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Election 2008

Obama Retreats from Key Progressive Issues

By John Nichols and Roberto Lovato, TheNation.com and Of America. Posted July 10, 2008.


Obama votes like a Republican on FISA and backs off from Iraq, keeping corporate America happy.
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Obama Votes to Silence Debate and Pass FISA

By John Nichols, TheNation.com

Arizona Sen. John McCain did not bother to show up for Wednesday's Senate votes on whether to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to absolve George Bush of responsibility for initiating an illegal warrantless wiretapping program and to provide retroactive immunity to the telecommunications corporations that violated the privacy of their customers in order to collaborate with a lawless president.

But that's OK, because Illinois Sen. Barack Obama cast the votes that McCain would have.

In addition to joining the majority in a 69-28 Senate vote to pass legislation that the American Civil Liberties Union describes as "a Constitutional nightmare," Obama voted to silence debate on the FISA bill.

While most Senate Democrats -- including New York Sen. Hillary Clinton -- opposed the FISA rewrite and voted to keep the debate open, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president sided with the Republicans in saying that the essential Constitutional questions raised by this legislation did not merit extended or thoughtful debate.

The cloture vote split 72 in favor of shutting down debate to 26 for keeping it open. Two senators -- McCain and ailing Massachusetts Democrat Edward Kennedy -- missed Wednesday's session.

The "no" votes on cloture were cast by Vermont Independent Bernie Sanders and 25 Democrats, including Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin, Obama's Democratic colleague from Illinois, and Clinton, Obama's primary competitor for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Leading the fight to keep the debate about the FISA rewrite open were Connecticut Democrat Chris Dodd and Wisconsin Democrat Russ Feingold, the two senators whom Obama promised earlier this year to work with in an effort to block this assault on the Constitution and corporate responsibility.

Said Feingold, "I sit on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees, and I am one of the few members of this body who has been fully briefed on the warrantless wiretapping program. And, based on what I know, I can promise that if more information is declassified about the program in the future, as is likely to happen either due to the inspector general report, the election of a new president or simply the passage of time, members of this body will regret that we passed this legislation. I am also familiar with the collection activities that have been conducted under the Protect America Act and will continue under this bill. I invite any of my colleagues who wish to know more about those activities to come speak to me in a classified setting. Publicly, all I can say is that I have serious concerns about how those activities may have impacted the civil liberties of Americans. If we grant these new powers to the government and the effects become known to the American people, we will realize what a mistake it was, of that I am sure."

Unfortunately, while Obama once promised to work with Feingold, he wasn't listening on Wednesday when the Wisconsin senator explained to his colleagues that granting retroactive immunity to the telecommunications corporations would effectively block the ability of Congress and the courts to address not just massive corporate wrongdoing but attacks on the privacy rights of Americans.

"If Congress short-circuits these lawsuits, we will have lost a prime opportunity to finally achieve accountability for these years of law-breaking," said Feingold. "That's why the administration has been fighting so hard for this immunity. It knows that the cases that have been brought directly against the government face much more difficult procedural barriers and are unlikely to result in rulings on the merits."

Feingold was speaking the truth about a moment in which the ACLU said the Senate was on the verge of passing "an unconstitutional domestic spying bill that violates the Fourth Amendment and eliminates any meaningful role for judicial oversight of government surveillance."


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Too bad...
Posted by: kwalla on Jul 10, 2008 12:18 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
there's no one running for President who truly supports progressive causes.

Oh wait: who's this guy?




https://www.votenader.org/forms/contribute/

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» RE: Too bad... Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Screw Obama Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» That guy is an egomaniac! Posted by: antiapathy
» Could you please elaborate Posted by: WhuThe?!?
Don't Panic
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 10, 2008 12:30 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So manyn people on the left are trying to redefine Barack as a closet facist. Don't panic. What the Senator is doing is the oldest trick in the book. It's also smart electoral politics. For more on this subject, read what I wrote the other day on my blog. Here's a link:

Buyer's Remorse?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» The Real Link Posted by: Tom Degan
» rfrancis: Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: rfrancis: Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: rfrancis: Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: He wouldn't win either Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» rfrancis Posted by: bobtr900
» RE: rfrancis: Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: beautifulady2003
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: yellow
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: sabrina
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: You need to be more skeptical and cynical Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» nochicaboboys, Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: I am denigrating faith Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: I am denigrating faith Posted by: sicntired
» RE: We need to take a breath here Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: We need to take a breath here Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: pomes
» RE: Don't Panic Posted by: Southern Gal
» Southern Gal Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Southern Gal Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Southern Gal Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Southern Gal Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Southern Gal Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Southern Gal Posted by: sicntired
Egg Suckin' Dog ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 10, 2008 12:34 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I was going to hold my nose and vote for this guy ... No More ...

I'm voting Green cause Nader is a fly by night gone in the morning political carpet bagger himself ...

It's time for a NEW PARTY ... VOTE GREEN !

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» RE: gg Suckin' Dog ... Posted by: edgeofnowhere
» RE: gg Suckin' Dog ... Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: gg Suckin' Dog ... Posted by: Sissy
» RE: gg Suckin' Dog ... Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: gg Suckin' Dog ... Posted by: sicntired
LOL
Posted by: gellero1 on Jul 10, 2008 12:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Told Ya So..............!!!!

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» RE: LOL Posted by: sicntired
Any Senator that voted YEA has violated their Oath of Office...Barack the Panderer,too
Posted by: Turiye on Jul 10, 2008 2:29 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Fired my Congressguy last week, Senator 2 days ago, if by not upholding the Constitution they have now become derelict in their Duty, tell me I cannot do this? I tell you removing the Fourth Amendment of THE BILL OF RIGHTS is an egregious, blatant violation of their Oath. I chose Dennis Kucinich to be my Representative, he is the only, one of 10, but the absolute one that is ethical, honest, does not fear the wrath of this criminal Congress and always has replied to any request, including meetings for me.
This is of no consequence any longer, I've been arranging flights and hotels all night to find my new country. The Man called Barack Obama can have my Passport I have no need for it any longer.

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They're baaaaaaack!
Posted by: talkville on Jul 10, 2008 2:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Old ride, new ride; same drivers are back and same road chosen.

Vote carefully, friends, this November; much is at stake. Look things over real carefully, the choice couldn't be more momentous: Tyranny or Despotism.

A bit of botox, cosmetics and all those new techniques of plastic-surgery available these days, and it looks like a 'new' 'more presentable' and 'prettier' Pig will be ready for view. Same one as before.

They'll get to keep the booty, stay foot-loose and fancy free and even famous and admired, and they'll get to set up, plan and manage the Next Big Ride for the coming generations, when a repeat will seem so new and all our current debacles forgotten, revised and adapted to once again obfuscate, lie, cheat and steal. The rotting, decaying core, it seems, has a half-life of more duration than may have been anticipated.

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Here Are Lists Of Our Congressional Traitors
Posted by: TarryFaster on Jul 10, 2008 3:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In a five hour fit of anger and frustration, I dug up the names and contact information on the "Democratic" House & Senator traitors who voted to approve the latest version of the "Compromise FISA bill" -- which destroys our Fourth Amendment.  I put the two lists up on the Net as websites and will now go about "promoting" them.  Ideally, with your help, we could bring these sites to the attention of enough people to develop a viral network that could then gain critical mass among voters to remove these traitors.

Here are the sites: 

For House "Representatives": http://www.cloudbyte.com/traitors.html
For "Senators": http://www.cloudbyte.com/senatetraitors.html

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» Check This OUt ! NWO Quotations Posted by: Persephone8
pick a better target than Obama--the power of corporations, not forgetting the corporate media
Posted by: Suzon on Jul 10, 2008 3:35 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Remember Stanley Milgram's contribution to the world? He concluded that it's not the individual's values that determine how they will act, but the situation that they find themselves in. Anybody doubt that Obama is being leaned on by powerful advisors?

Who will be president is important this time around for two reasons: first, the usual one, the Supreme Court; second, McCain's mental (and moral) instability. At least Ombama can think.

Forget "betrayal" and concentrate on the corporate powers that have usurped the constitution and dominate public discussion.

Our real problem is not with a liberal guy named Obama but with the kind of situation he's in.

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» agreed Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: agreed Posted by: Lauren
» Zbigniew Brzezinski Posted by: pomes
Don't Panic (I wentoff half-cocked!)
Posted by: celeborn on Jul 10, 2008 3:42 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Oops, sorry I acted like an idiot and didn't do my homework! (thanks to you, Tom Degan!). Now I have my faith in Obama restored. Hope everybody who felt betrayed reads this: http://utdocuments.blogspot.com/2008/07/
obamas-new-statement-on-fisa.html (you may have to copy and paste the whole URL). Barack is smart; like you said, he knows how to play the field and make the Cor-pirates think they're winning.

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» did you read that link? Posted by: antiapathy
» He knows how to play you Posted by: form5166
Alternet, correct yourself!
Posted by: celeborn on Jul 10, 2008 3:45 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hey Guys and Gals, please correct the awful disservice you did to all of us by your erroneous headline; Obama knew what he was doing: http://utdocuments.blogspot.com/2008/07/
obamas-new-statement-on-fisa.html
You shot yourselves in the feet this time.

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» RE: Alternet, correct yourself! Posted by: StillStanding
Obama spin patrol is active today
Posted by: StillStanding on Jul 10, 2008 4:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I see the Obama spin patrol is active this morning, as if their obfuscations and apologetics could possibly excuse the Senator's treasonous betrayal of the base.

Well, chatter on Obamatons, but there's no hiding Obama's treachery. The FISA bill was no small thing and Obama's lame excuses for his vote make him all the more repellent.

The one good thing I can say is that I can now completely tune out the election noise. I would never vote for either Obama or McCain, so I can skip the debates, skip all the hoopla, and cast my vote for Nader in November.

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» RE: Obama spin patrol is active today Posted by: StillStanding
» Repug spin patrol is active today Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Repug spin patrol is active today Posted by: StillStanding
He's Not A Progressive-He's A DLC Sellout
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 10, 2008 5:15 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This election already has one fact-challenged, pandering Republican in the race. We don't need another. Obama isn't running to the middle- he never was on the left. Nader is looking better and better as I cannot vote for a Republican and that is what Obama is.

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Obamarama4
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Jul 10, 2008 5:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There was absolutely no reason to break from Sens. Feingold and Durbin on the FISA vote, except continued fealty to Bush and his co-felons. Even Hillary got it right, but not this clown prince and I iterate my Obamarama criticism now #4. It is time for Dipocrits to boycott the nomination process and in its stead nominate Kucinich by acclamation. He is the only person qualified to be President and the last hope any of us have to restore law, order and dignity to federal governance. I have no interest in penning Obamarama5 and I'll be damned if I will tolerate his extension of Bushshit while he panders to every despicable element in our society. If its all about getting elected and THEN we'll see the REAL OBAMA, I say bullshit...what you see is what you get and he ain't much!

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» RE: Obamarama4 Posted by: edith
» RE: Obamarama4 Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Obamarama4 Posted by: EMB
» It's a big political charade, so Posted by: Last Chance
» Acclamation Posted by: Col. Jackleg
» RE: Obamarama4 Posted by: sicntired
Zimbabwe
Posted by: edith on Jul 10, 2008 5:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Once Mugabe negated the results of a democratic election that he lost and ordered a phony seocnd round, the opposition simply opted out(beatings by Mugabe's thugs reinforced the decision as well as the obvious fraud that would be applied to the results.)

We are not quite down the road to socialist happiness enjoyed by Zimbabwe's suffering folk. But the trip has begun and the brakes have failed. As our dollar slides, our media mouths one cliche after another, the Change Guy reveals he's the classic do-anything to succeed grade grubber--type. Those of us who know what Harvard Law School usually produces are hardly surprised.

Wall St, a few defense contractors and the political consultants/lobbyists tell the candidates like McCain and Obama what is possible. A little independence is occasionally tolerated, to provide the illusion of a candidate with "new" ideas. Big Business=Big Govt=Big Bucks is how it works. Jefferson was right about big government.

But really, this Obama fellow becoming GOP Lite is so predictable. The Clintons did it years ago. Richard Nixon was Democrat Lite. (Oh yes, he was,knee--jerk Nixon-haters). And Ronald Reagan amiably tolerated significant growth in the overall growth of Big Fat Government,not only in the defense sector either.

Ron Paul was the only candidate who was a truly radical figure. Barr may be a shadow of Paul, but for those of you who believe little or no govt is better than the present mess, he may be an option.

Otherwise, don't vote. Let's get the percentage of registered voters who actually vote to under 50%. That will make a more signigficant splash than the election of the first "African American", who predictably in our Orwellian system, is not an African American but a white American with an African biological father he did not know.

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» RE: Zimbabwe Posted by: StillStanding
» Operation: Smoke and Mirrors has failed. Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» Look.... Posted by: foreverhope
» See.... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: See.... Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: See.... Posted by: Lauren
» RE: See.... Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: See.... Posted by: Lauren
» RE: See.... Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: See.... Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Russ Feingold Posted by: Sissy
Middle of WHOSE road?
Posted by: Julian on Jul 10, 2008 6:16 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama is presented as moving to the centre. Centre of what? Middle of whose road? Junking the constitution rapidly is one extreme. McCain's. Junking it slowly is another. Obama's. Where does DEFENDING the constitution fit? Indeed where does IMPROVING it, making it democratic, fit? Nowhere, obviously, on any road which Obama and the rest of the more venal politicians wish to travel. Other "extremes" on the road with which lemmings are comfortable: Continuing the war crime of aggression for 16 months or continuing it for a century? Torturing prisoners or not doing so? (The middle of that road used to be rendering them to debased countries for torture, now it's doing it in-house, with debate confined to what kind of torture is OK). Justice or injustice? (The middle of that road is, by definition, injustice). Conditional support for racist Israel (McCain's brand of injustice) or outright grovelling (Obama's brand of injustice). And so the list of corporate-contrived dichotomies continues.
Well there's another road not on the DLC’s map but which growing numbers out in the real world are finding attractive - anti-Americanism. This used to be a political lead balloon. Now, it sells, and will sell more readily as people see that an Obama presidency would continue all the crimes of the Bush presidency - crimes which were not committed during the Roosevelt or Kennedy presidency and not as blatantly even in the Eisenhower presidency. American power and influence have been squandered and as it fades the international law of the jungle will do America no more favours than are done for any other wounded predator. Ron Paul could see that. Cynthia McKinney could see that. Ralph Nader could see that. Denis Kucinich could see that. The decent, principled journalist Helen Thomas can see it and is saying so, loud and clear and not only at home. When will the parochial navel-gazers twig to it? A good start would be to insist that Obama spell out precisely how what he would do as president would differ from what Bush does now, how he would show himself to be definitely Bush-opposite, not Bush-lite.

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» Nice wall of text Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: Nice wall of text Posted by: Julian
» RE: Nice wall of text Posted by: Lauren
» Nice wall of text Posted by: Prairie Waif
Wake Up, Obama Fans
Posted by: patsy6 on Jul 10, 2008 6:47 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
To those of you who thought Barack Obama is a progressive, I say START PAYING ATTENTION! Some of us knew when he took office in January 2005 that he is a centrist. I will grit my teeth and vote for him, because he's certainly better than McCain, but please read David Sirota's 2005 article entitled What's Happened to Barack Obama and learn the truth. You'll have to search for it, as Alternet won't let me publish the URL due to its length.

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» RE: Wake Up, Obama Fans Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Wake Up, Obama Fans Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Wake Up, Obama Fans Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Wake Up, Obama Fans Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Wake Up, Obama Fans Posted by: sicntired
Not progressive or liberal? I disagree and here's why
Posted by: foreverhope on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
On January 31, the National Journal released its "2007 Vote Ratings," which ranked Sen. Barack Obama "the most liberal senator in 2007."

Among the "liberal" positions Obama took to earn the distinction were his votes to implement the bipartisan 9-11 Commission's homeland security recommendations, provide more children with health insurance, permit federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, and maintain a federal minimum wage. Obama voted to ban cluster bombs.

Obama supported most measures aimed at withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq. He supported comprehensive immigration legislation including a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. He has voted to support most Democratic positions on health care, education, energy, and the budget, and he voted against most Republican positions on those topics.

On foreign policy Obama's liberal score of 92 and conservative score of 7 indicate that he was more liberal in that issue area than 92 percent of the senators and more conservative than 7 percent.

In 2007, Obama's composite liberal score of 95.5 was the highest in the Senate.

McCain did not vote frequently enough in 2007 to draw a composite score. He missed more than half of the votes in both the economic and foreign-policy categories. On social issues, which include immigration, McCain received a conservative score of 59.

Overall in NJ's 2007 ratings, Obama voted the liberal position on 65 of the 66 key votes on which he voted. Obama garnered perfect liberal scores in both the economic and social categories.

Republicans know they can make hay by showing how liberal the Democratic nominee is and that is what they are and will do. I wonder? are repug trolls attempting to portray Obama as too conservative to push him even further left and make him an even easier target for these types of attacks?

"Senator Obama's voting record, from what I have seen of it, tends to be very left-leaning," said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas. "I saw Senator Kennedy's endorsement of him as both an acknowledgement of that similar ideological view, but also -- perhaps just as significant -- that he represents the future."

NO democrat candidate, no matter who they are, is anywhere near as bad as ANY republican candidate. If you say the repugs and dems are the same you are lying or delusional or perhaps trolling for McCain or Nader or the greens. It is too bad you have lost confidence in our democratic process. Although we disagree I can understand why voters are disbelieving. However I would rather deal with the devil I know than the devil I don't know, and in this case the dems and repugs are the devils I know. Not voting at all should NOT be an option! I DO believe Obama will bring our soldiers home, end the war somehow. Until he is sworn in he is at a serious disadvantage as to the best way to extract our troops. I don't need him to be specific, JUST BRING THEM HOME! I DO believe Obama is much much MUCH better than McCain or any other republican to lead this country. I believe Nader is a protester candidate and the presidency offers a bully pulpit and that is OK but distracting as he is significantly ill equipped to lead this nation and we don't have time to screw around, our country is hemorraging, our soldiers in harm's way. Only time will show us what sort of president Barack Obama will be, no one can know. For now and through the election I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt while carefully watching him and hoping for the best.

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» RE: We the people will protect reproductive freedom Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» Does the DLC pay you to troll for Obama? Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» oh for heaven's sake Posted by: foreverhope
» Lauren Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Who defines the liberal position? Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: You Can LEGALLY Do a Write in Vote ! Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» OHHHHHHHHHH....OK....now I get it! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: OHHHHHHHHHH....OK....now I get it! Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: No, FISA had nothing to do with it..... Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Meet the new boss...
Posted by: wildbill on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 AM   
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..oh, what the hell does it matter?

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To Those of you who haven't noticed...
Posted by: droscify on Jul 10, 2008 8:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The discourse concerning elctoral politics in this country is extraordinarily tightly controlled and those who do not support a slight variation of the status quo are not given a widely heard voice.

Therefore, someone like Obama would never ever be a viable candidate were he to take positions of say, a Dennis Kucinich. We can look at this two ways. Obama is as some say, a Republican, or he's a pragmatist. I think he's a pragmatist.

Because if yo