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Election 2008

Obama Says He Won, But Clinton Does Not Concede

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted June 4, 2008.


Even as Obama wins dozens of superdelegates, Clinton says she will review her options for "the best interests of our party and our country."
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Sixteen months after he announced an unlikely and audacious bid to change American politics, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) appeared to win the necessary delegates to be the Democratic National Convention presidential nominee in 2008.

"Tonight, we mark the end of one historic journey with the beginning of another -- a journey that will bring a new and better day to America," Obama said, speaking at a large rally in Minneapolis, Minnesota. "Because of you, tonight, I can stand before you and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for president of the United States."

Meanwhile, as mainstream media were declaring an end to her candidacy, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), speaking to her supporters in New York City, refused to concede the nomination and reiterated the points she will make to party leaders in coming days: that she would be the strongest candidate to win in the fall.

"I am committed to uniting our party, so we can move forward, stronger and more ready than ever to take back the White House this November," she said. "In the coming days, I'll be consulting with supporters and party leaders to determine how to move forward with the best interests of our party and our country guiding the way."

Tuesday was the final day of the Democrat's 2008 nominating season, with Obama winning Montana and Clinton winning South Dakota. As the polls closed in Montana, Obama announced the support of more than two dozen superdelegates -- party leaders -- that pushed him far past the 2,118 delegate threshold needed to become the nominee, according to a tally by the Associated Press. In contrast, Clinton had 1,907 delegates.

As Obama supporters celebrated from coast to coast, and their candidate praised Clinton in his remarks and then opened a General Election-style campaign by distinguishing his views from those of the Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Clinton left open the possibility that she would contest Obama's delegate totals within the party's governing bodies. Just this past weekend, a top campaign lawyer accused the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee of "hijacking" delegates after that body accepted a compromise on seating the Florida and Michigan delegations. It remains to be seen whether Clinton will appeal that decision to the party's Credentials Committee.

"Now the question is, where do we go from here, and given how far we've come and where we need to go as a party, it's a question I don't take lightly," she said.

Despite her refusal to concede, Obama praised Clinton in his remarks, saying she was among the Democratic Party's best and brightest leaders, and one who would be very influential in the party for years to come. "Our party and our country are better off because of her," he said, "and I am a better candidate for having had the honor to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton."

Obama then turned to the question on many Democrat's minds -- how to heal the rift in the party between Democrats who support him and who support Clinton.

"There are those who say that this primary has somehow left us weaker and more divided," he said. "Well I say that because of this primary, there are millions of Americans who have cast their ballot for the very first time. There are Independents and Republicans who understand that this election isn't just about the party in charge of Washington, it's about the need to change Washington. There are young people, and African Americans, and Latinos, and women of all ages who have voted in numbers that have broken records and inspired a nation."

Then, as is his style, Obama appealed to Democrat's better angels to unify behind a campaign for real change.

"All of you chose to support a candidate you believe in deeply," he began. "But at the end of the day, we aren't the reason you came out and waited in lines that stretched block after block to make your voice heard. You didn't do that because of me or Senator Clinton or anyone else. You did it because you know in your hearts that at this moment -- a moment that will define a generation -- we cannot afford to keep doing what we've been doing. We owe our children a better future. We owe our country a better future. And for all those who dream of that future tonight, I say - let us begin the work together. Let us unite in common effort to chart a new course for America."


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Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org and co-author of "What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election," with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (The New Press, 2006).

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Hillary needs to come back to reality
Posted by: masterofbadenglish on Jun 4, 2008 12:06 AM   
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There is one thing that she needs to consider. She needs to play well as much as Obama does. She has near abysmal support from the black community and lost even more ground by not positively commenting on this historic moment. She also has to play nice if she wants to be on his ticket because she has to win his supporters like his has to win hers. Bill Clinton's recent accusations about Obama and this speech on her part don't help her. If she wants support from the black community or to be VP for Barack she needs to give as much of the olive branch as Barack.

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» Amen! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» I agree! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
Please . . .
Posted by: purplewarrior on Jun 4, 2008 12:39 AM   
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I am Hillary's demographic. Please, Mr. Obama, don't put her on the ticket!

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» Oh yes she will Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
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Excuse me-- Barack 'says he won'-- WTH??? He won the required delegates and is the nominee. There is
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jun 4, 2008 12:43 AM   
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no question of that.

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» And Pigs are Free to Fly Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Is Pigs are Free to Fly Posted by: Persephone8
Zoez
Posted by: zoez on Jun 4, 2008 12:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary is all about grabbing power anyway she can! Now that she has lost the nomination, she has decided that she wants to be Vice President. Hey, whatever it takes to get back into the White House!

It would be a disaster if Obama made her his VP. She and Bill would be undermining his campaign constantly. She would be running as President, not as his Vice President. And, once they got elected, she and Bill would be off doing whatever they wanted.

I honestly think Obama and his team are smarter than that, and see Hillary for who she really is. I too, am her demographic. I use to support her and thought she would make a great President. Not anymore! She has proven that she is a liar, deceitful, and will do anything to win. She has undercut Obama constantly, and he continues to treat her with respect. I admire him for that, and have increasingly come to dislike and distrust her.

Hillary wants to position herself so that if anything should happen to Obama, she could take his place. I wouldn't turn my back on her, if I were him.

Hopefully, he will pick another woman as his running mate.

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» I'm not sure who it would be, Posted by: WhuThe?!?
The Clinton era is over
Posted by: primalscream on Jun 4, 2008 2:08 AM   
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The Reagan era of American politics is finally ending, and with it, the Clinton era of Democratic politics is ending, as well. Just as Eisenhower will forever be linked with the New Deal era even though he was a Republican (he slowed it a bit but did not fundamentally overthrow it), so the Clintons will forever be linked with the conservatism that has dominated American politics since 1980. They represent a shameful chapter of Democratic Party history in which the party felt it could not win if it ran left of center, so it didn't. Rather, it gleefully helped the GOP move the goal posts to the right. Fortunately, their time is past. They don't want to admit it, but that's their problem. Thanks to the idiot GWB, it's possible to be a real Democrat again. The country may not have been ready for Bradley or Dean, but post-GWB, things are different. America is ready for Obama.

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» RE: The Clinton era is over Posted by: CatDad
The process defines lunacy...
Posted by: Smiggsy on Jun 4, 2008 2:23 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Goodbye Hillary. Can you just go away now you've lost. What a narcissistic over-privileged back-stabbing b@$th. Take the wingeing husband ex-prez with you too & please hit your head on the way out.

Not to mention the system. These nomination processes are run by lunatics for lunatics and all you poor americans have to put up with a complete load of B.S.

Put everyone on the ticket for the presidential election regardless of party allegiances. Run the national ballot. Get a result. Why does it need to take 12 months.

The system is broke....

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Death Sentence
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jun 4, 2008 2:24 AM   
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If Obama runs with clinton as vice-president candidate, I'm afraid he will be signing his own death sentence, literally.
After what that ... person implied when she cited Bobby Kennedy's candidacy, there are few doubts that, if called for the vice-pesidency candidacy, she will become the president, one way or another, most probably over obama's political or even physical dead body.
Accepting Clinton as vice president would be like opening doors to a deadly trojan horse.

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Hillary Shows Her True Colors
Posted by: desidid on Jun 4, 2008 3:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Class isn't something you can buy and even with 109,000,000 in the bank, she is bankrupt when it comes to class. She not only stole the moment from Barack Obama, she stole it from 33 million Black people who have struggled for 400 years to get to this moment. There is a segment of Hillary's constituency that no legitimate politician should want, but she has cultivated. Those people of WV who stated matter of factly to the pollsters that they would not vote for Obama because of the color of his skin. Unlike Obama, who has gone out of his way to straight forwardly tell those who have voted for him, if their vote was against a woman he didn't need it, Hillary has never told her supporters if they were voting against race she didn't need them, because she obviously did. I once thought highly of Hillary, today I'm ashamed to have been duped so thoroughly by her and her husband.

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» RE: Hillary Shows Her True Colors Posted by: seilnotnilc
» The best milk comes from happy cows Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Chosen People! Posted by: carbon-based
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This is laughable
Posted by: xi_people on Jun 4, 2008 3:28 AM   
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Billary will never let reality get the way of their delusions of grandeur, and the media is obediently following along -- did anyone else notice how many online newspapers carried pictures of Obama next to Hillary, along with a headline of her "demand" to be chosen for VP?

The level of baseless arrogance being displayed here is breathtaking. What will she do next "for the good of the country and the party"?

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» RE: This is laughable Posted by: Sissy
Hideous Clinton
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 4, 2008 3:31 AM   
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The woman has no peer. She is disgusting.

Hideous Clinton

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: Hideous Clinton Posted by: Moira61
Holding her breath...
Posted by: Moira61 on Jun 4, 2008 3:31 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
waiting to see if Obama makes her his VP. That's why she's not conceding, she wants to see if she can get her way and if he decides to choose someone else (anyone else, please!)then she'll not campaign for him, she'll say some lunacy about how it's the popular vote that counts and she'll fight him all the way to the convention. She's a spoiled bitch with absolutely no class whatsoever, like a little brat holding her breath until she gets her way. Ever seen a kid throw themselves to the ground having a temper tantrum ? It's the same thing here.

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just like the super delegates the voters have changed their minds about her
Posted by: seilnotnilc on Jun 4, 2008 3:36 AM   
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In a May 16-27 survey of Democratic voters, Obama was preferred over Clinton by 51 percent to 38 percent – nearly the reverse of Clinton's 51.5 percent to Obama's 43.2 percent in the California primary.

this is a survey done by the Sacramento Bee and is more relevant than the relatively few loud mouthed fans of MRS Clinton.

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The voters said he won and who cares about MRS Clinton?
Posted by: seilnotnilc on Jun 4, 2008 3:46 AM   
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The rabble rousing MRS Clinton has just added one more mistake to her dossier of them. Stepping on the toes of the African Americans who have had a momentous moment in history will not bode well and reinforces her inability to play by the rules. Her lack of grace is off the chart. She has no cards to play; this is a bluff and she should be called on it.

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a white southerner would not go amiss as a running mate
Posted by: Suzon on Jun 4, 2008 4:02 AM   
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Elizabeth Edwards anyone?

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» Bill Richardson anyone? Posted by: Kelly
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Be reasonable, no Clinton VP
Posted by: momilitia on Jun 4, 2008 4:12 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We have chosen a nominee that we want to bring change and hope, also an administration that acts under the Constitution, for a change. Do not destroy this by putting Clinton on the ticket or even in the administration, it will just put us under a cloud of the old days that will not go away.
Please Mr. Obama give us real change.

Thank you.

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Contrasting the speeches
Posted by: SufiLizard on Jun 4, 2008 4:27 AM   
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I find it telling that Obama's speech last night was humble and focused on the issues, and We the People.

Hillary's on the other hand was mostly about her.

I think that's illustrative.

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"The Best Interests of Our Party and Our Country" ????????
Posted by: Persephone8 on Jun 4, 2008 4:45 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Even as Obama wins dozens of super delegates, Clinton says she will review her options for "the best interests of our party and our country."



Senator Clinton needs to take a spaceship to a new planet with no name and stay there for the rest of mankinds' future.

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» Planet. . . . Posted by: Prairie Waif
Clinton as Obama's VP
Posted by: Marlena on Jun 4, 2008 4:49 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
would be worse than Aaron Burr as Jefferson's VP.
I would bet Barack's advisers are aware of this. Seems to me that it's only Hill's most rabid supporters and the media who think an Obama/Clinton is a "dream" It's a fracking nightmare!!

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She is NOT keeping her "promise"
Posted by: Sissy on Jun 4, 2008 4:51 AM   
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Hasn't she been saying for some weeks now, even when it became obvious that "the math wasn't there", that she would "wait until the last Primary"? Well, we had the last Primary and what is she waiting for?

We need to get on with this process and whupping McCain's butt. No one disagrees that Barack has "some work to do". Let him get on with it. I curiously watched as much as I could stand, Faux Noise last night in betwixt my boyfriend Olberman and Chris Mathews, and Obama is the Right's worst nightmare and what a contrast in reporting! Karl Rove and Britt Hume are a pair to draw to, that's for sure.

Let's get this going.

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Gemajabe
Posted by: gemajabe on Jun 4, 2008 4:56 AM   
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The hatred directed towards Senator Clinton on this site is misplaced and misoganistic. It is sad that this country has such difficulty seeing women in positions of power. I would have preferred her, but will vote for Senator Obama when he is declared the nominee. However, if Senator Clinton, I and many other women and men who supported her will work a lot harder for that ticket. Yes, it is a step forward that a person of mixed race has come this far. When will a a representative of 51% of the population achieve entry into the Executive Branch? Senator Clinton carried states in Democratic primaries that must be carried in a general election. She will help, not hurt the ticket. He will have a far better chance of winning

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Debt Reduction
Posted by: solrev on Jun 4, 2008 5:21 AM   
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If Clinton has enough clout with some supers to keep them from indorsing Obama, she can keep alive a change in the Florida and Michigan rulings. This can buy her some time for debt reduction. I think the demons will give her a couple of weeks to beat the bushes. Even Obama will participate or he may end up picking up the debt. As a presidential candidate she is old news and will not get any free media time. She may also do a little back room negotiating for VP. There is no doubt she would bring a lot of votes with her, however as a candidate of change forcing Obama to play politics as usual will cost some votes. Either way Obama will win the national election. Being an Illinois politician, I think Obama will cut a deal and go for the largest mandate possible. He is going to need a big stick to shake at congress.

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Pathetic and Sad, Yet....
Posted by: ChicagoPaul on Jun 4, 2008 5:34 AM   
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Yes, Senator Clinton should have been at least as gracious to Senator Obama as he was to her. It is pathetic and sad that she couldn't muster the courage to do so. That act alone shows her weakness.

Congratulating him "on his campaign" is not the same thing as congratulating him on his victory. Her surrogates are trying to spin that she did recognize his victory, but she plainly didn't.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely." From the very beginning of this campaign (16 months ago), in her mind, this night was HER night. She still thinks so. Her campaign manager thinks so as well - still - even today! Her experiences with "power" have warped her judgment. This experience (if she can own up to it) will be a very healthy one for her.

Father Pfleger, who (to borrow a phrase from Rev. Wright) is "stuck on stupid," did actually get it right (even though tastelessly): She was the heir apparent, and this guy took it away from her. In a sense, she is saying that she still owns the basketball and the hoop and, if you want to continue to play, you have to do something for me.

That's the "old" politics that Senator Obama is trying to avoid. At this point, she has opened up the lobbying firm of Clinton and Clinton and is looking for something juicy for herself. Pathetic....and sad.

Yet, we all know that it is good to "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." I think he SHOULD ask Senator Clinton to be his Vice Presidential running mate. Not because of her "enemy" status, but because he knows that he can control her and her husband.

I heard his speech last night. It convinced me that he will be in control, and the Clintons will not.



Truth in packaging: I am a long time Obama supporter and contributor. I live in Illinois.

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» THE DNC NEEDS TO SLAP HER DOWN Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL
hillary as VP will TANK Obama's presidential run
Posted by: Farasien on Jun 4, 2008 5:42 AM   
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Obama is the clear winner of the dem. primaries. To me, and millions of others, he is the clarion call of hope for something resembling a turnaround for our rapidly decaying country. While he doesn't have all the answers, he has more than anybody else currently running. That's why he won, and should win in November.

That being said... His choice of a running mate will be absolutely critical to his success. The hillary BS Express is already ramping up the "make me VP or ESLE!" message. She sounds like she's threatening to keep running, thus torpedoing his chance as president if he doesn't take her as VP. If he does take her, his run is finished. I say this because, not only is hillary unlikable generally, but taking her on would be a liability. There is a reason prince dumbass and criminal drug addict rush limbaugh wanted her to win- when running against mcSame, she loses, every single time. If Obama makes the fatal mistake of taking her as VP, not only will her message (tailored to the rich-ass 'eep everything as it is' old blue dog dems) be in direct conflict with his own message (there will be no or serious resistance to any real change with hillary on board) but also, her reputation and epic trainload of shit not as yet attacked directly (whitewater, amongst a metric ton of other issues) will pull him down. Come on, guys, you know mcSame will do it and his idiot supporters will trumpet it loudly for the next 5 months. Also, by picking her, he will get Bill clinton in tow. While it may look OK to some for him to be on board, he puts his foot in his mouth nearly as much as shrub does and definitely does not help with the progressive message or mission Obama claims to champion.

If I had the choice, I think Bill Richardson would be the best top contender- his resume would help defeat the charge Obama doesn't have enough expirence. It would also help him pick up hispanic voters. Bill is a genuinely likeable and somewhat quiet guy- a perfect counterpoint to Obama's larger-than-life personality and charisma. Second choice, for me, would be Edwards. Progressive and also charismatic, but could keep himself in his appointed place rahter than try to do a back-door usurp of the president's power and place, as I'd bet hillary is likely to try and do. His other female VP contenders spoken about in the news all look like borderline neocons in how they do things and the few of them that have been in public are less than thrilling (see Sellibus's damn-near consession speech after the state of the union last year...).

Please Obama, for love of God sand Country, and in the name of your own message, PLEASE don't take up hillary. She is, at best, political poison!

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50 y/O whiteworking-class feminist SAYS:
Posted by: Red Emma on Jun 4, 2008 6:03 AM   
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it wasn't sexism that defeated Hillary Clinton--and REAL SEXISM IS TRIVIALIZED when Clinton & her supporters make this charge. Clinton made serious strategic mistakes and ran an "old style"(dirty poltics) campaign when many voters want to CHANGE POLITICAL DISCOURSE.
I am DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED in the campaign the Clintons ran--and feel it is a SETBACK for women. Obama hsa been so GRACIOUS and RESPECTFUL towards Sen.Clinton NO MATTER WHAT RACIST CRAP SHE THREW--and even last night, she ws INCAPABLE of his level of grace and regard.

Also: Hillary supporters are perpetrating FALSEHOODS: REPBUBLICANS through Rush Libaugh'S "oPERATIN cHAOS" urged republicans TO "CROSSOVER" and vote for hillary--NOT Obama. The CLINTONS (&their surrgoages) EXPLITED RACISM TO GET VOTES--but,ObmamNEVER SUED SEXISM--uite the opposite in fact.

Yes:Obama needs to speak far more DIRECTLY to white women & working-class white workers--and I know he can do that. Raise so-called "wopmen's issues" that HILLARY ENVER RAISED:pay equality that Supreme Court (Congres) jsut ditched for women;child care;violence against women;Inewuities in health insurance(women's birth control pills NOT paid for--while Viagra IS paid for).
Obama can talk abvout the WOMEN he will have in his cabinet, women doing diplomacy, etc.

As for white working-class: raise Employees Choice Act--making it easier for wokers to join unions; job health& safety law SHOULD BE ENFORCEED; get SPECIFIC about HOW he will protect workers' rights in trade deals.
But, DO NOT MAKE HILLARY VP: she should NOT be rewarded for the grotesue racism she's uded. And besides the Cltins ALREADY AHD THEIR EIGHT YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Enough is enough. At 50 years old, I've been wating for this "generational shift" since 1996-- the end of the Clintons' FIRST term in office--when I voted for Ralph Nader.
This year, Barack Obama is the TRUE candidate for REAL feminists. Hillary just tried to piggy-=back on a movement that she NEVER was a "standard bearer" for--except in ONE SPEECH in Beiging. Shje;s CORPROATE FEMINISIM all the way:I want my piece of this rotten pie by-any-means-necessary. That's NOT the feminism of REAL change,.

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and may all his promises come true....
Posted by: ptown on Jun 4, 2008 6:16 AM   
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and may all his promises come true....
exiting iraq, building a clean energy economy, health care for all...

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