund that they stole, why not eliminate the cap on SS payments which is now at $80,000. Let those who are making billions in hedge funds and who are the recipients of the tax breaks carry some of the load. Let the filthy rich military contractors chip in. Let Bush and Cheney pay in proportion to their generous incomes. Under present law, they don't pay any more than the average citizen.
I'll bet a lot of Ronald Reagon worshippers don't know that it was Reagon who signed the law to tax SS payments to retirees who have additional income.
The real "absolute disgrace" is the Republicans' absolute disregard for people who are not wealthy.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Jul 12, 2008 6:45 AM
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Probably the most publicized "gaffe" here was by Phil Gramm, not McCain, and Obama responded to McCain's rather artful joking (in this one case) by pointing out correctly that Gramm's statements reflect mainstream Republican attitudes about the economic downturn.
Has Obama responded to all these other gaffes? Even the ones made by McCain himself rather than a surrogate? Hardly.
I'm always a little frustrated by articles like these that exalt the role of the "media" beyond what news reporters' actual job is. Of course, they're always written by people in the news business who have an inflated sense of their profession's importance.
Obama and his side heard every one of these stories - nothing's stopping them from bringing them up again, and quickly. But too often, they don't respond much.
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Posted by: observing on Jul 12, 2008 7:24 AM
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Also, McCain, concluding his four years at the Naval Academy,he graduated 894th in a class of 899. He wasn't the dumbest guy in the class, but damn nearly so. By all rights, he should not have been able to get elected to the Senate or any other rominent position based on his performance.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 12, 2008 8:00 AM
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What drives me nuts is the fact that young people still believe this nonsense is what it pretends to be - an electoral process. How in the hell have you all become so ignorant of history, so deaf to your parents and grandparents that you believe this soap opera script is real? We hear continually about how incredibly stupid U.S. citizens are, but nothing shouts the fact so thunderously as remarks like this essay and comments concerning it here.
You will respond to the relentless media hyping of this tawdry fraud by going to vote, then sit back to watch what has been happening relentlessly for fifty years continue. Eventually - provided that destruction of the ecosystem or the like (things being done while these politicians milk their positions for everything they can get) the like doesn't intervene to bring EVERYTHING to a halt - all of your lives and that of your children and grandchildren will have been sacrificed to the next war and to the military industrial complex.
My god, people - how blind and stupid can you get?
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Posted by: buddyedgewood on Jul 12, 2008 9:00 AM
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After reading the first point in this article, I then listened to what McInsane said about the SS program. In the short clip, he was responding to a woman who asked how he was going to fix the Social Security mess. The clip is shortened so McInsane doesn't get to the part about actually fixing SS. Instead, the clip is less than 1 minute in length and contains the question from the woman and then McNoodle's opening statement of the current state of SS. Unless you have lived under a rock for the last 20 years, you know that the current state of SS is indeed "disgraceful" - thanks to Mr. Reagan, Mr. Bush Sr, Mr. Clinton and now Mr. Bush Jr.!
Contrary to what Max Bergmann explicitly implies, McInsane was not calling the idea behind or the method by which SS is funded a disgrace. McPTSD was merely pointing out that the SS program is currently in a disgraceful state.
I couldn't bring myself to read the rest of the article, because if the author has to spin the first point to fit his own views, no doubt he spun the rest as well.
I don't want McInsane as President either, but I'm not willing to forsake my integrity and stoop to Faux News level to prevent it.
The author should be ashamed of himself. Unless of course he’s trying to sell his soul to the devil to secure a job with Rupert Murdoch.
Note to Arianna Huffington: shit-can Max "Headroom" Bergmann, before word spreads that he's a double agent working with the enemy of truth.
Some may say that I'm being too hard on Mr. Bergmann. That may be, but I for one believe that Alternet contributors should be held to higher standards, otherwise this site may as well be a NewsMax.com mirror.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 12, 2008 10:58 AM
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During his six-week stay in the hospital and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with his captors. He made radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries, including a Cuban intelligence officer. He was also interviewed by two high-ranking NVA generals―one of them Vietnam’s great national hero, Vo Nguyen Giap.
Because of the broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him “Songbird.”
True or not about the specific details of his confessions, McCain admitted in his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers [page 198 of the hardcopy edition] that he revealed “information about my ship and squadron."
To mitigate the seriousness of the confessions, McCain claimed in his book to have named members of the Green Bay Packers football team as pilots in his squadron. Last week, however, while campaigning in Pennsylvania, he said the "pilots" had been on the Pittsburgh Steelers team.
There are only two possibilities for the gaffe.
First, McCain never mentioned NFL players to the North Vietnamese -- i.e. he lied about his POW experience.
Second, he is getting senile.
Either way, Songbird McCain should not become our next commander-in-chief.
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Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jul 12, 2008 12:12 PM
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Would the GOP act like such clown shoes with their shitty grade-school tactics if they knew that they actually had some sort of moral high ground?
And I'm not championing the Democrats. There are to blame for a lot- like being spineless in fighting the GOP's shitty tactics. It's all for party, none for country, with both of them.
In my eyes, the Dems aren't progressive enough, but considering what they walk into every time, it could be worse. The only reason I vote Dem is not that they give me someone to vote FOR, but that the Rethugs never fail to provide me with something (or someone) to vote against: Bush 1, BOB DOLE! BOB DOLE! BOB DOLE!, Shrub 43, and Grampy McSame. I'd vote for a more progressive third party if I thought they had a chance to get anywhere, but in this lock-step goose-boogie two-party shit-fest, the only solution is to pull the level while holding one's nose for the least PUKE-INDUCING prospect. And the Rethugs have yet to provide that.
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Look, we don't have to make something out of nothing to find this guy isn't right for the country.
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Posted by: TruthBeTold on Jul 12, 2008 5:09 PM
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McCain was asked whether his links to the Project for a New American Century explains why he is against a new investigation of 9/11?
McCain replied (paraphrasing): ".... that it was Joe Lieberman and I that sponsored the legislation for the 9/11 Commission. "...the administration was not enthusiastic about the establishment of that commission. I am proud of what the 9/11 Commission did; proud that we have enacted many of the reforms that they recommended; will stand by their recommendations and their conclusions, as will the overwhelming majority of Americans."
"It's a free country," McCain concluded. "You are free to disagree with their conclusions. But I am proud to have been one of those who was, along with Joe Lieberman, responsible for the establishment of the 9/11 Commission."
THE QUESTION WAS: if his links to the Project for a New American Century explains why he is against a new investigation of 9/11?
Also, the 911 commission was hardley his ideal.
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Posted by: TruthBeTold on Jul 12, 2008 5:31 PM
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His answer as a that "he supported by all of the veterans organizations".
For the record McCain Voted AGAINST:
- amendment providing $20 billion to the VA's medical facilities (5/4/06)
- providing $430 million to the VA for outpatient care and treatment for veterans (4/26/06)
- increasing VA funding by $1.5 billion by closing corporate loopholes (3/14/06)
- increasing VA funding by $1.8 billion by ending abusive tax loopholes (3/10/04)
Also, for the record McCain did not support the new 21st Century GI Bill and could not be bothered to even show up for the vote. He has consistently voted against increasing funding for the Veterans' Admin. and medical care for veterans. Support the troops means spending this time in California on a campaign and fund-raising trip. Bet then he is the war hero.
Now, can someone please explain to me how the people in the audience can just sit there like stumps when crap like this comes out of McCain's mouth. As I said earlier, either McCain has a hearing problem and can't really hear the questions asked OR he knows that many in the audience are clueless and simply not smart enough to even get a clue.
I would be ashamed if my face appeared on camera listening to this guy.
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Posted by: taisamarie on Jul 13, 2008 1:35 AM
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Seems like a very strange coincidence, don't you think?
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Posted by: DeaconJ on Jul 13, 2008 10:06 AM
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Now the current selected president and two potential prez's. are going to be running around naked in the woods in a gathering of the elite. TY Obama for selling us out, your wife being a member of the CFR should have given it away much earlier.
Link to Article:
Bush, McCain & Obama To Visit Bohemian Grove?
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Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jul 13, 2008 1:45 PM
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-H.L. Mencken
This is a classic case of the reverse in action.
Obama had better dumb-down his message for the Cheetos & Nascar set, or he will lose. It would be nice if the American public were well-informed and less gullible, but the fact is that they are not. And that's exactly the way the Machine wants them to be.
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Posted by: Garvagh on Jul 13, 2008 4:05 PM
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McCain has his "perceptions" the way Bush had, and has, his "gut feelings", and neither man seems to be willing to spend the time to gain a thorough understanding of the strategic realities that obtain in the Middle East.
The behavior of much of the American press is beneath contempt, because their duty is to expose to the public the fact another poseur is seeking the White House when he lacks altogether the necessary qualifications for the job.
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Posted by: mnstra on Jul 13, 2008 6:01 PM
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MC Cain is toast, after that comment about SS. No kidding.I just cant conceive of how he would cut his own throat with calling SS a disgrace. He is the disgrace and has no chance of winning the election.
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 13, 2008 9:17 PM
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But also I can't believe things like "Swiftboating" work....that people don't really think through what policies in realitiy work and which do not (such as trickle down). Well maybe now that the emperor has no clothes and so many are broke....will they make the connection and realize that McCain really is as clueless as he admits...and that his top advisor sort of sums up the entire Repub. philosophy (i.e. - it's always "your fault" if you're not doing well). Easy to say when the game is rigged.
Protest voters: Please reconsider - if we do not band together then we will have nothing. We have already seen what selfish and destructive individualism have done to this country. We can band together and we can do the best we can - and no, the candidate may not be the one you wanted but he is a Democrat and that is the only thing that should matter. Our nominee deserves all of our support - and if we cannot muster the togetherness to do this, then we truly have lost this country to the thugs....and probably for good this time. You can say goodbye to upward mobility, to agencies protecting consumers (as we already have)...to infrastructure....social security...fairness...progressiveness...this is our last chance to my mind to undo the destruction of the last decades.
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Posted by: frank69 on Jul 19, 2008 4:47 PM
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Any working person who votes Republican is an absolute asshole.
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