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Election 2008

What Game Is Hillary Playing?

By Guy T. Saperstein, AlterNet. Posted May 24, 2008.


Nothing reveals the Clintons' lack of principle so clearly as their assertion that Dem Party rules should be abandoned.
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Nothing reveals more clearly how utterly unprincipled the Clintons are than their assertion that rules set by the Democratic Party's Rules Committee, and endorsed by all Clinton representatives on this Committee, now should be abandoned. Nothing reveals more clearly that the only rules the Clintons follow are rules which favor them. Nothing reveals how exaggerated their claims are than Hillary's recent comparison of the votes in Michigan and Florida to the civil rights movement, the suffragette movement, the fraudulent election in Zimbabwe and the 2000 election in Florida.

The outlines of this story are simple and straight-forward: Two states, Michigan and Florida, sought to advance their Democratic primary elections ahead of other states in order to increase their influence in the primary process. If they had been allowed to do so, Democratic parties in other states could have done the same, it would have become a frantic, disorganized race to be the first, or among the first, state primaries, and the primary season could have been extended substantially. The Democratic Rules Committee reviewed this, understood that chaos would ensue if every state party could advance their presidential primaries unilaterally, and ruled that if Michigan and Florida advanced their primaries, the votes would not count in the delegate race.

Hillary Clinton had 15 representatives on the 30-member Rules Committee and every single one of Clinton's representatives supported this Rules Committee decision, which passed unanimously; Democratic parties in 48 states followed the rule, but Michigan and Florida chose not to. Subsequently, no Democratic candidate campaigned in either state and no Democratic candidate, except Hillary Clinton [who fudged the rules] was even on the ballot in Michigan. The Clinton campaign now contends that these wholly undemocratic elections -- even the Stalinist one-candidate election in Michigan -- must count or democracy itself will be imperiled.

Harold Ickes, one of Hillary's representatives on the Rules Committee who voted for the rule barring counting the Michigan and Florida votes, and Hillary's chief negotiator of this issue, was asked recently on one of the Sunday morning political talk shows, "You voted for the Rules Committee decision, but now you are complaining about it. What has changed?" Ickes replied, "What has changed is that now we are behind." So, there it is -- there is not an ounce of principle in the Clinton position. When they thought they were ahead in the presidential race, they supported the rule, but now that they are behind, they don't like it. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the rest of us could act like the Clintons and support rules when they favor us and ignore them when they don't?

Two days ago, Hillary hyperventilated on this topic, comparing enforcement of party rules -- rules she earlier had agreed to -- to the civil rights and suffragette movements, Zimbabwe and Florida 2000, as though enforcing a reasonable party rule was comparable to 300 years of slavery, the disenfranchisement of racial minorities and women from voting for hundreds of years, the unprecedented action of a conservative Supreme Court and the tyrannical actions of an African dictator. The Clintons are desperate; they need boundaries.

Ignoring all rules established for the Democratic primaries, which all Democratic candidates, except Hillary Clinton, followed, the Clintons now also contend that the elaborate system of caucuses and primary votes which have been used for this and prior presidential elections should be ignored in favor of reliance only on popular vote counts. In other words, 48 states have been actively engaged in following established rules, but now, at the end of the process, the Clintons propose to jettison the rules and substitute their own new interpretation. Not only is the threshold proposal absurd on its face, the Clintons don't even count the popular vote fairly: They include votes in the Michigan primary, where Hillary was the only candidate on the Democratic ballot and Obama got zero votes, and exclude hundreds of thousands of caucus votes in the caucus states. If all votes are counted, Obama wins by every metric, including popular vote, and he currently is 180+ votes ahead in the delegate count.


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Guy T. Saperstein is a past president of the Sierra Club Foundation; previously, he was one of the National Law Journal’s "100 Most Influential Lawyers in America."

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This one's for Bobby, may he rest in peace
Posted by: foreverhope on May 24, 2008 1:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Clintons' are co-narcissists. IT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION. How much longer will the democratic party allow this to continue? I suspect not much longer after today.

The narcissistic personality has several core problems, all involving dysregulation of one sort or another. First, they are subject to wide mood swings, the reason being that their mood regulation is not internalized but is dependent upon external circumstances. Circumstances good, mood good. But if circumstances turn bad, than their mood will become poopy very quickly, as is true of a 17 month old. In that case, it is entirely developmentally appropriate. However, it’s a little frightening imagining that 17 year old carrying around the nuclear football when he/she hasn't gotten their way.

The adult narcissist has a specific difficulty auto-regulating shame, the “keystone” affect of their disorder. It is unconscious and therefore unrecognized, or only dimly so. Narcissists are quite brittle, the reason being that they attempt to bypass their shame by erecting a facade of grandiosity. But when the grandiosity is poked or prodded, the narcissist will bristle. He might well accuse you of having a “little smirk” on your face or being part of a right-wing conspiracy after making some innocent comment that threatens their grandiosity.

Narcissism is not a monolithic condition, but is actually situated along a spectrum from mild to severe. However, the most severe narcissists can often appear to be the most outwardly accomplished. One of the reasons for this is that the more severe the narcissism, the more driven they are to accomplish something in accordance with their grandiosity.

There are two main classes of narcissism, an egotistical, Clintonian type, and a dissociative type. See if this does not ring a bell: the egotistical (also described as the “oblivious”) type is self-absorbed, arrogant, unabashedly self-aggrandizing, attention demanding, and seemingly shameless.

But underneath the smooth and competent facade, these individuals show a preponderance of shame over guilt, the latter of which is much more healthy.

For a narcissist, guilt instantly descends into shame, which cannot be tolerated. The EJECT SHAME NOW button has been pushed--therefore, the finger in the face and the shrill accusations of unfairness and/or right wing conspiracies.

I read is that psychopaths often show speech anomalies. Mixing up metaphors, inabiltiy to discuss matters of emotion (awkwardness and mistakes--they have no experience of emotion--except anger and self-pity--and no empathy, so when trying to mimic these human emotions, they stumble.

I also believe that narcissist personalities attract and support others like them. It is possible to be highly "functional" in our society with NPD, and often these individuals are admired as huge successes. But their personal agenda is all about exploitation--they thrive on it and need it as much as a vampire needs blood. They must feel they get the best of every situation and their grasping greed knows no bounds. This is not your ordinary kind of ambition. It is a sick need.
This disorder is very resistant to change, since of course, nothing feels wrong. The narcissist subject strives to protect their elevated sense of themselves at all costs. For those in their orbits or suffering from them it is not healthy or productive to pander to them in any way.

The more you give or compromise, the more they will take. When crossed they are ruthless and swift in retaliation. They ONLY understand 'hardball' tactics. You can waste a lot of time treating them as though they have 'normal' emotions.

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» additionally... Posted by: foreverhope
» yup, that's her! Posted by: Moira61
» RE: How come nobody noticed? Posted by: Longdream
» Go ahead! Posted by: foreverhope
» thanks but do I need credentials? Posted by: foreverhope
» NPD and politicians Posted by: foreverhope
» Of course! Posted by: foreverhope
» Furthermore..... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Furthermore..... Posted by: funnyguy
Read the rules
Posted by: joze46 on May 24, 2008 1:31 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
After reading the rules the committee can throw out even the totals in the primary and just pick by delegates.

As for me, there are no rules especially when a Republican can walk in raise their hand and declare to be an independant even after voting in their own party which happened in IOWA.

As Oregon anyone walk up and just declare to be a Democrat just to vote in the primary,get a ballot and vote but vote different in the general. When I found out that band stand Obama was on was there for a rock band it hit me why 75,000 people were there, then some said Kerry did that same thing in 2004 and 50,000 people came. All a bunch of baloney.

The only rules are any which way you can...This whole primary taught me a lesson these college people are a bunch of ego idiots thats why America is screwed up. 99% of government jobs are held by college graduates and you wonder why America is screwed up.

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» Operation Chaos Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters
» RE: Operation Chaos Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Operation Chaos Posted by: Longdream
» THE ROCK BAND AT THE RALLY Posted by: bbfmail
» PORTLAND! Posted by: foreverhope
» While back at the Electoral College Ranch Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters
» RE: PORTLAND! Have a look Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: PORTLAND! Posted by: Chloe2005
» RE: ead the rules Posted by: mnascimento
» RE: GREEN Stands For Go! Posted by: Smiggsy
I was never a Hillary hater - until recently
Posted by: UnEasyOne on May 24, 2008 1:42 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Her strategy clearly is to deny the presidency to Obama so she can run against president McCain in 2012.

Some "feminist!" She claims her husband's resume as her own - then claims to be the "experienced" candidate even touting McCain's experience over that of Obama's!

Some Democrat.

She has played the race card with an intensity not seen since George Wallace or Nixon. She has feigned hurt feelings, then scolded her opponent like a schoolmarm. I have never seen anyone so eager to have it both ways - and the Florida and Michigan delegations are the perfect example. Her math is one big lie - and she has become a consummate liar.

I have always rejected the notion that the Clintons were the embodiment of evil. I considered Bill to be the best Republican president since TR. But Hillary has made me rethink that.

She has courted not only every corporate crook willing to donate a buck but even Murdoch (who threw her a fundraiser) and RM Skaith - eternal enemy of the left. She now has kind words for both.

She has shown herself to have the ethical standards of the Bush administration she seeks to succeed. I am sooo glad I won't have to cast a ballot for her.

She is toast - and has forever tarnished herself in the eyes of every real Democrat.

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Boundaries of acceptable behaviour
Posted by: kiwijohn on May 24, 2008 3:25 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
For some time now, many of us have felt uncomfortable about Clinton's behavior, but mostly appropriate PC forces have suppressed much individual as well as collective expression of anger and disappointment. Even now, I for one am almost inclined to simply walk away from the thought processes that Clinton catalyzes. I have difficulty identifying the direct causal relationships, but somehow she evokes a fundamentally unsavory state-of-being.

Can we be sure that we are correct in our emerging impression of this unfortunate person? This article presents the beginnings of a reasonably disturbing psychological profile of one of the leaders of US society. Many people seem to have developed a deep rooted mistrust of Clinton's intent in this world. But with yesterday's comments on Bobby we are dealing with something more sinister.

Maybe it's just me, but yesterday I saw something much, much more dangerous than inconsiderate bad manners towards the Kennedys. If it was what I think it was, it was quintessentially dark and evil. Carried out by a less practiced master of demagogy such utterances would be construed as ... I cannot bring myself to finish this sentence.

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» CHUTZPAH Posted by: giles
It Should Be A Warning To Us All...
Posted by: Nez46 on May 24, 2008 4:39 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
that Hil would compromise principles, ethics, morality and good sense in order to achieve her ends. This is all too hauntingly reminiscent of the rightwingnut-dingbat currently commandeering our White House and I for one have had enough of scandalous pieces of fecal fragment making bad decisions that affect me, my country and the world in general...

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She has to go!
Posted by: Knowmad on May 24, 2008 4:47 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Do you Americans realise that if you didn't have the disgusting, corrupt chushrovian cabal, Billary would probably be the worst aspect of your political sphere. There's even a few on the other side that might be better; Hagel maybe?

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» RE: She has to go! Posted by: westomoon
Shyler
Posted by: Shyler on May 24, 2008 4:51 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We need to ask, "Who is the audience for this kind of nonsense?"...[2] Voters

Unless Billary can play the Manchurian Candidate angle and have Obama assassinated a la RFK, she is going to drop her Democratic Party allegiance after the DNC convention. That’s why she’s ripping the party to shreds, to form one made up of 100% of her supporters. She’s hoping that racial bigotry, reverse sexism and Bush burnout will siphon enough votes from the two party system to put her in place.

She will use her self-righteous rhetoric about disenfranchised voters, along with her blatant racist and sexist appeals to white women, to cry foul to the DNC and lead a voter revolt. Most of these Dem voters don’t care about her policies, etc. they just want to see a white woman in the White House. Neither she nor they have been shy about vocalizing it either. She will instruct voters on how to vote a “split ticket”; selecting her for POTUS but Dem or GOP for congressional and local reps. She’ll attempt to lure elected super delegates into her party as well though I doubt few will take her up on the offer. Her deluded advisors/supporters will argue that those GOP and independents who crossed party lines were real supporters, not moles part of the GOP run Operation Chaos trying to undermine the Dem primary process. Either way, as she has stated, she will not concede defeat even if Obama gets the Dem nomination. This nightmare will not end until he’s dead or the general election, whichever comes first.

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» McCain will say:NO! Posted by: giles
» Liebermann on steroids Posted by: westomoon
» RE: Liebermann on steroids Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Shyler Posted by: Schroeder
» RE: Shyler Posted by: Shyler
Mr. Saperstein is right
Posted by: sheena2u on May 24, 2008 4:55 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He articulates my sentiments exactly. I am so angered, infuriated, and sickened by the Clinton's recent bad behavior. I am so ashamed of them! I worked very hard to get Bill Clinton elected the first time. I met his mother Virginia Kelley before her passing. I stood by them during the Lewinsky scandal and defended him through the impeachment hearings. I have long admired and loved Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Toward the beginning of this race I gave Hillary a chance. I believed the rumors about Obama's inexperience and Hillary's experience. It did not, however, take me too long to see the light. Obama soon erased my every doubt, and Hillary soon shocked me with her bad behavior.

Again and again I have fully believed Hillary, as a reasonable and intelligent woman, would bow out of the race and give credit where credit is due, and stop her divisive actions. However, I had an early clue. She stated that after all Bill had campaigned through June before winning, and the implication was that she deserved at least as much time.

This is no ordinary year, no ordinary time, and the world and our country are in no ordinary state. Eight years of the Bush regime has caused deep cracks in our democracy, our Constitution, our international reputation, our national security, our treasury, and our economy. The dollar has fallen in value. After 9/11 Bush told us to "go shopping," but who wants to shop and drive now? The real estate bubble burst, gas is over $4 a gallon, foreclosures are at record highs, and groceries are becoming very expensive. The list of the Bush administration's destruction is seemingly endless.

The Republicans, as a whole, have failed Americans. They have proven themselves incompetent to rule alone.

Hillary doesn't get it. She is out of pace, out of step, and out of time. Between Hillary and Bill they ought to care more about America, and they ought to know better than to put their wants before the best interests of America. Obama, however, does get it.

It seems to have come to the point where Hillary chooses to do harm simply because she can. This a grave disappointment. This is not all about what is best for Hillary, or how soon a woman can be the first president, or whether there is still misogyny in the world. This is not about Hillary and Bill's sense of entitlement. It is about what is best for America now, in 2008. Most would argue that Obama is best, and that he has long since won by any reasonable measurement.

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» RE: And you echo my reaction Posted by: Urstrly
» The Great Republican Failure Posted by: intransigenced
Shyler
Posted by: Shyler on May 24, 2008 5:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
She also realizes she has burned way too many bridges in the Dem party to have any power if she returns to the Senate; she will be a pariah. Someone will challenge her seat in four years. If she doesn't mount a successful POTUS campaign now or in 2012 she's politically finished. NYC alone will bury her alive. Perhaps she and Geraldine Ferraro can form a new Joy Luck Club.

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» RE: Shyler Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Shyler Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: Shyler Posted by: Quannah
rn
Posted by: mnatra on May 24, 2008 5:05 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Like her husband Bill ,Hillary has taken over the right wing style of campaign. Whatever she believes in or not does not matter.Bill won the White House by being more republican that the republicans. Hillary is trying the same thing.
If this is just a technique to get in as president , this time it wont work, It will take a kind of raw sincerity like Obama's to defeat the
madmen currently in power.

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Time to stop enabling her
Posted by: crossword on May 24, 2008 5:03 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am a lifelong Democrat. I think she has gone too far recently with the rhetoric about Obama. Evoking imagery of RFK's assassination is not only trashy but raises fears about her mental stability. Not only that but by prolonging the division of the party, she is just playing into Republican Rove-type strategies to "divide and conquer." I'm sure McCain's group is laughing their heads off.

When the campaigning started, I thought it a long shot for Obama but that I could vote for any Democratic candidate [her] who got the nomination. But now I think the campaign has turned from political competition to craziness. I think she is creating Nader voters and a McCain presidency!

I left the south 40 years ago because of the racial problems: I just never wanted to raise children in that place. I certainly never thought I would find such hatred again in the Democratic Party and foisted upon me by Bill Clinton's wife at that! Everyone must stop enabling her hysterical behavior. The uncommitted delegates must commit themselves and put her out of her misery. Then she needs to see a doc and get some meds and then take a nice long vacation to someplace they don't have CNN.

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» Why does everyone hate her so much? Posted by: HomerScarborough
» Thank you foreverhope! Posted by: Prairie Waif
» you are welcome dear Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: you are welcome dear Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: appleton14 Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Give Me a Break Posted by: Sissy
» cap and trade, you Libs like that Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters
» Go on now! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: off main topic, BUT... Posted by: carcinoid112
» RE: off main topic, BUT... Posted by: Longdream
» RE: off main topic, BUT... Posted by: Shyler
» Too pessimistic Posted by: westomoon
The Turkey is Done
Posted by: Southern Gal on May 24, 2008 6:32 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think that the turkey is done. There are few people left who believe that Hillary will get this nomination. There is also no problem with her finishing the primaries, which insures that the remainder of voters in state primaries will get to vote. The Florida and Michigan voters may well feel alienated with solutions offered and we can only speculate as to how that will play out in the general election. Continuing to ridicule Hillary will further alienate the voters who support her. Let the process finish and the voters select their candidate. Obama has the delegates and he will win the nomination.

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Where is the media??
Posted by: Maxwellst on May 24, 2008 6:38 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How is it possible that almost no media organ has put forth commentary like this one? It is almost as if everyone is completely cynical and believes that the whole presidential race is only about power.

There are two kinds of politicians: Those who appeal to reason and our higher nature, and those who rally support through fear and anger. The media flocks to these politicians like crowds to a sporting event.

The real question is: Where is the ref? If Howard Dean has let this go on so long without stepping in to defend the rules, he can't be a very good one. I don't know in which game moving goalposts is a legitimate way to win, but the DNC appears to condone the sport.

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» RE: Where is the media?? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Where is the media?? Posted by: Longdream
Telling It Exactly As It Is!!!!!
Posted by: Big Kahuna on May 24, 2008 7:05 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
OUTSTANDING OBSERVATION! The post concerning the narcisissit traits exhibited by both of the Clintons is exceptional! The article that prompted this response have brought clarity out of the confusion that is being promoted by the Hill machine. Personally in my own life I have had experience dealing with the narcissist personality disorder. It is a daunting task! They are sick people who, unfortunatly represent a huge portion of the 'power elite' ruling/running the planet. No wonder there is so much chaos thru out the world. Sadly. Without mercy, without love, driven by an emotional set of robotic responses' that force them to always prevail(win) in every circumstance. The reality is that their 'nuts'.
They need help both emotionally and Spiritually.

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Shes trying to get Obama murdered!
Posted by: The Big Raven on May 24, 2008 8:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Its like winding the flames of fire , she knows that there is enough sick men out there to encourage the hit. Or could she be just wishfull thinking?
All I know is this biatch will stop at nothing and is powermad.

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Bush 43 in a pants suit
Posted by: HughScott on May 24, 2008 8:13 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
After Hillary's shameful explanation on Friday for her insensitive RFK assassination remark, I am convinced without doubt that she is George W's soul mate -- i.e. a power-hungry narcissist who cannot admit to making a mistake.

During the past eight years, Bush has confessed to a personal failing just once. It happened on January 14, 2005, when he told reporters at a round-table interview in the White House that tough talk can have “unintended consequences.”

Dub-ya’s misgivings were about two of his most famous inflammatory expressions: “Bring ‘em on,” in reference to Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. troops, and his vow to get Osama bin Laden “dead or alive.”

“Sometimes,” Bush told the reporters, “words have consequences you don’t intend them to mean. ‘Bring ‘em on’ is the classic example. I was really trying to rally the troops and make it clear to them that I fully understood what a great job they were doing. Those words had an unintended consequence. Some interpreted it to be defiance in the face of danger. That certainly wasn’t the case.”

Read his explanation again and you will realize it wasn’t an apology. It was an excuse.

In his typical self-serving way, George W. suggested he had been victimized by eagerness to motivate our soldiers. At the same time, while lamely rationalizing his impulsive oratory, he couldn’t resist shading the truth.

Hillary comes from the same cut of egocentric disingenuous cloth. Capitol Hill should be the closest she comes to the White House.

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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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WHAT A HEADACHE
Posted by: alicelillie on May 24, 2008 8:27 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
These candidates are a major headache.

So, if they are that to you, how do you spell relief?

Check out C-SPAN l Saturday at 9:00 P.M. Eastern or 6:00 P.M. Pacific for a debate among Libertarian candidates. Some of these are really great...anti-war, pro-civil liberties and you might find it interesting.

At least you'll find it different!

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Another example of Clinton narcissism: their charities.
Posted by: HughScott on May 24, 2008 8:32 AM   
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For Bill and Hillary, charity begins ar home -- literally.

The Clintons have gotten fawned praise from mainstream media for giving 10 percent of their $109 million income since 2000 to "charity."

At first glance, 10% is a worthy and commendable amount. However, as many things about Hillary and her hubby, you have to look beyond their press releases for the facts, as follows:

The Clintons gave most of their tax-deductible donations to THEMSELVES. Case at point -- Clinton tax returns that show $10,256,741 was donated to "CFF" -- the Clinton Family Foundation.

On the 2005 forms and those from previous years, Bill Clinton was listed as CFF president, Hillary Clinton had the title of secretary/treasurer and daughter Chelsea Clinton was a director.

'The 2006 tax forms also list Gloria Clinton as CFF CEO who was paid $252,500 for her "work" that year.

Of the $10 million-plus the Clintons donated to CFF, the foundation only parceled out $2.5 million to other charities. So what happened the remaining $7.5 million? A good question to ask the IRS.

Here's something else to consider. Although the CFF has been in operation since 2001, Hillary failed to mention it in annual Senate financial disclosure reports on five occasions.

The Ethics in Government Act requires members of Congress to disclose positions they hold with any outside entity, including nonprofit foundations. Hillary Clinton has served her family foundation as treasurer and secretary since it was established in December 2001, but none of her ethics reports since then have disclosed that fact.

The foundation has enabled the Clintons to write off more than $5 million from their taxable personal income since 2001, while dispensing $1.25 million in charitable contributions over that period.

Clinton's spokesman said her failure to report the existence of the family foundation and the senator's position as an officer was an oversight. Her office immediately amended her Senate ethics reports to add that information late yesterday after receiving inquiries from The Washington Post.

Among the institutions receiving grants from the Clinton Family Foundation was a charity connected to the Arkansas businessman who helped Hillary Clinton make $100,000 on a commodities trade that stirred controversy.

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Making the rules up as they go along
Posted by: outlander55 on May 24, 2008 8:39 AM   
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If Hilary Clinton is allowed to change the rules as the campaign progresses, it will be the 2000 election all over again and we will wind up with Bush-like ethics all over again. She is acting so un-Democrat that if she continues, the election process will be tainted for years to come. She needs to stop acting like a spoiled elitist and start getting with the program.

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Give me a break ...
Posted by: johnshadows on May 24, 2008 9:29 AM   
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... the media, especially the 'left' internet media, has been carrying Obama on it's shoulders the entire election. No matter that he's inexperienced, that he sounds naive about economic and foreign policy issues (remember his Pakistan 'commitment'?) - he's about hope, and change, dude, and he's not Hillary. Clinton is set to win the popular vote, and has an overwhelming lead in electoral votes (by state), if you went by that metric.

You would think that Democrats would be a little more sensitive about disenfranchising other Democrats after the lessons of 2000. But Howard Dean is the new Scalia, and no one seems to care when it helps the Golden Boy, and harms the wicked witch of Gotham.

This election has shown me a lot about where my fellow Democrats stand on things - they're obsessed with identity politics, negative (they react to what the other side is doing more than propose solutions of their own), and 'hooked on a feelin' when it comes to Obama. Many of them have joined the mainstream media they so 'despise' in the bash-fest of Senator Clinton. Articles like this have caused me to rethink it all - I'm now an independent, and will make decisions on a case-by-case basis.

Starting with Nader, if Obama gets the nomination.

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» FINALLY A VOICE OF REASON Posted by: jeanmo
The Republic Party set the Florida Democratic Primary date.
Posted by: thebalilama on May 24, 2008 10:02 AM   
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I have just one correction to an otherwise right on piece.
If you know any Democrats in Florida please let them know this.
Florida Democrats did not set the early date for the Democratic primary.
The state legislature in Florida sets the primary dates. Democrats are outnumbered there 2 to 1 and the governor is a member of the Republic Party.
Both parties wanted a paper trail when they voted and the Republicans added the early Democratic primary date to the "paper trail" bill in 2007. The Democrats in the legislature tried to pass an amendment putting their primary in line with the Democratic National Committee's rules. The Republicans voted against the amendment 2 to 1, knowing full well what they were doing [the hand of Rove? hmmmmm]. The governor signed the bill into law with much fanfare about the paper trail and nary a word about the way the Republic Party sabotaged the Democratic voters of the state.
So thank the Republic Party for disenfranchising the Florida Democrats.
Michigan Democrats however, shot themselves in their own feet with no help from anyone.

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» RE: Whatever. Posted by: Longdream
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Hillary may single-handedly destroy the Democratic Party!
Posted by: Voicedude on May 24, 2008 10:22 AM   
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Her refusal to drop out when it's CLEAR to the rest of America that she can't win only serves the GOP and her ego! (the GOP knows this - every time they talk about the Dems it's always with 'support' for her over Obama.) Someone should tell her that refusal to give up when one can't win is NOT a sign of strength! (Sadly, Gore knew this after the rigged 2000 election, although I wish he had stayed and fought for what was his!) It would not surprise me if Hillary tried a few 'October Surprises' of her own, since so much of her method of operation seems torn from the GOP handbook. She's gonna take