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Election 2008

Make No Mistake, McCain Is a Neocon

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted June 9, 2008.


McCain is a hard-line neocon allied with Bush's 'preemptive war' theories abroad and his concept of an all-powerful 'unitary executive' at home.
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Since clinching the Republican presidential nomination, John McCain has sought to hide the forest of his neoconservative alignment with George W. Bush amid the trees of details, such as stressing differences over military tactics used in Iraq.

But the larger reality should be clear: McCain is a hard-line neoconservative who buys into Bush's "preemptive war" theories abroad and his concept of an all-powerful "unitary executive" at home.

From McCain's pre-Iraq invasion speeches to his campaign's recent embrace of Bush's imperial presidency, American voters should realize that if they choose John McCain, they will be locking in at least four more years of war with much of the Islamic world while selling out the Founders' vision of a democratic Republic where no one is above the law.

Take, for instance, an address that McCain gave to the Munich Conference on Security Policy on Feb. 2, 2002. In the speech -- with the ambitious title, "From Crisis to Opportunity: American Internationalism and the New Atlantic Order" -- the Arizona senator laid out the "full monte" of a neocon agenda.

In those heady days after the U.S. ouster of Afghanistan's Taliban regime, McCain hailed "a new American internationalism" designed "to end safe harbor for terrorists anywhere, to aggressively target rogue regimes that threaten us with weapons of mass destruction, and to consolidate freedom's gains through institutions that reflect our values."

To McCain, this meant that the United States had a fundamental right to invade any country on earth that was viewed as an actual or potential threat, a theory of American exceptionalism to international law that was at the heart of Bush's strategy of "preemptive war."

"Americans believe we have a mandate to defeat and dismantle the global terrorist network that threatens both Europe and America," McCain said. "As our President has said, this network includes not just the terrorists but the states that make possible their continued operation.

"Many of these are rogue regimes that possess or are developing weapons of mass destruction which threaten Europeans and Americans alike. We in America learned the hard way that we can never again wait for our enemies to choose their moment. The initiative is now ours, and we are seizing it."

Neocon Forerunner

McCain even presented himself as a forerunner to Bush's neoconservative policies.

"Several years ago, I and many others argued that the United States, in concert with willing allies, should work to undermine from within and without outlaw regimes that disdain the rules of international conduct and whose internal dysfunction threatened other nations," McCain said.

"Just this week, the American people heard our President articulate a policy to defeat the 'axis of evil' that threatens us with its support for terror and development of weapons of mass destruction," McCain said in reference to Bush's warning to Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

"Dictators that harbor terrorists and build these weapons are now on notice that such behavior is, in itself, a casus belli. Nowhere is such an ultimatum more applicable than in Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

McCain then reprised what turned out to be the bogus case for invading Iraq.

"Almost everyone familiar with Saddam's record of biological weapons development over the past two decades agrees that he surely possesses such weapons. He also possesses vast stocks of chemical weapons and is known to have aggressively pursued, with some success, the development of nuclear weapons," McCain said.

"Terrorist training camps exist on Iraqi soil, and Iraqi officials are known to have had a number of contacts with al-Qaeda. These were probably not courtesy calls," McCain added in the smug, sarcastic tone common to that period.

As it turned out, the "vast stocks" of chemical weapons and the prospect of nuclear weapons were non-existent. The "terrorist training camps" on Iraqi soil were hostile to Hussein's secular regime and were located outside Baghdad's control in areas protected by the U.S.-British-enforced "no-fly zone."


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McCain's Dilemma and Obama's Strategy
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jun 9, 2008 12:52 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
McCain's record is closely aligned to Bush's agenda, and he needs to convince his party's far-right base, especially the evangelicals, that he's a warmongering, torturing, high-bracket tax-slashing, massive deficit-spending, war profiteer-embracing, abortion-opposing, gay-bashing, gun-loving Bush wannabe to gain their support and get them to the polls. However, in doing so he places himself at odds with most Americans. So he tries to hide behind the flags he vigorously waves and tries to coast on his POW status and unfounded reputation as a maverick.

Obama will do well to continue his present course, avoid ad hominems and cheap shots (all too easy with someone as daft as McCain), and draw clear distinctions on the issues that matter to most people, especially the economy, the wars, health care and the environment.

Clinton has largely immunized him against the inevitable right-wing smears, and McCain has a lot more dirty laundry.

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» RON PAUL for President Posted by: Persephone8
» You for got one person Posted by: JibreelRiley
Something wicked this way cometh
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 9, 2008 3:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Although I let out a sigh of relief when we Deposed the Neo Con Queen, we still have along way to go.We must cut the legs out from under his 'Claim' as a National hero. Not meaning his sacrifics in vietnam were anything but heroic- but his actions SINCE have left me quesitoning who he Works For (Keating scandal, first Red Flag).The only way we can deflate his claims is to place another in the publics view as a contrast.
I am hoping Sen Obama looks for a Real Republican to assist US in Our battle to regain Our country, Freedoms ,Rights AND SANITY. I would love a female VP (ABC ),but it is apparent too much change all at once scares Some Americans.He needs to end the debate over Military service v community service- both are admirable but many can not 'make the connection'.He must also Help the Old School Republicans Regain Power over their own Party..remember when a Repub meant fiscal Responsiblity and Small Gov't??? The usurping our Democracy required both Parties to be infiltrated. Obama has already shot a cannon over the Bow of Neo Cons in Blue, we should offer the same opportunity to Our Old Formidable Foes.
Therefore I am recommending Sen Obama Prove The True Blue Dems ARE 'color blind', I am hoping he offers the Position of VP to Sen Chuck Hagel Of NE. Then let Mac try to claim he is the Heir apprarent champion to the Concerns of Veterans and Has the 'experience' necesssary to manage our Military and nations 'War Time' stratedgy.

OBAMA/HAGEL '08


Hoping on got an A+ on mechanics today,if not content.

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Just becuse there is a (R) next to his name...
Posted by: JibreelRiley on Jun 9, 2008 3:37 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
John McCain is far froma neo-con, if he was; I would be more prone to vote for him however the current Democrat Party has morphed itself into a San Fransisco/Chicago/Boston values party led by trust fund college kids, Old Europe special interests and a environmental lobby that is down right communist. Someone should ask is Barack Obama a far lefty or will you people keep giving him free passes all the way to November. Even Sen Obama is still willing to take the hard line on Iran and dose not plan on leaving Iraq however he will just give the excuse "we did not know how bad the Bush Administration left the situation." Gov Patrick Deval gets free passes still blaming the previous administration for his governorship woes however this is Massachusetts the great state of Moonbats were that stuff work, I'm not sure that is going to fly nation wide when its 2010 and gas is 7 bucks a gallon (9 if your a diesel driver), there is shortage of bread (yes because we are too busy making E85), production in manufacturing is down at companies are packing up and taking off for Asia while wall street is vacation in the Middle East however the kids and middle class democrats find out the hard way you don't elect Socialist into American Government. At the end I rather have Bush III than Jimmy Carter part II.

jibreelkriley@gmail.com

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» And . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: And . . . Posted by: JibreelRiley
» Much more than an "R" Posted by: Last Chance
» Define "socialism" Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Define "socialism" Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Define "socialism" Posted by: Longdream
The art and science of election deceit
Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 9, 2008 5:01 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
With electronic voting machines that can now be fixed WITH paper print-outs, I predict the coming election, if we get there without another war emergency, will be a gigantic fraud with McCaine squeakiing by in a similar Republican vistory as in 2000 and 2004.

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» More Black Helicopter Theories? Posted by: JibreelRiley
» Nah Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: The art and science of election deceit Posted by: the man with a dog
Purplegirl:
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jun 9, 2008 5:37 AM   
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Better than Obama/Hagel, perhaps--how about Obama/Ron Paul???

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» Dude... Posted by: brock_samson
» I thought Obama/ Wesley Clark Posted by: fanny666
Alternet--if you had been at all serious about November...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jun 9, 2008 5:56 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...you would have endorsed the REAL "change" candidate, Hillary Clinton. I remember the last Clinton Administration--the one that deserves a capital "A"--and how I worked at good, high-salary jobs all through it. How those jobs dried up one week after US Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor legitimized the neo-con grab for power that Bush represented, by forbidding the recount that Florida's Supreme Court had allowed, saying that the results would be "deleterious to Petitioner (Bush)". How everything else after that dried up, and this disgusting NeoCON Liar swore us into a war with the deadly enemies of his friends the Saudis, who had committed 9/11 for exactly that purpose. The HB-1 Visa extensions to HB-2 and now HB-3. Sure Clinton signed NAFTA--but he would never agreed to enlarging the HB program the way that these pigs have. (That's why, Nafta or no Nafta, I worked throughout all Bill Clinton's Administration). Not to mention 99-cent gas--how about that, people? Happy with what you got? Happy with what you'll have with McCain?
Cause NO WAY is Obama gonna pull this one out of the hat--McCain's licking his chops at the thought of the debates, looking forward to eating Barack alive in front of all America--the way that he would never have been able to if Hillary had won the nomination from the feckless Democrats--of which you, Alternet, are firmly to be counted as such, since you too endorsed Obama rather than Hillary Clinton.

We all knew better. Hence the cries of "Denver, Denver" when Obama's nomination was announced. Hillary gave a wonderful speech in support of Obama--but most Democrats see Obama's nomination as a betrayal of the first water by their delegates. And we will react as such. I know plenty of Dems who will vote for McCain--especially if he names Ron Paul as his VP. Then the Dems will have done it once again--pulled a sound defeat out of the jaws of victory, but this time, to have killed any chance that Democrats ever have again, of gaining the White House.

No wonder that Republican operative, I forget his name, I think Charlie Black, said when asked what his party thinks of Democrats, said,
"We call Democrats, the gift that keeps on giving." Looking at how Alternet and the rest of so-called "liberal" media first ignored the Clinton bid for the Dem nomination--and then firmly got behind hopeless newbie Obama rather than knowledgeable, Republican-fighter Clinton--I got to agree with Black's assessment of the Democratic Party: The Republican's best friends are people like Alternet. The gift that keeps on giving--but only to Republicans.

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» That's the problem... Posted by: WhuThe?!?
JUST ANOTHER MEAN CONTEMPTIBLE NEOCON
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 9, 2008 7:06 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Neocon is not about politics, it's about personality and character. Giving it a political interpretation obscures what almost always turn out to be a mean selfish SOB. Please don't tell me anymore about your 5 yrs. as a POW and then refuse to provide our veterans with the amount and qualtiy care that you got. McCain has lived his entire life on taxpayers' dime. Now others need our dimes and he turns his back on them. That's not politics it's selfish and mean. Thanks, ANNA

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This is change?
Posted by: PGR88 on Jun 9, 2008 7:53 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
James Johnson, one of three people tapped by Mr. Obama recently to oversee the search for his running mate, took at least five real estate loans totaling more than $7 million from Countrywide Financial Corp. through an informal program for "friends" of the company's CEO, Angelo Mozilo.

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» RE: This is change? Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: All over "some blogs"? So what? Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Somehow, Rezko has been tried. Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Somehow, Rezko has been tried. Posted by: carbon-based
» thats very strong koolaid Posted by: JibreelRiley
Neocon theory is Democrat ideology
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist on Jun 9, 2008 8:21 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I was born in Sweden and moved in late life to the US about the same time GWB was elected president.

I remember GWBs election promises and they worried me deeply. GWB wanted to move all troops stationed all over the world back to the US, he would give up so called nation building i.e. stop supporting efforts in authoritarian countries to join the League of Democracies and free economic states. His policies were classic Republican policies of non intervention and isolationism.

If you see Republican history Republicans have always been against US intervention, military expeditions and nation building.

Democrats on the other hand have always been for spreading American Universalism, the uniqueness of America, Human Rights interventions and done preemptive strikes.

Who intervened in World War I, who intervened and strongly supported the Allies in WWII, who nearly took the world to a nuclear showdown, who started the Korean conflict, who started the Vietnam war. The Democrats of course, the list is endless.

In that sense the Democrats are the original Neocons, the polices of Neocons are in fact Democrat policies.

GWB was forced to adopt these polices after 9/11 and as somebody whose heart is not in it he botched it badly. He is not a Neocon but a classic isolationist and non interventionist Republican.

I therefore find it laughable when left liberals and Democrats harangue GWB for being a Neocon, it seems like the Democratic Party and its left wing has complete amnesia. They do not remember anything of US history and the Democrats history, their preemptive strikes, Humanitarian interventions, meddling in other countries internal policies, nation building. It has not been the Republicans that did this but the Democrats.

Personally being a European I am extremely thankful for US Human Rights interventions, its nation building ideology and economic ideology. It has made Europe a prosperous place and the world a much safer place. We would have an ongoing all out war were it not for the Americans and the Democrats.

But if you are like Michael Moore and his pacifist ilk’s the US should have stayed out of Europe both in World War I and World War II. He also had the gall to suggest say that the Nato should not have intervened in Bosnia and Kosovo. He could not care less for the Muslims in Kosovo and Bosnian being killed en masse and Muslim women being gang raped as means of war. It seems that he would not have cared if we Europeans would have had to suffer living under Nazi tyranny or the tyranny of Stalin’s communism. He shows the same callous disrespect of the Iraqi people.

And Obama has become a Republican non interventionists and McCain a Democrat nation builder and interventionist? I think not the idea of American Uniqueness and the idea of Universalism is still as prevalent in the Democratic Party as ever.

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» This is absurd gibberish Posted by: PaulC
» Yes this is absurd gibberish Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» The Actual Chuirchill Quote Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
Goldman Sachs al-Qaeda Economic Warfare and John McCain..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 9, 2008 9:12 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
McCain is a corporate fascist anti-American banking stooge, and dangerous militarist..

Any fool who supports McCain while he Phil Gramm as his chief economic adviser is as much a traitor as are all these speculators manipulating our energy market in order to bring America to it's knees...

No one is more Anti-American than anyone who is involved in this attack upon America it's economy and it's people and eve our allies..

Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are the new al-Qadea and McCain has his head shoved deep up their "Intrigues!"

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» RE: Goldman Sachs is british agent. Posted by: avatar_singh
That ain't all, my friends.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 9, 2008 9:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Well, my friends, if the public goes for McCain, we can also look forward in four years to the complete destruction of the middle class, which will mean, my friends, the whole economy, except for the top 5%, HIS friends. AND, my friends, we will be four years closer to the destruction of Earth's ecology, for he is no friend to the planet, either, and will do nothing to even slow down global warming.

So, my friends, a vote for McCain will be a vote for America, the World's Largest Banana Republic, my friends.

McCain my refer to us as "my friends," but among those with intelligence, compassion and humanity, he has no friends.

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Stop fooling yourself - there all the same
Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 9, 2008 9:38 AM   
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"""Dictators that harbor terrorists and build these weapons are now on notice that such behavior is, in itself, a casus belli. Nowhere is such an ultimatum more applicable than in Saddam Hussein's Iraq." -


and there is something wrong with this policy.. are we saying Obama would just sit back and let a nation support, supply and train terrorists to attack America or their Allies? Obviously no... because someone is willing to defend America doesnt mean they are a necon.
McCain is as far from that description as Obama is.



McCain then reprised what turned out to be the bogus case for invading Iraq."" ---

Well, remember about Iraq, Clinton said they had weapons or were making them, so did other countries, our CIA etc..etc.. not to mention our esteemed Congress... Did Bush "sell the idea of invading Iraq..yep - nothing new..johnson and Vietnam, Truman and Korea, FDR was trying to sell Japan and Germany (unsuccessfully) until they obliged us. Common sense would have dictated in each case, except WW2, that armed conflict wasn't the course.


But, we haven't been attacked since 9/11. Any bets as to what will happen AFTER Obama gets into office.. I'll bet NO ATTACKS - he's as much hardline on Iran Islam fanatics as McCain is!

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It's a shame, folks don't get history
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 9, 2008 9:46 AM   
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War hero not withstanding. John McCain should have learned a lesson from VietNam - perpetrating lies by the Executive to egg on a war have no place in a civil society. For those of you that don't like to remember under Ronald Reagan (another R that you all like to claim as Great) while the government grew by leaps & bounds, all while he was "supposedly cutting" the "excesses" of a large government. Homelessness grew by huge margins and the park across the street became a Tent City. Under this administration they have been hiding so much of what they have done under the guise of "Executive Priviledge" we probably won't know for years what they have really been up to. To continue those policies with John McCain would not only be an abomination but criminal in light of the fact that his record actually speaks to exactly how much he has embraced the money making policies favored by corporations! That people will vote for him actually shows how much America has been dumbed down and are unwilling to really think about the issues - healthcare for all, lower taxes for real working middle-class families, affordable housing, jobs created here in the U.S.A., higher taxes on both corporations and higher still on those companies that choose to offshore themselves instead of the cushy breaks they get now. How about really investing in alternative fuels? What about those crumbling bridges and roads? Anyone?????

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McCain and Able
Posted by: FURonnie on Jun 9, 2008 9:49 AM   
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If you think this guy McCain has personal integrity take a look on the net at the Keating Five articles. (He was one of them and Keating was his buddy who got him elected.) His corrupt affiliation cost the good ol' patriotic Americans Billions of taxpayer dollars. He hosed us before and he'll hose us again. Besides the Neo-Con-Artists need a lacky like John Boy so they can cover up all the corruption in Bush's term and no one will ever have to account for their misdeeds. If we knew the real truth about the wholesale robbery that has taken place, the people would rise up and storm the Bastile. Let's make the Neo-cons real Cons!!!

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» RE: McCain and Able Posted by: emelya
McCain and the International Republican Institute- overthrowing democracies worldwide
Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 9, 2008 11:31 AM   
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John McCain and the International Republican Institute (IRI)

John McCain has been chairman of the International Republican Committee for over a decade. They are probably most well known for funding the "National Endowment for Democracy" (NED)
which is one of those Orwellian-named groups that does the exact opposite of what their name suggests. What these groups do is to help overthrow democracies worldwide. A good recent example is the coup(s) in Haiti which finally overthrew the democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide government (the Lavalas political party) on February 29, 2004. Another example of the IRI/NED is the failed coup in Venezuela.

I'll focus on Haiti, just because the results have been worse. In Venezuela, the population rose up against the coup and reinstalled the person they have elected overwhelmingly over and over, Hugo Chavez. Say what you will about Chavez, but for the US to try to overthrow him is illegal. But in Haiti, the IRI succeeded and threw out a popularly elected government with the help of a rightwing pro-corporate organization called The Group of 184. One of the reasons that good information about what's happening in Haiti does not make it onto the TV is that the Group of 184 includes the main media provider in Haiti, and news agencies from the US often just re-print whatever press releases come from them.

The results of the coup have been horrible: massacres and starvation.

US policy toward Haiti is a good example of "Democrats are bad, Republicans are much worse" foreign policy. Sort of like, with Clinton you starve Iraq but with Bush you invade. With Clinton, there was this weird policy of letting Aristide live in the US after the 1st time he was overthrown, but not helping to re-install him, not helping to re-install the democratically elected government. But with John McCain taking over the IRI and Bush taking over the presidency, they were finally able to out the former priest Aristide, something they'd tried back when Bush 1 was president.

Article from July 16, 2004 - The Other Regime Change: Did the Bush Administration Allow a Network of Right-Wing Republicans to Foment a Violent Coup in Haiti?

Stan Goff led a Special Forces team in Haiti in 1994... what he saw there and what he learned about the history when he came back make him a good dissident source of information.

Incidentally, my "favorite" factoid about Haiti is that when Woodrow Wilson invaded it, he said that it was to keep US citizens safe from the Huns. In a long list of countries the US has invaded, Haiti ranks #1 in this hemisphere.

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» NED in Venezuela Posted by: fanny666
Wishfful Thinking
Posted by: Romans1 on Jun 9, 2008 1:56 PM   
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Speaking as a social as well as an economic Conservative, let me say that we have never considered McCain one of us. You guys know that. John McCain has thumbed his nose at us repeatedly. You can try to paint him as a neocon if you want, but his record, I'm sorry to say, does not back up that claim. We Conservatives are basically on the sidelines this year.

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» RE: Something New! Posted by: Longdream
harrymundy
Posted by: Tank41 on Jun 9, 2008 2:48 PM   
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The elephant in the room is that the key to McCain's world political outlook is his Presbyterian religion. Look up the Declaration of Arbroath.

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McCain is a Traitor.. low stinking traitor..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 9, 2008 3:11 PM   
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McCain is a traitor..anyone who is associated with Phil Gramm and the crooks and swindlers of Enron is a traitor..

They are waging war upon America's economy and people...and that's Treason, so is every SOB at Goldman Sachs in my opinion a damn scum bag traitor and Morgan Stanley too all traitors..like John McCain..and Phil Gramm all God damn traitors..!

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sblar
Posted by: larryfhilton on Jun 9, 2008 3:56 PM   
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E-MAIL THIS ARTICLE TO EVERY HILLARY SUPPORTER YOU KNOW!!!

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Think General Terms
Posted by: loxias on Jun 9, 2008 5:24 PM   
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Most of the comments I read here lack a sense of simple broadness with which the average voter picks A or B and votes. People say they won't vote for Hillary because, "she lied." That's basically it. Oh, I know! "Obama means change for Washington." Hilarious. They can't or won't conceptualize all these "issues" in order to make a rational choice. How many people do you really know that do that? Of course the people on TV who are scripted to do so. If I comment on something and you hear it, that thing now exists. It can and does shape perceived reality more directly than the factory on the other side of the city spewing mercury. My outrage is your outrage, and outrage + 5 cents is worth a nickel. The medium is the message. You never saw this =/

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» RE: Think General Terms Posted by: Longdream
Obama Should Run On Unitary Executive
Posted by: gradioc on Jun 9, 2008 6:03 PM   
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The best thing Obama can say in one (or all) of the town meetings the McCain campaign is proposing is, "I'm sorry Senator, but you clearly beleive that the President should weld King-like powers, that the Congressshall have no power to direct him, the courts no power to curtail his will. That's not the United States of America I beleive in. That's not The United States the Constitution, which I think you have sworn to preserve, protect, and defend, as both a Senator and a naval officer, envisions. It would be an America based, not on laws, but on the will of one man. That, sir, I find appalling." Well, if I was writing it, that's what he would say.

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Make no mistake, McCain is ALREADY President
Posted by: xbj on Jun 10, 2008 12:38 AM   
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As long as the DNC insists on going down in flames with Obama.

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» RE: XBOXJERK SPEAKS! Posted by: Longdream
» Yeah, unmistakable troll Posted by: PaulC
» RE: Somebody pays for this? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Somebody pays for this? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: It isn't my imagination. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Uh-uh, xboxjerk. Posted by: Longdream
rogue regimes
Posted by: John Orford on Jun 11, 2008 5:47 PM   
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"Many of these are rogue regimes that possess or are developing weapons of mass destruction which threaten Europeans and Americans alike."
That's what John McCain says, but the United States has more "weapons of mass destruction" than the rest of the world put together and are also the only nation to have ever used them. Now, on record, who would you trust with the world's future? And who is the rogue regime, with mad-dog Cheney in charge?

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» RE: rogue regimes Posted by: Longdream