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Election 2008

Hillary Is McCain's Dream Candidate, Not Obama's

By Guy T. Saperstein, AlterNet. Posted May 10, 2008.


Before the talk of a Obama/Hillary "dream ticket" goes too far, are we talking about the the Republicans' dream, or everyone else's?
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Now that it is apparent to all, except perhaps Hillary Clinton and some of her die-hard supporters, that Barack Obama will be the Democratic presidential nominee, the drumbeat for a "dream" ticket [Obama/Clinton] is starting. But before this goes too far, we need to ask, whose "dream" are we talking about? Our Republican opponents' dream or ours?

John McCain is in deep trouble, and not just because of the legacy of George Bush. He is in trouble with much of the Republican base, particularly the Religious Right, who never have trusted him. It is no accident that turnout in nearly all Republican primaries has been low, that McCain's fundraising has been dismal and that in the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, nearly 25 percent of Republican voters voted against him, despite the fact that he clearly will be the Republican nominee.

While McCain was the strongest in a weak field of Republican candidates, his candidacy clearly is not galvanizing conservatives. There is only one candidate who can do that: Hillary Clinton. To the conservative base of the Republican Party, she is the Democratic demon and the candidate the Republicans' want to face. She is Rush Limbaugh's candidate of choice. She is the candidate who the Right would use to raise money and turn out volunteers. She is the only potential Democratic VP who would build Republican enthusiasm and inspire the grassroots Republican campaign.

She also is the candidate who consistently measures the highest "unfavorable" ratings of anyone who ever has run for the presidency. In an ABC News poll, Clinton polls 54 percent unfavorable; perhaps even worse, 58 percent of voters say she is not honest and trustworthy. Both Clintons stand out for the amount of voter antipathy they attract: Thirty-nine percent of voters have a "strongly unfavorable" opinion of Hillary Clinton; only 22 percent have a "strongly favorable" view. Thirty-four percent are strongly negative on Bill Clinton and 51 percent have an "unfavorable" opinion of him. And Hillary's low-road campaign has had an impact: Forty-one percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters describe the tone of the Democratic campaign as "mostly negative," and by nearly a 4 to 1 margin, 52 percent to 14 percent, blame Clinton. Is taking baggage like this into the general election anyone's "dream" but a Republican's?

Worse than Hillary's high unfavorables, an Obama-Clinton ticket would create a continuing crossfire -- not between McCain and Obama, but between Obama and Clinton. Every one of Clinton's interactions with the media would feature questions like, "Do you still think Barack Obama lacks experience to be commander-in-chief?" "Do you still think Obama is an elitist?" "That he doesn't understand the problems of the white working class?" "Do you still think his past association with Reverend Wright is very troublesome?" Obama would be asked, "During the primary campaign, your VP said your healthcare plan sucked. Was she right? Does it suck?" "Do you want to obliterate Iran, too, like your vice president?" And, when the press wasn't asking these questions, John McCain would ask them. Or, maybe we all could be reminded of Bill's talk of a Clinton versus McCain contest, where we would have a campaign of "two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," unlike Obama. Even worse than this scenario, Barack Obama would be cast in the position of having to defend his own VP's past attacks on himself. By doing so, he would not simply look like a hypocrite, he would, in fact, be a hypocrite -- thus putting into jeopardy his coin of the realm, his honesty and integrity. The general campaign wouldn't be about Obama versus McCain, it would be Act Two of a very bad marriage, with Obama sacrificing his integrity trying to explain away his own VP's past attacks on him. If you think her snarky, negative primary campaign was a thing of the past, think again because the Republicans and the press would offer us deja vu all over again. Lost in this dialogue of the past would be Obama's opportunity to explain how he wants to take America into a more productive future.

Those who "dream" of an Obama-Clinton ticket also fail to recognize something significant: Hillary has been a lousy candidate. I used to think that Al Gore and John Kerry ran the worst campaigns for president ever, but Hillary's ineptitude set new records. Five months ago, Hillary had a 20-plus point lead in Democratic polling, the greatest name recognition of any candidate, the most money, support from a popular former Democratic president who was actively campaigning for her, nostalgia for the Clinton era of "peace and prosperity," a ton of endorsements, the aura of "inevitability" -- and she squandered it all with an inexorable series of misjudgments, abetted by her husband's, her campaign's and her own unrelenting arrogance. By contrast, Obama ran down and exposed the dinosaur for what it was, not simply with a brilliantly executed campaign, but with a core understanding that voters were tired of the type of old-style politics and old-style campaigning Bill and Hillary so ably represent. Why should he now forge an alliance with one of the most ineffective old-style campaigns ever, not to mention take on the Big Dog [Bill] as his new pal -- in this case, an uncontrollable pal who would try to run not only Hillary's campaign, but Obama's, as well? This is my definition of a Living and Breathing Nightmare -- one with plenty of 3 a.m. calls from Bill! Even worse than sharing a campaign with Bill and Hill, allying with the Clintons would undermine the very essence of the Obama message -- that real change is needed in Washington. It would be seen as completely inauthentic, the worst type of marriage of convenience. And unlike the shotgun marriage JFK made with LBJ, Hillary brings nothing to the table; unlike LBJ, she can't bring a swing state into the Democratic column. Obama could win New York with Daffy Duck as his VP.


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Guy T. Saperstein is a past president of the Sierra Club Foundation; previously, he was one of the National Law Journal’s "100 Most Influential Lawyers in America."

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Daffy Duck?
Posted by: ankhet on May 10, 2008 12:28 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Another Black candidate? Maybe he ought to pick a White as a running mate just for balance - like Donald Duck. Either way, he's preferable to the Hillary.

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» lol, no! not FAUX! NEVER! Posted by: foreverhope
Some Disagreements
Posted by: progdem on May 10, 2008 12:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Clinton has higher unfavorable ratings. But as the author points out she also came in with higher name recognition. While it shouldn't, the Wright stuff, the 'bitter' comments and the fact that he is black is going to lead lots of republicans to get very angry about Obama. He might still have an advantage, even after all that, but there is no reason to think it will be significant.

As for the list of VP choices, most of them are quite bad. Given Clark's support for the Iraq war, what makes him less hawkish than Clinton? The idea of pairing Obama with a general is nice, but maybe not one who is a preening media darling. Webb is a very conservative democrat who has been a major dissapointment in the Senate. Richardson, in my eyes at least, showed himself to be a bumbling idiot with no command of the issues during his little run for the presidency. He is, in addition, also from the conservative wing of the party. Obama's policy proposals are centrist enough. Putting someone even more conservative on the ticket with him strikes me as a way to get a republican-lite presidency.

The reason to prefer Obama is that he is clearly a better organizer and campaigner. With this no informed person can argue. For anti-war, clean elections, social democracy types like me he is going to be a dissapointment as president, but he is going to drown McCain in volunteers and money. Clinton has shown almost no ability to do anything but race bait and get money from big corporate donors.

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» RE: Some Disagreements Posted by: Blink
» TexFemDem Posted by: nomomorons
» RE: Some Disagreements Posted by: no1kstate
» TexFemDem Posted by: nomomorons
» You go, TexFemDem! Posted by: westomoon
» RE: TexFemDem Posted by: progdem
Whites Only
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 10, 2008 1:09 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Dems are taking a decided roll of the dice by nominating an African American to be their standard bearer, given this country's unfortunate history with respect to race. It should be noted that Senator Clinton's nomination would not have been a roll of the dice. That would have been sheer insanity.

For safety's sake, Senator Obama's running mate should be a white, male Christian. This is a ticket that is going to have to be very carefully balanced for obvious reasons. Some Americans will be freaked out enough at the prospect of a black candidate, let's not make it any more difficult for the poor darlin's. Not only that but the whiter the better - someone like Jim Webb! You can't get any whiter than that guy!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Hillary Huckabee

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» How about Casper the Friendly Ghost? Posted by: DuChamp Fitz
» RE: Whites Only Posted by: desidid
» RE: Whites Only Posted by: bittershaman
Clinton is Unelectable Because of Hyper Religious & Real Dems & Real Repubs
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 10, 2008 4:03 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Granted the Right wingers wnat another mentally deficit in the Oval Office- Tehywill be able to get things past him Too. but I am baffled why they proclaim their hatred of Hillary- she appears to be in lock step with their Corp sponsors futher aspirations, not to mention the 'Armegeddon' fanatics doctrine. Frankly I think this is an attempt by such blow hard idiots as Rush to use an elementry form of 'Reverse Psychology'- Beat up on clinton so the Dems will run to her defense by blindly voting for her. Hasn't Worked. I have No doubt Old Scholl Republicans are truly against her becasue she certianly will not reduce the size & scope of Gov't and their Multinationals conglomerates (Killers of the Free market).Rush is still using the 'Faithful' as a tool in his Double speak stratedgy.
But who Hillary really has the inablitiy to reacpture are those of US Ol' Dems who were anxiously hoping for her to run and watching her progression while in the Senate. WE begin to see the Chinks in her 'armour' not just the ill fated Iraq vote - which caused OUR jaws to drop- but every other vote, Thought and Word that has come out of her mouth since.
So if Old School Republicans, Religious 'fanatics 'and Old School Dems find her Frightening I would say she is highly Unelectable.As a 26 yr loyal voting Dem- I will leave the Party if they hand this Neo Con covert operative the nomination, and I will Never vote for another Dem for anything again- It will be proof the Neo Cons Blue arm the DLC has Seized the Party.'Obliterate Iran' with nukes to protect & defend Isreal, Saudi's & the UAE (w didn't bother to even add US to her list) was s DEAD give away, the final nail in her fake'Democrat' coffin. I shudder at the thought of her running this country- she is Cheney & Co's girl, certianly NOT OURS! Seh is th ereason for the lastest misnomer/oxymoron term 'Reagan Democrat' no such beast ever lived. More appropriately they could be considered disenfranchised Republicans who escaped into th eDem party after the '80's hostile take over by the 'Moral Majority' zealots and extremeists. But actually they are most likely undercover Neo Cons, Real Dems Hated the Reagan Adminsitration as Much as We Do Bush Admin (the 6&7 Cheney Regime Terms in the WH- Nixon, Ford, Ronny,HW & W)

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» Let's not get too pedantic. Posted by: Prairie Waif
Media, media, media
Posted by: johnp on May 10, 2008 4:13 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You couldn't be more wrong than you are. The author can't be serious, so he must be, for his own reasons, pulling your leg. Obama is far and away, the candidate media and the republicans wanted, that's why you're getting him. That logic is too simply for you eh! Try this. Why did Hillary maintain an insurmountable lead for 10 months? Name recognition? Nonsense. By the end of a 10 month period, Biden, Richardson, etc. were resigning. It was obvious, that name recognition wasn't Hillary's forte. It was something a lot stronger. People like and trusted her. That's why she had such a huge and seemingly insurmountable lead, not the misleading nonsense fed to you by the author of our essay. 10 months, were more than enough time to make oneself known to the electorate, and to make ones's views and agenda well known. Everyone quit; everyone, that is, except Obama, whose numbers were also hopelessly in the toilet.

We're being lied to, by everyone in media, including the deceptively "leftwing" authors delivered to us by AlterNet. Read on, if you dare:
______________________________________Here are two very perceptive articles about the Republican push to
diminish Clinton's victories and to push the Democrats into
nominating Obama.

http://creativeyouth.net/yellowjournalism.html

NEWS BULLETIN FOR THE NEWS INDUSTRY: CLINTON WON INDIANA,
OBAMA HAD A DISAPPOINTING FINISH
SPECIAL REPORT ON MEDIA YELLOW JOURNALISM BY THE CREATIVE YOUTH NEWS
TEAM

May 8, 2008

The TV news media is continuing to spin Hillary Clinton's victory in
Indiana as a loss. Two weeks prior to her victory, polls showed
Barack Obama easily winning Indiana, the state in the backyard of his
home state. The turnaround from Obama to Clinton was evidence that
Clinton has momentum in this race and that Obama's support is weak.

Clinton's win was in spite of the disenfranchisements of significant
numbers within Indiana demographics that supported Clinton. Elderly
citizens, whom polls showed supporting Clinton by a wide margin, were
not allowed to vote if they had surrendered their driver's licenses.
Memo to seniors: keep driving so you can vote. Missouri is working
to amend its constitution to exclude you.

The mass media news bias towards Obama is not subtle. It is extreme
and obvious. Research has shown that the TV news networks are owned
by a small number of Republican corporations. This means the
Republican corporations are using millions, possibly billions, of
dollars worth of airtime to promote Obama. Why?

Copyright ©2008 by the Creative Youth News Team. All rights reserved.
http://creativeyouth.net/gopwantsobama.html

The Jig Is Up: Republican Corporatists Want Obama as the Democratic
Nominee
Special Election Coverage and Analysis by the Creative Youth News Team

May 7, 2008
Hillary Clinton's sizable victory in Pennsylvania established her
firmly as the contender who has the support of the majority of people
in the states Democrats have the best chance of winning in November,
2008. The television news media, largely owned by Republican mega-
corporations, appeared to have difficulty trying to spin against
Clinton's win in Pennsylvania on election night.

The news media handed Clinton a challenge. At the time of the
Pennsylvania primary, polls showed that Barack Obama easily would win
both Indiana and North Carolina. TV reporters said that wins for
Obama in both Indiana and North Carolina would be obstacles for
Clinton and that a win in one of those two states would be important
in establishing her as the electable candidate.

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» RE: Media, media, media Posted by: desidid
» Well, on this planet... Posted by: hurricane hugo
Hillary cont'd
Posted by: johnp on May 10, 2008 4:19 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
She pulled off that
win in Indiana, last night.

Indiana is not just any state. It is next to Obama's home state of
Illinois. Indiana residents listen to Chicago news. This was close
to a desertion of a favorite son. Aside from having to overtake
Obama's clear lead in the Indiana polls of two weeks ago, Clinton
supporters had another challenge. Voters had to have state-issued ID
cards . A major group of Clinton voters, the elderly, many of whom
had stopped driving and relinquished their licenses, were the hardest
hist group of registered voters disenfranchised by this requirement.
When Clinton's victory is viewed in terms of how many more registered
voters would have voted for her had they been allowed to do so, her
victory takes on a greater magnitude.

Obama's victory, last night, was limited to North Carolina, where
there are not enough Democrats to take the state from McCain in
November.

Members of the Creative Youth News Team watched as Republican news
station after Republican news station tried hard to spin Clinton's
victory. As the Republican-paid news spokespersons bent over
backwards to try to turn Clinton's victory into a loss, it became
apparent that the goal was other than a presentation of the facts.
The news media was presenting pure spin instead of news. Why didn't
the reporters simply report that Clinton had turned around a state
that two weeks before had been an Obama state? Why did reporters
suggest, after such an impressive turnaround for Clinton, that
Clinton was on her way out? If residents of Florida and Michigan are
re-enfranchised by the Democratic National Committee, Clinton will be
rolling towards the nomination. Both Obama and Clinton will have to
get the support of so-called super-delegates. A 50 state solution
means that the deck is close to even. However, the news media spin
is aimed at trying to get Clinton to drop out just as she may be
nearing victory.

If the super-delegates look at the electoral breakdown, they would
have a difficult time backing Obama. As mathematically reported in
an earlier article, the electoral breakdown establishes Clinton as
the likely winner over McCain and McCain as the likely over Obama.
Read "IN ELECTORAL VOTES, CLINTON BEATS McCAIN AND IS WAY AHEAD OF
OBAMA; OBAMA LIKELY TO LOSE ELECTORAL VOTE TO McCAIN" at
http://creativeyouth.net/electoralcollege2008.html for more details.

What possible purpose could the Republican news media have for trying
to get Clinton to drop out of the race and to hand Obama the
nomination? Would the Republican corporations want a President who
would act against their interests? If you consider that Republican
corporate heads are too smart to help a candidate who will act
against their interests, there remain two possibilities?

The first possibility is that the Republican News Media believe Obama
will help Republican corporations at the expense of the people. If
you read today's Black Agenda Report at
http://blackagendareport.com , you will discover that the most
educated among the Black commentators seem to believe Obama stands
with the Republican corporations against the people.

The second possibility is that the Republican News Media is holding
back stories that will be used to crush Obama in October and
November. This will result in the election of John McCain.

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» RE: Hillary cont'd Posted by: shanaza
» RE: Hillary cont'd Posted by: Agi
» You're crying over spilled milk Posted by: DreamFast
» RE: Hillary cont'd Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» Hillary also is losing because Posted by: WhuThe?!?
Hillary concluded
Posted by: johnp on May 10, 2008 4:22 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The
October story is expected revolve around indicted influence-peddler
Tony Rezko, a top fundraiser for Obama. Rezko's wife provided Obama
with part of the property upon which Obama's house sits. The money
for this investment appears to be from another Obama friend Nadhmi
Auchi, who was part of several economic ventures with Saddam
Hussein. The media is believed to be planning to focus on the Saddam
Hussein-Barack Obama financial connection as a major story in October
or November. The objection to McCain is that he has voted with Bush
for war and torture. For Obama to win, the American people may have
to find themselves preferring a Saddam Hussein connection to a Bush
connection. Democratic voters who get their news from the TV because
they are too poor for the Internet are unlikely to pick Saddam
Hussein over Bush in November.

A side effect of the second possibility is a KKK dream-come true. If
Obama is crushed because of associations with terrorists and
criminals, the loss would be spun as the loss of a Black candidate.
The loss would be used to prevent future Blacks from being
nominated. In the event of a sinking Obama campaign, many who dream
of a Black President would likely stick with Obama instead of
switching to a more electable Cynthia McKinney, the liberal African-
American Congresswoman who filed Articles of Impeachment against
Bush, Cheney and Rice. The fear of many informed Democrats is that
the Obama supporters will dwindle but largely sink with the ship and
thereby cost America its chances for an African-American or female
President in favor of a white male from the Bush camp.

The probability is that, if super delegates pick Obama, they will
cost their party the Presidency. If they pick Clinton, they will
likely win the Presidency. Most disgruntled Obama voters are expect
to go independent or to stay home. Many of them would vote for
McKinney but not for McCain. The conservative part of the Clinton
vote might go to McCain if she loses the nomination. Though
Clinton's voting record is to the left of Obama's, Clinton is
perceived as more conservative and has attracted more Democratic
conservatives to her. Members of the Creative Youth News Team
personally know at least three Orange County Clinton pledged
delegates who have a history of voting for Republicans over Democrats
and who might vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

The Republican corporations appear determined to continue steering
the nomination towards Obama. The CY News Team will be watching and
reporting on the spin.

Copyright ©2008 by the Creative Youth News Team. All rights reserved.

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» RE: Hillary concluded Posted by: DreamFast
» Dittohead rhetoric Posted by: westomoon
» RE: Hillary concluded Posted by: bystander
» It's Dittohead journalism Posted by: westomoon
gemajabe
Posted by: gemajabe on May 10, 2008 4:30 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Hillary Clinton does not get the nomination as it appears more likely, it will no longer be possible to hate her for running. What will the misoganists do? Of course, hate her for even the possiblilty that she might get the vice presidential spot. Justice aside-why do we always get two men to choose from when 51% of the population is female?-She has many supporters, including me, who believe both Clinton and Obama are viable Democrats. Both have behaved like typical politicians to make their case. He is not the new Messiah. There are few differences between them except that her health plan is better, she is more experienced and she has different sex organs. It is time, way overtime, for a woman to break through the Executive Branch cement ceiling. The sexism and male priviledge that has prevented this for 230 years is abhorrent. This nomination has been stolen from her,in part, because of the sexist bias of both the left and the mainstream press. If she was on the ticket, it would bring in a wealth of women voters who now feel disenfranchised by the refusal of both parties to run women.

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» RE: gemajabe Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» RE: gemajabe Posted by: Marlena
» RE: gemajabe Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» How is she "more experienced"? Posted by: westomoon
» RE: gemajabe Posted by: jareilly
» Read Barbara Ehrenreich Posted by: funnyguy
Yes, it absolutely would be a living breathing nightmare
Posted by: foreverhope on May 10, 2008 5:24 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"This is my definition of a Living and Breathing Nightmare -- one with plenty of 3 a.m. calls from Bill! Even worse than sharing a campaign with Bill and Hill, allying with the Clintons would undermine the very essence of the Obama message -- that real change is needed in Washington. It would be seen as completely inauthentic, the worst type of marriage of convenience. And unlike the shotgun marriage JFK made with LBJ, Hillary brings nothing to the table; unlike LBJ, she can't bring a swing state into the Democratic column. Obama could win New York with Daffy Duck as his VP."

Hellary and Bill Clinton have TOO much baggage, WAY TOO MUCH. Barack does not need her to win in November, in fact it would only drag him down. She in no way represents change for one thing. Her swing state theory is deeply flawed. History shows voting patterns change, the Clinton campaign is using the old road map.

In February I would have supported an Obama/Clinton ticket, not anymore. Hillary and Bill Clinton should be drummed out of the dem party for their repug-like campaigning tactics. They are disgraceful, I never want to vote for a Clinton ever again. IMO they have proven they are not good enough to clean Barack's shoes.

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» and what about the money? Posted by: foreverhope
» Which Hellary? Posted by: foreverhope
» Too much fun Posted by: westomoon
» Such a deal Posted by: westomoon
Like a jilted lover
Posted by: Blink on May 10, 2008 5:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Clintons, over whom the media and progressives fawned for 8+ years, must be feeling like jilted lovers. The media was in the tank for Hillary, and then along came the Messiah. The media couldn't turn on the Clintons fast enough. Must be infuriating. Now, if we can just get the Golden One to get clear on the fact that there are 50 states...

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» RE: Like a jilted lover Posted by: mahabhusuku
» RE: Like a jilted lover Posted by: writer7
» Good point Posted by: Blink
» the latest falderall Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: the latest falderall Posted by: Blink
» Oh! I see! even sillier falderall! Posted by: foreverhope
» Just like progressives Posted by: Blink
» just like a repug troll.... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: If I'm wrong, then explain Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: If I'm wrong, then explain Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: If I'm wrong, then explain Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: the latest falderall Posted by: bluepilgrim
» Best screen name ever! Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Wasn't it the Clinton campaign Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Really great non sequitur Posted by: Blink
Say No to McCaskill
Posted by: k_pr on May 10, 2008 6:21 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Being a Missouri resident, I have to disagree with the suggestion of Sen. McCaskill. For progressives, her voting record is shaky. She has voted to continue funding of the Iraq war and to extend immunity to telecoms in the FISA bill. Twice.

If she were from any state other than Missouri, she would be a pro-choice Republican. We in Missouri just happen to be pretty backwards.

In addition she narrowly won here and could not deliver any part of the state that Obama could not already achieve, namely, KC and STL. If the goal is to reach those rural voters, McCaskill won't be able to do it. We are just that conservative in this state.

She lost the governor's race here in 2004 to a pretty inept Matt Blunt again because she could not win in the rural areas and because she ticked off some in the party (especially in STL) by running against and defeating incumbent Gov. Bob Holden. To her benefit, those wounds were healed by the time she challenged the ultra-conservative Jim Talent.

Just say no to McCaskill.

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"Nightmare" ticket
Posted by: PJAW on May 10, 2008 6:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary is NOT the woman I would want as the first woman president. And for the same reasons, I wouldn't want her to be vice president. She's dishonest, and far too self-serving for me to support her. I have no confidence whatsoever that she gives a damn about me or the millions of other Americans who are struggling to survive the Bush presidency and move on to rebuild America.

As for her making the Democratic ticket stronger..., that won't happen. Obama is the last best hope still standing, we need for him to win in November against McCain.

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» But Obama is honest? NOT! Posted by: Zenobia
Operation Chaos-- gone nowhere!!!
Posted by: xvictor on May 10, 2008 7:02 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Rush Limbo had a scam going for ditto head repugnicans to vote for Hillary in the primaries in the illusion of helping to divide the Dem camp and eventually help elect a Repug into the White House. They do this because they are TERRIFIED of Obama!! Not only did the Rev. Wright issue came and went, Obama has grown more popular and Hillary more distant despite Rush's Operation Chaos' perceived success in coaxing Repugs to vote for Hillary.

Rightwing radio pundits, when not dissing McCain because of his perceived "liberalism", had praised him for his debating skills. That is so much pie in the sky horseshit. During the Repug debates, McCain sounded like he had huge marbles stuffed in his mouth after Dr. Ron Paul asked him intelligent questions regarding U.S. finance and economics.

Yeah, some debating skills.

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Voting Blocks
Posted by: Southern Gal on May 10, 2008 7:06 AM   
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Hillary has the blue collar working class, the older voters, Catholics, many white women and Hispanics. She has the voters that Obama has been challenged to capture. With an Obama/Clinton ticket the majority of the voters would be covered for the Democrats. She's lacking the evangelical, neo Con wingnuts, but they are solidly Republican anyway. She's also a fighter and has weathered the Republican right for years. She can take the hits while Obama takes the high road.

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» Cute metaphor, but... Posted by: westomoon
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» Obama has no chance Posted by: Left of center
another Missouri Female Voter
Posted by: SackofWoe0 on May 10, 2008 7:34 AM   
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You are so right about Claire, I will never vote for her again. She is a real disappointment in her votes for legislation that cause injury to all Americans, such as her vote for the funding of the continuation of the war. And her support for Obama was clearly a political one, not because he is the better candidate, because she will need the Black vote when and if she runs again. Shame on you Claire.

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Mr. And Mrs. Clinton
Posted by: bc430 on May 10, 2008 7:43 AM   
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Good night and Good luck.

Good bye.

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» RE: Mr. And Mrs. Clinton Posted by: Ugot_it_right
PA, TX, OH, IN and Hillary
Posted by: djnoll on May 10, 2008 7:49 AM   
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Has anyone ever taken the time to look at the registration of Republicans as Democrats in Operation Chaos as a factor in Hillary's so-called wins in these states? These are people who will vote for McCain come November, and I would bet if you factor out their votes, you will find that Hillary either did not win among Democrats or it was a very slim margin at best. I would also wager that Obama carried Indiana if this were done as well as possibly Ohio and the Texas primaries, not just the caucuses.

Hillary would no more be an asset in the general election than the man in the moon! This woman has alienated so many Democrats, which I think is her ultimate strategy to split the party and give herself another shot in 2012, that she would not only lose if she ran as the candidate, but would bring down any ticket as a VP candidate. Obama would be looking over his back at every turn to make sure she and her husband were not sabotaging the campaign, or planning his assassination once elected. Their ability to undermine any policy changes he might want to institute is enormous, and they would do everything they could to make him a one-term president so she could run in 2012.

If the Democratic party is smart they will give this witch and her lapdog the boot and never consider anything with any power for her in the future. She will never even be a Ted Kennedy in the Senate, and my guess will be that she will find herself unemployed in 4 years.

Now if she would only fold up her tents and leave the scene so that the party can move forward and unite behind Obama against McCain, put forth policy statements that can be openly debated because they are supported by one, united party, then maybe we can actually see a new future, not a disaster heading our way.

NO TO HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT AND NO TO HILLARY AS VICE PRESIDENT! WE THE PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER!

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» RE: PA, TX, OH, IN and Hillary Posted by: sjosephs
» RE: PA, TX, OH, IN and Hillary Posted by: lasirene
» RE: PA, TX, OH, IN and Hillary Posted by: Ugot_it_right
» RE: PA, TX, OH, IN and Hillary Posted by: beaubeau
it's too late,
Posted by: dsmidiman on May 10, 2008 7:53 AM   
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This country is bought and paid for and the entities (Religious right, big corporate America) that own it are far to entrenched in the system for any substantial change to occur at this point. Anyone whether democrat republican or independent that would offer real change for all the people of this country hasn't got a chance!! Everything we see and hear in the media is designed, by the people "driving the bus" to influence our way of thinking in order to gain support from we the people so that we will accept their way of thinking.

This would not be such a bad thing if thier way of thinking was for the common good of all the people of this nation. But sadly it is not, it is all about making more money so that they can "control" even more so how we live. We are simply pawns of the game to them, slaves to thier obessions with greed, power and control.

We do not live in a democracy in this country anymore. The very reason this country was established in the beginning "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness" for ALL, free from the restraints and control of any one paticular group organization or entity is untouchable at this point. The founding fathers of this nation have to be rolling over in thier graves when they see what thier hard work and sacrafice has created in the end.

Our world is rapidly changing and unless you are one of the people "driving the bus" life is going to pretty much slavery to those who are. Many who think they are part of the "drivers" are realizing that they are not. As time goes on more will see this and understand what is truely happeneing. Because greed power and control knows no boundries and is an insatiable ideology. It's like playing a game, sooner or later all the players are gone and the winner then turns on himself(s)

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» Oh, very helpful! Posted by: westomoon
Eliyahu59
Posted by: gemajabe on May 10, 2008 7:59 AM   
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The GOP-controlled media made Obama into OUR candidate because they know that the crucial cross-over Democrats will NOT vote for a Black President.

The media created Obama-mania and then we voters foolishly followed their cues.

My first choices were Kucinich and Edwards -- and not because they are men, but because they are the most progressive anti-war, non-BS people running.

Liberals have been wrong before: 1968, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, and 2004 by running the weakest candidates possible and by being out of touch with what most VOTERS wanted.

So do your "victory dance" around Obama. Vote in haste and repent at leisure-- 8 McCain years of anti-choice, pro-war, pro-religio-extremism, homophobia, and economic policies that only favor the rich.

Then, you can add 2008 to the "1968 to 2000" list.

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» RE: liyahu59 Posted by: cherylsass123
So why not Edwards?
Posted by: Urstrly on May 10, 2008 8:10 AM   
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I'm just astonished that Bill Clinton has been able to stifle himself throughout the long debacle of the two presidencies of George W. Bush and now comes out swinging at Obama. Hillary might have made a decent vice president (actually, that's what her experience matches best) but what's to be done with Bill? It would be a nightmare, the Night of the Living Dead.

I'm surprised Saperstein doesn't see John Edwards as a viable partner for Obama. He courted some of the same voters that now go for Clinton, and it's easier for a white guy to talk about poverty than any person of color.

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» RE: So why not Edwards? Posted by: funnyguy
» RE: So why not Edwards? Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: So why not Edwards? Posted by: dgleason
Want to Change My Name to Old, Hard-working White
Posted by: ChicagoPaul on May 10, 2008 8:29 AM   
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Long-time Barack Obama supporter and campaign donor, from Chicago - born and raised. Now retired, I want to change from ChicagoPaul to OLDHARDWORKINGWHITE,

Nope, Hillary has gone 'way over the damn with her recent polarizing remarks about whites voting for her rather than Obama. But is this a surprise, really? One of the major drawbacks about both Clintons is their ability to polarize a nation as opposed to bring the nation together.

Nope, Senator Clinton would not be a good candidate for Vice President. She really doesn't add anything.

I think the best choice for Vice President would be Governor Richardson. Lots of interesting experience and a great beard! My beard is now pretty much white, but I do remember when mine was his color (like back in 1968 in Grant Park the night HHH was nominated). His being a Hispanic leader doesn't hurt either.

Just thoughts as an old and hard-working white, who supports Obama.

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Which Obama running mate woud the Republicans fear most?
Posted by: HughScott on May 10, 2008 8:37 AM   
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James Webb.

Enough said except "Adios, Mrs. Sniper Fire!"

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Hillary Hearts McCain
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 10, 2008 8:59 AM   
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If Obama picks Hillary to be his running mate, that would be a HUGE mistake. I agree with everything the author says about why an Obama-Clinton ticket would be a bad idea. Another reason to not have her as VP: Hillary in 2016. Ugg!

I have heard it suggested humorously by others that Hillary be MCCAIN'S running mate. Seriously though, that would be a brilliant move by McCain if he was to take her for his VP candidate. They could, if they win, together happily nuke Iran and give Big Oil its oil-tax "holiday" it wants.
What a pair, those two. What kidders.

And, as Hillary continues to attack Obama, not McCain, even when the nomination is almost a done deal, I have to wonder why Hillary is so eager to split the proverbial baby. Whose side is she REALLY on anyway?

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» RE: Hillary Hearts McCain Posted by: cherylsass123
No more.
Posted by: bluepilgrim on May 10, 2008 9:24 AM   
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I won't vote for Hillary even as VP -- she is evil -- and if Obama picks her that would show me that he has no judgement or integrity left and has sold out to the fascists. In that case I'll vote third party or independent, or for no one (McKinney may be on the ballot -- black, female AND a real progressive!). Obama is already an iffy choice -- right on the edge for me, and requiring a fair bit of hope and blind faith to vote for.

My rule is "don't vote for anyone you don't think is acceptable" -- don't knuckle under to the party games and the media manipulation. If we end with McCain that will bring about the revolution sooner, and that may well be inevitable already. The real solutions to our problems are not in the old politics no matter who is elected, but in the people. A good politician in office is just icing on the cake at best -- but the cake has be there first.

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» RE: No more. Posted by: ovation766
McCain has a brain?
Posted by: frantaylor on May 10, 2008 9:29 AM   
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I don't know if anyone saw The Daily Show recently, but when Jon Stewart suggested that he should make Hillary Clinton his running mate, McCain scoffed at the notion.

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It's not about "she's a woman."
Posted by: nomomorons on May 10, 2008 9:54 AM   
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Look, I am a Class A Feminist. I've started feminist organizations, served on feminist boards, supported feminist candidates, walked in parades for feminist issues, and even served in public office as a feminist. I am also a full-fledged Obama supporter.

Hillary Clinton is not a feminist. Sorry, it's not about sexism in all cases. Yes, she's been treated unfairly because she's a woman; I mean, who hasn't? But she's also manipulated the issue.

A feminist is someone (of either sex) who believes that gender is not a basis upon which to grant or deny benefits. Women who use their gender, or who use men, to promote their entitlement simply do not qualify as feminists.

Additionally, Hillary voted for wars in Iraq and Iran and wants to "obliterate" other countries, she's the corporate puppet and NAFTA really is her baby. Plus, her treatment of the women her husband canoodled is absolutely disgusting.

No, Hillary's problem is not that she's female; it's that she lacks character.

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» Nancy Pelosi Posted by: funnyguy
scotus potus
Posted by: bluepilgrim on May 10, 2008 10:49 AM   
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Scotus appointments are a concern, of course, but I will not make decisions based on fear. The rules can be changed -- scotus could be enlarged, as Roosevelt threaten. Members can be impeached if the political will is there -- there are good reason to do so. The constitution can even be amended, if the people are behind it.

In truth, when the people, united, speak and act, then nothing is off the table. If Congress is on the people's side, then it can pass laws which SCOTUS has little or nothing to say about. Congress could have stopped the war, stopped the torture, stopped the erosion of civil rights -- stopped the gangsters -- if Congress was not in the gangsters' corner.

The spector of more gagsters on the suprem court is just another bogieman to frighten with, but for a courageous people it nothing which cannot be properly dealth with.

Fear is the mind-killer.

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OBAMA's VP
Posted by: Ugot_it_right on May 10, 2008 12:38 PM   
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Gov Richardson is the right man. Never Hillary.

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» RE: OBAMA's VP Posted by: desidid
Finally rationality
Posted by: dgleason on May 10, 2008 12:44 PM   
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Most significant to me is this:

"Those who "dream" of an Obama-Clinton ticket also fail to recognize something significant: Hillary has been a lousy candidate. I used to think that Al Gore and John Kerry ran the worst campaigns for president ever, but Hillary's ineptitude set new records. Five months ago, Hillary had a 20-plus point lead in Democratic polling, the greatest name recognition of any candidate, the most money, support from a popular former Democratic president who was actively campaigning for her, nostalgia for the Clinton era of "peace and prosperity," a ton of endorsements, the aura of "inevitability" -- and she squandered it all with an inexorable series of misjudgments, abetted by her husband's, her campaign's and her own unrelenting arrogance."

What Hillary Clinton and her supporters fail to seem to consider is that she has never personally faced 'republican attack machine' herself in an election. Swiftboating Hillary will be a cake walk and we have already seen that she can't 'start ahead' and even maintain part of that lead.

My problem with Hillary's candidacy this year is multidimensional. It started with just the experience of how much hatred there is for her in that crucial independent sector, many people that I know that are otherwise pretty reasonable absolutely hate her. When I look at their behavior in their lives in many there is no substantial evidence that this is just 'patriarchy'. I had to be willing to consider both, is it patriarchy or is it maybe, partially something else.

This author touches on it. There is a condescension in Hillary Clinton, while very obviously presenting arguments that have deep cognitive dissonance with the record that just offends thinking people. There are segments of our culture that are comfortable with that. Quite frankly it is how we ended up with people in power like 'Jimmy Hoffa'.

I am not saying there wasn't a time and place for those individuals, or even arguing that there was another way for those movements to happen. What I do know is that those tactics reached their culmination IMO in the Bush administration and I think they have unintended results that are decidedly toxic.

I don't think America can afford that anymore.

Obama started behind, has now been vetted within an inch of his life (while Hillary hasn't been vetted at all), by either the media or her main rival, because he refuses to campaign that way, when there were plenty of opportunities to do so.

Eventually the part of the christian right that has been concerned about the bush administrations ethics in the world might notice that Barak even knows how to show that 'turning the other cheek' is a powerful christian concept.

Danielle

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» RE: Finally rationality Posted by: ovation766
» RE: Finally rationality Posted by: dgleason
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» RE: Finally rationality Posted by: dgleason
Old Style Politics??
Posted by: ovation766 on May 10, 2008 12:58 PM   
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I find this article very misleading. To equate the Clintons with "old style politics" is somewhat ludicrous. I recall the 90's, where Bill Clinton's administration managed to reduce the deficit to 0$. Bill Clinton, although imperfect, like most human beings, managed to keep this nation's finances in order, without giving it all to China. It's no wonder the catch word of "Change" is gaining popularity. I too would like "change", but change back to the relative sanity of the 90's politics. Hillary Clinton is the strongest, and most capable candidate for president, of those running. She knows the stakes, she knows the criticality of getting things right, immediately after the current administration is thankfully taken out of power. This country doesn't have the luxury of hiring a good speaker, with admittedly good ideas, but with questionable capability of putting those ideas into action.

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THE REPUBLICANS TRY TO GET THE DEMOCRATS TO DO IT WRONG SO
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on May 10, 2008 1:13 PM   
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by default they will win. Big money creates big crookedness. Watch what happens when Obama is nominated. The money will disappear. That is because it was republican money. They want Obama. He's young. They can fake him out. They may even be able to beat him with a lesser candidate because of his blackness. The fooferraw over the Reverend Wright was a pure racial play. The right uses racism. It may win them an election.

Our young voters are not racist like the older ones. But, they tend not to turn out. The numbers favor the older voters. The older voters turn out. A lot of the time they have nothing else to do but play shuffleboard anyway. If the young don't turn out big-time Obama is going to lose.

If this president isn't given a democratic congress, he/she will be hamstrung. Bill Clinton had 6 years of republican congress. Roosevelt was blocked repeatedly by a republican supreme court. You can bet that this president will be too.

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racism, sexism, and now ageism (tsk, tsk)
Posted by: bluepilgrim on May 10, 2008 1:54 PM   
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Posted by: ovation766 on May 10, 2008 12:58 PM
"I find this article very misleading. To equate the Clintons with "old style politics" is somewhat ludicrous. I recall the 90's, where"

'Old style politics' refers to election by character assassination and dirty tricks -- which Hillary is doing. This has always been present to an extent but came into force particularly with Nixon, and after.

I see no reason to think that Hillary would be any more effective than Obama, and in fact quite a bit that she is less so, considering her inability to run a decent campaign -- or have done that much as Senator: unless you count voting for the Iraq invasion (and with all her experience she must have known about Hussein Kamel and the destruction of the WMDs in 1991) and her pro-attack-Iran stance.

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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on May 10, 2008 1:13 PM
"He's young. They can fake him out."

Not exactly young, at 46, and he is certainly not naive; he's handled himself rather well so far -- that's why he is ahead.

"Our young voters are not racist like the older ones. But, they tend not to turn out. The
numbers favor the older voters. The older voters turn out. A lot of the time they have nothing else to do but play shuffleboard anyway."

I'm old, but not racist, and neither are many others of my age. I've never played shuffleboard, and have no intentions of starting. Don't be so glib with your generalizations. Younger voters have been turning out quite well, too.

McCain is a 'shuffleboard puck' -- something like Don Rickle's 'hockey puck', but going senile. His supporters should not count their chicken before it comes home to roost -- there are tons of major problems ahead for him, but his vulnerablities haven't been highlighted yet. He and Hillary can go have a shots and beers contest and reminisce about the old days and conquest, and rot out what's left to their minds, while the country moves ahead.

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Hillary for VP—McCain's VP
Posted by: Chistoso on May 10, 2008 2:09 PM   
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Try out Jon Stewart's recent suggestion by imagining this scenario: The Republican convention comes a week after the Democratic convention. Obama will be the Democrats' presidential nominee, and Hillary won't be on the ticket. Not THAT ticket. But because Hillary can't wait eight years to run for president again—a 68-year-old female candidate for president might be even less appealing to the alleged sexists in the Democratic Party than a 60-year-old female candidate—and because she and Bill aren't really Democrats anyway, just politicians, as evidenced by the little they did for the Democratic party during Bill's eight years as president, the Clintons can court McCain with the advantages of having him select Hillary as his running mate. A McCain-Clinton ticket could gain a lot of votes from Hillary supporters who won't vote for Obama, McCain and Hillary can campaign as uniters, not dividers. And Hillary could hope for McCain to die or at least become (more?) senile before the end of his term, allowing her to move right on up to the Oval Office, and then to run for reelection. Twice.

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» Good Idea, Posted by: Left of center
But will Obama be as good a President as BUSH?
Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on May 10, 2008 3:11 PM   
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I hear a lot of gloom and doom and what terrible shape this country is in.
I hear a lot of Bush bashing but…...
Unemployment is 5%
Home loans are 5.25% apr
Home ownership is at an all time record high. Forclosers are at only 1%
The stock market is over 13000
We have had no attacks on our shores since 9/11.
When Obama is elected President and I think he will be. If obama is unable to at least meet these accomplishments then he will be an inferior leader than Bush. I mean if this country is in such horrible shape now then Obama if he is any kind of leader at all he should greatly best these watermarks.
We will see...

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» Good point Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Obama has started the lying already! Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
Enjoyed this so much, I read it twice
Posted by: westomoon on May 10, 2008 5:40 PM   
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What a treat to finally have the huge collection of elephants-in-the-living-room bluntly discussed! This piece had that Lewis Black / Matt Taibi mix of fog-cutting rage and hilarious phrasing -- a real pleasure.

I had just one major cavil with it. We should think twice (or more) before putting a career military person into high civilian office.

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» A General as Veep... Posted by: westomoon
My splitting ticket
Posted by: Iraan Ozono on May 10, 2008 9:41 PM   
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I've made my decision. This is what I tell the candidates, straight out. It allows me to ignore the whole exhausting mess for a while:

If Obama is nominated I will vote for him, the far lesser evil. I will [try to] educate the voters about/against McCain, but I will not lend direct support to Obama.

If Clinton is nominated I will not vote for president, will not do anything, but may leave the country if the winner is McCain.

If it's an Obama/Clinton (or Clinton/Obama) ticket, the same.

Ahhh... My mind is at ease, I can tune it all out 'til after the conventions, maybe even longer.

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Not forgetting the 3rders
Posted by: Iraan Ozono on May 10, 2008 9:55 PM   
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Oh, but if Clinton or Obama/Clinton I may vote for an inspiring outsider like I did in 2000, while in a "given" Gore state. Spit in their eye, redux.

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The Dream Tiocket That Was
Posted by: rww on May 11, 2008 12:38 PM   
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It could have been a dream ticket at the start of the primaries if the two candidates had run positive campaigns, but it is hardly so after they went to war with each other, both harming their own party's other potential presidential candidates reputation.

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Here Is What Tom Hayden Wrote About Hillary
Posted by: desidid on May 11, 2008 6:24 PM   
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Most significantly in terms of her recent attacks on Barack, after Yale law school, Hillary went to work for the left-wing Bay Area law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, which specialized in Black Panthers and West Coast labor leaders prosecuted for being communists. Two of the firm's partners, according to Treuhaft, were communists and the two others "tolerated communists". Then she went on to Washington to help impeach Richard Nixon, whose career was built on smearing and destroying the careers of people through vague insinuations about their backgrounds and associates. (All these citations can be found in Carl Bernstein's sympathetic 2007 Clinton biography, A Woman in Charge.)
The Nation

I'm sure Obama's campaign was aware of this story before the Indiana primary, but they didn't use it. The McCain campaign will use it and it will work in 2 ways. One) To show Clinton's hypocrisy. Two) To show how much like Obama she is, except she actually worked for radical and communist groups, unlike Obama who is acquainted with Ayers. How they deal with her membership in "The Family" is something different. By exposing her, they would also be exposing some would-be supporters. Another article I found interesting is from last year when you read it you will see how her policy positions have changed with her position in the race.

Then there is Hillary Clinton on the issues. Cato Institute President Ed Crane recently wrote a piece for the Financial Times pointing out that when you strip away the partisan coating, Mrs. Clinton's grandiose, big-government vision is really no different than that envisioned by the neoconservatives so loathed by the left. Clinton, remember, not only voted for the Iraq war, she still hasn't conceded she was wrong to do so, and has made no promise to end it any time soon.

In fact, the L.A. Times reported last week that Clinton has refused to commit even to pulling U.S. troops from Iraq by 2013, which, if elected, would be the end of her first term. TV journalist Ted Koppel recently told NPR that Clinton has admitted the U.S. would still have troops in Iraq at the end of her second term.

Reason Magazine

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Jack
Posted by: Jackdemocracy08 on May 12, 2008 4:33 AM   
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Clinton takes Indiana by a ‘razor’ and Obama wins North Carolina by a huge margin. Nevertheless, Kentucky, Montana and West Virginia are still to come.

The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates

If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

Obama Supporters:

Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...

Clinton Supporters too …. !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...

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Sean
Posted by: Jackdemocracy08 on May 12, 2008 4:35 AM   
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Clinton takes Indiana by a razor and Obama wins North Carolina by a huge margin. Nevertheless, Kentucky, Montana and West Virginia are still to come.

The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive and most likely to be decided by superdelegates If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

If youre tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

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Sean
Posted by: Jackdemocracy08 on May 12, 2008 4:35 AM   
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Clinton takes Indiana by a razor and Obama wins North Carolina by a huge margin. Nevertheless, Kentucky, Montana and West Virginia are still to come.

The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive and most likely to be decided by superdelegates If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

If youre tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

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"Keating, Five, hut-hut-hut"
Posted by: e_l_jackson_malo on May 12, 2008 7:45 PM   
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As editor, publisher and the guy who sweeps the floor at The Panama News, last December I made my primary endorsement for Bill Richardson, who of course got nowhere. (My first choices for presidential nominations never have.) By the time it came for Democrats Abroad to vote it was a two-candidate race and like most other Democrats Abroad in Panama and worldwide, I went with Obama. In November I'd vote for a mangy yellow dog if it got the Democratic nomination because that's how badly we need to get rid of the GOP in Washington at this point, but it seems that we have someone substantially better than your Central Casting McCandidate this time.

But now, who should be number two?

I agree that it shouldn't be Hillary, or anyone else with a 54-point negative rating.

I like the suggestions proffered here. I covered Wesley Clark when he was in Panama at the head of the Southern Command and he struck me as a competent administrator and leader and a man of integrity. I always thought that Richardson was the best of this year's Democratic lot. My inclination for presidents is toward those with proven executive ability, as the presidency is an administrative rather than a legislative post, beyond the political leadership role.

Let me suggest another vetted public administrator who might be good on the ticket: the governor of John McCain's state, Janet Napolitano.

One advantage would be that she could say that as an Arizonan she knows all about McCain and is suitably unimpressed.

The "free" attack ad that runs through my mind is to have a Democratic picnic with the press there, and a women's touch football game with Janet Napolitano taking a turn at QB, calling out the signals: "Keating! Five! hut-hut-hut!"

I suppose that it would be the sort of campaigning Obama doesn't want, but it would be a classic.

And Napolitano would make a good addition to an already strong short list of VP possibilities.

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Nothing Like Knowing What You're Talking About
Posted by: ChipsMaster on May 12, 2008 10:49 PM   
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Your dream is over the second he becomes your nominee;


Barack Hussein Obama
http://bhobama.blogspot.com/

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Split Demo. (3/11/08)
Posted by: kathaksung on May 13, 2008 3:05 PM   
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The tactic of Feds to justify another rigged election is to split Demo. This article is one of these effort. To split Demo and help GOP.

Split Demo. (3/11/08)

When Obama carried a flag of victory by taking the primary in 10 states, Hillary Clinton's fate seemed to be decided. Yet, she recovered by winning the Ohio and Texas. I think it is the result of a rigged election. The voting machine and election office are controlled by Feds. They let out the result of the votes counting. To split the Demo is their tactic. So they help Hillary to keep on rival against Obama.

A split Demo will help Republican in final election.

Hillary and Obama have to spend their campaign fund in an internal competition. Either one wins out finally, the fund would have been exhausted already. At that time, the candidate of the Demo will face to a well prepared GOP candidate.

We can also see media, or some aids of the two camps try to provoke a conflict between Obama and Clinton by negative propaganda. They try to develop a big conflict to split the Demo. At that time the big benificiary will be GOP.
So Feds will go on manipulating the Demo primary to make it a close campaign till the very end .

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HILARIOUS!!!!!!!
Posted by: lmbfreespirit on May 13, 2008 5:10 PM   
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I said this to several peeps about a month ago!!!!!!!!! Who's a goober now?!!!!!

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Sexist
Posted by: BeatleBug on May 15, 2008 12:05 PM   
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This article, along with 99% of all others about Hilary, is incredibly sexist. I would have hoped an "alternative" news site like Alteranet would have risen above this, but I guess not. It's unfortunate how much sexist garbage is written about her.

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» What an instructive comment Posted by: westomoon