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McCain's Playbook: Hate, Fear and Caveman Politics
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You'd never know it from listening to McCain, whose kickoff speech is the same election-year diatribe that Republicans have been giving for decades, one long broadside against those goddamned overgrown Sixties weenie liberals who hate the flag, love the bomb-tossing enemies of America and are bent on the twin goals of ending the system of free enterprise and placing every aspect of our lives under government control. McCain pegs Obama as a man who wants to take America "backward," to the failed ideas of the Sixties. "I'm surprised that a young man has bought into so many failed ideas!" he says, to furious applause. Then, spitting out a forced, ugly laugh that he must have practiced many (but not enough) times in the bathroom mirror of the Straight Talk Express, he adds, "That's not change we can believe in!"
The choice of New Orleans as a launching pad for McCain's national campaign is the kind of leadenly obvious move that people who do politics for a living are pleased to call "sound strategy": For a candidate supposedly desperate to avoid carrying the Bush label into November, this disaster-stricken city is about the only place in the country that offers a striking visual image of a Bush policy that McCain has actually criticized. So the candidate dragged himself onstage here, ostensibly to perform the dreary business of "distancing himself" from Bush by once again criticizing the president's response to Katrina. The Bush-bashing money quote -- "Americans have a right to expect basic competence from their government!" -- was featured prominently in media accounts.
But the idea that John McCain is kicking off his trek to the White House by fleeing at top-end speed from the faltering Republican brand is the kind of absurdly facile misperception that only the American campaign press could swallow whole. The reality is that the once independent-thinking McCain has by now completely remade himself into a prototypical, dumbed-down Republican Party stooge -- one who plans to rely on the same GOP strategy that has been winning elections ever since Pat Buchanan and Dick Nixon cooked up a plan for cleaving the South back in 1968. Rather than serving up the "straight talk" he promises, McCain is enthusiastically jumping aboard with every low-rent, fearmongering, cock-sucking presidential aspirant who's ever traveled the Lee Atwater/William Safire highway.
Even the briefest of surveys of the supporters gracing McCain's events underscores the kind of red-meat appeal he's making. Immediately after his speech in New Orleans, a pair of sweet-looking old ladies put down their McCain signs long enough to fill me in on why they're here. "I tell you," says one, "if Michelle Obama really doesn't like it here in America, I'd be very pleased to raise the money to send her back to Africa."
The diminutive and smiling old lady's friend leans over. "That's going a little too far, dear."
"Too far?" says the first. "Farrakhan is saying they were brought here against their will, and their bodies are still feeding the sharks at the bottom of the sea! I mean, really!"
"OK, sharks still eating bodies," I say, writing it all down. "Could I have your name, ma'am?"
"Janice Berg," says the first old lady. "And lest you think I'm Jewish, the name comes from Norway. Berg is 'mountain' in Norwegian. I'm part German, part French myself."
A few paces away, I catch up with a man named Ron Saucier and a woman who would only identify herself as Mary. Ron says his problem with Obama is the integrity thing. "He exaggerates too much," Ron says. "He's not honest."
"OK," I say. "What does he exaggerate about?"
"Well, like that time he was saying he had a white mother and a white grandmother," he says.
I ask him how this is an exaggeration.
"Well, he was saying . . ." he begins. "As if that qualifies him to . . ."
Despite my repeated prodding, Ron seems unable or unwilling to say aloud exactly what he means. Finally, his friend Mary, a grave-looking blonde with fierce anger lines around her eyes, jumps in, points a finger and blurts out one of the all-time man-on-the-street quotes.
"Look, you either are or you aren't," she says.
"And he aren't," Ron says, nodding with relief.
Some of us who have been mesmerized by the Obama-Clinton cage match during the past six months may have developed certain delusions about the state of American politics, in two areas in particular. One is the idea, much pushed by wishful-thinking media commentators like myself, that the abject failure and unpopularity of the Bush administration somehow means the Republican revolution is over, and the mean-ass hate-radio conservatism of Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh is finally dead. The other is the even more quaint notion that the historic, groundbreakingly successful candidacies of a black man and a woman have ushered in a futuristic era of political tolerance and open-mindedness.
It's bunk, all of it, and nobody understands this better than John McCain. With his chameleonlike, whatever-gets-you-through-the-night ideology, McCain intends to use the same below-the-belt, commie-baiting, watermelon-waving smear tactics that Clinton used against Obama in the Democratic primaries, except at tenfold intensity. Once the victim of a classic racist smear job in backwoods South Carolina (where he was whipped in the 2000 primary after a Karl Rove whispering campaign suggested he had an illegitimate black daughter), McCain has now positioned himself on the business end of that same deal.
Like Hillary Clinton, an erstwhile vilified liberal who remade herself as a flag-waving, Sixties-bashing champion of "hardworking Americans, white Americans" once the remarkable candidacy of Barack Obama forced her off her old turf, the one-time "insurgent" McCain has finally decided to sail with the wind at his back by going dumb and courting the same talk-radio demographic that used to despise him. What enables him to do so is a key insight: that while George W. Bush may be unpopular as an individual, fear and hatred in this country have never gone out of style.
The remarkable metamorphoses this year of both Hillary Clinton and John McCain would be puzzling and inexplicable were it not for a basic truism of the political-hate game. The reasons McCain and Clinton were villains of the Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity crowd in the first place had nothing to do with their policy positions or votes in the Senate or anything like that. Their real crimes were their arrogant insistence on exercising their intellectual independence, as well as their stubborn refusal to indulge in drooling-caveman demagoguery. The instant both of them crossed into the hater column and began feverishly jacking off the toothless racists of the Deep South with broadsides against the America-hating socialist menace Obama, all was instantly forgiven.
Only a few months ago, I was constantly running into Republicans at McCain events who had profound concerns about the Arizona senator's "liberal" record. But these days I'm hard-pressed to find anyone on the trail who even remembers that McCain once supported Roe v. Wade, and opposed the Bush tax cuts, and compared the tortures at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo to the techniques of the Spanish Inquisition, and even heretically claimed that Mexican immigrants were "God's children too." When I ask Mary Morvant, a pro-life Christian, why she's supporting McCain given his record on abortion, she gives a typical answer: "I'm much more concerned about Obama."
McCain enters the general election in the form of a man who has jettisoned the last traces of his dangerous unorthodoxy just in time to be plausible in the role of the torchbearing leader of the anti-Obama mob, waving the flag and chanting, "One of us! One of us!" all the way through to November. He now favors making the Bush tax cuts permanent, he's unblinkingly pro-life every time he remembers to mention abortion, and he's given up bitching about torture. With his newfound opposition to his own attempts to reform immigration policy and campaign finance, McCain is perhaps the first candidate in history to stump against two bills bearing his own name.
McCain's transformation is so complete that at a recent town-hall meeting in Nashville, when asked to name an author who inspired him, the candidate -- who once described televangelists of the Jerry Falwell genus as "agents of intolerance" -- put none other than Joel Osteen at the top of his list. "He's inspirational," McCain said.
Standing at the meeting, I didn't write Osteen's name down in my notebook -- apparently because my brain refused on some level to accept that McCain had actually said it. Of all the vile, fake, lying-ass, money-grubbing shyster scumbags on the face of this planet, there is perhaps none more loathsome than Osteen, a human haircut with plastic baseball-size teeth who has made a fortune selling the appalling only-in-America idea that terrestrial greed is actually a form of Christian devotion. "God wants us to prosper financially, to have plenty of money, to fulfill the destiny He has laid out for us," Osteen once wrote. This is the revolting, snake-oil-selling dickhead that John McCain actually chose to pimp as number one on his list of inspirational authors. So much for "go, sell everything you have and give to the poor," and all that other hippie crap from the New Testament.
This dumbed-down, hypersimplified incarnation of McCain offers the vehicle for his new platform, which is just the same old ring-around-the-collar fear-mongering horseshit used by a generation of conservatives, warmed over to fit 2008. In fact, in his stump speeches these days, McCain never veers off a strikingly Bushian binary version of reality, in which the world is divided into clear-cut camps of God-fearing American good and un-Christian, bomb-tossing foreign (and foreign-enabling) evil. McCain talks about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his evil plans for world domination, Hamas and its rockets that rained on poor Israeli children in their Purim (he pronounces it pyoor-eem) costumes. Also in the "bad" column are Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, the "far-left radical outfit" MoveOn.org, the wealthy liberals in Georgetown who opposed the gas-tax holiday for ordinary, decent folk because "they can probably walk to work," and the Democrats eager to impose socialism because "they have little faith in the wisdom, decency and common sense of free people."
Break it down and this is basically the same old label game, with McCain trying to rally his crowds against all the major isms: terrorism, socialism, elitism, anti-Americanism. His crude attempts to paint Obama with these brushes are more or less the whole of his argument for the presidency. Obama is terrorist-coddler because he is "ready to talk in person with tyrants" like Ahmadinejad, he hates soldiers because he refused to condemn MoveOn's "General Betray Us" ad, and he's a socialist because he favors health-care reform -- despite the fact that the Obama plan isn't "socialized" medicine any more than the universal requirement to buy private auto insurance is socialism.
And when it comes to Obama's and his wife's America-hating, well . . . McCain really doesn't need to say anything about that. All he needs to do to remind audiences of Reverend Wright and Michelle "I'm proud of America for the first time" Obama is to offer a few bons mots in the opposite direction. "I seek the office with the humility of a man who cannot forget that my country saved me," McCain likes to say. And while he doesn't believe he was anointed by God to lead the great nation of America, he insists, "I am her servant, first, last and always."
That's it -- that's the entire argument. McCain is a canny enough old goat to know that the public's insatiable appetite for traitorous enemies will do the rest. He'll wave as many flags and stand in front of as many fucking fighter jets as you like, while the other guy lectures us about why he doesn't always need to wear a flag pin in his lapel and calls a bomb-throwing Sixties terrorist "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" instead of calling for his immediate beheading.
Cindy Oestriecher, a McCain supporter who turned out for his speech in New Orleans, is stumped when I ask her for an example of Obama's lack of patriotism. "What was that thing about anti-American?" she asks a friend. "What were they referring to?"
"What thing?" asks the friend.
"People were talking about that thing, that anti-American thing," Cindy says, frowning.
"You mean about the flag, the thing on the Internet?" the friend replies.
"Yeah, I guess," says Cindy. "The anti-American thing." "That bothers you?" I ask.
"Of course it does!"
"But you don't even know what it is," I say. "You just know that someone else said he was anti-American. You don't even know who it was that said it!"
She shrugs. What's my point? We all know what the deal is. When it comes to presidential politics, you either are or you aren't. And Barack Obama aren't. If you can't grasp the simple math of that statement, you don't know much about elections in this country. It's not about the war, or the economy, or the faltering Republican brand, or any of that: This is about hate and fear, and a dark instinct in our blood going all the way back to Salem, and whether or not a desperately ambitious ex-heretic named John McCain can whip up a big enough mob in time to drown the latest witch.
Which means that despite all the talk about "change," we're once again stuck in the same dumb flashback that has been prodigiously wasting our time for the last four or five decades -- the seemingly endless quest to crush the mythical leftist revolution, which for some reason has spent most of the last half-century cleverly disguised as a bunch of ineffectual bourgeois New Yorkers sitting around watching Stanley Kubrick movies and eating whole foods while conservatives took over the world. What's especially creepy about this flashback this time around is that it seems to mirror the tragic loop in McCain's own psyche. For all his frantic recanting of the many embarrassingly bipartisan episodes from his Senate past, McCain has never betrayed even a nanosecond's worth of memories from the central catastrophe of his life: his capture and torture in a Vietnamese prison. But now that he is finally pitted, in the great battle of his life, against a smooth-talking peacenik nearly half his age who wants American troops to withdraw instead of pressing on for "victory" in an unpopular war, McCain can keep reliving all those old hurts and all those old battles over and over again, in front of sympathetic crowd after sympathetic crowd.
Never mind that Iraq isn't exactly Vietnam, or that Barack Obama isn't Jane Fonda -- what matters is that the Republicans nominated a wounded old soldier who now gets to spend the next five months trying to exorcise his personal demons, and this serendipitous circumstance fits nicely with the party's national strategy, despite the fact that pinning these old hurts on the likes of Obama makes no sense at all. Still, it's not hard to hear, in McCain's quasi-coherent rants, his bitterness at being abandoned to years of savage tortures while millions of little Hillarys and Bills and Obamas-in-training were getting high and balling each other during the Country Joe and the Fish set at Woodstock, instead of standing up and saluting the "winnable" war effort that got McCain sent to Vietnam in the first place.
Then as now, the crime of the Obama class in the eyes of a wronged veteran like McCain wasn't that they caused these wartime sufferings; it was that they didn't cheer them as righteous and necessary, and unhesitatingly support the sending of more soldiers to the same fate. In the present day, it is George Bush who got us into this new Vietnam-like mess and revived the specter of tortured prisoners, but McCain's anger isn't focused in that direction. He's not mad that it's happening again, not looking to blame the people who actually started the fire. Instead he seems re-energized by the fact that we are all back in that same hell, back to living the PTSD-inducing nightmare that McCain himself never got to leave -- and if it takes dumbing down his act and playing to the Rush and Hannity crowd to give his story a happy ending this time around, he won't hesitate. So if you thought Hillary was bad, buckle your seat belts: The really dumb stuff is just beginning.
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Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Jun 16, 2008 3:18 AM
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Aside from these two points, Taibbi's article is a bunch of infantile rhetoric (McCain has an "ugly laugh" - what a mature and valuable observation) that betrays the common subscript of his articles:
"Look at me, I'm cool, and I still think being cool matters."
Get over yourself and grow up, Matt Taibbi.
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Posted by: williameon on Jun 16, 2008 7:11 AM
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And in his War there was a Pig e-i-e-i-O
With a Oink Oink here and a Oink Oink there
Here a Oink, there a Oink
Everywhere a Oink Oink
E-i-e-i-O
Old McPain had a WAR! E-i-e-i-O!
And in this WAR there was a Chickenhawk E-i-e-i-O!
With a Cluck Cluck here and a Cluck Cluck there
Here a Cluck and there a Cluck
Everywhere a Cluck Cluck!
With a Oink Oink here and a Oink Oink there
Here a Oink, there a Oink
Everywhere a Oink Oink
E-i-e-i-O
Old McPain had a WAR! E-i-e-i-O
Old McPain had a WAR! E-i-e-i-O!
Put Old Lizard Head back in his box,
Throw him into the ground and
Bury him as fast as you can.
Lieberwhore has his hand so far up McPain’s a-s
He’s making his lips move!
Ouch!
That must hurt!
E-i-e-i-O!
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Posted by: blogbooks on Jun 16, 2008 7:43 AM
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Horrific.
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Posted by: ozonehole on Jun 16, 2008 7:47 AM
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Sad, because at one time the USA really was the world's greatest nation. But no more. We squandered all our resources, and for what? Just to make some already-rich people even richer. And now the whole world is going to reap the whirlwind.
For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, "It might
have been."
- John Greenleaf Whittier (1807-1892)
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"A well-educated electorate being necessary to the preservation of a free society,..."
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Posted by: QCao009 on Jun 16, 2008 8:48 AM
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In another era, Rove politics would have continued to work. Fortunately, the best defense against failure is failure itself, and the lack of imagination has triggered a lifepulse in our citizenry. By himself, back in 2000, McCain would have probably won against Gore projecting himself as a maverick and a straightalker. Eight years later, after he sold out, he is now presenting himself to an electorate, stiff fearful, still easily manipulated by media drones, but exposd to years of ineffiicency, lying, warmongering, and citizenbullying by the Cheney regime and W puppetry.
Yes, the Rs will play every negative card this time, including the possibility of faking a terrorist attack or starting another war ignoring all advice to the contrary, and yes, every bit of negativity will just backfire against them. The people who screamed wolf have become the "evil" they seek to label and condemn, and their naked lack of values is making Christian dogma and intolerance look just like the image of Islam they paint. So much so that conservatives now reject their party and are registering Independent in droves.
How many virgins are waiting W in Crawford at the bottom of the bottle? How many quails and white old lawyers are going to now haunt Cheney's days? The pain they have inflicted on the US and other nations in the name of Reagan's America has just made the whole neo-con crowd look more and more Nixonian.
What should we do with these bullies come Jan 09 ? God is not done with them, and neither is the American people. They want to bring back the good old days. I suggest a start with tar and feather. The American people needs to show the world we do not look kindly on people who trash our Constitution. In these United States, noone is above the law, even W and Dick the draftdodgers who thought they can present themselves as so patriotic and courageous after hiding behind their mother and wife's pants. A real man would not shoot caged birds. A real man would not be afraid of meeting the mother of a soldier he sent to die. Someone who swears to uphold the Constitution would not spy on citizens and arrest people without habeas corpus.
First Katrina, now the Midwest. Gone AWOL, gone fishing, gone quailshooting !!!
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Posted by: richardbelldc on Jun 16, 2008 8:55 AM
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Take his "cock-sucking" characterization of previous Republican presidential aspirants, as if we all knew that cock sucking was the very worst thing that anyone could possibly conceive of.
"Rather than serving up the "straight talk" he promises, McCain is enthusiastically jumping aboard with every low-rent, fearmongering, cock-sucking presidential aspirant who's ever traveled the Lee Atwater/William Safire highway."
While I agree with Taibbi's point that fear and hatred continue to be powerful motivators, I doubt whether his foaming-at-the-mouth, wish-I-could be-Hunter Thompson rhetoric would persuade anyone who was not already a full-fledged member of Taibbi's flock.
Rolling Stone may think it's cool to publish such onanistic writing, but I hold Alternet to a higher standard. Spare us.
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Posted by: srqwolf on Jun 16, 2008 12:50 PM
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Matt Taibbi seems to be laboring under the illusion that he’s Hunter Thompson, which he is most assuredly not. I’m not naïve enough to believe that McCain and the Republicans aren’t playing on this neo-fascist dynamic – hell, they’ve been doing it as long as I’ve been aware of politics. But even in a country as benighted as this one, there is a limit to the amount of cognitive dissonance that can be reasonably borne.
In this particular case, the role of the establishment media cannot be entirely discounted. I mean, they’ve allowed Obama to get this far. That’s something that they didn’t even permit of Edwards, who, last time I looked, was white and southern. And, Obama isn’t really saying anything terribly threatening to the established order. In foreign affairs, he’s towing the line on Israel, Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela. His healthcare proposals are basically mandatory (private) health insurance with some subsidies for the poor. In fact, only yesterday (Fathers’ Day) he had his own mini Sister Souljah moment – taking black men to task for being “absent” from the lives of their children. So, what’s not to co-opt?
I have to say that I agree with the other reader who said that this article is mainly a yawn – although it might form the narrative basis for a good video game. I do have one other bone to pick, so to speak. It’s this particularly juvenile quote: “McCain is enthusiastically jumping aboard with every low-rent, fearmongering, cock-sucking presidential aspirant who's ever traveled the Lee Atwater/William Safire highway.” Whoa, dude! What’s up with that? Now your lumping cocksuckers (a fine and noble breed) in with odious right-wing creeps like Lee Atwater and William Safire? Being a longtime Friend of Dorothy, I think this gives fellatio fans a bad name. Listen, Matt – do yourself a favor – take a short break from politics. Join a drum circle, go to a Henry Rollins concert, something. Just get all this post-adolescent angst out of your system before you write another political article. Seriously; you’ll thank me later.
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Posted by: aogfc on Jun 16, 2008 3:44 PM
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I like alternet.. but it isn't gonna change the world.. and not everything they print has to too high and mighty...
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Posted by: frantaylor on Jun 16, 2008 4:05 PM
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We need someone who speaks the same language as the Republicans to disassemble McCain. It shouldn't be hard to work up quite a bit of outrage over how McCain is selling out the Republicans and p*ssing all over their brand.
Then NOBODY will vote for him.
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Posted by: johnshadows on Jun 16, 2008 7:54 PM
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I imagine I could just as easily work on Obama crowd, soliciting quotes from starry-eyed believers in 'hope and change' who don't know s*** from shinola about his actual policies. I mean, what ever happened to universal health care as a Democratic principle? But no such quote would be as effective as this stilted piece of trash from Matt Taibbi, in showing how dangerous and rabid the 'true believer' can be - it's just now we're seeing them appear on the left.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jun 16, 2008 9:02 PM
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Those few who are delighted with the current status of our polity can vote for McCain, but no rational person will be swayed by scare tactics, misrepresenation, covert racism, slander and other tactics that will surely be employed by a desperate Republican party.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jun 16, 2008 9:05 PM
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Those few who are delighted with the current status of our polity can vote for McCain, but no rational person will be swayed by scare tactics, misrepresenation, covert racism, slander and other tactics that will surely be employed by a desperate Republican party.
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Posted by: no1kstate on Jun 16, 2008 9:46 PM
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But McCain didn't have that June 3rd event in New Orleans. He had it in a New Orleans suburb. Certainly, those people suffered, too. But these aren't the ones left at the Superdome days without food and water. He spoke to the people who could afford to gas up the SUV and break-out and who probably castigated the "refugees" for being to dumb to leave in the first place.
That matters to me a lot - the fact that he spoke in a suburb but not actually New Orleans. It's kinda poetic really. Republicans can always get somewhere within the vicinity of real concerns and issues, but they have no intentions of actually changing the underlying problems to address real concerns.
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Posted by: warreno on Jun 18, 2008 11:01 AM
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That's Wind Sock McCain through and through. He's as consistent as the prevailing opinion, and it might not hurt to point out that transparency to others. It might be his undoing.
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Posted by: hankhawk on Jun 22, 2008 10:40 AM
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there will be very little improvement in the
country's economic, financial, moral progress.
Human nature is the same with members of both
parties - greed, pride, materialism, power-hungry -- they're all the same. The USA is
losing all the principles that made it great, and today, we're just another big country that
is just a step or two above other mediocre
countries and we're losing ground every years.
What we need is a benevolent dictator for
3-4 years who would kick out all the politicians and do things that have to get
done without all the bickering, pork barrel
waste, and corrupting deals that these guys
do every day as part of "their job.' Most
of them have never done an honest days work
in their life. "GET A JOB" for a change.
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Posted by: hankhawk on Jun 22, 2008 10:41 AM
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there will be very little improvement in the
country's economic, financial, moral progress.
Human nature is the same with members of both
parties - greed, pride, materialism, power-hungry -- they're all the same. The USA is
losing all the principles that made it great, and today, we're just another big country that
is just a step or two above other mediocre
countries and we're losing ground every years.
What we need is a benevolent dictator for
3-4 years who would kick out all the politicians and do things that have to get
done without all the bickering, pork barrel
waste, and corrupting deals that these guys
do every day as part of "their job.' Most
of them have never done an honest days work
in their life. "GET AN HONEST JOB" for a change.
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Posted by: sacramentodan on Jun 22, 2008 6:48 PM
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Posted by: greenPuker on Jun 23, 2008 7:24 AM
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McPain, in response to a sleazy person's upchuck in his vetted audience. See..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29pjwHv8ro
No, he does not have your best interest at heart nor is his crude moral base what you want for a president. A reminder: The correct response would have been to strongly admonish this slimy bitch about her "BITCH" remark!
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Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Jun 16, 2008 3:18 AM
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Aside from these two points, Taibbi's article is a bunch of infantile rhetoric (McCain has an "ugly laugh" - what a mature and valuable observation) that betrays the common subscript of his articles:
"Look at me, I'm cool, and I still think being cool matters."
Get over yourself and grow up, Matt Taibbi.
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Posted by: williameon on Jun 16, 2008 7:11 AM
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And in his War there was a Pig e-i-e-i-O
With a Oink Oink here and a Oink Oink there
Here a Oink, there a Oink
Everywhere a Oink Oink
E-i-e-i-O
Old McPain had a WAR! E-i-e-i-O!
And in this WAR there was a Chickenhawk E-i-e-i-O!
With a Cluck Cluck here and a Cluck Cluck there
Here a Cluck and there a Cluck
Everywhere a Cluck Cluck!
With a Oink Oink here and a Oink Oink there
Here a Oink, there a Oink
Everywhere a Oink Oink
E-i-e-i-O
Old McPain had a WAR! E-i-e-i-O
Old McPain had a WAR! E-i-e-i-O!
Put Old Lizard Head back in his box,
Throw him into the ground and
Bury him as fast as you can.
Lieberwhore has his hand so far up McPain’s a-s
He’s making his lips move!
Ouch!
That must hurt!
E-i-e-i-O!
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Posted by: blogbooks on Jun 16, 2008 7:43 AM
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Horrific.
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Posted by: ozonehole on Jun 16, 2008 7:47 AM
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Sad, because at one time the USA really was the world's greatest nation. But no more. We squandered all our resources, and for what? Just to make some already-rich people even richer. And now the whole world is going to reap the whirlwind.
For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, "It might
have been."
- John Greenleaf Whittier (1807-1892)
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"A well-educated electorate being necessary to the preservation of a free society,..."
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Posted by: QCao009 on Jun 16, 2008 8:48 AM
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In another era, Rove politics would have continued to work. Fortunately, the best defense against failure is failure itself, and the lack of imagination has triggered a lifepulse in our citizenry. By himself, back in 2000, McCain would have probably won against Gore projecting himself as a maverick and a straightalker. Eight years later, after he sold out, he is now presenting himself to an electorate, stiff fearful, still easily manipulated by media drones, but exposd to years of ineffiicency, lying, warmongering, and citizenbullying by the Cheney regime and W puppetry.
Yes, the Rs will play every negative card this time, including the possibility of faking a terrorist attack or starting another war ignoring all advice to the contrary, and yes, every bit of negativity will just backfire against them. The people who screamed wolf have become the "evil" they seek to label and condemn, and their naked lack of values is making Christian dogma and intolerance look just like the image of Islam they paint. So much so that conservatives now reject their party and are registering Independent in droves.
How many virgins are waiting W in Crawford at the bottom of the bottle? How many quails and white old lawyers are going to now haunt Cheney's days? The pain they have inflicted on the US and other nations in the name of Reagan's America has just made the whole neo-con crowd look more and more Nixonian.
What should we do with these bullies come Jan 09 ? God is not done with them, and neither is the American people. They want to bring back the good old days. I suggest a start with tar and feather. The American people needs to show the world we do not look kindly on people who trash our Constitution. In these United States, noone is above the law, even W and Dick the draftdodgers who thought they can present themselves as so patriotic and courageous after hiding behind their mother and wife's pants. A real man would not shoot caged birds. A real man would not be afraid of meeting the mother of a soldier he sent to die. Someone who swears to uphold the Constitution would not spy on citizens and arrest people without habeas corpus.
First Katrina, now the Midwest. Gone AWOL, gone fishing, gone quailshooting !!!
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Posted by: richardbelldc on Jun 16, 2008 8:55 AM
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Take his "cock-sucking" characterization of previous Republican presidential aspirants, as if we all knew that cock sucking was the very worst thing that anyone could possibly conceive of.
"Rather than serving up the "straight talk" he promises, McCain is enthusiastically jumping aboard with every low-rent, fearmongering, cock-sucking presidential aspirant who's ever traveled the Lee Atwater/William Safire highway."
While I agree with Taibbi's point that fear and hatred continue to be powerful motivators, I doubt whether his foaming-at-the-mouth, wish-I-could be-Hunter Thompson rhetoric would persuade anyone who was not already a full-fledged member of Taibbi's flock.
Rolling Stone may think it's cool to publish such onanistic writing, but I hold Alternet to a higher standard. Spare us.
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Posted by: srqwolf on Jun 16, 2008 12:50 PM
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Matt Taibbi seems to be laboring under the illusion that he’s Hunter Thompson, which he is most assuredly not. I’m not naïve enough to believe that McCain and the Republicans aren’t playing on this neo-fascist dynamic – hell, they’ve been doing it as long as I’ve been aware of politics. But even in a country as benighted as this one, there is a limit to the amount of cognitive dissonance that can be reasonably borne.
In this particular case, the role of the establishment media cannot be entirely discounted. I mean, they’ve allowed Obama to get this far. That’s something that they didn’t even permit of Edwards, who, last time I looked, was white and southern. And, Obama isn’t really saying anything terribly threatening to the established order. In foreign affairs, he’s towing the line on Israel, Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela. His healthcare proposals are basically mandatory (private) health insurance with some subsidies for the poor. In fact, only yesterday (Fathers’ Day) he had his own mini Sister Souljah moment – taking black men to task for being “absent” from the lives of their children. So, what’s not to co-opt?
I have to say that I agree with the other reader who said that this article is mainly a yawn – although it might form the narrative basis for a good video game. I do have one other bone to pick, so to speak. It’s this particularly juvenile quote: “McCain is enthusiastically jumping aboard with every low-rent, fearmongering, cock-sucking presidential aspirant who's ever traveled the Lee Atwater/William Safire highway.” Whoa, dude! What’s up with that? Now your lumping cocksuckers (a fine and noble breed) in with odious right-wing creeps like Lee Atwater and William Safire? Being a longtime Friend of Dorothy, I think this gives fellatio fans a bad name. Listen, Matt – do yourself a favor – take a short break from politics. Join a drum circle, go to a Henry Rollins concert, something. Just get all this post-adolescent angst out of your system before you write another political article. Seriously; you’ll thank me later.
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Posted by: aogfc on Jun 16, 2008 3:44 PM
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I like alternet.. but it isn't gonna change the world.. and not everything they print has to too high and mighty...
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Posted by: frantaylor on Jun 16, 2008 4:05 PM
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We need someone who speaks the same language as the Republicans to disassemble McCain. It shouldn't be hard to work up quite a bit of outrage over how McCain is selling out the Republicans and p*ssing all over their brand.
Then NOBODY will vote for him.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Jun 16, 2008 5:25 PM
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Posted by: johnshadows on Jun 16, 2008 7:54 PM
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I imagine I could just as easily work on Obama crowd, soliciting quotes from starry-eyed believers in 'hope and change' who don't know s*** from shinola about his actual policies. I mean, what ever happened to universal health care as a Democratic principle? But no such quote would be as effective as this stilted piece of trash from Matt Taibbi, in showing how dangerous and rabid the 'true believer' can be - it's just now we're seeing them appear on the left.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jun 16, 2008 9:02 PM
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Those few who are delighted with the current status of our polity can vote for McCain, but no rational person will be swayed by scare tactics, misrepresenation, covert racism, slander and other tactics that will surely be employed by a desperate Republican party.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jun 16, 2008 9:05 PM
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Those few who are delighted with the current status of our polity can vote for McCain, but no rational person will be swayed by scare tactics, misrepresenation, covert racism, slander and other tactics that will surely be employed by a desperate Republican party.
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Posted by: no1kstate on Jun 16, 2008 9:46 PM
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But McCain didn't have that June 3rd event in New Orleans. He had it in a New Orleans suburb. Certainly, those people suffered, too. But these aren't the ones left at the Superdome days without food and water. He spoke to the people who could afford to gas up the SUV and break-out and who probably castigated the "refugees" for being to dumb to leave in the first place.
That matters to me a lot - the fact that he spoke in a suburb but not actually New Orleans. It's kinda poetic really. Republicans can always get somewhere within the vicinity of real concerns and issues, but they have no intentions of actually changing the underlying problems to address real concerns.
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That's Wind Sock McCain through and through. He's as consistent as the prevailing opinion, and it might not hurt to point out that transparency to others. It might be his undoing.
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Posted by: hankhawk on Jun 22, 2008 10:40 AM
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there will be very little improvement in the
country's economic, financial, moral progress.
Human nature is the same with members of both
parties - greed, pride, materialism, power-hungry -- they're all the same. The USA is
losing all the principles that made it great, and today, we're just another big country that
is just a step or two above other mediocre
countries and we're losing ground every years.
What we need is a benevolent dictator for
3-4 years who would kick out all the politicians and do things that have to get
done without all the bickering, pork barrel
waste, and corrupting deals that these guys
do every day as part of "their job.' Most
of them have never done an honest days work
in their life. "GET A JOB" for a change.
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Posted by: hankhawk on Jun 22, 2008 10:41 AM
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there will be very little improvement in the
country's economic, financial, moral progress.
Human nature is the same with members of both
parties - greed, pride, materialism, power-hungry -- they're all the same. The USA is
losing all the principles that made it great, and today, we're just another big country that
is just a step or two above other mediocre
countries and we're losing ground every years.
What we need is a benevolent dictator for
3-4 years who would kick out all the politicians and do things that have to get
done without all the bickering, pork barrel
waste, and corrupting deals that these guys
do every day as part of "their job.' Most
of them have never done an honest days work
in their life. "GET AN HONEST JOB" for a change.
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Posted by: sacramentodan on Jun 22, 2008 6:48 PM
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Posted by: greenPuker on Jun 23, 2008 7:24 AM
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McPain, in response to a sleazy person's upchuck in his vetted audience. See..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29pjwHv8ro
No, he does not have your best interest at heart nor is his crude moral base what you want for a president. A reminder: The correct response would have been to strongly admonish this slimy bitch about her "BITCH" remark!
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