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Election 2008

Hillary's Grotesque Insult to African-Americans

By Bob Herbert, The New York Times. Posted May 12, 2008.


It's one thing to lack class, but it's quite another to deliberately try and wreck the presidential prospects of your party's likely nominee.
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The Clintons have never understood how to exit the stage gracefully.

Their repertoire has always been deficient in grace and class. So there was Hillary Clinton cold-bloodedly asserting to USA Today that she was the candidate favored by "hard-working Americans, white Americans," and that her opponent, Barack Obama, the black candidate, just can't cut it with that crowd.

"There's a pattern emerging here," said Mrs. Clinton.

There is, indeed. There was a name for it when the Republicans were using that kind of lousy rhetoric to good effect: it was called the Southern strategy, although it was hardly limited to the South. Now the Clintons, in their desperation to find some way -- any way -- back to the White House, have leapt aboard that sorry train.

He can't win! Don't you understand? He's black! He's black!

The Clintons have been trying to embed that gruesomely destructive message in the brains of white voters and superdelegates for the longest time. It's a grotesque insult to African-Americans, who have given so much support to both Bill and Hillary over the years.

(Representative Charles Rangel of New York, who is black and has been an absolutely unwavering supporter of Senator Clinton's White House quest, told The Daily News: "I can't believe Senator Clinton would say anything that dumb.")

But it's an insult to white voters as well, including white working-class voters. It's true that there are some whites who will not vote for a black candidate under any circumstance. But the United States is in a much better place now than it was when people like Richard Nixon, George Wallace and many others could make political hay by appealing to the very worst in people, using the kind of poisonous rhetoric that Senator Clinton is using now.

I don't know if Senator Obama can win the White House. No one knows. But to deliberately convey the idea that most white people -- or most working-class white people -- are unwilling to give an African-American candidate a fair hearing in a presidential election is a slur against whites.

The last time the Clintons had to make a big exit was at the end of Bill Clinton's second term as president -- and they made a complete and utter hash of that historic moment. Having survived the Monica Lewinsky ordeal, you might have thought the Clintons would be on their best behavior.

Instead, a huge scandal erupted when it became known that Mrs. Clinton's brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham, had lobbied the president on behalf of criminals who then received presidential pardons or a sentence commutation from Mr. Clinton.

Tony Rodham helped get a pardon for a Tennessee couple that had hired him as a consultant and paid or loaned him hundreds of thousands of dollars. Over the protests of the Justice Department, President Clinton pardoned the couple, Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, who had been convicted of bank fraud in Alabama.

Hugh Rodham was paid $400,000 to lobby for a pardon of Almon Glenn Braswell, who had been convicted of mail fraud and perjury, and for the release from prison of Carlos Vignali, a drug trafficker who was convicted and imprisoned for conspiring to sell 800 pounds of cocaine. Sure enough, in his last hours in office (when he issued a blizzard of pardons, many of them controversial), President Clinton agreed to the pardon for Braswell and the sentence commutation for Vignali.

Hugh Rodham reportedly returned the money after the scandal became public and was an enormous political liability for the Clintons.

Both Clintons professed to be ignorant of anything improper or untoward regarding the pardons. Once, when asked specifically if she had talked with a deputy White House counsel about pardons, Mrs. Clinton said: "People would hand me envelopes. I would just pass them on. You know, I would not have any reason to look into them."

It wasn't just the pardons that sullied the Clintons' exit from the White House. They took furniture and rugs from the White House collection that had to be returned. And they received $86,000 in gifts during the president's last year in office, including clothing (a pantsuit, a leather jacket), flatware, carpeting, and so on. In response to the outcry over that, they decided to repay the value of the gifts.

So class is not a Clinton forte.

But it's one thing to lack class and a sense of grace, quite another to deliberately try and wreck the presidential prospects of your party's likely nominee -- and to do it in a way that has the potential to undermine the substantial racial progress that has been made in this country over many years.

The Clintons should be ashamed of themselves. But they long ago proved to the world that they have no shame.

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With Friends like these
Posted by: fratricide08 on May 12, 2008 2:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...who needs republicans. She was talking about a demographic and once again the quote is sliced and diced to make it look like race-baiting. I'm starting to wonder if the media and some Obama "supporters" are really just trying to sabotage his campaign. Painting the Clintons as racists and now as Mr. Herbert says, classless and graceless too are unforgivable sins. Wanna know why, Clinton supporters say no to Obama? One of the MAJOR reasons is this drivel.

What's more the author has apparently still not figured out the problem. Look at the exit polls and you'll see what the 90% AA vote is obscuring -- the party is divided by CLASS in EVERY CATEGORY -- white, asian, latino, gay, straight etc. Obama is the candidate of the rich/upper middle class whereas Clinton has the votes of the non-rich even when you adjust for race **and** education. AAs obscure this reality because they are almost unified in their support and we as a nation still see in terms of only black and white people.

Further, it does Clinton NO GOOD to race-bait and you have to have a special kind of hate in your heart, and to have taken a few bumps on your head, to believe it in the first place. The demographics have been clear throughout the race and haven't moved in ANY significant amount the entire campaign season. Obama's problem is a class based problem.

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» Do not apologize. Posted by: Prairie Waif
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..." The chickens, are...'a comin' "...
Posted by: dave1616 on May 12, 2008 3:58 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
please see www.discussrace.com

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Blacks' Grotesque Insult To Hillary
Posted by: ot on May 12, 2008 4:42 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Clintons have always been staunch advocates of the Black community. That is why Blacks "have given so much support to both Bill and Hillary over the years". And, as further payback, Blacks are now displaying their inherent racism by turning their backs on their friends and voting for Obama just because he is (half) Black. The irony, of course, is that they are really only voting for a weak and effeminate Uncle Tom, pre-sold to special interests, who will crumble under the first serious pressures of a US presidency. If anyone has a right to be insulted it is Hillary at the turncoat tactics of Black voters.

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» Who's lying Posted by: JimmyVaughan
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Racist Americans
Posted by: Abushite on May 12, 2008 5:02 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why no classification of British Americans, French Americans etc ... etc..
Because the American Mindset has to classify every human in some format !!! What about American, or would that embarrass - when considering the only Americans that can be labeled American are NATIVE Americans - the rest are occupiers.

Barack Obama is more American than many that are busily applying labels.

Mrs Clinton is an American, who is a proven lier - Kosovo , A thief - taking property from the Whitehouse, Corrupt - the cattle futures, WhiteWaters, Acceptance of gross immorality
in her home.

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» African-Irish-American! Posted by: foreverhope
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» Proud Afro-Celtic-American Posted by: Kym525
» RE: acist Americans Posted by: Lauren
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» RE: acist Americans Posted by: Paul1939
Antiquated Demographics & Stratedgies are showing
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 12, 2008 5:21 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Just because you say it - DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!
Between Hillary and the Media, I'm Not sure who has been a HERMIT longer.
Their suppositions to the Demographic and 'Pulse of America' confirms they are Liars and Delusional.How long has it been sinc eany of them have stepped out of their Ivory fortress'?
When's the last time they spoke to a Sociologist, and Anthrologist a Historian who is Not a Corp Spinner, A "Yes Man/Madame" who will say anything tokeep their jobs regardless of Reality. Ignorance and arrogance is not their only Archilles Heel- but the mind numbing effects of their own propaganda and silencing of the Truth and elnlightened Dissent.AmericaNs stopped buying 'they hate US for Our Freedoms' when we saw what th etargets were on 9/11. It was Not US,but THEM who were attacked (we were the innocent victims they had been using as Human shields for Decades), Most of US Never bought into their 'blame the Vicitms' Deflection of Guilt Techniques- But we were Silenced, Gagged and Shackled and 'Waterboarded ' when we could Send out smoke signals to our fellow citizens regarding the LIES!Called 'Conspiracy Theorist Crazies', 'Traitors' ,'Cowards', 'UNAMERICAN'. It is not the 'Terrorist' who Hate Americans Freedoms, Rights and progresive Philosphies it it those who provoked the atttacks on 9/11 through their immoral and Unethical global Business Practices.They have proven their agenda and Goals since 9/11 to bring Down everything that We Stand For- gutted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, Pissed on the Spirit and guiding Force behind The Declaration of Independence "WE THE PEOPLE"

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» Hard to read Posted by: LeeAnnG
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Can Somebody Tell Me What the Clintons Have Ever Done for African-Americans??
Posted by: redbird30328 on May 12, 2008 5:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The mythology and reality are wildly divergent. Other than (or perhaps including) attending some funerals, I don't see anything other than consistent exploitation of a demographic group for political advantage. Oh, I forgot, Bill saw films of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech a few times.

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Personally . . .
Posted by: Scientz on May 12, 2008 5:33 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
. . . I've grown tired of Manichean American racism.

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» Strange ratings Posted by: westomoon
» Yup, that's manichean too Posted by: westomoon
Gemajabe
Posted by: gemajabe on May 12, 2008 5:38 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Mr. Herbert-You have been pumping up Obama since the beginning, not because he is the most progressive candidate (Kucinich and Edwards were better), but I would suspect because he is half Black. This is understandable. What is not understandable is your inability to see the entrenched misogany in this society. I have been voting for President since 1960. I have always had the choice between two males. Do you think this is an accident? When the history of this primary, when a competent, experienced woman had a real shot at the White House, it will be about sexism, not racism. Journalists like you insult and demonize Hillary Clinton and would do so to any woman, because you would prefer a male. Very sad, very demoralizing for women like me who have worked so hard for a better world for women.

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The syntax is really troublesome.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on May 12, 2008 5:49 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First, I have a complaint about the article. Exactly half of it is a diatribe against the Clintons, a gratuitous collection of old Republican talking points.

But the phrase Senator Clinton used, "...working, hard-working Americans, white Americans..." seems to stress an association between "hard working", "white" and "American." Obviously she is pandering to working whites. It also seems to be an oblique shot at Obama supporters who are depicted in the media as blacks and elites.

Her comment seems to define Obama supporters as not hard working, not white, and/or not American.

Also troubling is that I haven't seen Senator Clinton apologize for, or even explain the comment, which really should have happened the moment she realized what had come out of her mouth.

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Mr. Herbert is correct.
Posted by: Quannah on May 12, 2008 6:07 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
And we now see what the Clintons' "win-at-all-costs" strategy has gotten them - it's cost Hillary the nomination. People can blame Obama for her loss (he has received more votes and more delegates, after all!) or blame black voters (last time I checked, aren't we all supposed to be free to vote our conscience?) but they don't place the blame where it should lie: squarely with the Clinton's themselves.

Both Bill and Hillary have played the race card in this primary. They have both used "code language" to urge whites to vote for them, not Obama. They have exploited the racial divide in this country in order to further separate the party into color-coded factions, which is absolutely despicable. Dirty tricks even the Republics haven't yet tried (but I'm sure they will now, seeing that Hillary did it... what a precedent to set, huh?)

It was the Clinton's who decided to take this to the gutter, and it's there they should rightfully finish this whole mess. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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» Can I get an "Amen"! Posted by: Fencerider
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» RE: Mr. Herbert is correct. Posted by: ConsiderChange
Ruthless, Race-Carding Hillary - reposting
Posted by: foreverhope on May 12, 2008 6:16 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Frank Rich: Ruthless, Race-Carding Hillary
By Mark Finkelstein | February 10, 2008 - 08:05 ET
[A] synthetic product leeched of most human qualities. -- Frank Rich, on how Hillary Clinton is being marketed, Feb. 10, 2008.

If Frank Rich is the voice of elite liberal opinion, Hillary Clinton is in deep, deep trouble. How many folks on the Upper West Side and reasonable facsimiles thereof from Boston to Madison to LA will be opening their hearts -- or credit cards -- to Hillary after reading Rich's stunning indictment of Clinton and her campaign this morning?

The jumping-off point for Rich's column is the live prime-time special the night before Super Tuesday that the Clinton campaign conducted. Flashing his theater-critic roots, Rich panned it as a "boring" "pseudo-event," noting that "some in attendance appeared to trance out." But if the staging was bad, the substance was much, much worse in Rich's view. For he claims that it reflected nothing less than Clinton playing from a "thick deck of race cards."

Writes Rich [emphasis added]:

In its carefully calibrated cross section of geographically and demographically diverse cast members — young, old, one gay man, one vet, two union members — African-Americans were reduced to also-rans. One black woman, the former TV correspondent Carole Simpson, was given the servile role of the meeting’s nominal moderator, Ed McMahon to Mrs. Clinton’s top banana. Scattered black faces could be seen in the audience. But in the entire televised hour, there was not a single African-American questioner, whether to toss a softball or ask about the Clintons’ own recent misadventures in racial politics.

The Clinton camp does not leave such matters to chance. This decision was a cold, political cost-benefit calculus. In October, seven months after the two candidates’ dueling church perorations in Selma, USA Today found Hillary Clinton leading Mr. Obama among African-American Democrats by a margin of 62 percent to 34 percent. But once black voters met Mr. Obama and started to gravitate toward him, Bill Clinton and the campaign’s other surrogates stopped caring about what African-Americans thought.

I must say, the fact that the tightly-scripted Clinton campaign didn't permit a single question from a black viewer during an hour-long event is nothing short of shocking.

[T]his show was a dramatic encapsulation of how a once-invincible candidate ended up in a dead heat, crippled by poll-tested corporate packaging that markets her as a synthetic product leeched of most human qualities.

Less than two weeks ago she was airlifted into her own, less effective version of “Mission Accomplished.” Instead of declaring faux victory in Iraq, she starred in a made-for-television rally declaring faux victory in a Florida primary that was held in defiance of party rules, involved no campaigning and awarded no delegates. As Andrea Mitchell of NBC News said, it was “the Potemkin village of victory celebrations.”

The Clinton campaign might be an imploding Potemkin village itself were it not for the fungible profits from Bill Clinton’s murky post-presidency business deals.

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Hard to Admit: The US Is Still a Racist Society
Posted by: ChicagoPaul on May 12, 2008 6:26 AM   
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Truth in Packaging Here: Old (Retired), Hard-Working, Middle Class, and White. I happen to be from Illinois and have been an Obama support from his State Senator days.

Senator Clinton is not necessarily a racist. She is, however, pandering to (not so) latent racist tendencies, not just in West Virginia or in the South, but in the entire United States.

She is pandering. It's what politicians do. Senator Obama has been caught pandering, too.

The bigger problem, which is shamefully not addressed in this forum or in most places today, is that we are still a racist society. I'll say it again: We have made very little progress in the 232 years since the concept of "all men (people) are created equal" was first penned. We can do better than we have. That both Clinton and Obama have gotten as far as they have is a testament to the fact that we are working on the problem.

However, since we are still asking the questions "Is the US ready for a black president?" or "Is the US ready for a woman president?" you can only deduce that we are not only still a racist society, but also a sexist society.

Senator Obama points out that we are not, as yet, a Perfect Union. Dr. King's dream of judging a person by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin is still a dream.

That's why Senator Clinton's "pander" is so destructive: It is not helpful in constructing a more perfect union and it damages the dream.

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» Hold on there C.Paul... Posted by: ConsiderChange
Can we end the flag waving?
Posted by: LeslieGem on May 12, 2008 6:36 AM   
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What I think is ridiculous is how the politicians fall all over themselves to call the folks living in rural areas "hard working" "patriotic" etc. etc. Because that's who Hilary was talking about -- white, rural, probably working class or lower middle class voters. Of course they are hard working -- we all are! What about the folks who live in urban areas? Aren't we hard working? A foreigner listening to all of this would think that the only people who work for a living or have any love for this country are the folks out in the country and us urban people sit around all day eating bon-bons and spitting on the flag! It’s patronizing to people in rural areas and insulting to those in urban ones.

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» Maybe not racist.... Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: Can we end the flag waving? Posted by: ChicagoPaul
» Ah, you "effete" city slickers! Posted by: westomoon
McCain for president, Hillary for VP, and Liebermann for SS
Posted by: Gregory Kruse on May 12, 2008 6:44 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Fate can be generous and fate can be cruel. Hillary became a Democrat because she wanted to join Bill's team. She is still really a Republican. The only thing that could redeem her in the eyes of Democrats is to come out of the closet and run as McCain's mate. All would be forgiven, and everyone would breathe a sigh of relief. The media would have something to chew on for months even after the election, win or lose. She is the only one who can save the Republicans from oblivion, so as a matter of necessity, they would accept her with open arms. She would bring many older white women and working class white people into the Republican party. This is too good a scenario to not happen.

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Are We Above Reproach?
Posted by: JohnJlws on May 12, 2008 6:55 AM   
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The question should not be “why did he stay?” but “why didn’t we listen?”
When “The Reverend” damned our nation we should have analyzed the reason behind his condemnation the same way we should evaluate Farrakhan’s ideas, or wondered when Muhammed Ali said "I got nothin' against the North Vietnamese. They never called me 'nigger.’” Instead the MSM reported only “I got nothin’ against the North Vietnamese” and Ali was lynched for his objection to a war that never should have been authorized and never should have been waged. In full context Ali’s words were no less a stinging indictment of the fact we have failed to include all our population in this “great” experiment in democracy than are Farrakhan’s or “The Reverend’s.”

Instead of serious debate we have weeks of sound bites of “The Reverend” and questioning “what does this mean about this man running for president?” When in fact many weren’t questioning anything, as we so often do, but simply measuring one candidate by a bar set at a different level than the one set for all others and justifying that little inner voice that tells us we should “cross the street as the black man’s coming.” We should instead, and automatically, have viewed an entire life and embraced someone who has the courage to not only listen to contrary opinion, but stand up and say I will not disown this man with ideas I don’t agree with. I have not, in 50 years, seen this sort of courage in politics. We should instead be questioning those who cannot listen to diverse or contrary opinion as the primary example of this behavior sits in the White House and the other candidates running seem to have the same affliction.

Groups like the Swift Boat Clowns for Half-Truth and Innuendo will scare the living daylights out of white America and when they’re done not only will we see a most qualified candidate completely vilified, we’ll once again put the negro in his place and there will be only the slightest whimper of public outcry as we mourn the death yet again of the vision embodied in that single clause in our Declaration.

I cannot, even in my wee little brain, answer simple questions like why is there a different penalty for crack cocaine versus powder cocaine? This question should haunt everyone who thinks because it points to the absolute disparity that exists in a system that we tout as “blind” and yet she provides limited justice to those people of color who have a greater tendency to be involved in crack cocaine. And, if she’s not blind to the simple things, is she anymore sightless to the bigger picture?

We get excited that “he can’t capture the white vote” when the bigger concern isn’t that “she’s lost virtually the entire black vote,” but why is this even a topic of discussion? Why in 2008 are we still thinking a black candidate will get the black vote, a woman will get the female vote and McCain will get votes because people are stupid (not really, but I cannot figure out why anyone wants to continue the policies of the last 8 years and that is McCain)?

So when the Clintons attempt to “Willie Horton” Barack, I am not surprised. Unfortunately I am not surprised when this sort of drivel finds significant traction, when our mass media continue to report “this story,” and when we continue to listen to suggestions that skills sets and expertise are somehow associated with age, sex, or race. “All men [and women] are created equal” is, and always has been, a dream, but we’ve only come a certain distance based on our perception in our quest of this goal and we should not be too self-congratulatory of our progress because for those of us walking in white shoes the strides can seem tremendous, but for many others we have yet to crawl—we’ll see this election if we’re finally able to take a tenuous step.

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» RE: Are We Above Reproach? Posted by: dgleason
» RE: Are We Above Reproach? Posted by: ibolyap
She's an ungainly speaker who was paraphrasing poll data.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 12, 2008 7:34 AM   
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The real question to her critics on this particular oh-so-heinous-reality-based-slur is which is more offensive--polling data or Clinton herself? You folks do know that they take polling data, and much of it is demographically based?

FYI, you don't have to be a racist to vote for Clinton, and you don't have to be a mysogynist to vote for Obama.

Go figure, lol, "progressively"!

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