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Naomi Klein: What Does Obama's 'Love of Markets' Mean for Our Economic Future?
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Demonstrating that this is no mere spring fling, he has appointed 37-year-old Jason Furman to head his economic policy team. Furman is one of Wal-Mart's most prominent defenders, anointing the company a "progressive success story." On the campaign trail, Obama blasted Clinton for sitting on the Wal-Mart board and pledged, "I won't shop there." For Furman, however, it's Wal-Mart's critics who are the real threat: the "efforts to get Wal-Mart to raise its wages and benefits" are creating "collateral damage" that is "way too enormous and damaging to working people and the economy more broadly for me to sit by idly and sing 'Kum-Ba-Ya' in the interests of progressive harmony."
Obama's love of markets and his desire for "change" are not inherently incompatible. "The market has gotten out of balance," he says, and it most certainly has. Many trace this profound imbalance back to the ideas of Milton Friedman, who launched a counterrevolution against the New Deal from his perch at the University of Chicago economics department. And here there are more problems, because Obama--who taught law at the University of Chicago for a decade -- is thoroughly embedded in the mind-set known as the Chicago School.
He chose as his chief economic adviser Austan Goolsbee, a University of Chicago economist on the left side of a spectrum that stops at the center-right. Goolsbee, unlike his more Friedmanite colleagues, sees inequality as a problem. His primary solution, however, is more education -- a line you can also get from Alan Greenspan. In their hometown, Goolsbee has been eager to link Obama to the Chicago School. "If you look at his platform, at his advisers, at his temperament, the guy's got a healthy respect for markets," he told Chicago magazine. "It's in the ethos of the [University of Chicago], which is something different from saying he is laissez-faire."
Another of Obama's Chicago fans is 39-year-old billionaire Kenneth Griffin, CEO of the hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. Griffin, who gave the maximum allowable donation to Obama, is something of a poster boy for an unbalanced economy. He got married at Versailles and had the after-party at Marie Antoinette's vacation spot (Cirque du Soleil performed) -- and he is one of the staunchest opponents of closing the hedge-fund tax loophole. While Obama talks about toughening trade rules with China, Griffin has been bending the few barriers that do exist. Despite sanctions prohibiting the sale of police equipment to China, Citadel has been pouring money into controversial China-based security companies that are putting the local population under unprecedented levels of surveillance.
Now is the time to worry about Obama's Chicago Boys and their commitment to fending off serious attempts at regulation. It was in the two and a half months between winning the 1992 election and being sworn into office that Bill Clinton did a U-turn on the economy. He had campaigned promising to revise NAFTA, adding labor and environmental provisions and to invest in social programs. But two weeks before his inauguration, he met with then-Goldman Sachs chief Robert Rubin, who convinced him of the urgency of embracing austerity and more liberalization. Rubin told PBS, "President Clinton actually made the decision before he stepped into the Oval Office, during the transition, on what was a dramatic change in economic policy."
Furman, a leading disciple of Rubin, was chosen to head the Brookings Institution's Hamilton Project, the think tank Rubin helped found to argue for reforming, rather than abandoning, the free-trade agenda. Add to that Goolsbee's February meeting with Canadian consulate officials, who left with the distinct impression that they had been instructed not to take Obama's anti-NAFTA campaigning seriously, and there is every reason for concern about a replay of 1993.
The irony is that there is absolutely no reason for this backsliding. The movement launched by Friedman, introduced by Ronald Reagan and entrenched under Clinton, faces a profound legitimacy crisis around the world. Nowhere is this more evident than at the University of Chicago itself. In mid-May, when university president Robert Zimmer announced the creation of a $200 million Milton Friedman Institute, an economic research center devoted to continuing and augmenting the Friedman legacy, a controversy erupted. More than 100 faculty members signed a letter of protest. "The effects of the neoliberal global order that has been put in place in recent decades, strongly buttressed by the Chicago School of Economics, have by no means been unequivocally positive," the letter states. "Many would argue that they have been negative for much of the world's population."
When Friedman died in 2006, such bold critiques of his legacy were largely absent. The adoring memorials spoke only of grand achievement, with one of the more prominent appreciations appearing in the New York Times--written by Austan Goolsbee. Yet now, just two years later, Friedman's name is seen as a liability even at his own alma mater. So why has Obama chosen this moment, when all illusions of a consensus have dropped away, to go Chicago retro?
The news is not all bad. Furman claims he will be drawing on the expertise of two Keynesian economists: Jared Bernstein of the Economic Policy Institute and James Galbraith, son of Friedman's nemesis John Kenneth Galbraith. Our "current economic crisis," Obama recently said, did not come from nowhere. It is "the logical conclusion of a tired and misguided philosophy that has dominated Washington for far too long."
True enough. But before Obama can purge Washington of the scourge of Friedmanism, he has some ideological housecleaning of his own to do.
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Posted by: brokebuteven on Jun 19, 2008 12:26 AM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 19, 2008 12:34 AM
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Obama's team had better have some pretty radical answers, on the order of a "New Deal" in programs and restructuring because "business as usual" will mean absolute financial failure, with no second term for Obama. There will be no time for second guessing so they'd better get it right the first time and given their Chicago bloodlines that looks very 'iffy' indeed.
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Posted by: nochicagoboys on Jun 19, 2008 4:24 AM
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So, not surprisingly, the race/gender dilemma was always a smokescreen, shrewdly contrived to make the electorate believe true change was on the horizon. I always had my doubts. Now, in light of Naomi Klein's article, I'm convinced: If you vote for either major party's candidate this fall, you get to pick your poison.
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» Right on anna132, Vote for Ron Paul. He's surely against global free markets run amok. NOT!!
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jun 19, 2008 6:38 AM
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No Democrat running for president has won the male vote since 1964. White men, about 40 percent of the electorate, prefer McCain over Obama, 55 percent to 35 percent.
The NBC/WSJ pollsters said, "Pluralities of white male voters say they don't like Senator Obama and don't relate to his background and perceived values. In contrast, by a 2-to-1 ratio, they express positive views of Senator McCain and identify with his background and values."
So there you have it. Klein doesn't have to worry about Obama perpetuating the neoliberal policies that hurt avg Joe/Jane (white or colored). Thanks to white male voters, McPain will continue the elites agenda.
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Posted by: perkywa on Jun 19, 2008 6:48 AM
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Who better to "close the deal" on Globalism then the slick snake oil salesman ugly globalist step-child O-BOMB-A?
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 19, 2008 7:12 AM
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Hurry up and Bend over...( ! )..!
I voting against McCain, not for Obama..
I was for Edwards but the Democrats blew it..!
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jun 19, 2008 7:22 AM
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However, with repespect to the economy, we have no hope. Both democrats and repugs worship the same devil i.e. the free market.
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» Ernest Hollings got it right... "free market" is like "dry water" - no such thing!
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Jun 19, 2008 7:26 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 19, 2008 7:49 AM
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I am all for the Free market- let people be able to offer their 'wares' and compete for customers by providing a better product.
Capitalism is far different- it is based on Cutthroat tactics to undermine the competition
Corportionism is based on eliminating All competition and holding the Market hostage, by being the Only game in town- esp in essential resources.A tactic which makes US endentured and enslaved by the fact of necessity.
Another area I will be listening for from Sen Obama. I will vote for him in Nov- but I will reserve the right to continue evaluating His performance throughtout his Presidency.No future President Should EVER claim a mandate, it's a confession of their Blind Ambitions and potential for Abuse of Power.
Convicting this Admin on their numerous Crimes would send that message loud and clear!
Another area He has failed to speak Loudly enough about.
But then again when even your Primary Opponent is willing to suggest asssasination - you may want to keep some of your thoughts and intentions close to the vest.
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Posted by: droscify on Jun 19, 2008 7:50 AM
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Point is, at some point those who truly want to change these circumstances need to take some fucking responsibility and maybe act accordingly. None of this would of happened had our collective society not allowed it to happen, and I personally don't know a solitary soul who has not in some way benefited from our corpoarate funded infrastructure. If this is something that we truly want to see a shift in, perhaps we should stop cast stones from our own glass houses. Truth be told, most of us shop at corporate outlets, purchase gas, and food, and clothes from this infrastructure. It is not impossible to be independent of such devices, but we as a society have forgotten this. At the same time we bemoan politicians who operate within its framework to change things for the better. So if you disagree with how our infrastructure is operating, I suggest revolution as an alternative. Otherwise, I believe you benefit from exactly what you decry.
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» Re-Read the article!
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» Reject this bullshit liberal blackmail.
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Posted by: using on Jun 19, 2008 8:28 AM
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the Republicans win... it is two steps backwards from a balanced economy.
the Democrats win -- we have (with Clinton as proof) had a 2 steps forward in the form of a strong, short-term economy and two steps backward in the long term by nailing down programs like NAFTA that helped break the back of our hard working middle class.
It seems to me:
if we elect a Republican this time around -- they will most probably accept it as a mandate and move in for the kill.
if we elect a Democrat this time around --
at the very least, they will have to work with us a little.
So folks, as far as I can see, the answer appears to be: it is in our own best interest to elect a democrat -- and not allow ourselves to be lulled into a sense of security - but watch him like a hawk, while creating a strong union of citizenry that support decisions which move us towards the kind of change that does not allow one class to strip the others of the opportunity to work for "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".
I greatly respect Ms. Klein, her insight and her writings. However, I am wondering what she thinks, under the circumstances, our options are? And how we can work together towards forcing the rebalancing of our governmental structure?
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Posted by: pete1029 on Jun 19, 2008 9:02 AM
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I have just always seen it as a blatant hypocrisy by many on the left to think that society and the personal lives of individuals work best when the government does not intervene, however on the other hand they believe that the market and economy work best when the government does control it. And conservatives also suffer for the inverse hypocrisy.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 19, 2008 9:50 AM
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BUT TOOK THE GLOVES OFF FOR KUCINICH??
wake up.
Obama is not your Great Hope.
...your RIGHTS TO PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY & FREE SPEECH are your BEATING HEART OF DEMOCRACY...
but Americans are so starry-eyed over OBAMA, they're letting their RIGHTS swirl down the drain while they chant, "YES, WE CAN!"
...until a corporation is inconvenienced & you WILL be silenced.
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Posted by: IggyReed on Jun 19, 2008 10:43 AM
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Investors also increase their wealth by monopolizing the work of others. If I invest and increase my wealth, I didn’t add a single thing to the world myself. I’ve increased my wealth by monopolizing the work of someone else that works in the company I’ve invested in. That, because it is the basis of capitalism, is not “theft” according to people like you. I think it is. Either way, it isn’t honest or logically sound to say that taking back some of that wealth creation is the government stealing from that person. They’re simply taken back what was never theirs, correcting an imperfection in the economic system. Ecological costs, which are large and growing, are COMPLETELY missing in the pricing mechanism and national indices. This is another huge problem, something economists like Herman Daly have been talking about for a while. Again, correcting this imperfection would involve the government.
Then there’s the issue of democracy. In today’s globalized world if a country chooses a set of policies that investors don’t like the investors simply take their money out of the country, causing that country’s economy to collapse. Investors have this power now more than any time since pre-Depression America. If you do believe in both democracy and the free market you do have a really tough choice to make, excuse the left if they happen to chose democracy and not one dollar one vote. We are, after all, only doing what’s in OUR (about 2/3’s of the world) best interest, and you certainly couldn’t fault us for that. Look at the Breton Woods negotiations right after WWII and tell me that this “globalization” process is inevitable. Every representative there, including the US’s and Britain’s, were STRONGLY in favor of things like capital controls and they thought those controls should be permanent. Kennedy said that the idea that financial interests should undermine the government ability to provide social services was “absurd”. Keynes himself foresaw many of the problems of today regarding debt and devised a plan to stop that danger. He was only stopped by elite financial interests and there’s no way in hell if people understood the issue at hand that they would have or would now side with the bankers’ position.
I don’t mean to ramble on, I’m just fed up with the cliché comments I hear about government’s intrusion into the market from the “free market” folk. I’ve seen no evidence what so ever that the “free market” people can differentiate between theory and the reality that the theory creates, and I’ve seen little evidence that they can even spot the fact that so called “free trade” today has nothing to with the free trade they teach in school.
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Posted by: vivachavez on Jun 19, 2008 11:35 AM
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There is no ideological inconsistency in desiring the government to take greater control of the market and wanting the government to not intervene in the private lives of citizens.
Markets are social creations occurring in the public sphere, whereas people's private lives are just that private, and the Constitution guarantees the protection of personal liberty.
No one's freedom is restrained by the existence of a government that spends more money on domestic- non military expenses and reigns in the excesses of capitalism. Freedom is rightly considered the condition of being free and unfettered in one's thought, speech, writing, association, marriage, and ability to terminate a pregnancy.
Where the right-wing got the absurd notion that freedom also means the existence of an unencumbered money making, environmentally destructive, social creation, I do not know.
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Posted by: mebs81 on Jun 19, 2008 11:49 AM
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The irony of course is that we live in the world's largest, most diverse economy precisley because our government was (for a time) restricted by the constitution to subsidize, regulate, inflate and muck up the free exchange of goods and services. Capitalism today is a mere shell of its former shadow and it will continue get a bad rap as long as the government remains intensely involved in all things economic. Kinda like the Soviet Union.
And here we are today, wimpering and yammering for MORE regulation, higher taxes, especially on the "windfall profits" (impossible to define) of "evil corporations" (like the one that made your PC?). Even better, the left is worried - "Say it ain't so!" - that Obama might sympathize with a philosophy that has afforded us the highest standrad of living in the world (wouldn't lose any sleep over that btw, he's in LOVE with regulation). Talk about captor syndrome!
Try reading up on the Austrian School of Economics, notably Ludwig von Mises. You'll be glad you did.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 19, 2008 1:42 PM
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Basically Phillps says we're screwed. There are things--such as re-regualtion of the financial, securities and banking sector--which may ameliorate this country's looming economic collapse, but not much. Harvard School of Business MBAs in their ultimate wisdom have hollowed out America's industrial base in favor of financialization, and no national economy can survive on merely moving money round to make more money.
Sorry.......
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Naomi Klein is right,to fear the influence of the Chicago school on Obama.I'm glad that he has a very good Keynesian on his team,but I wouldn't bet on any progressive economomist winning the battle for influence.
In some ways though,this article merely updates what we already know..that The Democrats ,are politically bankrupt,and their policies are far short of what is needed to save America.The poor will get screwed,there will be an insufficient raise in the minimum wage,there won't a socialised health system,ceos will still get paid several hundred times more than a fire-fighter (a vile insult,if ever there was one),the environment too (but maybe slightly less than under flip-flop McCain),and the troops will stay where they are not wanted.
This latter policy,is a good illustration of corporate control,in the USA today.Iraq will have a US military prescence because all the big companies see Iraq as the current, biggest, potential market in the world today,and a source to fuel the dying embers of US petrol addiction.
The big boys will still be in power,if their is a Democrat in the Whitehouse.Even Rupert 'Mr Burns'Murdoch has been saying nice things about Obama,that shows how unradical the presidential candidate is.
When Murdoch backed Bob Hawke in Australia and Tony Blair in the UK,it was taken as read, that these two, would be the most free market and right wing labour leaders, their countries have ever had.
This support was tactically astute on Murdoch's part,as their respective election victories, and subsequent ditching of social-democracy, destroyed much of the parties former radicalism.This ensured a cementing of right wing economics,for the foreseeable future.The centre ground is now quite right wing.
American liberals/leftists and centrists, need to psychologically move beyond, their belief in The Democratic Party.
Not voting,seems to be the best alternative,hand in hand with the formation of a new radical party,which is tied to progressive values,belief in the constitution,and actually representing the people,not the unelected business interests.
A Democrat victory in November will merely neuter the growing anger,and desire for real democracy and fairness in America.
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Posted by: lorenbliss on Jun 19, 2008 9:29 PM
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But even if RFK had not been murdered, his presidency might have been too little too late.
The Democrats had already demonstrated their mastery of stealth fascism. It became their identifying characteristic in 1964, when Lyndon Baines Johnson disguised himself as the peace candidate, and once in office -- literally only hours after his inauguration -- gave the orders that contrived the Gulf of Tonkin incident and began the Vietnam War.
Those of us who saw what was happening -- mostly working press folks -- began to suspect LBJ's peace-candidate disguise had been the greatest election fraud in U.S. history, that Goldwater's rabid warmongering may well have been nothing more than a red herring.
But nobody could find the proverbial smoking gun (or even a spent cartridge case that still smelled of freshly-burned powder), and the perpetrators (which in this instance should be spelled “perpetraitors”) all went unpunished.
Thus, predictably, the Democrats have ambushed us in every election they’ve won since then.
Carter convinced us he was not a theocrat -- never mind that forcible imposition of theocracy is a key part of the Southern Baptist agenda -- but once in office smirkingly betrayed the entire cause of reproductive freedom, granting his fellow theocrats a permanent ban on all federal funding for abortions.
The Clintons rode to victory on the concerns of U.S. workers but immediately began outsourcing most of our jobs, stealing our paychecks via NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and WTO, and effectively spitting in our faces ("I feel your pain") when we protested. The Clintons also destroyed what little remained of the socioeconomic safety net, flinging millions of impoverished families into circumstances that now amidst runaway fuel prices and worsening economic collapse amount to deliberate euthanasia by neglect and deprivation.
And what of the Clinton’s effort at health care reform? Could any such skilled and sophisticated political operatives have so thoroughly botched anything save by conscious intent? Perhaps the result -- that the achievement of single-payer healthcare in the U.S. is now obstructed forever -- was part of their own hidden agenda all along. Perhaps that’s why the health insurance industry -- the Sultans of Sick -- have since rewarded the Clintons with such unprecedented generosity.
A close observer of U.S. politics since the 1950s -- the Democratic Party's craven betrayal of the New Deal actually began during its cowardly submission to the McCarthy purges -- I concluded long ago that our two-party system is exactly like the Ku Klux Klan: some members, analogous to the Republicans, flaunt their sheets and eye-holed pillow-cases at cross-burnings and in public; they make no secret of their passions for theocracy and fascism. Other members, analogous to the Democrats, pretend fealty to the principles of justice even as they keep their sheets and pillowcases in closeted readiness.
In other words, the only differences between Democrats and Republicans are rhetorical differences. The GOPorkers boast openly of their intent to enslave and oppress, while the DemocRats promise us liberty but like the Republicans invariably afflict us with slavery and oppression instead.
The bottom line -- virtually proven by the appointment of Wal-Mart’s fanatical apologist Jason Furman -- is that Obama promises to be as much a snake as any other Democrat. I will vote for him nonetheless, but only by the reflex that prompts me (though I already know the car battery is hopelessly dead), to press the starter button one last time.
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If Obama keeps this idiocity up, he can very well end up LOSING AS MANY AS 50 STATES to Mccain come November and don't even think about blaming Nader !
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Posted by: yellow on Jun 21, 2008 1:19 PM
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Price competition is not a systematic feature of late capitalism as price wars will hurt profits and an inability to meet high fixed costs creating lowered investment, unemployment and recession. Market concentration occurs not so much through price competition but through swings in the business cycle and recessions that lead to mergers and the growth in the average size of the business corporation in a given set of industries.
Since capitalist production takes place without any necessary consideration of the limits of the market it leads to over-capacity (over accumulation of capital) and frenzied efforts to clear markets in order to support prices, profits and the expansion of business activity. Efforts to stem a falling average rate of profit due to overproduction involve less price cutting, which cuts profits more than it expands further market sales, than increased investment in the "sales effort" through advertizing, government deficit spending on business contracts, particularly the military, and on mass consumption as well as the rapid expansion of consumer credit to sustain growth and clear inventory often without reducing prices. In recent times such credit has been driven by stock market and housing market bubbles. The chronic stagnation of late capitalism leads to various financial efforts to sustain the system in the face of low consumer demand. The current instability seen in the US economy today is the consequence of this problem.
Thus, the return of stagflation can not be considered a monetary function or consequence of low real interest rates and excess money in circulation. Until recently, monetary aggregates have risen in proportion to economic growth. The largest monetary aggregate, M-3, contains many non-liquid finanical assets having long time horizens for maturity and thus can be considered savings more than credit or money. Stagflation seems to be the rigidity of monopoly pricing due to high fixed costs and barriers to market entry for potential new competitors, high input costs such as energy, low price elasticity of demand (oil and grain) and market concentration along with low demand and economic growth causing a fall off in investment, recession, unemployment and a falling rate of profit.
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Posted by: pdxstudent on Jun 21, 2008 3:49 PM
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If you want to know what's going wrong, this is the best way.
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Posted by: wagadog on Jun 22, 2008 7:06 AM
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I suggest sarcasm and ridicule.
As a University of Chicago alumna, I usually respond to their requests for money with the statement that they can have it all -- as soon as they have full equity, full parity, in women physical science faculty at all levels, and in all departments. This means fully 50% of their geophysics and mathematics senior faculty and professors emerita are female. Ain't gonna happen, but it has prompted them to at least put more female faces in their appeals to the alumni for funding of the Physical Sciences Division.
Last month, however, I received some even more disgusting news than The University of Chicago's flouting of Title IX's requirements for equitable treatment of women in science for a full 35 years.
Robert J. Zimmer writes to the alumnae and alumni with this:
Today, the University announced the establishment of the Milton Friedman Institute, following the recommendations of a faculty committee and discussions with appropriate faculty bodies....
He goes on to praise Milton Friedman for like four paragraphs, including:
Milton Friedman's intellectual fearlessness, commitment to rigorous analysis...
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The Milton Friedman Institute will occupy buildings that currently house the Chicago Theological Seminary
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The University's financial commitment to the Institute will be in the range of $200 million...
First of all, why the hell are they subsidizing this at all -- when the point they're trying to make is that the market should determine whether institutions live or die? Why don't they just have a fucking bake sale, try to raise their two hundred mil that way?
Second of all, in the Theological Seminary building? That's like sacrilege.
My response was thus:
Dear Robert J. Zimmer
Why don't you use some of that money to commission a statue commemorating Milton Friedman's accomplishments?
Why, perhaps it depict Chilean torture victims circa 1973-82 writhing in the agony of their death, to illustrate the human cost of the policy recommendations arising from Milton Friedman's "intellectual rigor."
Perhaps you could call it rigor mortise.
And how fitting to put the name of a 20th Century Torquemada on the Seminary buildings.
Have a nice day, Bob.
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Posted by: maxfactor on Jun 22, 2008 10:20 AM
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At least he did not serve on the Walmartboard.
Thanks Ms. Klein - I hope more people will read your books - real eyeopeners for many.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jun 25, 2008 2:23 AM
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#1: so-called "capitalism" or "free markets" have been a joke since Fascist robber barons took over America with their Orwellian private monopoly "Federal Reserve" Corp in 1913.
It's called FASCISM where "Capitalism", "Free Markets" and "democracy" DO NOT EXIST except as propaganda slogans.
Naomi Kleins' screed is an empty bit of dogma fluff for the gullible. And Obama is a corporate monopoly Stepford drone with marching orders supplied by the ruling class that funded most of his campaign with ersatz "war on terror", etc. His advisors are virtually all old, handpicked CFR hacks.
You want to talk economists (i.e. hack soothsayers)? Here are a few of the scant quotes worth knowing from any of the lot.
“The process by which banks create money [out of nothing] is so simple that the mind is repelled…The study of money, above all other fields is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or evade truth, not to reveal it.”
John Kenneth Galbraith (renowned economist Quote 1975. 1908-2006)
“The Federal Reserve System is a legal private monopoly of the money supply operated for the benefit of the few under the guise of protecting and promoting the public interest."
Anthony Sutton (Professor Economics at CSU and research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. 1925-2002)
“Absolute power and lack of accountability by the Fed are generally defended on one ground alone: that any change would weaken the Federal Reserve’s allegedly inflexible commitment to wage a seemingly “permanent” fight against inflation. This is the Johnny-one-note of the Fed’s defense of its unbridled power… The Fed, far from being the indispensable solution to inflation is the heart and cause of the problem.”
Murray Rothbard (Austrian school economist and historian. From the “Case Against the Fed” 1994)
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Posted by: Dianka on Jun 26, 2008 3:52 PM
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Workfare/welfare-reform is actually a spider's web of interrelated policies that are changing the whole of the American workforce. Government provides companies with financial "incentives" to use workfare temp labor, and workfare workers need never fear being unemployed. It is to every company's advantage to break family-supporting jobs into part time, bottom wage jobs, further decreasing their costs. (Not that they're selfish. The intent is to give Americans more free time, to teach better money management skills, and to teach us how to appreciate the simple things in life.)
Inevitably, a number of the newly laid off are left with no choice but to become workfare labor, too, if only as their only means of obtaining health care for their children. This has steadily increased the pool of super-cheap labor.
Workfare continues to be a powerful tool not only for for suppressing wages, but for crushing unions, relieving workers of the stress caused by disruptive labor strikes.
It's a new day in America.
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Obama's team had better have some pretty radical answers, on the order of a "New Deal" in programs and restructuring because "business as usual" will mean absolute financial failure, with no second term for Obama. There will be no time for second guessing so they'd better get it right the first time and given their Chicago bloodlines that looks very 'iffy' indeed.
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So, not surprisingly, the race/gender dilemma was always a smokescreen, shrewdly contrived to make the electorate believe true change was on the horizon. I always had my doubts. Now, in light of Naomi Klein's article, I'm convinced: If you vote for either major party's candidate this fall, you get to pick your poison.
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jun 19, 2008 6:38 AM
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No Democrat running for president has won the male vote since 1964. White men, about 40 percent of the electorate, prefer McCain over Obama, 55 percent to 35 percent.
The NBC/WSJ pollsters said, "Pluralities of white male voters say they don't like Senator Obama and don't relate to his background and perceived values. In contrast, by a 2-to-1 ratio, they express positive views of Senator McCain and identify with his background and values."
So there you have it. Klein doesn't have to worry about Obama perpetuating the neoliberal policies that hurt avg Joe/Jane (white or colored). Thanks to white male voters, McPain will continue the elites agenda.
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Posted by: perkywa on Jun 19, 2008 6:48 AM
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Who better to "close the deal" on Globalism then the slick snake oil salesman ugly globalist step-child O-BOMB-A?
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 19, 2008 7:12 AM
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Hurry up and Bend over...( ! )..!
I voting against McCain, not for Obama..
I was for Edwards but the Democrats blew it..!
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jun 19, 2008 7:22 AM
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However, with repespect to the economy, we have no hope. Both democrats and repugs worship the same devil i.e. the free market.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 19, 2008 7:49 AM
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I am all for the Free market- let people be able to offer their 'wares' and compete for customers by providing a better product.
Capitalism is far different- it is based on Cutthroat tactics to undermine the competition
Corportionism is based on eliminating All competition and holding the Market hostage, by being the Only game in town- esp in essential resources.A tactic which makes US endentured and enslaved by the fact of necessity.
Another area I will be listening for from Sen Obama. I will vote for him in Nov- but I will reserve the right to continue evaluating His performance throughtout his Presidency.No future President Should EVER claim a mandate, it's a confession of their Blind Ambitions and potential for Abuse of Power.
Convicting this Admin on their numerous Crimes would send that message loud and clear!
Another area He has failed to speak Loudly enough about.
But then again when even your Primary Opponent is willing to suggest asssasination - you may want to keep some of your thoughts and intentions close to the vest.
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Posted by: droscify on Jun 19, 2008 7:50 AM
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Point is, at some point those who truly want to change these circumstances need to take some fucking responsibility and maybe act accordingly. None of this would of happened had our collective society not allowed it to happen, and I personally don't know a solitary soul who has not in some way benefited from our corpoarate funded infrastructure. If this is something that we truly want to see a shift in, perhaps we should stop cast stones from our own glass houses. Truth be told, most of us shop at corporate outlets, purchase gas, and food, and clothes from this infrastructure. It is not impossible to be independent of such devices, but we as a society have forgotten this. At the same time we bemoan politicians who operate within its framework to change things for the better. So if you disagree with how our infrastructure is operating, I suggest revolution as an alternative. Otherwise, I believe you benefit from exactly what you decry.
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Posted by: using on Jun 19, 2008 8:28 AM
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the Republicans win... it is two steps backwards from a balanced economy.
the Democrats win -- we have (with Clinton as proof) had a 2 steps forward in the form of a strong, short-term economy and two steps backward in the long term by nailing down programs like NAFTA that helped break the back of our hard working middle class.
It seems to me:
if we elect a Republican this time around -- they will most probably accept it as a mandate and move in for the kill.
if we elect a Democrat this time around --
at the very least, they will have to work with us a little.
So folks, as far as I can see, the answer appears to be: it is in our own best interest to elect a democrat -- and not allow ourselves to be lulled into a sense of security - but watch him like a hawk, while creating a strong union of citizenry that support decisions which move us towards the kind of change that does not allow one class to strip the others of the opportunity to work for "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".
I greatly respect Ms. Klein, her insight and her writings. However, I am wondering what she thinks, under the circumstances, our options are? And how we can work together towards forcing the rebalancing of our governmental structure?
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I have just always seen it as a blatant hypocrisy by many on the left to think that society and the personal lives of individuals work best when the government does not intervene, however on the other hand they believe that the market and economy work best when the government does control it. And conservatives also suffer for the inverse hypocrisy.
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BUT TOOK THE GLOVES OFF FOR KUCINICH??
wake up.
Obama is not your Great Hope.
...your RIGHTS TO PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY & FREE SPEECH are your BEATING HEART OF DEMOCRACY...
but Americans are so starry-eyed over OBAMA, they're letting their RIGHTS swirl down the drain while they chant, "YES, WE CAN!"
...until a corporation is inconvenienced & you WILL be silenced.
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Posted by: IggyReed on Jun 19, 2008 10:43 AM
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Investors also increase their wealth by monopolizing the work of others. If I invest and increase my wealth, I didn’t add a single thing to the world myself. I’ve increased my wealth by monopolizing the work of someone else that works in the company I’ve invested in. That, because it is the basis of capitalism, is not “theft” according to people like you. I think it is. Either way, it isn’t honest or logically sound to say that taking back some of that wealth creation is the government stealing from that person. They’re simply taken back what was never theirs, correcting an imperfection in the economic system. Ecological costs, which are large and growing, are COMPLETELY missing in the pricing mechanism and national indices. This is another huge problem, something economists like Herman Daly have been talking about for a while. Again, correcting this imperfection would involve the government.
Then there’s the issue of democracy. In today’s globalized world if a country chooses a set of policies that investors don’t like the investors simply take their money out of the country, causing that country’s economy to collapse. Investors have this power now more than any time since pre-Depression America. If you do believe in both democracy and the free market you do have a really tough choice to make, excuse the left if they happen to chose democracy and not one dollar one vote. We are, after all, only doing what’s in OUR (about 2/3’s of the world) best interest, and you certainly couldn’t fault us for that. Look at the Breton Woods negotiations right after WWII and tell me that this “globalization” process is inevitable. Every representative there, including the US’s and Britain’s, were STRONGLY in favor of things like capital controls and they thought those controls should be permanent. Kennedy said that the idea that financial interests should undermine the government ability to provide social services was “absurd”. Keynes himself foresaw many of the problems of today regarding debt and devised a plan to stop that danger. He was only stopped by elite financial interests and there’s no way in hell if people understood the issue at hand that they would have or would now side with the bankers’ position.
I don’t mean to ramble on, I’m just fed up with the cliché comments I hear about government’s intrusion into the market from the “free market” folk. I’ve seen no evidence what so ever that the “free market” people can differentiate between theory and the reality that the theory creates, and I’ve seen little evidence that they can even spot the fact that so called “free trade” today has nothing to with the free trade they teach in school.
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Posted by: vivachavez on Jun 19, 2008 11:35 AM
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There is no ideological inconsistency in desiring the government to take greater control of the market and wanting the government to not intervene in the private lives of citizens.
Markets are social creations occurring in the public sphere, whereas people's private lives are just that private, and the Constitution guarantees the protection of personal liberty.
No one's freedom is restrained by the existence of a government that spends more money on domestic- non military expenses and reigns in the excesses of capitalism. Freedom is rightly considered the condition of being free and unfettered in one's thought, speech, writing, association, marriage, and ability to terminate a pregnancy.
Where the right-wing got the absurd notion that freedom also means the existence of an unencumbered money making, environmentally destructive, social creation, I do not know.
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The irony of course is that we live in the world's largest, most diverse economy precisley because our government was (for a time) restricted by the constitution to subsidize, regulate, inflate and muck up the free exchange of goods and services. Capitalism today is a mere shell of its former shadow and it will continue get a bad rap as long as the government remains intensely involved in all things economic. Kinda like the Soviet Union.
And here we are today, wimpering and yammering for MORE regulation, higher taxes, especially on the "windfall profits" (impossible to define) of "evil corporations" (like the one that made your PC?). Even better, the left is worried - "Say it ain't so!" - that Obama might sympathize with a philosophy that has afforded us the highest standrad of living in the world (wouldn't lose any sleep over that btw, he's in LOVE with regulation). Talk about captor syndrome!
Try reading up on the Austrian School of Economics, notably Ludwig von Mises. You'll be glad you did.
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» I read Ludwig Von Mises. It was nonsense. Keynes, on the other hand, had his ass sewn on right.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 19, 2008 1:42 PM
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Basically Phillps says we're screwed. There are things--such as re-regualtion of the financial, securities and banking sector--which may ameliorate this country's looming economic collapse, but not much. Harvard School of Business MBAs in their ultimate wisdom have hollowed out America's industrial base in favor of financialization, and no national economy can survive on merely moving money round to make more money.
Sorry.......
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Naomi Klein is right,to fear the influence of the Chicago school on Obama.I'm glad that he has a very good Keynesian on his team,but I wouldn't bet on any progressive economomist winning the battle for influence.
In some ways though,this article merely updates what we already know..that The Democrats ,are politically bankrupt,and their policies are far short of what is needed to save America.The poor will get screwed,there will be an insufficient raise in the minimum wage,there won't a socialised health system,ceos will still get paid several hundred times more than a fire-fighter (a vile insult,if ever there was one),the environment too (but maybe slightly less than under flip-flop McCain),and the troops will stay where they are not wanted.
This latter policy,is a good illustration of corporate control,in the USA today.Iraq will have a US military prescence because all the big companies see Iraq as the current, biggest, potential market in the world today,and a source to fuel the dying embers of US petrol addiction.
The big boys will still be in power,if their is a Democrat in the Whitehouse.Even Rupert 'Mr Burns'Murdoch has been saying nice things about Obama,that shows how unradical the presidential candidate is.
When Murdoch backed Bob Hawke in Australia and Tony Blair in the UK,it was taken as read, that these two, would be the most free market and right wing labour leaders, their countries have ever had.
This support was tactically astute on Murdoch's part,as their respective election victories, and subsequent ditching of social-democracy, destroyed much of the parties former radicalism.This ensured a cementing of right wing economics,for the foreseeable future.The centre ground is now quite right wing.
American liberals/leftists and centrists, need to psychologically move beyond, their belief in The Democratic Party.
Not voting,seems to be the best alternative,hand in hand with the formation of a new radical party,which is tied to progressive values,belief in the constitution,and actually representing the people,not the unelected business interests.
A Democrat victory in November will merely neuter the growing anger,and desire for real democracy and fairness in America.
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Posted by: lorenbliss on Jun 19, 2008 9:29 PM
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But even if RFK had not been murdered, his presidency might have been too little too late.
The Democrats had already demonstrated their mastery of stealth fascism. It became their identifying characteristic in 1964, when Lyndon Baines Johnson disguised himself as the peace candidate, and once in office -- literally only hours after his inauguration -- gave the orders that contrived the Gulf of Tonkin incident and began the Vietnam War.
Those of us who saw what was happening -- mostly working press folks -- began to suspect LBJ's peace-candidate disguise had been the greatest election fraud in U.S. history, that Goldwater's rabid warmongering may well have been nothing more than a red herring.
But nobody could find the proverbial smoking gun (or even a spent cartridge case that still smelled of freshly-burned powder), and the perpetrators (which in this instance should be spelled “perpetraitors”) all went unpunished.
Thus, predictably, the Democrats have ambushed us in every election they’ve won since then.
Carter convinced us he was not a theocrat -- never mind that forcible imposition of theocracy is a key part of the Southern Baptist agenda -- but once in office smirkingly betrayed the entire cause of reproductive freedom, granting his fellow theocrats a permanent ban on all federal funding for abortions.
The Clintons rode to victory on the concerns of U.S. workers but immediately began outsourcing most of our jobs, stealing our paychecks via NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and WTO, and effectively spitting in our faces ("I feel your pain") when we protested. The Clintons also destroyed what little remained of the socioeconomic safety net, flinging millions of impoverished families into circumstances that now amidst runaway fuel prices and worsening economic collapse amount to deliberate euthanasia by neglect and deprivation.
And what of the Clinton’s effort at health care reform? Could any such skilled and sophisticated political operatives have so thoroughly botched anything save by conscious intent? Perhaps the result -- that the achievement of single-payer healthcare in the U.S. is now obstructed forever -- was part of their own hidden agenda all along. Perhaps that’s why the health insurance industry -- the Sultans of Sick -- have since rewarded the Clintons with such unprecedented generosity.
A close observer of U.S. politics since the 1950s -- the Democratic Party's craven betrayal of the New Deal actually began during its cowardly submission to the McCarthy purges -- I concluded long ago that our two-party system is exactly like the Ku Klux Klan: some members, analogous to the Republicans, flaunt their sheets and eye-holed pillow-cases at cross-burnings and in public; they make no secret of their passions for theocracy and fascism. Other members, analogous to the Democrats, pretend fealty to the principles of justice even as they keep their sheets and pillowcases in closeted readiness.
In other words, the only differences between Democrats and Republicans are rhetorical differences. The GOPorkers boast openly of their intent to enslave and oppress, while the DemocRats promise us liberty but like the Republicans invariably afflict us with slavery and oppression instead.
The bottom line -- virtually proven by the appointment of Wal-Mart’s fanatical apologist Jason Furman -- is that Obama promises to be as much a snake as any other Democrat. I will vote for him nonetheless, but only by the reflex that prompts me (though I already know the car battery is hopelessly dead), to press the starter button one last time.
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If Obama keeps this idiocity up, he can very well end up LOSING AS MANY AS 50 STATES to Mccain come November and don't even think about blaming Nader !
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Price competition is not a systematic feature of late capitalism as price wars will hurt profits and an inability to meet high fixed costs creating lowered investment, unemployment and recession. Market concentration occurs not so much through price competition but through swings in the business cycle and recessions that lead to mergers and the growth in the average size of the business corporation in a given set of industries.
Since capitalist production takes place without any necessary consideration of the limits of the market it leads to over-capacity (over accumulation of capital) and frenzied efforts to clear markets in order to support prices, profits and the expansion of business activity. Efforts to stem a falling average rate of profit due to overproduction involve less price cutting, which cuts profits more than it expands further market sales, than increased investment in the "sales effort" through advertizing, government deficit spending on business contracts, particularly the military, and on mass consumption as well as the rapid expansion of consumer credit to sustain growth and clear inventory often without reducing prices. In recent times such credit has been driven by stock market and housing market bubbles. The chronic stagnation of late capitalism leads to various financial efforts to sustain the system in the face of low consumer demand. The current instability seen in the US economy today is the consequence of this problem.
Thus, the return of stagflation can not be considered a monetary function or consequence of low real interest rates and excess money in circulation. Until recently, monetary aggregates have risen in proportion to economic growth. The largest monetary aggregate, M-3, contains many non-liquid finanical assets having long time horizens for maturity and thus can be considered savings more than credit or money. Stagflation seems to be the rigidity of monopoly pricing due to high fixed costs and barriers to market entry for potential new competitors, high input costs such as energy, low price elasticity of demand (oil and grain) and market concentration along with low demand and economic growth causing a fall off in investment, recession, unemployment and a falling rate of profit.
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» This agrees well with basic business theory
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Posted by: pdxstudent on Jun 21, 2008 3:49 PM
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If you want to know what's going wrong, this is the best way.
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Posted by: wagadog on Jun 22, 2008 7:06 AM
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I suggest sarcasm and ridicule.
As a University of Chicago alumna, I usually respond to their requests for money with the statement that they can have it all -- as soon as they have full equity, full parity, in women physical science faculty at all levels, and in all departments. This means fully 50% of their geophysics and mathematics senior faculty and professors emerita are female. Ain't gonna happen, but it has prompted them to at least put more female faces in their appeals to the alumni for funding of the Physical Sciences Division.
Last month, however, I received some even more disgusting news than The University of Chicago's flouting of Title IX's requirements for equitable treatment of women in science for a full 35 years.
Robert J. Zimmer writes to the alumnae and alumni with this:
Today, the University announced the establishment of the Milton Friedman Institute, following the recommendations of a faculty committee and discussions with appropriate faculty bodies....
He goes on to praise Milton Friedman for like four paragraphs, including:
Milton Friedman's intellectual fearlessness, commitment to rigorous analysis...
and
The Milton Friedman Institute will occupy buildings that currently house the Chicago Theological Seminary
and
The University's financial commitment to the Institute will be in the range of $200 million...
First of all, why the hell are they subsidizing this at all -- when the point they're trying to make is that the market should determine whether institutions live or die? Why don't they just have a fucking bake sale, try to raise their two hundred mil that way?
Second of all, in the Theological Seminary building? That's like sacrilege.
My response was thus:
Dear Robert J. Zimmer
Why don't you use some of that money to commission a statue commemorating Milton Friedman's accomplishments?
Why, perhaps it depict Chilean torture victims circa 1973-82 writhing in the agony of their death, to illustrate the human cost of the policy recommendations arising from Milton Friedman's "intellectual rigor."
Perhaps you could call it rigor mortise.
And how fitting to put the name of a 20th Century Torquemada on the Seminary buildings.
Have a nice day, Bob.
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Posted by: maxfactor on Jun 22, 2008 10:20 AM
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At least he did not serve on the Walmartboard.
Thanks Ms. Klein - I hope more people will read your books - real eyeopeners for many.
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Posted by: seanT on Jun 23, 2008 3:47 AM
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jun 25, 2008 2:23 AM
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#1: so-called "capitalism" or "free markets" have been a joke since Fascist robber barons took over America with their Orwellian private monopoly "Federal Reserve" Corp in 1913.
It's called FASCISM where "Capitalism", "Free Markets" and "democracy" DO NOT EXIST except as propaganda slogans.
Naomi Kleins' screed is an empty bit of dogma fluff for the gullible. And Obama is a corporate monopoly Stepford drone with marching orders supplied by the ruling class that funded most of his campaign with ersatz "war on terror", etc. His advisors are virtually all old, handpicked CFR hacks.
You want to talk economists (i.e. hack soothsayers)? Here are a few of the scant quotes worth knowing from any of the lot.
“The process by which banks create money [out of nothing] is so simple that the mind is repelled…The study of money, above all other fields is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or evade truth, not to reveal it.”
John Kenneth Galbraith (renowned economist Quote 1975. 1908-2006)
“The Federal Reserve System is a legal private monopoly of the money supply operated for the benefit of the few under the guise of protecting and promoting the public interest."
Anthony Sutton (Professor Economics at CSU and research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. 1925-2002)
“Absolute power and lack of accountability by the Fed are generally defended on one ground alone: that any change would weaken the Federal Reserve’s allegedly inflexible commitment to wage a seemingly “permanent” fight against inflation. This is the Johnny-one-note of the Fed’s defense of its unbridled power… The Fed, far from being the indispensable solution to inflation is the heart and cause of the problem.”
Murray Rothbard (Austrian school economist and historian. From the “Case Against the Fed” 1994)
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» I think yellow's description of the Fed is more substantive
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» Er, I should have said:
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Posted by: Dianka on Jun 26, 2008 3:52 PM
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Workfare/welfare-reform is actually a spider's web of interrelated policies that are changing the whole of the American workforce. Government provides companies with financial "incentives" to use workfare temp labor, and workfare workers need never fear being unemployed. It is to every company's advantage to break family-supporting jobs into part time, bottom wage jobs, further decreasing their costs. (Not that they're selfish. The intent is to give Americans more free time, to teach better money management skills, and to teach us how to appreciate the simple things in life.)
Inevitably, a number of the newly laid off are left with no choice but to become workfare labor, too, if only as their only means of obtaining health care for their children. This has steadily increased the pool of super-cheap labor.
Workfare continues to be a powerful tool not only for for suppressing wages, but for crushing unions, relieving workers of the stress caused by disruptive labor strikes.
It's a new day in America.
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