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McClellan's Memoirs Hurt McCain Just as Much as Bush
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They thought they were being so slick. When the McCain campaign abruptly moved last Tuesday’s fund-raiser with President Bush from the Phoenix Convention Center to a private home, it was the next best thing to sending the loathed lame duck into the witness protection program. John McCain and Mr. Bush were caught on camera together for a mere 26 seconds, and at 9 p.m. Eastern time, safely after the networks’ evening newscasts. The two men’s furtive encounter on the Phoenix airport tarmac, as captured by a shaky, inaudible long shot on FoxNews.com, could have been culled from a surveillance video.
But for the McCain campaign, any “Mission Accomplished” high-fives had to be put on hold. That same evening Politico.com broke the news of Scott McClellan’s memoir, and it was soon All Bush All the Time in the mediasphere. Or more to the point: All Iraq All the Time, for the deceitful origins of the war in Iraq are the major focus of the former press secretary’s tell-all.
There is no news in his book, hardly the first to charge that the White House used propaganda to sell its war and that the so-called liberal media were “complicit enablers” of the con job. The blowback by the last Bush defenders is also déjà vu. The claims that Mr. McClellan was “disgruntled,” “out of the loop,” two-faced, and a “sad” head case are identical to those leveled by Bush operatives (including Mr. McClellan) at past administration deserters like Paul O’Neill, Richard Clarke, John DiIulio and Matthew Dowd.
So why the fuss? Mr. McClellan isn’t a sizzling TV personality, or, before now, a household name beyond the Beltway. His book secured no major prepublication media send-off on “60 Minutes” or a newsmagazine cover. But if the tale of how the White House ginned up the war is an old story, the big new news is how ferocious a hold this familiar tale still exerts on the public all these years later. We have not moved on.
Americans don’t like being lied to by their leaders, especially if there are casualties involved and especially if there’s no accountability. We view it as a crime story, and we won’t be satisfied until there’s a resolution.
That’s why the original sin of the war’s conception remains a political flash point, however much we tune out Iraq as it grinds on today. Even a figure as puny as Mr. McClellan can ignite it. The Democrats portray Mr. McCain as offering a third Bush term, but it’s a third term of the war that’s his bigger problem. Even if he locks the president away in a private home, the war will keep seeping under the door, like the blood in “Sweeney Todd.”
Mr. McCain and his party are in denial about this. “Elections are about the future” is their mantra. On “Hardball” in April, Mr. McCain pooh-poohed debate about “whether we should have invaded or not” as merely “a good academic argument.” We should focus on the “victory” he magically foresees instead.
But the large American majority that judges the war a mistake remains constant (more than 60 percent). For all the talk of the surge’s “success,” the number of Americans who think the country is making progress in Iraq is down nine percentage points since February (to 37 percent) in the latest Pew survey. The number favoring a “quick withdrawal” is up by seven percentage points (to 56 percent).
It’s extremely telling that when Gen. David Petraeus gave his latest progress report before the Senate 10 days ago, his testimony aroused so little coverage and public interest that few even noticed his admission that those much-hyped October provincial elections in Iraq would probably not happen before November (after our Election Day, wanna bet?). Contrast the minimal attention General Petraeus received for his current news from Iraq with the rapt attention Mr. McClellan is receiving for his rehash of the war’s genesis circa 2002-3, and you can see what has traction this election year.
There are other signs of Iraq’s durable political lethality as well. Looking for a bright spot in their loss of three once-safe House seats in special elections this spring, Republicans have duly noted that the Democrats who won in Louisiana and Mississippi were social “conservatives,” anti-abortion and pro-gun. They failed to notice that all three Democratic winners, including the two in the South, oppose the war. Even more remarkably, new polling in Texas finds that an incumbent Republican senator and Bush rubber stamp, John Cornyn, is only four percentage points ahead of his Democratic challenger, Rick Noriega, a fierce war critic who served in Afghanistan.
In the woe-is-us analyses by leading Republicans about their party’s travails whether by the House G.O.P. leader John Boehner (in The Wall Street Journal) or the media strategist Alex Castellanos (in National Review) Iraq is conspicuous by its utter absence. The Republican brand’s crisis is instead blamed exclusively on excessive spending, scandal and earmarks it’s all the fault of Tom DeLay’s K Street Project, Jack Abramoff and that Alaskan “bridge to nowhere.”
This transcends denial; it’s group psychosis. Nowhere is this syndrome more apparent than in the profuse punditry of Karl Rove, who never cites Iraq as a problem for Mr. McCain (if he refers to it at all) and flatly assured George Stephanopoulos last Sunday that Mr. McCain has no need to make a “clean break” from Mr. Bush.
Mr. Rove is to the McCain campaign what Bill Clinton was to the Hillary Clinton campaign: a ubiquitous albatross dispensing dubious, out-of-date political advice and constantly upstaging the candidate he ostensibly supports. Like Mr. Clinton, Mr. Rove is a camera hog who puts his need to vehemently defend his own administration’s record ahead of all else. So what if he’s under subpoena by the House Judiciary Committee? He doesn’t care if he reminds voters of administration scandals or of Mr. McCain’s association with Iraq any more than Mr. Clinton cared if he reminded voters of his continued ties to suspect financial donors and the prospect of an out-of-control co-presidency.
Damaging as Mr. Clinton’s behavior was to his wife’s campaign, Iraq was worse. Mrs. Clinton could never credibly explain away her vote authorizing the war. Her repeated disingenuous attempts to fudge it ended up contaminating her credibility on other issues.
Mr. McCain’s record on Iraq is far worse than Mrs. Clinton’s. He didn’t just cast a vote but was a drumbeater for the propaganda Mr. McClellan cites, including the neocon fantasies of a newly democratic Middle East. On “Hardball” and “Meet the Press” in March 2003, Mr. McCain invoked that argument, along with the promise that Americans would be “welcomed as liberators,” to assert the war would be “one of the best things that’s happened to America.”
To cover up these poor judgments now and questionable actions, including his public boosting of Ahmad Chalabi, then a lobbying client of the current McCain campaign guru, Charles Black Mr. McCain is hoping that the “liberal media” will once again be complicit enablers. We’ll see. He’s also counting on the press to let him blur his record by accentuating his subsequent criticism of the war’s execution as if the war’s execution (also criticized by countless Democrats), not its conception, was the fatal error.
His other tactic is to try to create a smoke screen by smearing Barack Obama as unpatriotic. Mr. McCain has suggested that the Democratic front-runner is the Hamas candidate and has piled on to Mr. Bush’s effort to slur Mr. Obama as an apostle of “appeasement.” A campaign ad presented Mr. McCain as “the American president Americans have been waiting for” (not to be confused, presumably, with the un-American president Al Qaeda has been waiting for).
Now Mr. McCain is chastising Mr. Obama for not having visited Iraq since 2006 a questionable strategy, you’d think, given that Mr. McCain’s own propagandistic visit to a “safe” Baghdad market is one of his biggest embarrassments. Then again, in his frantic efforts to explain why he sided with Mr. Bush to oppose an expanded G.I. bill that the Senate passed by 75 to 22, Mr. McCain has attacked Mr. Obama for not enlisting in the military.
Besides making Mr. McCain look ever angrier next to his serene opponent, this eruption raises the question of why he chose double-standard partisanship over principle by not applying this criterion to the blunderers who took us into Iraq. Unlike Mr. Obama, who was 7 years old in 1968, Mr. Bush and company could have served in Vietnam as Mr. McCain did.
The McCain campaign may have no choice but to double down on Iraq what other issue does the candidate have? but it can’t count on smear tactics or journalistic and public amnesia to indefinitely enforce the McCain narrative. As the McClellan circus shows, unexpected bombshells will keep intervening detonating not only on the ground in Iraq but also in Washington, where more Bush alumni with reputations to salvage may yet run for cover about what went down in 2002-3.
As F. Scott Fitzgerald would have it, we will be borne back ceaselessly into the past. Or so we will be as long as Americans continue to die in Iraq and as long as politicians like Mr. Bush, Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton refuse to accept responsibility for their roles, major and minor, in abetting this national tragedy.
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Posted by: Quannah on Jun 1, 2008 1:23 PM
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Sen. Obama knows what he's doing. He feels confident that he can take on McStain with little-to-no trouble. Since McStain can't even make a simple statement without telepromters, I can't wait to see the upcoming Presidential Debates! This is gonna be good.
The only real risk Obama faces are the sleaze machines of the Right. They have legions of 527s ready to pounce with lies and innuendo to make the people (voters) question voting for Obama. I certainly hope the people of this country aren't stupid enough to fall for this again.
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Since when does a president want his subordinates to be sending the public mixed messages about anything at all??
Since when does a president NOT "sell" or use "propaganda" to forward his agenda?
Since when does a president NOT go before the American people to explain why war is necessary in the first place?
Since when does ANY president, in ANY country, at ANY time, want his council or administration to be disloyal to him??
After having listened to several tapes of Eisenhower, Johnson, and Nixon, I can tell you that they had TWO eyes on the electoral calendar. And I have no reason to believe that Kennedy, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, or Clinton were one iota different.
Perhaps Mr.McClellan thought he was applying to work at the neighborhood bakery. Any White House press secretary I've ever seen has been a "puppet" of the president who says what the president or his cabinet want him to say.
I don't believe the book will be full of lies, per se, but the entire context is distorted to embellish the worst possible light on Bush to sell a book. As far as this 24-hour a day campaign deal, well??? That's because we are now in the era of 24-hour news networks and 24 hour blogospheres.. You MUST stay up on your toes AND be in campaign mode 24/7..
What I find interesting is that mode actually began during the Clinton years and has only continued during the Bush years. Except when Clinton's team did it, they were hailed for their cleverness and sharpness and quick response. But when Bush does it, it's "propaganda."
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No other Vietnam vet has been vilified as much as Insane McCain. And that was before he refused to support the new GI Bill.
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Regardless of what many pundits think, the war will be issue number one in this election. And regardless of his military service and perceived experience, it's going to be a biiiig loser for McCain. The more he talks about it, the worse things will get for him (particularly since he can't seem to keep the facts straight in his head - or at least in his mouth). And since it's supposed to be his only "strength" in this election, he's basically toast. As others have mentioned here, I can't wait for the debates.
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Up until about the end of World War II America was a very reluctant participant in global conflict. Our cultural ethic was firmly entrenched in economic growth and a foreign policy which focussed on constructive global participation rather than belligerent intervention. And then there was the Bomb...
which was used only a few months before the then friendly Soviets also had it! Was that what changed our World?
Since about then US Militarism in a global context has been on the rise. If we can identify the root cause and a truthful rationale for our current single-minded military-supremacy politics, we may be able to catalyze some useful dialog at home and overseas. Why have such a large number of thinking people in the Western World turned against the current Administration? Is it because we have oversimplified human values of what is right or wrong? Have we turned into global thugs? I don't think so. But how do we convince the others now that we have this mess on our hands?
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On every other point, I agree with him. We've been negligent in failing to hammer how Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld sat out Vietnam. And, as pointed out in last week's Times Magazine, McCain's experience in Vietnam, while brutal, was removed from engagement on the battlefield. Still, the delusions that this war is "winnable" persist.
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Posted by: QCao009 on Jun 2, 2008 5:32 AM
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Quoting McClellan basically limits our imagination and pulls us back into a debate about Bush, while Bush is so yesterday. This monster of a human being will continue to sulk and wreck havoc on our nation for the rest of his term, and nothing he does should surprise us any more. On the other hand, he has so impoverished our nation, financially, politically, spiritually that we better start talking about how to rebuild it NOW, rather than wait any longer.
In due time, his legacy is indeed waiting him in the hellhole he deserves, and in January 2009, a lawsuit should be filed on behalf of all citizens to take back what they have looted from us these past eight years, even if we may never recover the name of our country which they have sullied.
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Posted by: Moore Hognutz on Jun 2, 2008 1:12 PM
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Will anyone read Scott McClellan's 'traitorous' book? Lots of Lefty Piranhas will scour it, no doubt, but not too many Lockstep GOP Baseniks, so what Scott says won't change many minds. Just my guess,I probably have it wrong. (I live in benighted North Carolina, where a lot of the hardworking white boys still think Obama's a muslim tatar. I have higher hopes for the accuity of hardworking white girls, who tend to keep their own council. We'll see, won't we.)
Captain McCain should certainly stay away from Sen. Obama. Any way possible. Particularly in debates, where he'll get fileted and pureed.
McCain would do well to follow the example of his Republican predecessor, A. Lincoln, who in 1860, upon winning the nomination, declined to make personal campaign appearances. He hunkered down in Springfield and waited for election day. His Republican friends campaigned for him, but Br'er Fox, he lay low.
That was a winning strategy in 1860, but I don't expect the present crop of Republicans to buy in. The Vision Thing.
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Politics is the Art of controlling one's environment ~ Hunter S. Thompson
I'm reminded of the Jeff Farias Show interview with H.Candace Gorman who talked of visiting her clients in Guantánamo & her escorting 'guards' who began commenting to her about her personal life & family in Chicago
CONSIDER:
DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE Rove wouldn't have **made sure he could control whoever became Press Secretary** before the job was given out?
Think about it: Does KKKarl Rove FAIL TO PLAN?
You wanna know Ol' Scotty Boy was no saint when he applied... but there is no way in HELL that the Bushevik Administration doesn't have INSURANCE to enforce COMPLIANCE against critical functionaries...
Compliance is EVERYTHING that defines this Administration. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if McCain's
- post-incarceration debriefing &
- medical-psychiatric notes
aren't kept IN A MAN-SIZED SAFE along with other 'critically important' confidential files.
get the right goods on people & they're YOURS - consider that McClellan probably took time out to **ensure his protection** from the Administration & that THE LACK a WILL TO PRIVACY could have a LOT to do with what's going on in our societies.
The Thieves of Virtue: legislating morality undermines representative government. really, VICE is contextual:
* gender
* ethnicity
* age
* race
all pay a part in morals. but VICE, should never be *criminalized*, especially in a nation where PRIVACY has been abolished
Who is PERFECT ENOUGH to represent THE PEOPLE or a populist reform when there is neither privacy nor the Will to preserve privacy in society?
Who stands *for the People* when Money & Power exert corrosive controls to extend their oppression & corruption?
Nobody is immune to *vice* as VICE is about how ONE PERSON privately & personally determines *how to enjoy their own body*
Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of "F.B.I. biometric database - 'Server in the Sky'"
...& THAT is how THE MORAL MAJORITY ensured Money & Power will kill representative government for The Peoples who seek JUSTICE, Freedom & Human Rights
"There is no 'we' in corruption":
"Yell Fire!": Bush to freeze peace activist assets? - Executive Order to "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq"
NSA's Domestic Spying Grows As Agency Sweeps Up Data
"shock & awe-ful thing"s: "Taking Liberties" & forced drugging of Non-Americans on US flights
Cops & Former Secret Service Agents Ran Black Ops on Green Groups
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Posted by: Quannah on Jun 1, 2008 1:23 PM
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Sen. Obama knows what he's doing. He feels confident that he can take on McStain with little-to-no trouble. Since McStain can't even make a simple statement without telepromters, I can't wait to see the upcoming Presidential Debates! This is gonna be good.
The only real risk Obama faces are the sleaze machines of the Right. They have legions of 527s ready to pounce with lies and innuendo to make the people (voters) question voting for Obama. I certainly hope the people of this country aren't stupid enough to fall for this again.
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Jun 1, 2008 2:01 PM
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Since when does a president want his subordinates to be sending the public mixed messages about anything at all??
Since when does a president NOT "sell" or use "propaganda" to forward his agenda?
Since when does a president NOT go before the American people to explain why war is necessary in the first place?
Since when does ANY president, in ANY country, at ANY time, want his council or administration to be disloyal to him??
After having listened to several tapes of Eisenhower, Johnson, and Nixon, I can tell you that they had TWO eyes on the electoral calendar. And I have no reason to believe that Kennedy, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, or Clinton were one iota different.
Perhaps Mr.McClellan thought he was applying to work at the neighborhood bakery. Any White House press secretary I've ever seen has been a "puppet" of the president who says what the president or his cabinet want him to say.
I don't believe the book will be full of lies, per se, but the entire context is distorted to embellish the worst possible light on Bush to sell a book. As far as this 24-hour a day campaign deal, well??? That's because we are now in the era of 24-hour news networks and 24 hour blogospheres.. You MUST stay up on your toes AND be in campaign mode 24/7..
What I find interesting is that mode actually began during the Clinton years and has only continued during the Bush years. Except when Clinton's team did it, they were hailed for their cleverness and sharpness and quick response. But when Bush does it, it's "propaganda."
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 1, 2008 7:26 PM
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Obama, who is smarter and mentally tougher than Insane McCain, will clean his clock in the TV debates next fall.
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 1, 2008 7:43 PM
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No other Vietnam vet has been vilified as much as Insane McCain. And that was before he refused to support the new GI Bill.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran and ARDENT Obama fan.
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Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Jun 1, 2008 9:32 PM
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Regardless of what many pundits think, the war will be issue number one in this election. And regardless of his military service and perceived experience, it's going to be a biiiig loser for McCain. The more he talks about it, the worse things will get for him (particularly since he can't seem to keep the facts straight in his head - or at least in his mouth). And since it's supposed to be his only "strength" in this election, he's basically toast. As others have mentioned here, I can't wait for the debates.
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Posted by: kiwijohn on Jun 2, 2008 12:19 AM
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Up until about the end of World War II America was a very reluctant participant in global conflict. Our cultural ethic was firmly entrenched in economic growth and a foreign policy which focussed on constructive global participation rather than belligerent intervention. And then there was the Bomb...
which was used only a few months before the then friendly Soviets also had it! Was that what changed our World?
Since about then US Militarism in a global context has been on the rise. If we can identify the root cause and a truthful rationale for our current single-minded military-supremacy politics, we may be able to catalyze some useful dialog at home and overseas. Why have such a large number of thinking people in the Western World turned against the current Administration? Is it because we have oversimplified human values of what is right or wrong? Have we turned into global thugs? I don't think so. But how do we convince the others now that we have this mess on our hands?
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On every other point, I agree with him. We've been negligent in failing to hammer how Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld sat out Vietnam. And, as pointed out in last week's Times Magazine, McCain's experience in Vietnam, while brutal, was removed from engagement on the battlefield. Still, the delusions that this war is "winnable" persist.
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Posted by: QCao009 on Jun 2, 2008 5:32 AM
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Quoting McClellan basically limits our imagination and pulls us back into a debate about Bush, while Bush is so yesterday. This monster of a human being will continue to sulk and wreck havoc on our nation for the rest of his term, and nothing he does should surprise us any more. On the other hand, he has so impoverished our nation, financially, politically, spiritually that we better start talking about how to rebuild it NOW, rather than wait any longer.
In due time, his legacy is indeed waiting him in the hellhole he deserves, and in January 2009, a lawsuit should be filed on behalf of all citizens to take back what they have looted from us these past eight years, even if we may never recover the name of our country which they have sullied.
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Posted by: Moore Hognutz on Jun 2, 2008 1:12 PM
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Will anyone read Scott McClellan's 'traitorous' book? Lots of Lefty Piranhas will scour it, no doubt, but not too many Lockstep GOP Baseniks, so what Scott says won't change many minds. Just my guess,I probably have it wrong. (I live in benighted North Carolina, where a lot of the hardworking white boys still think Obama's a muslim tatar. I have higher hopes for the accuity of hardworking white girls, who tend to keep their own council. We'll see, won't we.)
Captain McCain should certainly stay away from Sen. Obama. Any way possible. Particularly in debates, where he'll get fileted and pureed.
McCain would do well to follow the example of his Republican predecessor, A. Lincoln, who in 1860, upon winning the nomination, declined to make personal campaign appearances. He hunkered down in Springfield and waited for election day. His Republican friends campaigned for him, but Br'er Fox, he lay low.
That was a winning strategy in 1860, but I don't expect the present crop of Republicans to buy in. The Vision Thing.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 4, 2008 8:27 AM
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Politics is the Art of controlling one's environment ~ Hunter S. Thompson
I'm reminded of the Jeff Farias Show interview with H.Candace Gorman who talked of visiting her clients in Guantánamo & her escorting 'guards' who began commenting to her about her personal life & family in Chicago
CONSIDER:
DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE Rove wouldn't have **made sure he could control whoever became Press Secretary** before the job was given out?
Think about it: Does KKKarl Rove FAIL TO PLAN?
You wanna know Ol' Scotty Boy was no saint when he applied... but there is no way in HELL that the Bushevik Administration doesn't have INSURANCE to enforce COMPLIANCE against critical functionaries...
Compliance is EVERYTHING that defines this Administration. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if McCain's
- post-incarceration debriefing &
- medical-psychiatric notes
aren't kept IN A MAN-SIZED SAFE along with other 'critically important' confidential files.
get the right goods on people & they're YOURS - consider that McClellan probably took time out to **ensure his protection** from the Administration & that THE LACK a WILL TO PRIVACY could have a LOT to do with what's going on in our societies.
The Thieves of Virtue: legislating morality undermines representative government. really, VICE is contextual:
* gender
* ethnicity
* age
* race
all pay a part in morals. but VICE, should never be *criminalized*, especially in a nation where PRIVACY has been abolished
Who is PERFECT ENOUGH to represent THE PEOPLE or a populist reform when there is neither privacy nor the Will to preserve privacy in society?
Who stands *for the People* when Money & Power exert corrosive controls to extend their oppression & corruption?
Nobody is immune to *vice* as VICE is about how ONE PERSON privately & personally determines *how to enjoy their own body*
Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of "F.B.I. biometric database - 'Server in the Sky'"
...& THAT is how THE MORAL MAJORITY ensured Money & Power will kill representative government for The Peoples who seek JUSTICE, Freedom & Human Rights
"There is no 'we' in corruption":
"Yell Fire!": Bush to freeze peace activist assets? - Executive Order to "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq"
NSA's Domestic Spying Grows As Agency Sweeps Up Data
"shock & awe-ful thing"s: "Taking Liberties" & forced drugging of Non-Americans on US flights
Cops & Former Secret Service Agents Ran Black Ops on Green Groups
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