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Obama in a Blowout: The Presidential Election Will Not Be Close

Charisma, change and vision vs. a gaffe-prone spent force: Obama will beat McCain and win 300 to 350 electoral votes.
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In early December 2007, at a time when Hillary Clinton was tracking 20-plus points ahead of the Democratic field in national polls, I published an article contending that Hillary Clinton was an inherently weak candidate, a beatable candidate, and that Barack Obama would be a stronger match against Republicans.

I argued that she had the highest "unfavorable" rating of anyone who ever had run for the presidency; that she was the only Democratic candidate who could unite and energize the Republican base; that she was running 10 to 15 points behind in generic Democrat vs. Republican presidential polls; that her head-to-head matchups with the Republican candidates were poor; that in Iowa, where she was the only female candidate with seven men, she was polling only 26 percent; that several Democratic U.S. Senate candidates had told me she would pull the ticket down in their states; and that Bill was a potentially large, uncontrollable liability (even I did not know how true that prediction would become!). Hillary never was "inevitable." The evidence of her imminent demise was there for anyone who wanted to look.

OK, that was then, this is now.

The November presidential election is not going to be close. Barack Obama is going to beat John McCain by 8 to 10 points in the national popular vote and win 300 to 350 electoral votes. Obama is going to wipe out McCain mano a mano.

I am far more confident making this prediction than I was in predicting Hillary's demise. There are many reasons why.

The Political Environment

The Republican Party is led -- and branded -- by an extraordinarily unpopular president, whose policies McCain has staunchly defended and supported (95 percent voting congruence in 2007). In the recent CBS News/NYTimes poll, Bush is at 28 percent approval, 65 percent disapproval; in the Hart/Newhouse poll, he is at 27 percent approval, 66 percent disapproval. While some presidents have fallen to low levels in the past, what is truly remarkable about Bush is how long-term and persistent voter disapproval of him has been, and the depth of voter sentiment: A May 12 Washington Post/ABC poll showed only 15 percent of voters "strongly approve," while 52 percent "strongly disapprove."

Voters think, correctly, that the country is on the wrong track. In the Hart/Newhouse poll, 15 percent of voters said the country was headed in the "right direction," while an astounding 73 percent said "wrong direction." Remember, these polls include all voters, not just Democrats.

On issues, Republicans are on the short end of everything except the military and national security. Among voters, in the NYTimes/CBS poll, when asked which party is better, on health care 63 percent say Democrats while only 19 percent say Republicans; the economy, 56 percent say Democrats, 28 percent say Republicans; sharing your moral values, 50 percent say Democrats, 34 percent say Republicans; and, dealing with Iraq, 50 percent say Democrats, 34 percent say Republicans. The Democratic Party has a 52 percent favorable and 41 percent unfavorable rating; the Republican Party has a 33 percent favorable and 58 percent unfavorable rating. A whopping 63 percent say the United States needs to withdraw from Iraq within 12 months; McCain wants to stay roughly forever -- and attack Iran. The Washington Post/ABC poll asked, "Which party do you trust to do a better job coping with the main problems the nation faces over the next few years?" Democrats were chosen over Republicans, 53 percent to 32 percent.

The U.S. economy is sinking (while McCain has said he doesn't know much about the economy); gas prices are skyrocketing; the housing market has collapsed and people are losing their homes; and the Iraq Recession shows no signs of abating.

McCain has been able to stay close to parity in polls matching him with Obama, but that is the product of the bashing Obama has taken from the Clinton campaign. Once that internal scrap is behind him and he can go head to head against McCain, his polling is going to soar.

Even in fund-raising, a traditional Republican strength, the Republicans are at a disadvantage. At last reported count, Obama had $51 million in cash on hand; McCain had $11 million. In the combined cash of the national party committees, Republicans had $55.5 million; Democrats $87.1 million. The netroots has raised unprecedented amounts of money for Democrats, especially Obama; labor unions have gone deeper into their pockets and are raising more money for Democrats than in prior elections; and, even business PACs have given more money to Democrats! Business blows with the wind, and it knows which way the wind is blowing.

Simply put, this is the worst possible time for any Republican to be running for president. And this is not simply my opinion; it is an opinion that has many adherents in the Republican Party and among traditional Republican supporters. Representative Tom Davis, from Virginia, in an internal memo to Republicans, recently wrote, "The political atmosphere facing Republicans this November is the worst since Watergate and is far more toxic than the fall of 2006.The Republican brand is in the trash can. [I]f we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf."

The Candidates

While many ardent Democrats would disagree with this assessment, I personally consider McCain to be an honorable, decent man. I have enormous respect for -- and cannot forget -- the fact that he declined the opportunity to be released from a North Vietnamese prison because his father had been a Navy admiral and chose instead to stay with his comrades for 5½ years. Very few of us would have done that -- I know I would not have. There is a loyalty and integrity there that we need to remember and honor. And, despite efforts to disparage the "maverick" label, the reality is that, for a substantial part of his political career, he was a Republican maverick on a variety of issues, including the environment, immigration, campaign reform, taxes and the budget. These are not inconsequential disagreements with the Republican Party, and he has been almost singular in being willing to disagree with the Republican establishment. But that is the previous incarnation of McCain, not the version we've seen for the last four years or the version who has to run between now and November.

The problem with McCain is that his brain is no longer working. There is something wrong. Many doctor friends of mine hypothesize Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, which is consistent with his 5½ years of great stress in prison and which can explain his violent temper, his memory lapses and his frequent mental disconnects. It also is possible that he is suffering mini-strokes, which cause momentary double vision, partial blackouts and confusion, and which could explain why he can say incredibly stupid things, sometimes the same dumb thing several times in one day, without appearing to understand what he just said. Whatever the specific cause, he is not healthy, and mentally he is struggling to hold it together.

What we are going to see in the general election from McCain is a ton of mistakes. The very thing the press likes about him, his candor and shoot-from-the-hip style, is going to kill him when the full weight of media attention is trained on him. He never has been a good speaker with a prepared text (last night, his speech was characteristically wooden, with several word confusions). The media has always loved the quick, gritty, candid McCain, but that version is gone; he now is a damaged, slower-thinking McCain, but his habits will remain the same. He will still try to be the quick wit, the maverick; it just isn't going to work. And while McCain is still capable (with help) of firing off some zingers that hit, he will be unable to sustain a narrative -- or fool the American voters -- for the next five months. This is not just about being 71; it is about being a very old 71. It might be sad to watch, but I for one will have no sympathy. There is too much at stake.

Obama is the perfect candidate for Democrats, and a nightmare for McCain. Obama, who by every metric is a brilliant strategist, thinker and speaker, is going to run circles around McCain. McCain, who is not a very good speaker even on his best day, will appear slow, befuddled and confused; he will make gaffes. Obama will be charismatic, smart, thoughtful, high-minded, alert and substantive. It will be no contest. And adding to Obama's natural advantages, McCain has just enough integrity to try to match up with Obama on issues. In that debate on substance, Obama's overwhelming intellectual superiority and mental alertness will become obvious. There will be the believers, who have jumped aboard the Obama campaign and will continue to multiply, but there also is going to be another type of vote that is going to swing heavily to Obama: the default vote. Voters are going to default to Obama because it will become obvious that McCain simply is not up to the task of being president.

This is going to be the first not-close presidential election since 1988. You heard it here first.

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Guy T. Saperstein is a past president of the Sierra Club Foundation; previously, he was one of the National Law Journal's "100 Most Influential Lawyers in America."
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Your Words feel like...
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Posted by: Taurannasaurus on Jun 6, 2008 12:36 AM   
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flowers.

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Like Yer Optimism...
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Posted by: Mr. Heathen on Jun 6, 2008 12:48 AM   
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But, you need to convince some of my neighbors that apparently are still unhappy about that little deal 143 years ago. (Yes, I'm in Ohio.)
I'm more inclined to focus on regional elections. I hope Borak wins. But, it would help if the Clintonistas will get off his back and let him make his own choices -STARTING WITH HIS CHOICE OF RUNNING MATE. He needs to pick a good Suth'nuh. Maybe someone from Ohio.

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McCain's health and the Repubs' chances
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Posted by: Hans B on Jun 6, 2008 1:35 AM   
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"Whatever the specific cause, he is not healthy, and mentally he is struggling to hold it together."

I think so too, and I was (once again) disappointed in the MSM which ran with the opposite story after a suspiciously short look, by non-experts, into McCain's medical history. Why didn't a single major newspaper or weekly ask the question, "If he's in good health, why can't we photocopy this dossier? Why can't doctors look at it? Why only three hours for thousands of pages?" There must be something there and they didn't ask the single most obvious question. Thank you Alternet for not falling for the gambit!

Regarding the author's prediction, I have another suspicion: that the Republicans don't want to win the White House. They know how much cleaning up has to be done, and they know the next prez will take the blame for the pain of it. I can think of no other reason why they would field such a pathetic group of candidates.

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nice sentiment, but...
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Posted by: huricane on Jun 6, 2008 2:21 AM   
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it presumes a fair election; 2000 and 2004 demonstrate that ways and means can be found to subvert an election. Simply put, the Republicans and their support sectors have put too much effort into swinging things their way to let some upstart Democrat spoil the party. They have also been improving their technique: caging lists in 2000, voting computer hacks in 04. What fun awaits in 08?

All I'm saying is that at this point Americans who want change need to protect the mechanisms of democracy. Talk to your neighbours, get involved with local campaigning, and yes, vote. And make sure it is known that you have voted - every vote that is made public is one they cannot take away or change. Curious that exit polling in 2004 was so very different than the official results, yes?

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THESE folks would beg to differ
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Posted by: xbj on Jun 6, 2008 2:21 AM   
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I submit, as always, ObamaNet, you are out of your collective minds and are going to look like the biggest asses come September-November if this ridiculous faux left disinfo is allowed to continue.

Princeton Astrophysicists' Take on Obama's Chances Against McCain

Hours old website
and forum.

But then, you'll just shrug your collective shoulders like the REST of the GOP-owned mainstream media and say "Ooop, sorry, our bad, we got it wrong."

As McCain launches the nukes on Iran (if Bush hasn't already done it first.)

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Obama at RunWay Show Amerika
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jun 6, 2008 3:21 AM   
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"Obama is the perfect candidate for Democrats, and a nightmare for McCain. Obama, who by every metric is a brilliant strategist, thinker and speaker..."

Obama is little more than a glib play-actor hired by the usual ruling class charlatans. Ditto for GOP McCain minus the smarmy charisma.

Put another way, "change we can believe in" translates to a more or less empty slogan built for the gullible out of a fully cooked DC-MSM axis.

To put Obama on a pedestal when he's fully committed to bogus, illegal "war on terror" for another 90,000 troops and virtually unconditional support for Wall Street paymasters that greased his way to the White House is bankrupt denial and folly.

But that's nothing new at Fascist Amerika – home of the kickback, land of the craven.

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Got to Pick a VP which cuts Macs Legs Out from Under him
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 6, 2008 3:32 AM   
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I never thought Hillary was the 'presumptive' nominee- I spent too much time throughout the '90's defending Both against accusations of self aborption, Opportunitism and Murder for Hire. Since Hillary statred voting in the Senate and esp while on th eCampaign trail- I have had to eat Crow. After her RFK wishful thinking(?) I even began to wonder about Fosters (?) Suicide Too.
Obama must first NOT go to Iraq, and stay as Safe as Possible. Frankly My excitment about his win is tempered by my knowledge of this countries History.I think Mac is 'Baiting' Him - I No longer Trust or even admire Sen McCain, He Reeks of Cheney and His Organized Crime Sydicate.
I was elated when Barrack stated he would begin Investigations into thisAdministrations Crimes- but hope he keeps this a plan close to his vest.
But most importantly He must find a VP who serves several puposes. Someone with Military Service (combat expereince)who dispells the Hero Image from 40 yrs ago and shows what a REal patriot has done ever since. This person must also be a Change from 'business as ususal'decision-A Republican who has shown they do not fear their Party's Power. Also someone who cna set the Racist elements Minds at ease, bu t not one they would 'prefer'- those posing a danger to Obama.Someone who could bring in a few previously held 'RED' States. And one who Independents will find diffficult to deny as Bi partisan.

Obama/Hagel '08

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Right On
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 6, 2008 3:37 AM   
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Echoes my own thoughts. Watching McCain since he embraced GWB that day four years ago, I've wondered how someone who could stand up to torture and pushed all that campaign reform legislation through the Senate could turn so soft headed. Ambition is one obvious answer, but he threw away his advantage as a maverick and has been wandering in the wilderness ever since. Sometimes, he just babbles, and not even his pals in the MSM can protect him from himself. Maybe it is PTSD. I predict his defeat in margins previously familiar to Democrats, say like McGovern's or Dukakis's.

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McCain's Brain
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 6, 2008 3:54 AM   
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Guy-

You are correct about Sen.McCain's unhealthy brain as evidence his multiple repetative verbal gaffs and his explosive temper.

Note that when candidates formally release their medical records as did both candidates there is only reference to the traditional medical history and tests.

But the most important organ- the brain -is ignored!

This most important organ needs to be included by those physicians assessing our candidates for the highest office in the land. So too for the periodic presidential exam. Objectively validated tests exists to do so. The brain is no longer "the mysterious black box" it used to be.

A complete exam for ALL of us actually should include brain evaluation.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Never underestimate the ability of a Democrat to lose an election
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Posted by: AndyF on Jun 6, 2008 3:56 AM   
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If anything has been made clear it is this, that the Democrats have an unparalleled ability to wrest defeat from the jaws of victory. Hillary Clinton's bids for the VP slot are just the first step of many in which the Democrats will work to sabotage their chances.

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Posted by: MaryMag on Jun 6, 2008 4:04 AM   
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They stole in 2000 and again in 2004. Do NOT put it past them to steal again. See Mark Crispin Miller's two part video at: newsfromunderground.com. THEY ARE IN A GOOD POSITION TO STEAL AGAIN. Heavy voter turn out is extremely important.

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BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR
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Posted by: Mystery Solver on Jun 6, 2008 4:10 AM   
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RANDOM THOUGHT: IF OBAMA IS ELECTED AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. HE WILL PARDON THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THIS I GUARANTEE. I ENVISION OBAMA SAYING "WE MUST MOVE AMERICA FORWARD TO A NEW CHAPTER AND NOT REVERT BACK TO THE TIME WHEN OUR GREAT COUNTRY WAS MARRED WITH PARTISAN POLITICS OF THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION." THIS WILL BE OBAMA'S EXCUSE TO PARDON BUSH AND CO. IF THIS HAPPEN, AND IT WILL, WILL YOU LEFTY'S REEVALUATE YOUR FALSE EXPECTATIONS OF YOUR MESSIAH, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA? JUST A THOUGHT.

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he could lose it if pressured into having Hillary as a running mate
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 6, 2008 4:12 AM   
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Hope this doesn't happen. I have suggested Elizabeth Edwards as his VP choice. Seriously.

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It's Not That Simple...
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Posted by: guybjones on Jun 6, 2008 4:32 AM   
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I hope the author's optimism is confirmed by actual events. Unfortunately, the cynic (or is is pessimist?) in me thinks otherwise. Sure, in a perfectly rational and objective world, no Republican would have a snowball's chance in hell of winning in November, what with the waste left behind by the Bush Administration's failed domestic and foreign policies. Inflation, the falling value of the dollar, an insane $10 trillion national debt, the Iraq War, the evisceration of the rule of law and commitment to international human rights standards -- it shouldn't even be an open question. Unfortunately, I think one should never underestimate the gullibility of the American electorate, especially in an election year. Couple that with significant latent and overt racist sentiment, or just general antipathy towards Obama engendered by his name, or whatever, and there may be enough votes to tilt the election (barely) in McCain's favor. We should take nothing for granted in this election and fight from an underdog perspective. Because, at the end of the day, no matter how brilliant his rhetoric or how much money he has raised, Obama is an anti-establishment candidate running against well-entrenched powers who will see him as a threat.

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Change and Vision???
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Posted by: ot on Jun 6, 2008 4:45 AM   
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Give me a break. Obama is AIPAC's whore. Just a couple of weeks ago I predicted that Obama would soon be groveling at the feet of Zionist interests. It didn't take him long.

Put your pot pipes down, foolish liberals.

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Obamamamas
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jun 6, 2008 5:17 AM   
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I swear Obama supporters have got to be some of the dumbest sheeple on the planet. They think they're so smart because they figured out McCain is a fraud. McCain was chosen as the one to hand the torch over to the democraps so they can try their hand at wrecking the country for 8 years. And wreck it they will. You think conservatives like to spend money? HA! $295 billion dollar cost overruns are nothing compared to the kind of graft an Obama administration will generate.

By not having a close race, it ensures that no real issues will be addressed.

And the really sad part is that even despite history's clear warning, a majority of Oblama supporters want to see hillary be VP. Nuts! Johnson killed Kennedy. Bush tried to kill Reagan. Go read about it, it is hidden in plain view. And now, despite the fact that the Clintons show every sign of delusional psychopathy, Obamamites are still too dumb to be able to add 2 + 2. If you dont want to save your country because of a lifetime of propaganda and programming, that is fine, but at least save your candidate by keeping the Clintons as far away from him as possible! No more Arkancides!

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Perception Is Everything
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Posted by: desidid on Jun 6, 2008 5:28 AM   
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And adding to Obama's natural advantages, McCain has just enough integrity to try to match up with Obama on issues. In that debate on substance, Obama's overwhelming intellectual superiority and mental alertness will become obvious.

I see this as a problem for Obama if the media sells McCain to the low information voter as a tragic figure, because of the whooping Obama is capable of giving him. Who can explain how or why voters, as we continue to see, vote against their own interest. I think the answer lies not in reality but, perception. Whether anyone likes it or not, the low information White voter will perceive Obama as a thug mugging an old White man if, he aggressively makes his points. Fortunately we have a candidate who may be well aware that perception is often more powerful in American politics than any reality ever could be.

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Sure hope you're right, but
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Posted by: patmcclung on Jun 6, 2008 5:39 AM   
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Republicans do very well electing and propping-up a senile President. Just think of Ronald Reagan. He didn't even know the meanings of the words that appeared on his invisible teleprompter. You watch the Republican Ninja contingent pull their long knives on Obama. They will inundate the campaign with false allusions and innuendo. Saturation bombing. The red state working people may not be able to withstand this. They may go for McCain, just as they fell for Reagan.

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Obama's Presidency is our last opportunity
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Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 6, 2008 5:45 AM   
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to save ourselves from social chaos and a global catastrophe from which very few humans would survive, if any. The planet Earth we live on today is grossly overpopulated, horribly polluted, disease laden and teetering on the brink of political madness, World War 3 and ecocide - the death of the Earth's life-support systems that feed us.

To survive we must return to a rational, common sense way of life that saves a healthy future for our children and grandchildren. The robber baron capitalism we now suffer under fails to do that. In its place we need a genuine working democracy in which local people take responibility for their own well planned families to grow their own food, make their own clothes and educate their own children - like our pioneer ancestors, but without religious fanaticism or racism, instead a decent respect for all humanity and all life everywhere. -- How To Save The Earth

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Thanks for the Feelgood Story, But...
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Posted by: BitcoDavid on Jun 6, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Some time in late September, early October there will be another "attack." King W. will declare a state of emergency, followed by martial law. Elections will be suspended indefinitely, and Amerika will become the Christian fascist stronghold the Repugnicans have always wanted.

Economic recession will fade to all out depression, class separation will attain a parity with that of 18th century France, and we will find ourselves embroiled in an unending, global war.

The false dichotomy of "you're with us or against us" will become the rule of law, and Gitmos will open up all over the occupied world. Intellectuals, authors, teachers and "rogue' religious leaders will become the occupants of those Gitmos. A policy will be instituted that will allow the rich to use these individuals for free labor, making us again competitive, in the new world economy.

Eventually, however, it will be necessary to deal with us, the subversives, once and for all. A mandate will come down from on high, the necessity will exist for a policy of "final solution."

Tribunals will be established to determine the above individuals as "terrorists." Listening devices and video surveillance will become commonplace, and Black Marias will patrol the streets in abandon.

In the middled of the night, as you, I, we, and our families sleep, they will come. They will take us in, try us and send us off to the new Auschwitz's, and none will be the wiser as to our fates.

One day, your granddaughter will ask you about something odd she had learned in her History class. She'll ask you who Obama was. You'll put your forefinger up to your lips, signifying the need for a whisper, and point to the microphones , strategically placed in your living room. "Obama," you'll whisper back, "Obama was just a silly dream some of us once had."

DG

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A fresh new face for the American Empire won't halt the collapse.
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The world can no longer afford empires. We here in the United States are going to have to learn to live within our means. We are also no longer going to be able to afford entangling foreign relationships with the likes of Israel and Saudi Arabia - and the same goes for the British.

Our major assets are in the control of international interests, and the so-called "American corporations" are really just stateless multinational entities that dump all their profits in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes - a situation engineered by the Republican and Democratic leadership, working in concert for those corporations, and the unwashed American peasants can all eat cake, can't they?

"Ha, ha, ha! What rubes the public are! We've got this thing so sewn up, they don't even know what's up and what's down anymore!" - typical corporate and political insider talk. Really - it's like sitting in at the French Court, some years before the French Revolution.

"I don't want the public to vote, because they don't understand the real issues." - another choice, widely expressed opinion of pampered Yale-Harvard-Princeton-Stanford lap dogs. When people say they're disgusted by "elitism", that's what they're talking about. No one really has any problem with skill-based elitism - elite businesspeople, elite athletes, elite doctors, elite lawyers - it's the snobby, inherited aristocratic version that brings on the revulsion.

Economic royalists, corporate welfare queens, corrupt financial speculators with a lust for propaganda and public manipulation, state totalitarians, corporate totalitarians, communist fascists who really are just wanna-be alpha male (or female) chimpanzees - that is who makes up most of the American corporate, government, media, and academic "leadership" these days. They're surrounded by a dense swarm of toadies, perception managers, spin doctors, supplicants, tools, perverts and psychopaths, all angling for a percentage of the pie. Just look at their wide, fat, sick grins and their dead, flat, soulless eyes - tooled. Made into a tool. No longer really human, at least not in their current state. Ripe for functionary jobs at Auschwitz, etc.

America is the most hated and feared nation on the planet, with a bigger percentage of it's population in prison than anywhere else. This little attempt at rebranding with a fresh-faced black man or white woman is doomed to failure, (Maggie Thatcher? Condi Rice? Clarence Thomas?).

The Empire will collapse, and all loyal American citizens should help it crumble into dust - or be acknowledged for what you are, an enemy of democracy and an enemy of human civilization itself.

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What a Choice!
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Posted by: nomoreblinders on Jun 6, 2008 6:01 AM   
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McCann the aged shoe salesman ---- suffering from PTSD with a penchant for war, or a Socialist who's in love with himself, pretending to be a 'worker' rolling up his sleeves for us (that looks so staged and comical) with 20 years of amnesia. You know I'm talking about. He's going to raise taxes for the middle class to support social programs for parasites like never before with a all of one, one for all mentality------big group hug propaganda. Don't fall for it. The ideology of Socialism has been proven over and over again not to work and is VERY dangerous. I wish people would wake up already and not support either one. Behind closed doors they laugh at us, blindly supporting empty words. Let's break the cycle of slaves choosing their masters.

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No doubt
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Jun 6, 2008 6:02 AM   
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There is no doubt about it. Obama is going to clean house, while at first I was not for him but now, either Change, or Dictator Bushes "Mini-Me" McBush? I will take change. No way we can afford another four years of Bush and that is EXCTLY what we will get with McBush and everyone knows it. Once an absolute opposer of OBama, I am now willing to accept him as the next Prez.

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If only it were that easy
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Posted by: davesilvan on Jun 6, 2008 5:59 AM   
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I'd love to believe this, I really would, but I think the author is just blowing sunshine up our asses, so to speak; no one knows what the GOP spin will accuse Obama of doing or trying to do in the coming months, we still have plenty of Hilolry supporters threatening to vote for McCain ("Democrats for McCain"), and I've seen on myspace how die-hard Paulsons are going to write in his name no matter what. Same with some other constitution party person.

People are saying about Ron Paul stuff like 'wooo, a million strong and growing!' and i tried to put a damper on it, posting a little algebra equasion:

3.00 mil citizens in the us
assume 25% aren't old enough to vote yet leaves 225,000,000 votes to be had. subtract 1.5 mil votes for Ron Paul and that leaves 223.5 mil votes between Obama, McCain, Shillary, and anyone else who receives a vote.

Even if Ron Paul were on the ballot against Obama, I still don't think Ron Paul would win; there's been so much Paul backlash, people just abusing people who support Ron Paul, it's like grade school all over again.

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Guy T. Saperstein--Right as Usual!
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Posted by: Longdream on Jun 6, 2008 6:06 AM   
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On every point.

McCain wants to face Obama in a series of town meetings. I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to watch them, because McCain will be so outmatched it will amount to cruelty. Mark my words--anyone with a heart will be cringing, begging Barack to just put him out of his misery.

Oh! The humanity!

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Posted by: nuzzo on Jun 6, 2008 6:09 AM   
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A little too early and more than a little too wishful. If Iraq is quiet in the Fall with few US dead and Hillary working qietly behind the scenes to sabatoge and ensure her nomination in 2012, with still bitter older, white females siting it out and 85% of the rural, suburban, less-educated white males and Hispanics going for McCain, ... Not going to be this easy

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Posted by: gemajabe on Jun 6, 2008 6:13 AM   
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Learn to count. Senator Obama cannot take the states where Senator Clinton did so well, unless she is on the ticket. Alert-Clinton haters and other strange people who write on this site-she can help win the election.

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I dont' mean to pee in your Easter Basket kids - but......
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Posted by: Phred42 on Jun 6, 2008 6:15 AM   
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Even Brad just got hit. The republicans already have the mechanics in place to steal the Third presidential election in a row. Here's proof.

IT ain't over - till it's over

I blame Pelosi & Reid for allowing this to STILL happen. Until the Dems get some REAL Leadership - with balls ....

Check this out before you get too excited

The Brad Blog

My Own Votes, Four Of Them, Were Flipped Yesterday Before My Very Eyes

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6043

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I hope so but.....
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 6, 2008 6:34 AM   
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1) As other posters have pointed out, do we even have fair elections anymore?
2) The public is fickle and we are in times of extreme change. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the public hates Bush and that might carry over to McCain. But the current climate is anything goes!
3) It is a mixed blessing. Our problems are so deep no one person can solve them. Is the Obama administration going to get blamed for the clusterf*** Bush left him with? The public's expectations are way too high. There is no one with a magic wand that will make their problems go away. They have to take on some responsibility themselves. It is going to be a hard road. Are they ready to accept that?

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predictions
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Posted by: dsmidiman on Jun 6, 2008 6:40 AM   
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I told my wife back in 2000 when they came out and said GWB "won" the election that "By the time GWB gets out of office he will have screwed things up so badly that the people of this nation will elect Donald Duck before they elect another Republican". Not that I think of Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton to be a "Donald Duck" by any means.

I agree with the writer that this election is going to be a blowout as it should be. I also agree with one of the responses given by a poster here and that worries me for the future. That response was that the republican party is happy with the fact that a democrat will be the next president because they know that things are so screwed up and are going to get worse before they get better even under great leadership at this point. What it is going to take to turn things around and clean up the mess that GWB has made is going to be extremely painful for everyone in this country. And whoever is sitting in the Oval Office is going to take the majority of the heat for it.

The Republican base is like a snake in the grass when it comes to manipulating the people of this country. They have raped this nation savagely without conscience for eight years now. Knowing they have worn out thier ability to scare us and manipulate us into submission at this point they are content to "write this election off"

They know that the next president is going to be so overwhelmed with dealing with the problems that the last 8 yrs have created. They know that what it is going to take to deal with these problems is going to be very painful. They are not only content but happy to let a democrat "drive the bus" for awhile. That way in 2012 when the next election comes around they will be able to say "see the democrats can't do any better, maybe even worse"

My hope is that the people of this nation are smart enough to realize that things are not going to make a turn for the better the day Obama steps into the Oval Office. It is going to take alot of time and alot of pain to dig ourselves out of the hole we have been thrown into. Hopefully the people of this nation will have the patients and determination to give the democrats enough time to make things right again. This means we will need a democrat controlled govt. in all three branches for at least 2 and maybe 3 terms in a row to get this country back on track. People in this country are use to and so desire instant gratification and we aren't going to see that here. Hopefully we have the persaverence to see it through??

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Dude . . .
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Posted by: daveinchi on Jun 6, 2008 6:43 AM   
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. . . DON'T JINX IT!!!!!!

You don't call no-hitter in the second inning!

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Just so long as Hellary is not VP
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Posted by: Ptah on Jun 6, 2008 6:45 AM   
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OK; fine; this would be wonderful. But just so long as Hellary is not VP. First off, she would be a lightning rod to neocon/right wing crazies both in and out of the media. Second, she would be Barack's Cheney but without the president's tacit consent to create mayhem, as is now the case with Cheney-Bush. And...there would be Slick Willy maliciously hovering in the wings. Bad move; Barack. I wouldn't trust Hellary to even be Secretary of Health and Human Services. She's damaged goods big time to the degree that I wouldn't be surprised if she were voted out of her senate seat by New Yorkers should Barack not be pressured into taking her into his administration. She needs to be made a lesson of. Barack can blast the neocon rightwinger crazies among the Republikans in his quest for the White House, but better to make an example of such cynical bulltoddy from within his own party, to wit: no concessions to Hellary; period.

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OBAMA WAS SELECTED, NOT ELECTED
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Posted by: bbfmail on Jun 6, 2008 6:57 AM   
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Obama’s victory is a Farce. It is based on an unjustifiable decision made by fifty irrational individuals. Its illogic is best summed up with an epigramatic

“Declaring the Loser a Winner.”

The emotionality of this Farce is over the top, while its value, remains uncertain. It is both irrational, and dangerous to get so worked up over something - with so much time left, and so much space to maneuver- which has yet to become a certainty.

That said, one thing is certain in yesterday’s uninspiring denouement to the most unjust campaign in American history - Obama did not “win” anything in any convention sense of the term; he has simply been selected by a party, which long wanted to be rid of Clinton, and in a surrealist fashion - following her massive wins in Kansas, Puerto Rico, and a win in South Dakota- declared its support for the Loser which had long ago become the “devout religion” of its eye.

Not only does this run counter to the will expressed by Democratic party voters in which Clinton won all big states, and all key demographics - it is frightening in its implications.

Think about it - a few people decided- repeatedly in contrast to the will of party members without any visible reason, or rational, and contrary to all the statistics and the events of the primary, that an empty suit - but one well suited because of his color - can now enjoy access to our collective resources, in his pursuit of the Presidency in our name!

To add insult to injury, the very same people who are going to give this megalomaniac our resources, are now demanding we pledge unquestionable support, to their party, and unequivocally endorse their strikingly unjustifiable decision!

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I already feel spoiled
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Posted by: Quasar on Jun 6, 2008 6:58 AM   
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It won't be pretty. It'll be beautiful.

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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
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Posted by: Arlene1971 on Jun 6, 2008 7:13 AM   
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How fitting that you begin your article with how wrong you were about the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. How wrong you are now.

I'm amazed that the liberal media (that includes you) are so blindly believing that ALL Hillary supporters WILL vote for Obama as soon as they stop pouting and come to their senses. Perhaps you pundits and so-called journalists should get out into the street on occasion and actually talk to real people instead of talking to each other. You rehash your own stories until you believe them yourselves.

Well, prepare for another surprise. A large portion of Hillary supporters WILL NOT BE COMING HOME. And it has little to do with Obama being black or a man - it has far more to do with the colossal whitewash you media Obama-operatives have attempted to pull off to elect this socialist/radically left/liberationist politician. And you have done it with disrespect, insults, and now you are rubbing it in.

Obama has yet to be defined. Hillary could not do it being the "good girl Democrat" that she is. McCain will not do it because he tries to hold on to his so-called high road. But his surrogates will be relentless in taking Obama down - redefining him for what he is and where he came from.

And then there's that pesky rumor about the "Michelle Obama whitey-rant tape."

I am a Hillary supporter. I am a former uber-liberal/feminist liberationist leader. I know the terrain Obama has trekked and still does privately.

I will never vote for Obama. I will hold my nose and vote for McCain - trusting that a veto-proof Democratic Congress will hold him down, and believing that he will do less damage to the world than Obama with a rubber-stamp Democratic majority and the disgraceful excuse for a free press at his back.

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Ah, but ...,
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Posted by: geoXIXXX on Jun 6, 2008 7:14 AM   
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my dear Mr. Saperstein, Obama is BLACK!! Most American voters are white! Obama is made to order for a Karl Rove-type hashknifing! It will NOT be a Democratic landslide and Obama (and Hillary) may be challenging PRESIDENT McCain in 2012!

God Save America!

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McCain VS Obama
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Posted by: bbfmail on Jun 6, 2008 7:34 AM   
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Senator John McCain has been criticized about many things. But, when all is said and done, Senator McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America.

On the contrary, he has paid a huge price for resisting our enemies, even when they held him prisoner and tortured him. The choice between him and Barack Obama should be a no-brainer.

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Wishful Thinking
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Posted by: bizeeb on Jun 6, 2008 7:40 AM   
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I think your optimism is unwarranted; never underestimate how racist and stupid the average American is. Remember, the average I.Q. is 100 and thats pretty damned stupid. I think alot of alternet readers are making the same mistake Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky are always making: they assume that the average American feels basically the same way that they do. Wrong! The average American thinks of Moore and Chomsky (and Nader) as radical, lunatic fringe, nut jobs. Remember, Bush was re-elected (pretty much) legitimately; even in 2000, if the elections were carried out completely legally, Gore would have barely won. In short, I am scared as hell of what the voters will do in November. Reminds me of Colbert's series: Election 2008: Don't Screw This Up America!

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I'll go with many of Saperstein's points
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Posted by: PaulK on Jun 6, 2008 8:01 AM   
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Sen. McCain doesn't have PTSD, get off of that one please. He's been functioning pretty well on the Senate floor for 40 years.

He may in fact have small strokes, or Alzheimer's nodules in his brain, or it could be a side effect of some medication (Ambien). Just because the Republicans can nominate somebody doesn't mean he can even read the teleprompter for 6 months, much less for 4 years. The Obama campaign is going to deadpan all of McCain's many outbursts and gaffes. "And here's to you Mrs. Robinson, Jesus loves you more than you will know, wo wo wo." The liberal side of the press (yes there is one, albeit small) won't be so kind.

Sen. Obama is coming in with a huge volunteer army. His job will be to shift a few thousand workers from the northeast, which is all safely in the freezer for him, to big battleground states like Ohio. I think he's all set for this project.

McCain will need to shed his "lobbyist express" and "Keating 5" silk suits. I don't think he's doing a good job of this, but he's trying. He's also been a lockstep supporter of Junior Bush for 7 years, from the wars to the tax cuts for the rich to the bungling of Hurricane Katrina. Serve this set of issues to Obama buffet-style, please, let him pick and choose his goodies. Oh, and McCain has such a rich, younger honey!

So between the war, the economy, the wholesale embezzlement of the U.S. government, a huge bump in voter registration and Senator McCain's current inability to verbally defend himself without screaming out four letter words, (the paint-by-numbers attack dog caricature), McCain's aides only have one popgun left. He can steal the election vote in maybe two to four states. That, and he can dial up the Ku Klux Klan for an assassination attempt, which won't actually help the Republican Party much.

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Coward
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Posted by: redstarwraith on Jun 6, 2008 8:02 AM   
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obama has proven himself to be a coward in his traitorous distancing of his pathetic ass from his minister who has the courage to speak more truth than he (obama) could ever muster. Any supposed 'progressive liberal' who speaks fondly of Ronald Raygun (as obama does) is a charlatan.
Screw the democratic party!

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Barring Unforseen Attacks
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Jun 6, 2008 8:06 AM   
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Barring unforseen attacks by terrorists or some huge event on the international scene (either real or trumped up by Pentagon) that would play to McCain's military experience, Obama should win the election. He will have a problem with some voting blocks and I'm not sure that it will be a complete blowout. I still believe that Hillary would help rather than hurt the ticket as the VP. There are still 5 months until the election. With the complete mess of this country and the wars that the Republicans have made, they may want to hide out for 4-8 years and let the Democrats try to clean up their mess and rebuild the economy and reduce the debt. Then when they think that the people have forgotten about their 8 year rule with Bush, they will try something like another "contract with America" promoting change, much like Gingrich did after Clinton built up surpluses during his administrations.

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McCain Vs Obama
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Posted by: sunlakedude on Jun 6, 2008 8:22 AM   
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I certainly hope the author is correct. I don't know how he can explain away the polls which consistently show the 2 candidates neck and neck or even showing McCain with a slight edge. Remember there are a lot of white blue collar voters who just won't be able to bring themselves to vote for Obama, so they'll "hold their nose" and pull McCain's lever. He is to them, after all, white and male which to them is a good thing.

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Also . . .
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Posted by: Scientz on Jun 6, 2008 8:35 AM   
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. . . I just checked out the Bilderberger attendees for 2005, and Obama is not on the list. Surprisingly, Canada's own Heather Reisman (ownder of Indigo Books) and Irshad Manji (noted lesbian Muslim and author) are on the list, however. Cool.

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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 6, 2008 8:35 AM   
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I really wish the author was correct -- I REALLY do. But he underestimates the gullibility and outright stupidity of the American people.
For one thing, Americans are, as a majority, against the Iraq occupation (which is a good thing). But who do Americans believe will best handle the situation in Iraq -- the candidate who wants to bring the troops home EVENTUALLY, or the candidate who wants to keep our troops over there FOREVER and then wants to start many new wars on the side?
Well, of course, they trust John McCain more -- 49% to Obama's 37%!, a 12 point advantage for McCain! (According to a recent Rasmussen {spelling?} poll.)
Americans also trust McCain more on other issues, including the economy. (I guess Americans WANT taxes to be cut only for the ultra-wealthy!)

And at the very least, the election will be close enough that it can be easily stolen by McCain's people (who include Carl Rove).

I will vote for Obama. But I have already bet money on the outcome of McCain winning, and winning in a landslide.
I hope I lose that bet.

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A REQUEST.
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Posted by: Longdream on Jun 6, 2008 8:37 AM   
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Could Alternet stick up an article that would be a sure troll-magnet--something like: The Muslim Institute of Robotics Releases Schematics on Obama-Bot, so that this particular group of assholes can celebrate their shit away from us for a while?

It ridiculous in here, and I've got so many damned people on "ignore" the whole damned room is pink!

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WE NEED A THIRD PARTY
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 6, 2008 8:46 AM   
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I'd like to call it the 'BAMS'. Bitchers and moaners. Whine about everything but stand for nothing. There is reason to rejoice. Granted 'keep the powder dry' and keep looking over your shoulder but things are looking up. The recent report from Jay Rockefeller is a major hit to the Bush Admin. If McCain can survive this it's our fault. Let's not blow it yet again. Thanks, ANNA

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A good source to keep track of polls
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 6, 2008 8:49 AM   
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PollingReport.com

While I hope that the author is right, I think activists should pretty much act as if Obama is 3 points down in the polls, all the way through to November.

And keep in mind that while elections are important, their importance is often overrated, and the real work of education and organization is constant, not every 4 years.

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Political scientists . . .
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Posted by: Scientz on Jun 6, 2008 9:06 AM   
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. . . have talked about this fact for years. Americans aren't unideological, they just share the same ideology. Centrism. To win an election in the US, you have to paint your opponent as the most right/left-wing monster ever seen.

This is the exact opposite of the situation in Europe, where centrifugal electoral competition exists. In Europe, you win votes by campaigning to the left or right.

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RE: Wishful Thinking for the George McGovern/ Jimmy Carter
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Posted by: yellow on Jun 6, 2008 10:27 AM   
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This is the most incredible nonsense I've ever read in my life. In the first place the Republicans waged class war against the middle and working class not the Democrats. They did this over $4 trillion in tax cuts for the rich, the destruction of unions and labor protections, deregulation of the financial industry and the shredding of the social safety net. Sounds like class war to me!!

Secondly, I'm quite sure you don't know what a "Marxist" is and have never read Marx.

Third, your reference to the "Jewish pro-Obama" crowd is ludicrious. He is almost universally supported in the Black Community and, judging by the primaries, millions of others as well.

Fourth, the idea that Iran was always a greater threat than Iraq has been part of a whole litany of arguments against the war from the very beginning. Iran may not actually be a threat but his recent appeal to AIPAC is pretty standard fare American Politics.

Obama will take the Blue States and possibly win some Red ones as well. He won't win by a landslide but he will definately win.

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McLame's speech on Tuesday
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Posted by: helenwheels on Jun 6, 2008 9:07 AM   
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Anyone see that piece of pathetic crap? Even FauxNoise talking heads said it was horrible, abysmal, a failure. McLame's own audience didn't even know how to respond. There is no way in hell by the time this race goes to the polls that McLame will have even a fraction of the votes that Obama will... UNLESS the rethugs try to steal it again, which of course, they will. Watch Recount on HBO to see a brilliant telling of the stolen 2000 election. They've only gotten better since then.

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the young people will decide this election
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 6, 2008 9:50 AM   
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I attended the Dem caucus in Nebraska. What impressed me (53 years old and an Obama supporter) at the caucus was the large number of young people who were for Obama and their enthusiasm. Watching their cheerful and positive attitude suddenly made me realize it must have been like this with Bobby Kennedy.

Obama is set to gain a huge victory in November and the "under 30's" are going to clinch it for him.

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AMEN!
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Posted by: radbear on Jun 6, 2008 10:18 AM   
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I agree with the author. Republicans are weak and McCain is weaker. As a long time political operative (30 years), I know what the money differential really means, and I am also aware of the talent Obama's team has shown in their spending decisions. They have beaten the most powerful Democratic political machine in my adult lifetime. They have taken an obscure state legislator from Illinois and turned him into a figure of modern American history to rival Lincoln and Kennedy in public adulation. I,too, have noticed McCain's infirmaties; they are a serious problem for his handlers. The presidency is not a good conduct medal, nor is it a substitute for rehab. McCain looks nearly embalmed on a good day. As the campaign becomes more intense, he will experience more problems and they will be harder to hide. Also, there is the matter of his abandonment of his first wife, his affair with a rich man's cheerleader daughter, and his nearly invisible personal life. All are problematic, and mostly unexplored by the national press. While I am sure there will be a few more surprises on the Obama side - does anyone really believe that Rev. Wright has gone away quietly? - most of the worst has already been handled. Obama is on track for massive electoral victory and he will take his party with him.

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Maybe so but .....
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Posted by: Old Skeptic on Jun 6, 2008 10:22 AM   
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I hope you're right about November, but let's not count our "chickens" before they hatch. There are a lot of things that could happen between now and November to throw the proverbial monkey wrench into the works. Bush could help McCain by bringing home a larger percentage of the troops from Iraq. Who knows? He might even do something sensible for a change, such as trimming spending to balance his tax cuts. Or declaring that the US has no interest in attacking Iran!

At any rate, Obama is no shoo-in. Although I disagree with him on some points, such as amnesty for illegal aliens, I know I won't vote for Grandpa McCain (and I'm only a few years younger than he is) who will be Bush's third term. No way! And no way do I want McCain making the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court nominations: we'd end up with clones of Scalia or Alito! So, I hope you're right about Obama's chances, but don't underestimate McCain and don't count him out before the first round even gets started.

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Posted by: kristof on Jun 6, 2008 10:24 AM   
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C'mon folks. this story is absurd, putting you on a par with and nourishing the dominant US corporate mainstream media totality cum its mindless horse race and image/idol spectacle.

Modified limited hang-out, Alternet. You are most adept at it. Float some good nuggets now and then, but slather them in disinfo/psyop.

If "Rocco Bama", who is nothing more/less than a crypto-corporate quisling and progressive lapdog w/r/t our Rulers, the financial-military elites now running the US and its election dog-and-pony show thru obedient media, decides to revive/assert aggressively any quaint, obselete notion of justice/equity/individual sovereignty here, he will NOT survive.

That is, the G-8 oligarchs and US omnipotent corporate junta will DO him big-time--whether that means JFK the guy, or merely destroy his credibility, sabotage all of his endeavours.

Don't feed us some election-political load of dung to stoke our hopes. The US is already a shell of its former self, on life support, and needs a euthanasia specialist.

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Yo! Guy Saperstein!
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Posted by: westomoon on Jun 6, 2008 10:48 AM   
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Nice article! Our political "noses" operate similarly -- mine says the same thing.

I have no idea why your pieces attract such weird comments, but you sure do fire up the crazies.

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God...I hope you're right, but..
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Posted by: Van23 on Jun 6, 2008 10:54 AM   
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I've seen the Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once too often in my life.

I'll believe it when I see it. I'm voting for Obama in November, but I ain't getting my hopes up.

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Posted by: Thebigkate on Jun 6, 2008 11:19 AM   
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Yes, you really get it!!! And I like that you did not impugn McCain's character, but simply described his mental "issues!" I am a mental health professional, and have thought for a long time that he has PTSD--and in a sense is still "fighting" in Vietnam!

Obama is as close to "normal" as we could ever hope for in a Presidential candidate. Very healthy narcissism--unlike both Clintons. To get clinical, he was the adored only son of a gentle, loving and adventurous mother--who also had a life of her own, and did not have to live through her child!

GO OBAMA!!!!!

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Let us temper our joy
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Posted by: Kym525 on Jun 6, 2008 11:21 AM   
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All of us who worked tirelessly in the face of overwhelming odds and negativity can indeed celebrate this historic nomination. We Obama supporters have been accused of everything from hating women (even if we are feminists), hating white people (based on the speeches of Rev. Jeremiah Wright), hating our country (because Obama didn't wear some flag pin on his lapel), and basically delusional.

In spite of all the naysayers, the once unthinkable became one of the greatest moments of this country's long and varied history. For the first time the United States of America has a black man as nominee for the the highest office in the land! The impossible became possible because we realized that eight years of repugnican rule has done nothing for us. We are no safer and no better off than we were before him.

However, let us temper our joy and our pride with somber reflection. This race is just beginning and you can bet the other side is eager to use all means to destroy this historic candidacy. We even have the few bitter Hilary holdouts who are willing to vote for McCain out of spite. We have work to do, people--as Obama once said. He cannot win this election without us standing up and getting in the faces of those who have nothing save dirty tricks. We must canvas, talk to and put his message out there for all to see and understand.

This is not just a BLACK message--his is a message for ALL AMERICANS who are tired and want better than what we've had. Yes, Obama isn't a savior and we're suddenly not going to have a utopia, but we must make the effort for change somewhere. Those of you cynical folks who endlessly whine about corporations are still the slaves of the corporations with everything your buy and eat. Unless you live off the land in some backwoods, this is your fight too, so stop complaining about what's not right and get out there to try to fix it!

Barack Obama needs US. Let's not let him down. Our future and that of the generations to follow depend on this vital first step.

Peace.

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Facts About McCain
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Posted by: desidid on Jun 6, 2008 11:24 AM   
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Here You Go

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McCain is AWOL
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Posted by: frantaylor on Jun 6, 2008 11:24 AM   
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He hasn't voted in 2 months. He's voted ONCE since March 14.

How many of you would still have your jobs if you didn't to a lick of work in 2 months?

Hoe can he stand for anything if he doesn't vote?

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It has got a good beat and you can dance to it...
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Posted by: jimidee on Jun 6, 2008 11:37 AM   
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I will give it an 85.

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McCain as sacrificial lamb
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Jun 6, 2008 12:54 PM   
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The republicans know what's coming. Who better to throw to the slaughter than someone who is on his way out anyway, John McCain.

They deserve to lose given the past 8 years starting with a stolen election. Many blame Bush for the terrible condition American is in now...but that would not be possible without the very political Supreme Court who handed him the victory despite having lost popular vote and uncounted votes in Florida.

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blowing blow-outs
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Posted by: tinwhistler on Jun 6, 2008 1:54 PM   
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James Carville predicted Kerrey would win by a blow-out, with only two weeks remaining until the November 2004 election. He said that if the Democrats didn't win this one, they'd never win an election. What Saperstein and Carville do not address is the vote counting process -- while the exit polls in the 2004 did confirm a Kerrey blow-out, the counting process could get away with gross fraud just by having a cover of apparent contest by Bush. The media, in its self-interest in marketing the news about the 2008 election, will give McBush the cover of being a contender, and the vote counting process could go either way -- possibly letting the Democrats have this one in an effort to maintain some credibility for the election system. But I won't be suckered in by McCarville (Saperstein) this time.
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Posted by: Jeanne on Jun 6, 2008 2:38 PM   
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Do not count your chickens before they're hatched. And, do not forget the paperless electronic voting machines. The 60/40 margin in 2006 overwhelmed the installed cheat programming -- leaving a 51/49 victory to Dems in many precincts. They won't make that mistake again. Those districts with paperless voting machines will guarantee Republican victories in them. Before we count the electoral college votes, we should see where these paperless "counting" machines are. Then count the results assuming those will go to McCain.

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WHY McCAIN WILL WIN
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Posted by: bbfmail on Jun 6, 2008 3:00 PM   
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Today, we find that the Media’s objective has been realized, and that the utter marginalization of the real base of the Democratic Party has been firmly shoved aside. In return, said base is being offered the scraps of condescension and blind loyalty. After being spat upon by the countless sycophantic maniacs within the Barack Hussein Obama Campaign, they now want to visit and offer ‘roses and candy’. Almost paying homage to the “Abused Wife Syndrome”, they wish to convince their counterparts that they will “never do it again” and even bluntly present the old fashioned “I can change” line, thinking that many of those who were the object of all of their hatred and scorn should now get on their knees and submit to their will. But I suggest that this time everything will be quite different.

The heart of this matter has been stabbed once to many times by the unscrupulous corporations that manhandle our populace. They now bluntly offer their victims a chance to accept their abusers back, all in the name of “the kids” or “the family”. What about the larger family (America)? What about dignity? What about honor? What about integrity? These things have always been alien to them, so don’t expect a straight answer.

Barack Hussein Obama is not a horrendous candidate BECAUSE of his skin color (some might say he is in spite of it), but race WAS and IS a factor in this election. Obama has become one of the most corrupting influences in our political/public life, exactly because of his race-baiting and dishonesty. The Media and the Democratic Party have basically insulted hundreds of years of struggle for racial solidarity and equality, by purposefully choosing the least capable Black man that they could have found within their own ranks, and have vested him with a credibility he never earned.

And now the last of the Democratic elites, the ones who had endorsed and supported Hillary Clinton all this time, are now ready to somehow pitch new arguments of why everyone should jump into Obama’s ship, even if they all disagree with his capacity and decency as a candidate (and even while it is slowly sinking). Does anyone else notice the stench of submission and servility fuming out of these individuals? If we ALL know that Obama is a bold faced liar, a thief, a sexist and a racist; does it really matter if he sells the idea of democratic policies which were not only thought out by someone else, but of which he has no power to enforce?

The anger of most Democrats who supported Clinton should be palpable today, and I submit that it will last until November. In stark contrast with Obama, McCain’s more than 30 year-long record of service to our Country has never accumulated so many ’stains’ as Obama’s own after a few years in the public eye. Of course, we all know that McCain is not the most honest man in public life (no politician is!), but in contrast with the Democrat’s now “presumptive” nominee, he is a saint. And that is the true travesty of this election, in which a mainstream party and their corporate Media have decided to pick a candidate that represents the worst that this Nation has to offer, all for the sake of “saving face”, and we are all expected to follow the cheese until we get snapped.



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Is this creature trying to say it went to law school?
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Posted by: Longdream on Jun 6, 2008 3:10 PM   
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Let's give it a little help.

The degree is a Juris Doctor. JD.

J.D. stands for something else. Jack Daniels. Jump Drive. Juvenile Delinquent. Just Demented. Jingo Duck. Joke Dump.....

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From Your Pen to God's ear
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Posted by: dwilliamsamh on Jun 6, 2008 4:10 PM   
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I could never have said in in such clear terms but it looks so perfectly set up for Obama to wipe the floor with him, that when I talk to people about the subject I find myself whispering, lest I tempt the fates.

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SMART MONEY FLEES STOCK MARKET; 4 MORE YEARS OF MCCAIN/MIDEAST WAR
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Posted by: xbj on Jun 6, 2008 5:22 PM   
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Hillary "concedes" today; oil reaches an all-time high and stock market crashes 394 points.

Anyone else see an obvious connection?

Smart money is fleeing the stock market and oil is skyrocketing, because HILLARY'S "CONCESSION" MEANS 4 MORE YEARS OF JOHN MCCAIN AND BUSH AND THE GOP'S ENDLESS MIDEAST WAR.

Obama doesn't have a chance in hell, he NEVER did, and ALL the smart money knows it.

Obamanet, on the other hand?

As IF.

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Pride goeth before destruction
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Posted by: ohb0b on Jun 6, 2008 5:31 PM   
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And a haughty spirit before a fall.

I've been an Obama supporter ever since my candidate (John Edwards) dropped out. But I'm not expecting a cakewalk, neither should anyone else.

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Fist bumping.
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Posted by: mbruton on Jun 6, 2008 6:40 PM   
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This article is a good example of Alternet's continued drive towards irrelevant pap as a business strategy.

No mention of both Hillary and Obama breaking the law under the Logan Act to meet with the bilderbergers in Chantilly, VA. No - that would actually be NEWS.

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3 Simple Words To the Doubting Thomases
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Jun 6, 2008 7:06 PM   
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Yes We Can!

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Saperstein has a sappy moment
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Posted by: PaulC on Jun 7, 2008 4:28 AM   
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> "And, despite efforts to disparage the "maverick" label, the reality is that, for a substantial part of his political career, he was a Republican maverick on a variety of issues, including the environment, immigration, campaign reform, taxes and the budget. These are not inconsequential disagreements with the Republican Party, and he has been almost singular in being willing to disagree with the Republican establishment."

While I generally agree with this article, this is nonsense. McCain has the second most conservative voting record in the Senate, or so I have read. He has been in lockstep with Bush from day one.

Let's take a look at this alleged maverick's record with respect to the environment. His 2007 League of Conservation Voters score: 0 percent. His lifetime LCV score: 24 percent. That means, on average, regarding issues as diverse as energy, air and water pollution, minority rights, Mountain Top Removal mining, strip mining, overfishing, water rights, global warming and other issues critical to quality of life and survival of life on this planet, literally the most important issues of our time, on average this fellow voted the wrong way 3 out of 4 times. And in the past few years he has been even worse, at a time when environmental issues are coming to the fore.

This is not the record of a "maverick" so much as that of a calculating political hack lacking a sense of human decency and certainly absent a strong sense of compassion for the welfare of those unable to speak for themselves.

I believe that candidates' record on the environment is a "canary in a coal mine" regarding their sense of commitment to the long term welfare of this country, their sense of fair play and their inherent integrity as a human being. And quite frankly, I don't see McCain measuring up by any reasonable standard.


peace,
Paul

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Forget them all
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Jun 7, 2008 7:02 AM   
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Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Write in Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.

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Paid GOP Posters Quite Evident Here
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Posted by: doneman2000 on Jun 7, 2008 2:05 PM   
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Look thru the posts and you'll find so many GOP goons/rubes that some have to be paid shills from the GOP. Oh and those "I was for Hill but now I'm for McCain" are no more than people who vote their emotions and not the issues. I especially love the chararcters who say Obama will do this Obama will do that. To them I say show me the proof. Compared to McCain, Obama and Hillary are near identical on the issues. Of course, four more years of Bush policies might just be what the doctor ordered, if you're very very wealthy. For the rest of us, eight years of Bush rule is about all our constitution and our pocketbooks can handle.

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Posted by: mzha on Jun 7, 2008 2:08 PM   
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Everyone seems to forget or do not realize that our economy and other woes in this country is really from a democratic congress. Many blame Bush but Bush can only work with what was handed him. Remember Mccain fought for this country. His sons are fighting for this country. What has Obama done? He is too young and naieve and week to run this country. He has bad judgement and is associated with radicals that will bring more problems for our great country.

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Obama stole his candidacy just as he stole it when he got elected as senator.
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Posted by: olandug on Jun 7, 2008 7:41 PM   
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It is clear that there are nefarious players behind the scenes. How is it he could have so many criminal and fanatical connections and still be in the running? I am convinced that those of the Middle East who wish to destroy this nation have found a way to do it from the inside. We as Americans all know the power of money and who has more of it than those of the Middle East. Somehow they have jerry rigged the media to make Obama a Teflon Obama and now they are playing with the economy such as raising the gas prices so as to put the republican administration in a bad light. It is the Trojan horse again and most Americans seem too stupid to recognize it.

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Re: Saperstein's article...
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Posted by: Bibsisis on Jun 7, 2008 11:27 PM   
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in which he boasts of his predictions that Hillary Clinton didn't have a chance and his prediction that Barack Obama will handily defeat McCain, is written from his personal agenda as one biased against Senator Clinton and her achievements, probably a misogynist; he is also too confident that Senator Obama can/will defeat McCain.

#1. If so many dislike Sen. Clinton, why did she get 18,000,000 votes, being barely defeated by Sen. Obama?

#2. Why do you think the ignorant public, of which you appear to be one in view of your ill-thought out writing, will elect a bi-racial man over a white man?

#3. I supported Sen. Clinton, and I will now support Sen. Obama; however, when November comes, and the ignorant, gender and race-biased populace votes, they will still vote for an old, sick, crazy, corrupt, adulterous white man over a young, brilliant, well-educated, well-spoken, bi-racial man who has the qualities to get our country back into its former position of respect and our people helped with jobs and homes and children.

Boo-hiss on ya!

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Here's A Link To Fact Checker
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Posted by: desidid on Jun 8, 2008 4:08 AM   
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they check the facts of a story. Be informed people, because we have some among us who would love for a dumbed down electorate to vote this year. We can't afford to be stupid, we can't just trust any candidate, even the one we support, and we have to be able to refute lies, and misstatements when and where we find them. We also have a responsibility to challenge the candidate of our choice to ensure they are the best they can be.

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The extent of denial is truly amazing
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Posted by: Blink on Jun 8, 2008 8:36 PM   
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The denial of the MSM and Obamatons is amazing. The guy got absolutely blown out of the water in several key states and stumbled across the finish line after being shoved by the superdelegates, yet his flock of swooning supporters are somehow convinced it's going to be a blow-out for him in November.

Denial truly ain't just a river in Egypt.

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Pamela Valemont Numerologist.
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Posted by: pvalemont@bigpond.com on Jun 9, 2008 3:47 AM   
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I predicted that Barack Obama would be America's next President long ago, before the race became hot between Clinton and Obama, before Clinton conceded defeat. I sent my prediction to Shirley Maclaine's website, and newspapers and magazines in Australia. I agree that it will be a walk in the park for Obama.

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Fools Gold
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Posted by: Traven on Jun 9, 2008 8:03 AM   
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The last sane Republican leader to grace the American political landscape was Eisenhower. What he should be remembered for is not his warnings about the military industrial complex.

During his re-election campaign for his second term he was approached by the corporate big-wigs of the Republican Party to cut capital gains on business. One must remember that the United States was just recovering from the large financial costs of the WWII and the Korean War and the Pentagon was asking for hundreds of millions more everything under the sun.

Funny thing was Eisenhower was no dummy – he knew dam well that all those businessmen no matter which industry they can from directly benefited from the tax payers of the United States and all had grown rich, fat and happy from the money spent on WWII and Korean war.

Back then in 1956 all though then new car factories had been built with the profits form WWII. The same was true for the then 136 steel plants that had come about because of the war. The same for the aircraft industry, the mining industry, railroads and the thousands of factories than once were doing war production were re-tooled for peace – with the fat profits curtsey of the American tax payer. Then, there were those titans of industry who hadn’t re-tooled for peace; and wanted more bombers, and tanks and everything the tax payer could give them.

Eisenhower told then to go fuck them selves, and so these Republican titans of industry waited for the next president – Kennedy - they could brow beat to start alleviating from the responsibility of supporting American civilization while they laughed all the way to bank. They forced Johnson–because he knew they would use it against him in debates not to raise taxes to fund the Vietnam War. And every president since then is either believed in this insanity outright, (Bush), or was too chicken to fight them, (all the rest).

Fast forward 50 years and the sons and grandsons of these bastards are now paying next to nothing while our economy for the millions of tax payer goes down the drain.

You want an empire or a nation that works tax the rich at 33% like Ike did – else all your policy no matter what it’s for is inflationary rat insane.

That is why there is inflation and the money is worthless – the very rich have paid little to nothing since Reagan to support the American empire or American civilization. Last time I checked; these super rich who are not Democrats or Republicans anymore were too busy moving even more of your jobs and factories overseas.

All the while paying their media shills to lecture us about the greatness of the global economy -whilst they stash their money in overseas banks, overseas investments and write chump change checks to fuck headed Republicans to keep them in a lifestyle not due to merit.

Here’s the real state secret the American press won’t tell you about – how many American owned factories are there in China? Odd thing about China; it is not socialist or capitalist – but a corporate state happy to do business with Americans quick buck artists who foolishly believe that China will never do to us what we did to England in the 19th century.

Oh and in closing China can afford oil at 200, 300 or 400 a barrel and not look back - except to see the United States hiring itself out maybe as one of their armed thugs.

The blowback from gloabalism is just getting started.

A vote for McCain will just make the collapse go faster and is worst than a bunch lemmings jumping off a cliff.

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DemocRATic Party: Soft on the Criminals Bush and Cheney
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Jun 10, 2008 5:47 PM   
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I won't vote for any Democrat who does not support the impeachment of the criminals Bush and Cheney!!

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3 members of Obama's Church murdered
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Posted by: securacom-wtc on Jun 11, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Obama story:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/
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The bombshell may involve the murder of Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years. Two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007. All three were openly homosexual

Free Documentary on www.video.google.com 'One Nation Under Siege'(1.4hrs). Through the research and personal testimony of over a dozen internationally distinguished authors, journalists, doctors, and military experts (Major General Albert Stubblebine) you will understand the massive and ceaseless control projected onto an unsuspecting populace by a government that may have finally crossed the line from a representative republic to a fascist empire. From the USA PATRIOT Act and the blatant disregard for the Bill of Rights to the outright tracking of every human being on the planet earth, you will be stunned by what U.S. government documents describe for the future of America. http://www.undersiegemovie.com/
USA’s Constitution and currency are being destroyed from within. How? Videos free on www.video.google.com 1) America: Freedom to Fascism, 2 hrs; 2)911 Justice, 18min; 3) The Clinton Chronicles, 1.7 hrs; 4) Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement, 2 hrs, 5) Terrorstorm: A History of False Flag Terror, 2 hrs 6) 911 Mysteries, 2 hrs; 7)The Creature from Jekyll Island, 1hr; 8)Orwell Rolls in His Grave, 2hrs; 9) The War on Democracy, 1.5 hrs; 10) The Energy Non-Crisis, 1 hr; 11)Iraq for Sale 1.2 hr; 12) Zeitgeist, 2 hrs; 13)Ring of Power, 2.5 hrs; 14)Bush link to JFK, 1.5 hrs; 15) The Century of the Self, 4 hrs; 16) Loose Change (2nd ed & Final cut) 2hrs each; 17)John Pilger: The New Rulers of the World; 18) The Money Masters: How International Bankers Gained Control of America, 3.5 hrs 19) Barack Obama CFR info 20) Global Warming or Global Governance 21) The Great Global Warming Swindle 22) Mercury, Autism and The Global Vaccine Agenda 23) The CIA, Mind Control and Satanism 24)George Hunt: UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population Reduction) 25) End of NAtions - EU Takeover 26) Washington, You're Fired 27) Blackwater: America's Private Army 28) Esoteric Agenda 29) Fiat Empire: Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. COnstitution 30) The Revolution Will not be Televised [USA overthrow of Hugo Chavez] 31) One Nation Under Siege 32)Breaking The Silence - Truth and Lies in the War on Terror, by John Pilger(and all his documentaries) 33)Beyond Treason 1.5hrs

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Obama cult of personality a fifth column for a fascist america
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Posted by: mordezles on Jun 12, 2008 3:27 PM   
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Many of us Clinton supporters will vote for McCain because he is a centrist on most issues like Clinton. Obama is the spokesman for a fifth column, a fascist cult of personality, that seeks to use "us against them" to divide and then conquer. His mafia is racist: 90% plus black vote, stupid naive kids (Hitler) and wealthy cry baby bourgeios bohemians(clooney speilberg).

Notice Obama was first supported by the loser faction in the Democratic Party. It was a whole line of losers coming in behind Obama in the first few months. The Kennedys RUINED the Democratic Party. It wasn't until the Clintons that the Democrats became a powerhouse again. Just the fact that Obama is polling even with McCain shows what a weak candidate he is.

Obama truly digusts me. His angry, vicious wife, his psycho church, his criminal best friend Rezko.

This guy is a real horror show for America.
McCain 2008. Obama is a bigger horror show than George Bush... who was the worst ever! But I believe this goofball Obama will top the Bush freakshow for sure.

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Your Words feel like...
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Posted by: Taurannasaurus on Jun 6, 2008 12:36 AM   
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flowers.

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Like Yer Optimism...
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Posted by: Mr. Heathen on Jun 6, 2008 12:48 AM   
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But, you need to convince some of my neighbors that apparently are still unhappy about that little deal 143 years ago. (Yes, I'm in Ohio.)
I'm more inclined to focus on regional elections. I hope Borak wins. But, it would help if the Clintonistas will get off his back and let him make his own choices -STARTING WITH HIS CHOICE OF RUNNING MATE. He needs to pick a good Suth'nuh. Maybe someone from Ohio.

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McCain's health and the Repubs' chances
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Posted by: Hans B on Jun 6, 2008 1:35 AM   
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"Whatever the specific cause, he is not healthy, and mentally he is struggling to hold it together."

I think so too, and I was (once again) disappointed in the MSM which ran with the opposite story after a suspiciously short look, by non-experts, into McCain's medical history. Why didn't a single major newspaper or weekly ask the question, "If he's in good health, why can't we photocopy this dossier? Why can't doctors look at it? Why only three hours for thousands of pages?" There must be something there and they didn't ask the single most obvious question. Thank you Alternet for not falling for the gambit!

Regarding the author's prediction, I have another suspicion: that the Republicans don't want to win the White House. They know how much cleaning up has to be done, and they know the next prez will take the blame for the pain of it. I can think of no other reason why they would field such a pathetic group of candidates.

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nice sentiment, but...
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Posted by: huricane on Jun 6, 2008 2:21 AM   
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it presumes a fair election; 2000 and 2004 demonstrate that ways and means can be found to subvert an election. Simply put, the Republicans and their support sectors have put too much effort into swinging things their way to let some upstart Democrat spoil the party. They have also been improving their technique: caging lists in 2000, voting computer hacks in 04. What fun awaits in 08?

All I'm saying is that at this point Americans who want change need to protect the mechanisms of democracy. Talk to your neighbours, get involved with local campaigning, and yes, vote. And make sure it is known that you have voted - every vote that is made public is one they cannot take away or change. Curious that exit polling in 2004 was so very different than the official results, yes?

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THESE folks would beg to differ
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Posted by: xbj on Jun 6, 2008 2:21 AM   
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I submit, as always, ObamaNet, you are out of your collective minds and are going to look like the biggest asses come September-November if this ridiculous faux left disinfo is allowed to continue.

Princeton Astrophysicists' Take on Obama's Chances Against McCain

Hours old website
and forum.

But then, you'll just shrug your collective shoulders like the REST of the GOP-owned mainstream media and say "Ooop, sorry, our bad, we got it wrong."

As McCain launches the nukes on Iran (if Bush hasn't already done it first.)

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Obama at RunWay Show Amerika
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jun 6, 2008 3:21 AM   
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"Obama is the perfect candidate for Democrats, and a nightmare for McCain. Obama, who by every metric is a brilliant strategist, thinker and speaker..."

Obama is little more than a glib play-actor hired by the usual ruling class charlatans. Ditto for GOP McCain minus the smarmy charisma.

Put another way, "change we can believe in" translates to a more or less empty slogan built for the gullible out of a fully cooked DC-MSM axis.

To put Obama on a pedestal when he's fully committed to bogus, illegal "war on terror" for another 90,000 troops and virtually unconditional support for Wall Street paymasters that greased his way to the White House is bankrupt denial and folly.

But that's nothing new at Fascist Amerika – home of the kickback, land of the craven.

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Got to Pick a VP which cuts Macs Legs Out from Under him
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 6, 2008 3:32 AM   
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I never thought Hillary was the 'presumptive' nominee- I spent too much time throughout the '90's defending Both against accusations of self aborption, Opportunitism and Murder for Hire. Since Hillary statred voting in the Senate and esp while on th eCampaign trail- I have had to eat Crow. After her RFK wishful thinking(?) I even began to wonder about Fosters (?) Suicide Too.
Obama must first NOT go to Iraq, and stay as Safe as Possible. Frankly My excitment about his win is tempered by my knowledge of this countries History.I think Mac is 'Baiting' Him - I No longer Trust or even admire Sen McCain, He Reeks of Cheney and His Organized Crime Sydicate.
I was elated when Barrack stated he would begin Investigations into thisAdministrations Crimes- but hope he keeps this a plan close to his vest.
But most importantly He must find a VP who serves several puposes. Someone with Military Service (combat expereince)who dispells the Hero Image from 40 yrs ago and shows what a REal patriot has done ever since. This person must also be a Change from 'business as ususal'decision-A Republican who has shown they do not fear their Party's Power. Also someone who cna set the Racist elements Minds at ease, bu t not one they would 'prefer'- those posing a danger to Obama.Someone who could bring in a few previously held 'RED' States. And one who Independents will find diffficult to deny as Bi partisan.

Obama/Hagel '08

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Right On
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 6, 2008 3:37 AM   
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Echoes my own thoughts. Watching McCain since he embraced GWB that day four years ago, I've wondered how someone who could stand up to torture and pushed all that campaign reform legislation through the Senate could turn so soft headed. Ambition is one obvious answer, but he threw away his advantage as a maverick and has been wandering in the wilderness ever since. Sometimes, he just babbles, and not even his pals in the MSM can protect him from himself. Maybe it is PTSD. I predict his defeat in margins previously familiar to Democrats, say like McGovern's or Dukakis's.

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McCain's Brain
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 6, 2008 3:54 AM   
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Guy-

You are correct about Sen.McCain's unhealthy brain as evidence his multiple repetative verbal gaffs and his explosive temper.

Note that when candidates formally release their medical records as did both candidates there is only reference to the traditional medical history and tests.

But the most important organ- the brain -is ignored!

This most important organ needs to be included by those physicians assessing our candidates for the highest office in the land. So too for the periodic presidential exam. Objectively validated tests exists to do so. The brain is no longer "the mysterious black box" it used to be.

A complete exam for ALL of us actually should include brain evaluation.

Dr. Rick Lippin
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Never underestimate the ability of a Democrat to lose an election
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Posted by: AndyF on Jun 6, 2008 3:56 AM   
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If anything has been made clear it is this, that the Democrats have an unparalleled ability to wrest defeat from the jaws of victory. Hillary Clinton's bids for the VP slot are just the first step of many in which the Democrats will work to sabotage their chances.

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Posted by: MaryMag on Jun 6, 2008 4:04 AM   
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They stole in 2000 and again in 2004. Do NOT put it past them to steal again. See Mark Crispin Miller's two part video at: newsfromunderground.com. THEY ARE IN A GOOD POSITION TO STEAL AGAIN. Heavy voter turn out is extremely important.

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BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR
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Posted by: Mystery Solver on Jun 6, 2008 4:10 AM   
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RANDOM THOUGHT: IF OBAMA IS ELECTED AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. HE WILL PARDON THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THIS I GUARANTEE. I ENVISION OBAMA SAYING "WE MUST MOVE AMERICA FORWARD TO A NEW CHAPTER AND NOT REVERT BACK TO THE TIME WHEN OUR GREAT COUNTRY WAS MARRED WITH PARTISAN POLITICS OF THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION." THIS WILL BE OBAMA'S EXCUSE TO PARDON BUSH AND CO. IF THIS HAPPEN, AND IT WILL, WILL YOU LEFTY'S REEVALUATE YOUR FALSE EXPECTATIONS OF YOUR MESSIAH, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA? JUST A THOUGHT.

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he could lose it if pressured into having Hillary as a running mate
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 6, 2008 4:12 AM   
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Hope this doesn't happen. I have suggested Elizabeth Edwards as his VP choice. Seriously.

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It's Not That Simple...
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Posted by: guybjones on Jun 6, 2008 4:32 AM   
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I hope the author's optimism is confirmed by actual events. Unfortunately, the cynic (or is is pessimist?) in me thinks otherwise. Sure, in a perfectly rational and objective world, no Republican would have a snowball's chance in hell of winning in November, what with the waste left behind by the Bush Administration's failed domestic and foreign policies. Inflation, the falling value of the dollar, an insane $10 trillion national debt, the Iraq War, the evisceration of the rule of law and commitment to international human rights standards -- it shouldn't even be an open question. Unfortunately, I think one should never underestimate the gullibility of the American electorate, especially in an election year. Couple that with significant latent and overt racist sentiment, or just general antipathy towards Obama engendered by his name, or whatever, and there may be enough votes to tilt the election (barely) in McCain's favor. We should take nothing for granted in this election and fight from an underdog perspective. Because, at the end of the day, no matter how brilliant his rhetoric or how much money he has raised, Obama is an anti-establishment candidate running against well-entrenched powers who will see him as a threat.

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Change and Vision???
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Posted by: ot on Jun 6, 2008 4:45 AM   
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Give me a break. Obama is AIPAC's whore. Just a couple of weeks ago I predicted that Obama would soon be groveling at the feet of Zionist interests. It didn't take him long.

Put your pot pipes down, foolish liberals.

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Obamamamas
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jun 6, 2008 5:17 AM   
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I swear Obama supporters have got to be some of the dumbest sheeple on the planet. They think they're so smart because they figured out McCain is a fraud. McCain was chosen as the one to hand the torch over to the democraps so they can try their hand at wrecking the country for 8 years. And wreck it they will. You think conservatives like to spend money? HA! $295 billion dollar cost overruns are nothing compared to the kind of graft an Obama administration will generate.

By not having a close race, it ensures that no real issues will be addressed.

And the really sad part is that even despite history's clear warning, a majority of Oblama supporters want to see hillary be VP. Nuts! Johnson killed Kennedy. Bush tried to kill Reagan. Go read about it, it is hidden in plain view. And now, despite the fact that the Clintons show every sign of delusional psychopathy, Obamamites are still too dumb to be able to add 2 + 2. If you dont want to save your country because of a lifetime of propaganda and programming, that is fine, but at least save your candidate by keeping the Clintons as far away from him as possible! No more Arkancides!

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Perception Is Everything
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Posted by: desidid on Jun 6, 2008 5:28 AM   
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And adding to Obama's natural advantages, McCain has just enough integrity to try to match up with Obama on issues. In that debate on substance, Obama's overwhelming intellectual superiority and mental alertness will become obvious.

I see this as a problem for Obama if the media sells McCain to the low information voter as a tragic figure, because of the whooping Obama is capable of giving him. Who can explain how or why voters, as we continue to see, vote against their own interest. I think the answer lies not in reality but, perception. Whether anyone likes it or not, the low information White voter will perceive Obama as a thug mugging an old White man if, he aggressively makes his points. Fortunately we have a candidate who may be well aware that perception is often more powerful in American politics than any reality ever could be.

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Sure hope you're right, but
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Posted by: patmcclung on Jun 6, 2008 5:39 AM   
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Republicans do very well electing and propping-up a senile President. Just think of Ronald Reagan. He didn't even know the meanings of the words that appeared on his invisible teleprompter. You watch the Republican Ninja contingent pull their long knives on Obama. They will inundate the campaign with false allusions and innuendo. Saturation bombing. The red state working people may not be able to withstand this. They may go for McCain, just as they fell for Reagan.

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Obama's Presidency is our last opportunity
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Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 6, 2008 5:45 AM   
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to save ourselves from social chaos and a global catastrophe from which very few humans would survive, if any. The planet Earth we live on today is grossly overpopulated, horribly polluted, disease laden and teetering on the brink of political madness, World War 3 and ecocide - the death of the Earth's life-support systems that feed us.

To survive we must return to a rational, common sense way of life that saves a healthy future for our children and grandchildren. The robber baron capitalism we now suffer under fails to do that. In its place we need a genuine working democracy in which local people take responibility for their own well planned families to grow their own food, make their own clothes and educate their own children - like our pioneer ancestors, but without religious fanaticism or racism, instead a decent respect for all humanity and all life everywhere. -- How To Save The Earth

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Thanks for the Feelgood Story, But...
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Posted by: BitcoDavid on Jun 6, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Some time in late September, early October there will be another "attack." King W. will declare a state of emergency, followed by martial law. Elections will be suspended indefinitely, and Amerika will become the Christian fascist stronghold the Repugnicans have always wanted.

Economic recession will fade to all out depression, class separation will attain a parity with that of 18th century France, and we will find ourselves embroiled in an unending, global war.

The false dichotomy of "you're with us or against us" will become the rule of law, and Gitmos will open up all over the occupied world. Intellectuals, authors, teachers and "rogue' religious leaders will become the occupants of those Gitmos. A policy will be instituted that will allow the rich to use these individuals for free labor, making us again competitive, in the new world economy.

Eventually, however, it will be necessary to deal with us, the subversives, once and for all. A mandate will come down from on high, the necessity will exist for a policy of "final solution."

Tribunals will be established to determine the above individuals as "terrorists." Listening devices and video surveillance will become commonplace, and Black Marias will patrol the streets in abandon.

In the middled of the night, as you, I, we, and our families sleep, they will come. They will take us in, try us and send us off to the new Auschwitz's, and none will be the wiser as to our fates.

One day, your granddaughter will ask you about something odd she had learned in her History class. She'll ask you who Obama was. You'll put your forefinger up to your lips, signifying the need for a whisper, and point to the microphones , strategically placed in your living room. "Obama," you'll whisper back, "Obama was just a silly dream some of us once had."

DG

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