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Election 2008

It's Time for a Radically Different View of Patriotism

By Ira Chernus, AlterNet. Posted June 20, 2008.


Republicans do not own the rights to this word. Obama has an opportunity to change how we think about patriotism. Will he take it?
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"If the 2008 election is to be a debate about the true meaning of patriotism, then bring it on." That's the clarion challenge from bellwether liberal columnist E.J. Dionne: "Obama cannot simply cede the terrain of patriotism to McCain." Right on, E.J. "And progressives should not assume that patriotism is somehow a bad thing." Right again.

But whose patriotism should Barack Obama proclaim? Dionne's suggestion is (Are you sitting down?) … Theodore Roosevelt. Well, that's just "bully." But hey, I thought John McCain owns the rights to TR symbolism in this year's campaign. He got there first, with his "Man in the Arena" video, featuring Teddy on the campaign trail and then cutting to McCain waving to the crowds -- a TR for our time.

Of course everyone can make their own TR, just as everyone can make their own brand of patriotism. Let's take a look at this year's models, liberal and conservative, and see if we can tell the difference.

The McCain-TR pairing seems like a natural. Both made their reputations as war heroes, risking death in service to their country. Roosevelt went on to show his patriotism by presiding over a brutal occupation in the Philippines and sending the Great White Fleet around the world to let everyone know that the United States did "carry a big stick." When the Great War broke out, he scorned President Woodrow Wilson for being too weak to use U.S. force against Germany.

In the McCain video, Germany also figures large. TR's brief appearance is sandwiched between sound bites of Winston Churchill rallying his people to stand tough against the Nazis: "We shall never surrender. Never give in." Then cut to McCain, rallying his people: "We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will." Who are "They"? McCain doesn't tell us.

But it doesn't really matter. McCain projects that his TR-style patriotism is not about advancing specific national interests against specific enemies. It's about an abstract emotion: the pride of being so rough and tough, with such a big stick and such resolute will, that we will never surrender to anyone. He would have you believe it's about a clear-cut choice between the rugged Westerner who has proven his toughness in war and the inexperienced Harvard grad whose strength of will has never been tested.

E.J. Dionne wants that Harvard grad to keep on pushing his own version of patriotism, quoting rather different sound bites from Teddy Roosevelt. Real patriots reject "gross materialism," TR said. If "the big business man" wants to be patriotic, he can't just pile up profits. He must benefit "the public which he serves" -- something that tax-cuts-for-the-rich Republicans seem to have forgotten, as Obama often reminds us.

But McCain has not forgotten. In his video, TR's words are not about war but about service to country here at home. He pledges to the American people that he will put all his strength "at your disposal." ''Surely there never was a fight better worth making than the one which we are in,'' Teddy proclaims, in a clip filmed during his 1912 campaign for president, the same campaign that produced the famous line: ''We stand at Armageddon, and we battle for the Lord.'' The sacred battle he fought that year was not against foreign enemies. It was against corporate selfishness, and for progressive domestic policies.

Selfless service, not macho belligerence, is the central theme of McCain's patriotism. "I owe America more than she has ever owed me," he says plaintively, as the video shows the young naval officer in North Vietnamese chains.

Well, it turns out that selfless service is the central theme of liberal patriotism, too. "True patriots believe that freedom from responsibility is selfishness; freedom from sacrifice is cowardice," E. J. Dionne quotes from a liberal manifesto he's touting, The True Patriot.

He might have done better quoting Todd Gitlin, who makes the point more sophisticatedly in The Intellectuals and the Flag. The Left has abandoned patriotism, Gitlin laments, not only because love of country has been so abused in our age of American empire, but because in principle it conflicts with individual freedom. "Patriotism decrees that we are not free. We are obliged" -- obliged to subscribe to our nation's ideals, to take responsibility for making sure all our fellow citizens benefit from those ideals, to pursue that goal by engaging with all Americans, whether we like them or not, in the political arena, where pragmatic compromise is a patriotic necessity.


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Ira Chernus is a professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder and author of Monsters to Destroy: The Neoconservative War on Terror and Sin.

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Patriotism Is, At Best, An Early 20th Century Virtue
Posted by: pdxstudent on Jun 20, 2008 1:28 AM   
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"First, [liberals and conservatives alike] treat "America" as a fixed entity with a fixed set of ideals..."

The thing is, it's not a fixed entity. America and practically every other nation-state in the world is to some degree beholden to the rest of the world, and that is only going to increase in the 21st Century. The nation-state is not an eternal political form, but one sustained by very definite economic and otherwise material conditions. Trans-national organizations and globalized trade have already for the last 50-years fundamentally re-organized the way nation-states conduct themselves internally and internationally. A cursory look at American cultural and intellectual history of the last 50 years or more also shows its "ideals" aren't fixed either. The only thing that remains fixed is our dependence on economic structures that determine the shape, flavor and possibilities of our world.

Patriotism is however you paint it a kind of nationalism that is incompatible with the reality of globalization and ultimately progress toward a more free world. The people of the world cannot work together when they are beholden to an out-dated ideological division like the nation-state.

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Patriotism
Posted by: TDyl on Jun 20, 2008 3:46 AM   
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What really scares me, as a European, is watching some of the American sports that are shown on our channels late-night.

I have seen the preamble to the Stanley Cup final with flag-waving idiots crying and "praying". I have seen the "patriotic" first pitch (Bush is such a woman when it comes to pitching) at the first game of the baseball season (I loved the booing this year tho').

It strikes me that, as a nation of immigrants and dispossessed, that "you" have become so intolerant and drawn to the ideal of a flag and not a constitution of which you can justifiably be proud.

"You" threaten other countries with invasion, bombing or sanctions; "you" commit atrocities in the name of freedom and torture what may well prove to be an innocent group of captives for the sake of "our" security - NEVER IN MY NAME YOU BASTARDS (sorry) - "you" use munitions that kill and maim thousands years after they have been dispersed, your government uses private armies that in Iraq want U.S. sponsored immunity, yet in Stateside cases want Sharia law to apply.

We now live in such a fucked-up world that I have really lost any sense I had about who my friends and allies were and I now fear our once greatest ally as a worst terrorist than I do Islamic fundamentalists.

I am so glad that I will die (of natural causes) in the next twenty of so years and that I will not be around to see the start of the 22nd Century and the corporate/governmental mess that will become (think Robocop). The world in which I grew up has become revolting and distended; it now shows itself as one of societies that were vilified in the old sci-fi planet-exploring literature.

Sorry for the rant. I needed to get some things of my chest.

Chris
Bristol, UK

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» RE: You Said A Mouthful Posted by: desidid
» RE: You Said A Mouthful Posted by: nochicagoboys
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» RE: Patriotism Posted by: Dboy
Patriots & Country
Posted by: enen on Jun 20, 2008 4:11 AM   
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Frederick Douglass : "A patriot is someone who loves his country but rebukes and does not forgive its sins'."

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» RE: Patriots & Country Posted by: TDyl
» RE: Patriots & Country Posted by: desidid
Oh, and furthermore, Chris.....
Posted by: halweiner on Jun 20, 2008 4:23 AM   
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You watch our sports and are horrified? Ever watch a multinational football ( soccer here ) match, where a few people DIE in the ensuing riot? You want to see nuclear war? Just go to a Manchester United match and cheer for the wrong opponent some time soon.

Who is this " you " in quotes? I never supported the war in Iraq. I marched, I yelled, I screamed. It is not my fault that no one was listening.
It is about to be corrected. Unless they steal this election too.

Perhaps you missed the Impeachment Articles, 35 of them, introduced into the House of Representatives this past week or so ago by our Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich. Do check it out. We are not asleep here as to the dangers any superpower poses in the world. We really are not as bad, or as bad off, as you portray us. Perhaps you should watch our late night comedy or Jay Leno reruns instead of ESPN.

As for me, I confine myself to Faulty Towers and The Tudors,( the latter making Sex and the City look like Mary Poppins) for my view of once " Great " Britain. We really don't need lectures from losers.

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The Flag Pin brouhaha
Posted by: xvictor on Jun 20, 2008 6:18 AM   
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He started wearing it recently. Boy, did he knuckle under easily for that one! Anyway, some of those 'patriot' folks must endure very empty lives for noting the lack of a flag pin on someone. Don't they have better things to worry about?

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» RE: The Flag Pin brouhaha Posted by: VZEQICVA
Patriotism is state sponsored Religion
Posted by: warble on Jun 20, 2008 7:09 AM   
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Face it! Ra Ra Ra...God Bless America...and all that other stuff is just mindless adoration for a belief system that has nothing to do with reality. Get over it and start thinking.

This land is not your land
You are not free...slave that you are...
and America doesn't give a crap about you...that's why you pay taxes.

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It's not about flag pins and meaningless quotations
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 20, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Right this minute Americans (volunteers) are working along the Mississippi River filling sandbags and whatever else they can do to help people they don't even know. That's what we used to be about. It's time to go back to some of our old ways. Stop quoting dead people and cherry picking history. It's time for doing. No president can repair this country alone. Patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels, not to mention the just plain selfis & lazy. ANNA

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» UH< pardon me? Posted by: jrmart
God bless?
Posted by: sirios on Jun 20, 2008 8:55 AM   
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patriotism in it's present form is a vice not a virtue. Identification with ones physical and geographical position on the planet, when used as part of ones identity will at some point need to be defended verbally or worse and inherently contains exclusivity and division. My all time favorite example of this comes from a film starring Chris Rock in which his political opponent in the story says after every speech, "GOD BLESS AMERICA, AND NO WHERE ELSE!"

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I love my town...
Posted by: smendler on Jun 20, 2008 9:50 AM   
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I love my town. It's played an important role in history, and has many attractive features. That's not to say it's perfect, it's not - there are some problems, to be sure. But it's mine, and I love it anyway. My love for my town doesn't come at the expense of any other towns in my state - I don't have to put them down to take pride in where I live.

I love my state. It's played an important role in history, and has many attractive features. That's not to say it's perfect, it's not - there are some problems, to be sure. But it's mine, and I love it anyway. My love for my state doesn't come at the expense of any other states in my country - I don't have to put them down to take pride in where I live.

I love my country. It's played an important role in history, and has many attractive features. That's not to say it's perfect, it's not - there are some problems, to be sure. But it's mine, and I love it anyway. My love for my country doesn't come at the expense of any other countries in the world - I don't have to put them down to take pride in where I live.

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» RE: I love my town... Posted by: smendler
otto
Posted by: otto on Jun 20, 2008 10:26 AM   
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Reminds me of an incident while teaching high school back in the 50's: a Texan fellow teacher invited me to Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He had been educated in Canada with me, and when his overpowering dad began to question him on his patriotism and loyalty to Texas, he had the guts to answer: "Pop, I'm a citizen of the world!" His dad didn't like it, but it was a great answer!

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Re-define patriotism
Posted by: rerses on Jun 20, 2008 11:05 AM   
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It is time to re-define the word patriotism. It's not something that is on the bumper of your suv nor is it a fist to shake in the face of the world. The true patriot loves his or her country and tries to create a better world for all people. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a true patriot because he not only loved America; he forced this country to live up to some of its lofty ideals. One does not have to carry a rifle or serve in the military to be a patriot. We could say that Martin Luther King,Jr. died for not only his country but he also died for humanity,he died trying to make this a more just and fair world.

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» Who Needs It? Posted by: pdxstudent
» my country, right or wrong. Posted by: jrmart
An "Ism" We Can Live Without
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jun 20, 2008 11:12 AM   
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It's quite troubling to hear people say patriotism is something noble, a devotion, duty to one's mother or fatherland, but we've carried it to extremes and it seems to become a leader one must "be" a "patriot" to be "patriotic."
In this and other presidential campaigns, a candidate's "patriotism" is put into question. And in times of America's history we've put a fanatical zealot in charge of running the U.S.A. just because he claims to be loyal to his land. And from Theodore Roosevelt to George W. Bush, these "patriotic" men have gotten us into wars, with the exception of FDR. Patriotism ought not to be a rationale to lead us into war. Just because they're flag worshippers doesn't mean we ALL have to be and wear a flag lapel on our coats. That smirks of blind allegience to a process in which some fully don't understand its societal implications.
There's nothing wrong of showing your love for a place, but we should love the world we inhabit, sans borders. I love Australia just as much as Finland, the Philippines, Canada without having to be "patriotic" about it. And in today's times, patriotism is synonymous with the "with us or against us" mentality.
A better way must be found to leave patriotism out of politics and no one should syllogistically use patriotism to hide their glaring deficiencies. Don't be fooled by it.

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OH, YEAH??
Posted by: jrmart on Jun 20, 2008 2:23 PM   
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Are you speaking of Barak HUSSEIN OBama? the man who has a Baby Momma? The secret Muslim that wants to destroy all white Christion America? Oh, wait, thats Fox News view, not mine. Sorry.

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» RE: OH, YEAH?? Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Come on, Carbon. Posted by: Longdream
McCain does own it - by default!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 20, 2008 6:20 PM   
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The problem with the term patriotism is that groups like the ACLU are fighting to erase it -abolish it, and our culture entirely.

Expressions of Patriotism is a right in a country and part of all nations culture..all countries do it. People have a right to express how proud they are of their country - regardelss if they agree with all their policies.

Proclaiming that they have never been proud of their country and then be part of a Presidential campaign would have never been bought by Americans 30 years ago! The left has come to accept anyone who puts down this nation.

They have readily abandoned the call for patriotism by insulting anyone who displays it and actually putting a negative spin on anyone who claims to be a patriot!

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» RE: McCain does own it - by default! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: McCain does own it - by default! Posted by: carbon-based
"Patriotism" in the Boy Scouts
Posted by: WaldoMaui on Jun 20, 2008 7:04 PM   
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I have a distinct memory from spending several years in the Boy Scouts back in the 60's -- "God and Country." The two things always seemed to be mentioned together. "God and Country"--joined at the hip--as if going against our country's policies was going against God.

Let's call it what it is: Indoctrination, not Patriotism.

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» RE: "Patriotism" in the Boy Scouts Posted by: carbon-based
Patroitism is about Love not Pride
Posted by: foreverhope on Jun 20, 2008 8:22 PM   
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I love my children unconditionally. I love my country unconditionally. I would die to defend our democracy, I have no doubt about it. I would just as gladly die for my children if called upon.

Democracy and raising children take constant vigilance and patience. Sometimes we have to do or say things that others don't want to hear, but we have to say it anyway because it is their best interests. It doesn't mean we don't love them, on the contrary it PROVES we DO.

I would be lying if I said I have always been proud of the choices my children have made. There are many times they have made mistakes that have had serious consequences for themselves and to me. Telling them they made mistakes does not mean I don't love them, nor does feeling shame in their mistakes. Used properly, with due diligence, shame is a very useful human emotion and can be motivating. It is my RESPONSIBILITY, and DUTY to show them the errors of their ways so they can change direction AND in their long term best interests. I'd be a lousy parent if I didn't.

There are times I have been ashamed of my children, that does not mean I am a poor mother, doesn't mean I stop loving them.

There are times I have been ashamed of my country, but it doesn't mean I don't love my country, no way. Tell me what country DOESN'T OWN SHAME? There have certainly been good reasons to feel shame, especially during our current administration but certainly other times in our history too. Only a fool would say otherwise.

Things to be proud of, things to feel shame for, just like any other country in the history of the world.

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Patriotism....for the individual NOT the State
Posted by: ChrisBieber on Jun 20, 2008 10:32 PM   
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the rampant collectivism of America today in all aspects of culture, law and politics and the proposed solutions is exposed rather indirectly by this article.

The root of our country was SELF government FIRST...individual responsibility with individual accountability.

the past 150 years or so has seen the legal and political socialization of our culture, language and government to where the language(words such as "patriotism") are MadHatter-like interpreted, used and defined in a purely subjective and topical way-usually to justify yet another governmental proposal to justify or "fix" something...usually caused by the State itself.

Remember the quote by statist TRoosevelt on patriotism regarding patriotism is NOT blindly supporting the government...cant remember it off my head exactly...

Flags, banners, songs, lapel pins and marching with billion dollar bombers flying overhead is NOT patriotism. Neither is saying nothing when that occurs.

Soon the American people will "patriotically" march into the Skinner Box voting booth and hit the bell for a bigger slice of cheese.

And all of our freedomes will lessen that much more.

Patriotism is the FIRST refuge of those either conditioned lazy citizens or megalomaniac Ceasars on the white horse to save the country from threats from afar....

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A real patriot..........
Posted by: tap17x on Jun 22, 2008 2:03 PM   
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........has rigorous standards for the behavior and morality of his country. That's why I regard Bush as a traitor worse than Klaus Fuchs or the rest of the spies. Bush is way too far gone in pathological narcissism to have any feel for his country. To any Refucklicans who question my patriotism, I answer, "I care enough about the US to hold it to high standards. I guess you don't!"

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» RE: A real patriot.......... Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
Nothing good ever came out of patriotism.
Posted by: Longdream on Jun 22, 2008 6:39 PM   
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From Humanism, absolutely.

From enough concern for the oppressed in the world to fight for them--sure.

But from patriotism? Never.

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Has Anyone Considered How Momentous This Moment In History
Posted by: desidid on Jun 23, 2008 5:35 AM   
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is? We are a nation born in slavery that may well be led by the son of an African man and White woman. This is ironic in view of our shared history. And it is the most patriotic thing I can think of America ever doing. Because if you look within the Obama family you have nearly every racial or ethnic group represented. How far we have come, Michelle is rightly proud of what her husband's candidacy really
means.

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CAUTION WHEN VOTING FOR CHANGE
Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Jun 23, 2008 4:36 PM   
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Although President Bush is now being credited with our current circumstances, it might be good to note that he has been in office for seven plus years; it is only now that all our economic woes have surfaced... do you think possibly there might be something else involved?

Remember the election in 2006?
America voted for CHANGE.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2 ) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.00 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Here is a Civics lesson for you, it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Congress has done poor work. That is why the Democratic Congress has a aproval rating of only 18.5%!
Time for a change BACK to a Republican Congress!
After seeing what change to Democrats did to the Congress why would America vote Obama for a Change?
We have seen a preminition of an Obama presidentcy in the 2006 election.

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» RE: Nice try. Posted by: Longdream
» No try you Democratic Lemming Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
» RE: No try you Democratic Lemming Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
» Part 2 Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
Politics a child can understand:
Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Jun 23, 2008 4:39 PM   
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I remember the time that Kathryn, one of my daughter's little friends, told me that she wanted to be President one day. Both of her parents are liberal Democrats and were standing there with us - and I asked Kathryn, "If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?"

Kathryn replied, "I would give houses to all the homeless people."

"Wow, what a worthy goal you have there, Kathryn." I told her, "You don't have to wait until you are President to do that... you can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the back yard and I will pay you $5.00. Then we can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $5.00 to use for a new house."
Kathryn, who was about 4, thought that over for a second while her mom looked at me, and then she replied, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop and you can pay him the $5.00?"

Welcome to the Republican Party, Kathryn.

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