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Election 2008

Online Activists Keep the Pressure on Obama

By Ari Melber, TheNation.com. Posted July 9, 2008.


If Obama is lucky, he will continue to benefit from these energized, sophisticated activists who support his candidacy while they press his hand.
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He responded. While most Americans settled into a relaxed Independence Day weekend, Barack Obama tried to quiet mounting criticism from supporters over his decision to back a new White House spying bill. In an unprecedented letter released on the afternoon of July 3, Obama addressed the thousands of supporters who organized a large protest on his social networking portal.

Noting that he expected to take his "lumps" and "be held accountable," Obama respectfully defended his surveillance reversal. While maintaining that immunizing companies accused of illegal spying undermines deterrence and "accountability for past abuses," Obama said he now backs legislation granting the right to give immunity (and other executive powers) because it provides a "real mechanism for accountability" via future investigations. The explanation ran 852 words--more than double the length of his original statement announcing support for the spying bill on June 20--and then campaign policy aides continued the discussion for over an hour with visitors on Obama's site (pictured at right). The unusual exchange sparked an intense debate over the weekend, as activists and bloggers questioned whether it heralded a more interactive political era, or a reminder that double talk can spread on any medium.

On Sunday night, the protest group released its official reply, collaboratively edited through a wiki and representing some of the 19,000 members. It pressed Obama to take his fight against immunity to the Senate floor this week. Since Obama's letter said he still wanted to "strike" immunity from the bill, the group urged him to take charge:

We ask that you back up your words with action by addressing your constituents on the floor of the Senate with the same oratorical power you used in Philadelphia to lay out your vision of a 'More Perfect Union.' The American people have just as much right to know of the dangerous precedent this Congress would be setting by granting retroactive immunity to [companies that spied] on law-abiding citizens as we did to relearn of segregation and Jim Crow. The arm of government oppression reaches far and wide, Senator, and we must beat it back on whatever front we find it.

The Senate begins debating the spying bill again on Tuesday. Obama arrives in Washington that day to address a Hispanic convention.

The protest group has not only become a huge force on Obama's site--it is now double the size of any other user-created group and its traffic slowed the campaign's server last week--it has also swiftly asserted itself in the broader spying debate. Organizers have been covered and quoted repeatedly in the mainstream media, including a New York Times profile of founder Mike Stark, tapping the interest in online organizing to amplify a civil liberties message. The group's wiki even includes a "proposed strategy" to "fan the flames of coverage by making the novel outreach approach a story in its own right," levering media attention to recruit more members for lobbying Congress. Over the weekend, it began spinning off local networks to target individual senators through a " fifty state strategy." Now there are Facebook groups for constituents to pressure senators McCain, Feinstein, Klobachar, Coleman and Alexander--along with a page for "Wisconsinites" to "thank" Senator Feingold for defending civil liberties. The group decided to focus on other senators after discussing how to broaden the effort beyond Obama. Over 3,500 members converse through an e-mail listserve on the campaign's social networking platform, with hundreds of messages a day. In fact, the group has begun moderating participation to limit topics and exclude certain tactics, such as attempts by activists to halt campaign fundraising in retribution for Obama's position on spying.


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Ari Melber is a regular contributor to The Nation magazine and writer for The Nation's Campaign '08 blog, and a contributing editor at the Personal Democracy Forum. He served as a Legislative Aide in the U.S. Senate and was a national staff member of the 2004 John Kerry Presidential Campaign.

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Stay the Course Obama
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 9, 2008 2:56 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The fact here is if Obama caves to this group he will have shown himself to not only be weak in terms of skills necessary to hold this office, but weak in his convictions as he can be swayed so easily.

He gave a very god speech basically saying you might not agree with all of his positions (I don't) but overall we are on the same page.

I applaud his decision re FISA. It shows character to go against his base for something he feels is right. He has shown the McCain isnt the only "Maverick" in the race.

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» RE: Stay the Course Obama Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Stay the Course Obama Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Stay the Course Obama Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Stay the Course Obama Posted by: Lauren
» Pass the meds Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Stay the Course Obama Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Stay the Course Obama Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Stay the Course Obama Posted by: StillStanding
Stay the course of listening to the people.
Posted by: Christie on Jul 9, 2008 3:45 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Of course, Barack Obama cannot please everyone. He cannot necessarily be swayed by a large and vocal group of his supporters. I can picture that he might develop a plan for withdrawal of our troops from Iraq with which many of his supporters might disagree, but that is a very complex issue. In the case of retroactive immunity for telecoms, I believe that Senator Feingold (with strong support from Senator Chris Dodd) has it right and explains his reasoning in a clear and forceful statement. Here is a link to Feingold’s statement:

The Raw Story | As FISA nears toward vote, Feingold warns against immunity
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/
As_FISA_heads_toward_vote_Feingold_0708.html

excerpt:
“Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) is sticking to his fight to convince colleagues not to retroactively eliminate any consequences for participating in President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, which was conducted outside of existing law.
"This immunity provision doesn't just allow telephone companies off the hook. It will also make it that much harder to get at the core issue that I've been raising since December 2005, which is that the president broke the law and should be held accountable," Feingold said on the Senate floor Tuesday.”

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Not even a blip
Posted by: StillStanding on Jul 9, 2008 4:34 AM   
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Thanks to his capitulation on the FISA issue, Obama is no longer even a blip on my political radar screen. He took a strong stance against this odious bill during the campaign and has now turned into just another DLC collaborator. What I find most annoying is that he now insists that he hasn't changed his position and that those of us who think he did "weren't listening very carefully."

In fact, we were listening and we have clips of his pledge to filibuster the bill if it contained the telecom immunity clause. It's also important to remember that the domestic spying and telecom collusion began BEFORE 9-11. That's an uncomfortable fact that rarely gets mentioned.

Ohhh, Barack, you've fallen so far from the grace that once surrounded you. You've betrayed your progressive base on an issue that goes to the very heart of protecting our democracy. And now you would have us believe we were inattentive and only imagining that you made the promises you did during the campaign.

Oh yes, one other thing: I know several people on the right who are as furious as I am about Obama's waffling on this issue. It is not just the Left who finds him repugnant in this regard.

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Telecom Immunity is Unconstitutional
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Jul 9, 2008 5:18 AM   
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It's become quite apparent that the only way to stop telecom immunity is to directly challenge its constitutionality in court.

By not demanding the government produce court warrants for their confidential records -- as required under the Fourth Amendment -- the telecoms violated their customers' constitutional right to privacy.

The telecom immunity bill is therefore unconstitutional on its face. It deprives Americans of their First Amendment right to seek judicial redress for the telecoms' failure to meet their Fourth Amendment responsibility.

It must not be allowed to stand. The telecoms MUST be held accountable for failing to protect their customers' privacy.

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» Agency law IS agency law... Posted by: brunowe
» I agree entirely! Posted by: brunowe
My.BarackObama.com refuses New Protect Constitution Group
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Jul 9, 2008 6:27 AM   
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I am solidly against the FISA bill and for protecting the Constitution.

Last week I tried to start a Group on My.BarackObama.com called

Senator Obama-Call for Impeachment Hearings Now-Protect Our Constitution

TODAY, Our Group was Refused!!!

PLEASE.... If you think Bush and Cheney should be held accountable, If you give a hoot about Our Constitution...

HELP ME Get This Group Started on
My.BarackObama.com


Thanks

John H Kennedy, Denver CO 43 yr Democratic voter,
Obama delegate to our county convention.

..

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» funny Posted by: foreverhope
Waht a Joke
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jul 9, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Personally, I think Obama is a Joke. I doubt he will make it two weeks if he is elected BUT, considering the alternative "McBush", Obama is the best choice because we all know what McBush means dont we. Damned if we do and damned if we dont!

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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» RE: Waht a Joke Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Waht a Joke Posted by: VZEQICVA
wrensis
Posted by: wrensis on Jul 9, 2008 6:56 AM   
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Quote from FDL interview with Slate's Dahlia Lithwick
"I am working on a piece right now in which I try to understand how it is that Obama — a Harvard Law Review President and Constitutional law professor — has chosen to flee to the right almost singularly on constitutional issues. If I get it done the lede will be something like “In a week of moving to the middle Sen. Obama managed to yank the First, Second, Fourth and Eight Amendments with him. Impressive.” Seriously, I can’t quite see why someone with such a sophisticated view of the Bill of Rights would cave or triangulate on guns, the death penalty, the warrant requirement and speech in the span of a week."

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» RE: wrensis Posted by: Lauren
» RE: wrensis Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Guns are constitutional Posted by: YogiBear
The FISA legislation gives CIVIL immunity not CRIMINAL immunity!
Posted by: foreverhope on Jul 9, 2008 8:35 AM   
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Get a grip.

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» actually.... Posted by: foreverhope
» Oh, they care about prison I think Posted by: foreverhope
» a childish way to win an argument Posted by: foreverhope
» I think this would be productive Posted by: foreverhope
THE NEW OBAMA
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 9, 2008 8:43 AM   
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That didn't take long. The power assumed by the Bush administration is very tempting. Why whould he want anything to change? The president no longer has to consider the general public. George Bush proved that. Obama already has people lined up to just be in his presence and hear his words of wisdom. Sorry , I don't like what I see. I didn't vote for Bush, I did vote for Clinton. Both of my votes lost. But I do sleep at night. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: THE NEW OBAMA Posted by: Lauren
Democratic Platform
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jul 9, 2008 9:21 AM   
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I have somehow gotten on the Barack Obama email sucker-list. (I think I did when I sent an email to the DNC regarding my anger over Obama's flip-flopping on FISA.)
Well, "Barack Obama" recently sent me an email stating that the Democratic party is looking to hold neighborhood meetings of common-folk in order to help draw up the party's platform.

HOPEFULLY this will be a wonderful chance for we disillusioned Democrats to take back our party!

Here is the URL to sign up to host a platform meeting:
http://my.barackobama.com/listening

TAKE BACK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
(By the way, I realize that these platform meetings could be just for show. But what other choice do any of us have in order to change things for the better?)

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» RE: Democratic Platform Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Democratic Platform Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Democratic Platform Posted by: StillStanding
Here's a list of the FISA rats
Posted by: StillStanding on Jul 9, 2008 3:09 PM   
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Here's a list of the rats who voted for the FISA outrage.

A list of the rats

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Qwest
Posted by: orionsan on Jul 9, 2008 5:16 PM   
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Barbara Boxer mentioned Qwest as the only telecom that refused to spy illegally for Bush. I don't know much about them, but it sounds like a place to put your business in light of all this.

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» RE: Qwest Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Qwest ---- CREDO Posted by: G.Achin
» RE: Qwest ---- CREDO Posted by: G.Achin