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Election 2008

Hillary's Pivotal Role: Help Obama or Let Him Twist in the Wind?

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted June 11, 2008.


Clinton must choose between two loyalties: party and self.
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Well, Hillary Clinton is finally out of the race. Sort of. Her campaign is suspended, and her hopes for 2008 are officially over, sort of, meaning it's now appropriate, sort of, to reflect upon the meaning of her run for office this year.

And that, folks, is already saying something -- the fact that it's not time to write a political obituary for Clinton. Had she lost in New Hampshire this year and then bowed out of the race -- and she came within a few percentage points of having that scenario unfold -- she most likely would have been finished as a presidential hopeful for good.

But she stayed in it, amazingly, fighting off four or five near-death experiences to remain a viable candidate. The mere fact that she survived New Hampshire, and Nevada, and Super Tuesday, and Texas, and all of those other fail-safe points earlier on in the race is incredible enough; she could have bowed out at any time after those primaries and it would still have been an amazing run.

But in one of the weirder episodes in the history of American presidential politics, she stayed in it long after the math had already been decided (which was basically after the Potomac primaries) in Barack Obama's favor, with the result that we now enter the general election season looking at an almost unheard-of triangular scenario: The American electorate is now basically split into thirds, and how Clinton proceeds from here will shape the future of all three groups.

If Clinton sits out the general election season, or campaigns halfheartedly for Obama, and John McCain wins, she becomes the automatic front-runner for the Democratic ticket in 2012.

Clinton, of course, must be aware of this calculus and as such is faced with an unprecedented moral/ethical choice heading into the fall. If she campaigns hard for Obama and helps pull all of her disaffected voters back onto the Democratic ticket, Obama will probably win this thing in a landslide. If she pulls a slowdown, however, and a big chunk of her voters sit this one out or vote for McCain, it will greatly enhance her own prospects for the presidency four years later.

Clinton, therefore, must choose between two loyalties: party and self. Depending on how one looks at things, one might even say the choice is between country and self. Assuming that one believes the differences between a Republican presidency and a Democratic presidency would be profound, Clinton now must decide if she thinks that the country would be better off suffering through four years of McCain before getting a shot at putting her own excellent, experienced self in the Oval Office, or whether it would be better off putting a man whose platform is almost identical to her own in there right away.

Anyone who thinks that should be an easy choice -- that the "right" thing to do is obviously to put party over self, and not only help Obama get elected but help strip the Republicans of power -- is kidding himself or herself. The American presidency is the biggest prize on the planet Earth. Should a beaten and fatigued Obama fall even one vote short in a race against a very old and very flawed Republican candidate, Clinton suddenly becomes about a 1-3 Vegas favorite for the Big Seat four years from now.

Ask yourself how hard you'd stump for a once-loathed rival in that scenario. Better yet, ask your friendly neighborhood psychiatrist how easy it would be for a woman who has suffered as much public abuse and humiliation as Clinton has over the last few decades to rationalize the many subtle forms of sabotage that are now open to her with regard to Obama's campaign, should she choose to go that route.

As this increasingly strange campaign season unfolded, I often had people ask me what the hell Clinton was doing. Particularly after the Potomac primaries, the actual motives of Clinton for continuing on and punching holes in the presumptive Democratic nominee as she did seemed to many of us campaign reporters to be a genuine, Agatha Christie-worthy mystery.

At first, I didn't have an answer for anyone who asked that question. But as time wore on, and I started to get more letters and read more internet postings, I thought I was starting to grasp the bigger picture. The only way that Clinton's behavior back then makes any sense at all, ethical or otherwise, is if she viewed her political career purely through the prism of feminist achievement, i.e., as a way to provide inspiration to every qualified woman who was ever asked or expected to step aside in life for the sake of a man.


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Feminism vindication?
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Jun 11, 2008 1:44 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am a lifelong Democrat that campaigned as a student for Adlai Stevenson and voted for JFK at my first opportunity to vote in a presidential election. I do not believe that during my lifetime that any Republican was worthy of occupying the White House and the history of such governance will be my proof. That being said, Hillary Clinton poses the greatest threat to constitutional governance of any candidate in our history and it is for one simple reason-Bill Clinton. Clinton's presidency tarnished Democrats in ways that will require decades to overcome [rightly or wrongly] and his seeming popularity out of office is mysterious to me but is probably attributable to the disfavor many feel about Bush/Cheney. I am irrefutably opposed to a co-presidency and that is an inevitability if Hillary is ever elected while still married to Bill. He will dominate her, as he has throughout their relationship, and that will subvert the term limit prohibition that opens a Pandora's box for future generations. Her feminist advocacy is noble but misplaced and hardly a reason to elect her as our President. She should consider the noble career of Ted Kennedy and remain in the Senate. He celebrates more than 50 years of dedicated, meaningful service to the nation that far exceeds anything that any President can achieve in one or two terms. Reject that or sit on the sidelines in '08 and she will be the next Geraldine Ferraro. Because Hillary exhibits poor judgment or none at all, my guess is that her ego will relegate her to another bonehead ploy and that she and Bill will soon divorce over another of his mindless skirt-chasing pursuits. The Clintons are no dynasty and Hillary's candidacy was flawed from the start because it was about her and not us.

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Support Obama, but get him responsible too
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jun 11, 2008 1:55 AM   
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There are good reasons, after AIPAC meeting, and above all, after the supposed attending of bildelberg conference (see: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9270 ), that Barack is alreay undermined by the bilderberger criminals (Kissinger, Rotschild's servants, Rockefeller and others).
Negociating with such scum may, perhaps, be an inevitable move he must take, and (I hope) It doesn´t necessarly mean he is pactuating with the interests that sank the world to its present situation.
However, one must not trust anyone, nowadays, so it is essencial that political pressure is started in order to make Obama realise that, above all, he responds to the people and not to those criminals.

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Get with the program, Hillary
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 11, 2008 2:17 AM   
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If she throws a monkey wrench into the Obama campaign - subtley or otherwise - her motives will be chrystal clear. If that happens, not only will she not receive the nomination in 2012, she won't even be renominated to run for her senate seat that year. There will be a lot of pissed off preogressives here in New York State who will see to that - Count on it

And please don't accuse me (as more than a few have) of being a sexist. The reason I was against her campaign from day one had not a thing to do with the fact that she is a woman. It is because the woman in question's name is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Had her name been Eleanor Holmes Norton, a woman I admire greatly, I would be working overtime for her campaing today - Barack Obama be damned.

In October 2002, Senator Clinton was presented with the most important vote she will ever make in her life and she blew it! When she voted to give that murderous, half-witted little thug in the White House the authority to invade the (like it or not) sovereign nation of Iraq without the constitutionally mandated congressional approval, she revealed herself to be a person of extremely questionable judgement. Her eye was on the upcoming 2002 election and she had to prove that she was as homicidal as any man.

For that reason alone, she doesn't deserve to have her name on a laundry ticket.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Gentlemen, Start Your Rhetoric

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» RE: Get with the program, Hillary Posted by: carbon-based
Let's stop blaming Hillary and keep Obama responsible
Posted by: cunning rabbit on Jun 11, 2008 3:09 AM   
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One weird thing about this campaign is that while Obama's record is to Hillary's left, his campaign platform is to her right. So Hillary is not the only one who has made compromises for political gain. Let's also not forget Obama's repudiation of his pastor of many years, the pastor who was in a sense responsible for his conversion to Christianity. So yes, I think he will make a much better president than McCain. But no, I don't trust him. We will have to watch over Obama just like any other politician. And voter oversight over politicians is what democracy is all about. If you would only support a candidate who makes no compromises, perhaps you should vote for Ralph Nader.

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» RE: *Snort* No Kidding! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: *Snort* No Kidding! BINGO! Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: *Snort* No Kidding! Posted by: helenwheels
Are we being had -- again?
Posted by: Moonray on Jun 11, 2008 3:41 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I agree with cunning rabbit: I prefer Obama over Hillary or McCain, but I have a growing uneasiness about Obama's sincerity. His sucking up to AIPAC the other day was embarrassing to watch and recently he has genuflected to conservatives on other issues as well.

What is that crap about "the war in Afghanistan is the war we must win"? A) It is quite obvious that the Afghan war won't be "won" -- whatever that means -- anytime soon and probably is unwinnable. And B) What is this supposedly anti-war candidate doing now offering a blank check to the neocons to continue their adventures in South Asia?

I have a disturbing feeling that Obama's candidacy was never meant to get this far, that he was intended to merely protect Hillary's left flank and then drop out, but the public's wholesale embrace of him propelled him into the top spot. Are his real backers the same triangulators who pull the strings on Bill and Hillary? Let's hope not.

One thing is for sure: If Obama is not elected, or if he's elected and turns out to be another Establishment stooge, American liberalism is dead. We might as well pack our bags and head for the border, because corporate Republicanism will be the only future this country has left.

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» RE: Are we being had -- again? Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Are we being had -- again? Posted by: helenheenan
» RE: Are we being had -- again? Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: Are we being had -- again? Posted by: helenwheels
Taibbi takes the 'brown bag'
Posted by: weathered on Jun 11, 2008 3:52 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Little Matt got bought.
There's nothing we can learn from the author. Go back to Bard Matt and embrace your insignificance.

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» RE: Taibbi takes the 'brown bag' Posted by: bloominblacksheep
» RE: Taibbi takes the 'brown bag' Posted by: MobileSucks
Eliz-NY
Posted by: Eliz-NY on Jun 11, 2008 4:06 AM   
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Excellent article Matt but I see nothing wrong with Hillary simply stepping aside and allowing Obama to succeed or fail...all on his own.
Any involvement she has in his race will only lead to some form of blame, especially when he fails. I say she should smile, step aside and focus on her Senate responsibilities...and begin sublty working on a 2012 race.

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» RE: liz-NY Posted by: canadagirl
» RE: liz-NY Posted by: desidid
» Yeah! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
The Clintons Mask has Fallen completely Off
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 11, 2008 4:33 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Life long Dem,2x Bill Supporter and avid defender- but that was the '90's. Now I hope the 'Door' Does smack them on the Ass on the way Out.They've Proven their allegience- to themselves and to their Corp/foreign sponsors. My sincerest Apologies to All I wasted time and Breath debating all those Years- You Were Right, I was Wrong- Arrogant,self seving Opportunists dressed in Blue.
Her complicite votes, her silence, Her Campaign tactics all point to the fact they are nothing more then covert operatives for the Corps. Once I pulled Up a List of DLC members, I was able to decipher their coded agenda. I was often confused by many who are in their ranks as to who they were serving. Joe LIEberman is the most obvious, but once you see the list you begin to understand the under LYING motivation. Those who were not on the list- but still cause this Ol Dem pause, must be just waiting for their application to be accepted- or Like Levin already struck a lucrative Deal with the Corps long before 1984 (appropo?). But I have yet to figure out Gore- maybe holding a grudge because the DLC worked against him since their allegeince seems to be centered around the Clintons?But Can't figure out why he will not through his Political Clout behind Obama (Not DLC). to me that says more about Gores intentions and motivations then Obama's. So Be it- stick with what your Good At Al. Kerry must have seen the Light- A DLC'er can Not seal the Deal with the Real Democratic Base.We'll vote for him- holding our nose against the Corp Stench, but we will not extend Ourselves any farther. Same Reason Hillary could not Con US either- she Reeked of Corp Whoring.Honestly the Clintons cause me as much concern as do the Neo Cons.Their allegiences are the Same and their under handed tactics come from the same playbook (because they are One in the Same).She may publically support & assist Obama- but the Clinton machine will be helping Mac (her buddy on The Armed Services and Corp CoWorker)

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Was the apple in the garden of Eden really that bad?
Posted by: gemajabe on Jun 11, 2008 4:51 AM   
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They are both politicians. Each one did what they had to do to win-you listed all the stuff Senator Clinton did and managed to leave out the unattractive parts of Senator Obama's campaign-I will not list them, since any criticism is interpreted as racism. He's no angel-either is she-but really if he loses it's HER fault!No wonder women are angry. They have never had representation in the Executive branch and when they try, they are blamed for picking on poor Senator Obama. The race for the primary is over. It is his responsibility to win. If he loses it is not because of Senator Clinton. It is not her role to support the male. It happens to be in her interest and in the interest of the country to campaign for him and she will, but she cannot insure his victory. It's his race to lose. You media people from all pov's wanted a democratic guy to run-okay you've got a guy, let's hope he wins, not the other guy. Will there ever be a day when a woman runs and men support HER?

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» RE: Oh, please! Posted by: Longdream
Matt, you've become a part of...
Posted by: Todd Kimmell on Jun 11, 2008 4:52 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Matt, I'm surprised that an often on target writer could or would swallow the same spoonful of baloney thats being passed around and try to pass it back off again.


"If she campaigns hard for Obama and helps pull all of her disaffected voters back onto the Democratic ticket, Obama will probably win this thing in a landslide. If she pulls a slowdown, however, and a big chunk of her voters sit this one out or vote for McCain, it will greatly enhance her own prospects for the presidency four years later."


Listen, Matt, it is simply not possible that any sizable percentage of Clinton supporters will vote for McCain or sit this one out, so get off that bandwagon, please. If you are basing your opinions on the handful of honestly devoted Hillary fans who took this second place finish as a moment to gush disappointed and even angry tears on camera, then maybe you better actually talk to a broad selection of Clinton fans.


My wife and I supported Hillary, sent money when we had very little, worked the Philadelphia phone bank. Hell, I was even hauled up on stage during her victory party at the Bellevue, much to the horror of my friends at Funky Junk Farms who saw me on CNN and are avid Obama fans!


My beloved and I are not just Democrats. We're the good guys. We position ourselves in this universe as the good guys, and we act accordingly. Obama is a terrific candidate, an inspiring American speaker when we're clearly ready to be inspired... and at a moment when we're ready to remake America back into being the land of the good guys, in our own minds and in the eyes of the world.


The best and the brightest of a new generation will flock to Washington to be a part of our new place in a new world of our making.


If Hillary hadn't been running, we'd have supported Obama from the beginning. But she WAS running, and we like her, and we believe in her as a leader.


Now, we devoted but NOT now disaffected Hillary supporters easily throw our good guy energy behind Obama. Write something about that, and get on board!


Todd Kimmell
Fairmount Park
Philadelphia

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False Dichotomy
Posted by: arch8ie on Jun 11, 2008 5:20 AM   
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Tabbi posits Hillary's choice as between "self and party" - it is truly between "country and self". We can't afford, in any sense of the word, a McCain presidency. If Hillary sits on her hands, or makes a lukewarm attempt to support Obama, the fate of the nation may well be sealed.

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» Passing the Buck, I am confu$ed Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: False Dichotomy Posted by: tennismom
Where would Obama be without Hilary?
Posted by: KAEL on Jun 11, 2008 5:33 AM   
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Well, anyone that thinks that the American electorate is split in thirds, even on a good day for Democrats, is deluded. I am assuming that by this Tabibi means that we are 1/3 for conservatives, any conservative, 1/3 for progressives, any progressive or liberal, and 1/3 for feminists or centrists, both of which are personified in Clinton. Duh, what polls or websites is he reading?

Obama would have been nowhere today if Hilary had "bowed out" after NH or after her "amazing run" up til Feb 5th. Without Hilary, Obama couldn't be relied on to be left standing in a debate. He smirks, wilts, and looks down his imperious nose at his opponent, which many will see as looking down on them - as he did in SF. And because Hilary stayed the course so long, much of the Rev Wright controversy will not be new to Americans as we go into the general election. Who would have wanted Wright, Ayers, Michelle and the priest in September?

Yes, I too thought she was playing to the end for women, and the longer she hung in and "fought like a man", the prouder I became of her - and the more clear it was that she is more than qualified to be our President. And I too thought that in her concession speech she was setting Obama up for 2008 and herself up for 2012, if needed. That I find very wise - for the country, not for Hilary.

And I thought of one other thing while she gave her concession speech. Could Obama have as easily spoken to his constituency of staying the course for Hilary? After Obama's people played the race card early on with the MLK/LBJ attack on the Clintons, I don't even want to think of how angry, ugly, and racist the day Obama loses his first race could be. I trust Clinton and McCain supporters to lose. I genuinely fear the day Obama loses anything -not Obama, but many of his true believers will divide this country like never before, if the recent past is any harbinger of the future.

And Obama is at least as likely to lose this election as to win. He lost many centrist Dems who were on the fence in February when he pranced across the stage in TX calling those who didn't support him "cynics" instead of skeptics, which many Dems were at the time and all who care about our country should have been. This spectacle by someone who wants to "unite" a party and then the country, starting with Washington? That speech did not represent change I believe in. It was political blundering at the least, messianic at worst.

Let's hope for the sake of universal health care, the environment, and fair taxation of the rich and wind fall profits that Obama can win. He may rise. He may fall. It wasn't Hilary that lost the vast majority of the large, key states. It was Obama. It wasn't Hilary that dissed the heart of America. It was Obama, his wife, and his advisors. It wasn't Hilary that didn't go to states she couldn't win. That amazing decision was Obama's. This is change I don't want to believe in and never will.

We would have a lot less to do now if we had Hilary as our nominee. She comes with no unknowns and huge strenghts, both personally and politically. But we have what we have - the American Idol candidate. I pray he is true to his ideals, grows up fast, moves to the center where Hilary and America are, and dumps the cynics in his life.

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» Hillary sent us to war Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» She comes with no unknowns? Posted by: foreverhope
» ROFLMAO! Ya know..... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: OFLMAO! Ya know..... Posted by: KAEL
Pivotal for Hillary, but not for the party, or the nation.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jun 11, 2008 5:44 AM   
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I started out supporting John Edwards. When he dropped out, I reluctantly switched to Obama, though I had thought and said some less than generous things about him. But once he was "my candidate" I began to reevaluate Obama, and I found a lot of good in him. Had he lost to Hillary, I would have gone through the same process for her.

That is human nature, and Hillary's supporters are not exceptions to it. Hillary's support, or lack of support for Obama will play out for the most part in terms of her personal reputation, not the election.

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Virtue Vs. Vicious
Posted by: fdgsr on Jun 11, 2008 5:52 AM   
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Fellow Democrats. Can the crap. We have an election to win. There is no doubt that there was an element of feminism in Clinton's campaign by virtue of the fact that she is a woman. There was an element of racism in Obama's campaign by virtue of the fact that he is half black (Therefore all black as far as politics goes.) There was an element of sexism in Obama's campaign by virtue of the fact that he is a male with normal testosterone levels. Hillary has two balls, both eyeballs, which she kept her mind on. She knew that she had to overcome millennia of male dominance to get the nomination. He has four balls, only half of which are eyeballs. He had to overcome only racism to get the nomination. CW is that black women are stronger than black men, so Obama had to overcome that too. But then he had Michelle. Her vote counted higher than Hillary's note.

Remember for the general election that "...all the brothers are gallant and all the sisters, virtuous..."

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» RE: Only Racism Posted by: desidid
» RE: We have an election to win Posted by: westomoon
Matt's quandries
Posted by: QCao009 on Jun 11, 2008 6:08 AM   
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The issues of this campaign are much more complex than race and gender. It is about the redefinition of the "values" we are purportedly casting our votes for: safety, choice, war, economy, and most of all, education. On every single one of those indexes, voters no longer trust Republicans to do the right thing. So, what have the Rove machine and FAUX done? Focused and spun the last sixteen months first on Hillary vs the rest to push her "inelectability" and then on Obama vs Hillary to stress his "inexperience".

One of the motivations for those of us reading Alternet is how it interprets the news differently from the mainstream media. It is disappointing to see Matt repeat these talking points and get caught up in the destructive spin-down of personalities.

Sure, I agree, Bill got distracted, but the distraction was part of the game plan, and in so doing, the other party renders their own message obsolete and their pact with the devil was sealed.

There is much work for us to do. Patting ourselves on the soldiers does not change the fact that the three candidates left standing are all Senators, and historically, they have seldom made good Presidents. They are simply too caught up with their own egos and Senators are, intrinsically as part of their role, resistant to any fundamental change.

It remains to be seen how Senator Obama will perform, but as of now, there is no choice at all. Senator McCain has revealed himself in this campaign to be old, disconnected, and unfit for the job. Running on fear just makes him look that much more decrepit and disheveled. Can anyone imagine someone looking worse than George W Bush ?

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'Clinton Chronicles': murder and cocaine in Arkansas
Posted by: securacom-wtc on Jun 11, 2008 6:22 AM   
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Watch the 'The Clinton Chronicles', free on Google Video! A tale of cocaine Trafficing and murder in Arkansas!

Free Documentary on www.video.google.com 'One Nation Under Siege'(1.4hrs). Through the research and personal testimony of over a dozen internationally distinguished authors, journalists, doctors, and military experts (Major General Albert Stubblebine) you will understand the massive and ceaseless control projected onto an unsuspecting populace by a government that may have finally crossed the line from a representative republic to a fascist empire. From the USA PATRIOT Act and the blatant disregard for the Bill of Rights to the outright tracking of every human being on the planet earth, you will be stunned by what U.S. government documents describe for the future of America. http://www.undersiegemovie.com/
USA’s Constitution and currency are being destroyed from within. How? Videos free on www.video.google.com 1) America: Freedom to Fascism, 2 hrs; 2)911 Justice, 18min; 3) The Clinton Chronicles, 1.7 hrs; 4) Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement, 2 hrs, 5) Terrorstorm: A History of False Flag Terror, 2 hrs 6) 911 Mysteries, 2 hrs; 7)The Creature from Jekyll Island, 1hr; 8)Orwell Rolls in His Grave, 2hrs; 9) The War on Democracy, 1.5 hrs; 10) The Energy Non-Crisis, 1 hr; 11)Iraq for Sale 1.2 hr; 12) Zeitgeist, 2 hrs; 13)Ring of Power, 2.5 hrs; 14)Bush link to JFK, 1.5 hrs; 15) The Century of the Self, 4 hrs; 16) Loose Change (2nd ed & Final cut) 2hrs each; 17)John Pilger: The New Rulers of the World; 18) The Money Masters: How International Bankers Gained Control of America, 3.5 hrs 19) Barack Obama CFR info 20) Global Warming or Global Governance 21) The Great Global Warming Swindle 22) Mercury, Autism and The Global Vaccine Agenda 23) The CIA, Mind Control and Satanism 24)George Hunt: UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population Reduction) 25) End of NAtions - EU Takeover 26) Washington, You're Fired 27) Blackwater: America's Private Army 28) Esoteric Agenda 29) Fiat Empire: Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. COnstitution 30) The Revolution Will not be Televised [USA overthrow of Hugo Chavez] 31) One Nation Under Siege 32)Breaking The Silence - Truth and Lies in the War on Terror, by John Pilger(and all his documentaries) 33)Beyond Treason 1.5hrs

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» Turn RFK into a Race Track Posted by: JibreelRiley
» RE: Turn RFK into a Race Track Posted by: Longdream
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
Posted by: Ayla87 on Jun 11, 2008 6:24 AM   
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Go Hilary Go!

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RESPONSE TO bbfmail and Ayla87
Posted by: bc430 on Jun 11, 2008 6:59 AM   
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Hillary proved that the White in American racism trumps the FEMaleness in Feminism.

When the dirty dealing 'sack Barack attack' was launched in New Hampshire and got shifted into high gear in OHIO, Mr. and Mrs. Clinton went fishing in the waters of the KKK and the Aryan nation's pool of most eligibles. Feminism and the Fem movement were the least thing on their Wealthy, White, Elitist, little minds.

At the very end SEXISM got its turn to be exploited and falsely accused for the failure of the Clinton's third presidential bid.

You see my friend, White racism is a White invention and there has never been a single White racist that exercised good judgement.

Proof: Completely out of left field you said, concerning Barack Obama..... "as he would know more disown Rev. Wright as he would his white grandmother...of course that doesn't mean he won't "push them them under the bus". His "White" grandmother????? You are aware that there are two grandmas, right? In your economy is his "Black" grandmother worth less than his White grandmother? My dear fellow American, if I could renounce your deeply ingrained White racism and the poor judgemental effect it renders I would have done so years ago.

It is extremely poor judgement on your part to cling to the thought of a three term Bill Clinton presidency. It is worse judgement to cling to the false notion of Hillary Clinton's superiority over Barack Obama as POTUS, or Michelle Obama as First Lady. It is poor judgement and absurd to cling to the fantasy that a wealthy White ELITIST like Mrs. Hillary R. Clinton gives a damn bit more about you than she does about the Black unemployed West Virginia material handler or any Mexican lawn boy or female farm worker.

In case you haven't noticed, when you are no longer useful to Mrs. Clinton's abstract vote counting she won't gently push you under the bus. Just like she and her hubby did "hard working" and loyal Black folks, your poor working class White loyalty will be hurled under the first fast moving bus in sight.

As to your unwarranted fear, dread and hate of "Rev." WRIGHT. The Wealthy White Elites whose gOD is POWER and who would have us all paying $50.00 for a gallon of gasoline know Dr. Wright as a dangerous Negro because he can not only disciple and prepare all kinds of excellent Black professionals but even Black presidents of the USA. They want you and the rest of the American White racist pawn force to falsely fear and hate him as a Mad, Radical Black Militant. All code buzz words used by our Intel Dept. to induce panic. These code words tell Black non thinkers, "avoid this Jeremiah Wright Ni$$er 'cause he will cause you to lose your job." It would not be in the best interest of those who believe that the Biblical drunken curse of Noah cast upon his grandson yet rests upon Black human beings to direct them to a gifted Elder like Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, "cause after 20 years of sittin in his Church a colored person might end up in the State House, or the White House, instead of the jail house." Who will shine our shoes and wash our cars if all the darkies get educated and uppity?

I believe you are capable of better judgement.

Hava nice day and renounce American White racism.

I dare call it what it is until it no longer robs us of true greatness.

Children are watching.

Peace.

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