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Election 2008

Battle of the Hawks

By Robert Scheer, Truthdig. Posted May 7, 2008.


Both McCain and Clinton have shown a dangerously cavalier attitude towards the option of a nuclear strike against Iran.
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In the increasingly unlikely event of a McCain-Clinton election, folks who care about the peace issue would have serious reason to worry. Both of these candidates are inveterate hawks, and what we would be up against is a choice between the neoconservatives and the neoliberals as to who could be more adventurous in getting us into unjustifiable foreign wars.

Both not only voted to authorize President Bush's irrational invasion of Iraq but also have failed to apply those lessons to the real challenges we face, particularly concerning Iran. On the one hand, we have Sen. John McCain's wildly inane "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" singing refrain, and on the other, Sen. Hillary Clinton's commitment to "totally obliterate" Iran in response to any nuclear attack by Tehran on Israel.

Clinton has stood by her implicitly genocidal threat against the 70 million innocent Iranians, who have no effective control over their government's policy, a threat made in response to a question raised in the heat of primary day in Pennsylvania. She later extended the threat to include retaliation on behalf of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Arab countries if they were attacked by Iran.

Her statement extending the U.S. "nuclear umbrella" far beyond the threat to retaliate against a Soviet nuclear attack during the Cold War was greeted with a yawn by the media, which interpreted it as an election-day ploy to appear tough and pro-Israel. The Washington Post referred to "Clinton's apparent effort to distinguish herself from her rival for the Democratic nomination ... by offering a more hawkish approach to world affairs." That rival, Barack Obama, has called for negotiations with Iran's leaders and condemned Clinton's proposal as saber rattling.

But the Washington Post story provided evidence that Hillary's hawkishness is not merely a campaign posture, as evidenced by her two key foreign policy advisers, who the Post reports helped come up with the "obliterate Iran" idea. One of them is Martin S. Indyk, the former Clinton administration ambassador to Israel, who was as strong as any of the neoconservatives in advocating the invasion of Iraq. In an article he co-wrote with Kenneth M. Pollack for the Los Angeles Times three months before the Iraq invasion, which cited their insider status as former government officials who "had access to the most sensitive U.S. intelligence on Iraq," the two claimed that Iraq had "thousands of tons of precursor chemicals for chemical warfare agents, thousands of liters of biological warfare agents. ..." That "insider" information was false.

The Clinton campaign's national security director, Lee Feinstein, is another leading Democratic hawk and Clinton administration alum who promoted the threat to obliterate Iran. Feinstein, like Indyk, had strongly disparaged the work of the U.N. inspectors before the invasion. And even a month after the U.S. occupation began, as U.S. troops scoured all of the suggested weapons locations, Feinstein argued, "I believe they will find weapons of mass destruction."

The dark irony here is that the unjustifiable invasion of Iraq has elevated Iran to a position of enormous power over events in the region, beginning with its influence over the puppet government in Iraq's Green Zone, many of whose key members, including the prime minister, spent many years in exile in Tehran, where they were trained. The ability of Iran to make life miserable for the American occupation is the main counterweight to a tougher stance on Iran's nuclear program, and that is the direct consequence of a war for which Clinton and McCain both voted.

Clinton seems to be far more hawkish than her husband, and her increasingly bellicose remarks support that perception. If she is chosen as the Democratic Party's standard-bearer, she can be expected to tack further in that direction, once the primaries are over and the peace vote has been counted out.

I do not think this a matter of a female candidate having to prove that she is capable of being a macho commander in chief, although there is a whiff of Margaret Thatcher here, so proud of taking her nation to unneeded war. With Clinton, as with Thatcher, quite apart from gender, there seems to be a more basic philosophical commitment to using military force before other options have been seriously explored.

That the force cited by Clinton portends the "total obliteration" of another people raises the prospect of the United States, the only nation that has ever used nuclear weapons, doing so again. It suggests that such weapons of mass destruction are not heinous inventions but rather instruments of rational policy when in the hands of the virtuous. That is a message that we dare not deliver to the world.

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Robert Scheer is the co-author of The Five Biggest Lies Bush Told Us About Iraq. See more of Robert Scheer at TruthDig.

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It is statements like these that make the United States both hated and feared
Posted by: foreverhope on May 7, 2008 4:23 PM   
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Hillary owes the people of Iran an apology. It is a horrible thing to speculate on. Obliterating an entire people and country. As casually as that, not even nominated, and threats of World War III. For any president or candidate to say it is unforgiveable, another unforgiveable thing never to forget about Hellary. She is ruthless in her relentless obsession of obtaining power, crazed now, the power was just beyond her reach only a few weeks ago. This is yet another ploy, she cares not what she says or what she does, or who she says it or does it to, or what comes of it so long as it wins a few votes. So demented, even cruel, it is further evidence she is unraveling as the power she thought was already her's slips through her grasping fingers. I hope the Iranian people understand (although I don't know how they can) that neither GWB/CHENEY nor Hellary speak for or represent the attitudes or opinions of most Americans nor the true best interests of the world or even the USA.

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The Audacity of a Question
Posted by: BiBiJon on May 7, 2008 6:30 PM   
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Sorry to disagree. But Hillary's "obliterate" is nothing compared to the harm done by the reporters who pose such hypothetical questions and in the process peddle the most poisonous innuendoes.

Regardless of how Hillary answered the question, the questioner painted a surviving 3000 year old civilization as maniacal & suicidal.

Iran is frequently portrayed as a backward and fanatically fundamentalist tyrannical outpost. As a result of constant repetition, most of us believe that we have a fairly accurate image of Iran. But, do we really?

For a reality check, see Iran Imgage

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» RE: The Audacity of a Question Posted by: foreverhope
The Iran War is a Go..don't kid yourself..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 7, 2008 8:30 PM   
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When we attack Iran in our plans are the use of RNED's underground penetrating and then detonating nuclear weapons these are effective to around 500 feet but will not knock out for sure those installations already targeted that are hardened 1,000 feet deep..!

This is why the military wanted to build a
1 Megaton Nuclear RNED which Senator Levin was greatly opposed to and rallied some others for this purpose as well..

1 Megaton is 1 Million Tons of TNT or the equivalent...

This is why we dug that hole and placed the equivalent of 1 million tons of explosives in it as a demonstration to Iran but then it was canceled..remember..?

The Iranian War and attack is on it's a done deal get ready for it..!

Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats refusing to Impeach has doomed millions if not billions of lives around the world in the coming wars this will initiate..!

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Further proof
Posted by: kentigereyes@yahoo.com on May 8, 2008 6:03 AM   
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of the very deep doo that the United States of Arrogance finds itself wallowing in. I'm not a fan of bo, but hrc and that way-too-old warmonger should not be allowed in the White House. Please, my fellow electorate, do not repeat your stupidity of the last two elections. The despicably evil "w"/DICKY regime has done enough damage for many years to come. TFL, Ken

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Israel shadow over American Electorate
Posted by: warble on May 8, 2008 7:07 AM   
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I was wondering if Hillary Clinton would have made a similar utterance about obliterating Israel if she decided to attack Syria or Lebanon or our Friends in the Navy like those who suffered the Liberty attack? Or maybe she would have have made a hawkish remark when Pollard gave away the store or Israel tries to commit genocide against the Palestinian People? It seems like it is ok to spy on America, bomb american naval vessels, drop bombs on Nuclear sites in Iraq and Syria, commit genocide, but it is not ok to look crosseyed at Israel? If we would not come to the aid of a 100 other countries, why does such a woman and Obama also need to publically declare that Israel has our support. No other country has? Is it because Martin Indyk and AIPAC call the shots in America and in the American Press?

It is interesting that The Rev Wright could make a controversial statement 10 years ago and that this same press would bother us with this nonsense for the next 10 weeks but could not find a day to discuss Hillary who supports a nation that killed americans and spied on us. Rev. Wright was a victim of America but he never bombed the Liberty. And yet, the press asks us to distance ourselves from him and Obama for his remarks? So, why does Obama and Hillary want us to support someone like Israel who actually did do bad things to America? At the very least, Hillary support, in view of the crimes Israel commit against the US, could have the press-coverage that they showered on Obama's for his support of Wright? By comparison, Israel was far more deadly than that silly minister whose comments were exposed to the full press?

How is it that Israel has our full support after all she has done. Why do Clinton and Obama give her their full support weather we the people like it or not. Supporting Israel is like supporting Nazi Germany? If I err, please explain? Finally, what was wrong with what Rev Wright said and why didn't HIllary and her compatriots come to his support when the black man was treated like a dog as is the Palestinian? Why is it that both these candidates support Israel's apartheid regime of intolerance, murder, and war crimes? Why isn't she livid about the behavior of Israel toward the Palestinian people? Why does it take a Jimmy Carter to highlight the truth?

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Only ones with balls...
Posted by: the baron on May 8, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Iran is the only country on this planet to talk straight and call our government on the bullshit it tries to pull. Let only makes clear what our ties to Israel are really about a toe hold in the middle east, and the only country that is not pissed off at us. A friend bought is no friend at all.

We are the only country on this planet that recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Both Israel and the U.S Are currently violating U.N. International law by declaring Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Which the U.N. stated unanimously with one abstention (U.S.)the "Israel's claim on Jerusalem as a capital is declared null and void." It was intended as a capital as a dual religious state controlled (the capital, not the country) by the U.N. to ensure stability in the middle east.

This has never had anything to do with anti-semitic ideas. This deals with western interference. The U.N. was negotiating with the entire Middle East to create a "Jewish State" after WWII, The "Jewish Congress " as it was known drafted a proposal which the Arabs Nations did not want to accept as it was written but were willing to discuss amendments.

Never happened. The proposal was ratified with out any consent from a single Arab Nation. Then Israel extended it's borders. And we who do not live there who live free and from the harm of being bombed have the audacity to tell the people who were invaded (because what else do you call one's countries extended borders onto another?)to accept it.

I am friends with Israeli Jews who live here because they are as disgusted with their government's handling of the situation as we are with Bush's handling of our own country.

The situation is never simple and has more convoluted knots in it then a tangled headphone wire.

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O-BOMB-A, The 21st Century Woodrow Wilson!!!
Posted by: perkywa on May 8, 2008 10:40 AM   
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O-BOMB-A is NO BETTER. In fact the electorate is being scammed into picking the "candidate" whom the Elitist Globalist Cabal wants in the White House. Obama has said repeatedly that "all options are on the table" (meaning NUKES) when it comes to Iran. Obama is also the only "candidate" who has promised to invade Pakistan if he has "actionable intelligence" (Orewllian double speak for if the CIA says so).

Before voting for O-BOMB-A you need to stock up on food and build a bomb shelter since this "agent of change" is truly the 21st century Woodrow Wilson (who brought us WWI, the "Federal" Reserve and the Income Tax).

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Nuclear arms
Posted by: willymack on May 8, 2008 12:06 PM   
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Is a subject of endless debate. There are those who would use nuclear devices against a harmless nation such as Iran to prevent them from developing-what else?-nuclear weapons. How many people want to bet that the Iranians are so stupid that they think they could nuke Israel and not be completely destroyed themselves? Here's another question. If nuclear missiles are detected headed this way from wherever, and you had control of our military response, would you give the order to retaliate in kind, thus condemning who knows how many innocent lives to a gruesome death, knowing full well that the perpetrators were well out of harm's way? I know I wouldn't. Two evils don't make anything right, but this is my opinion, and I'm sure there are many who would disagree with it. We made a beginning, some years ago, of completely eliminating our nuclear arsenal, and with the full cooperation of the Russians. Only psychopaths like the bushies would want to undo something like that, which is what they did. Anyone delusional enough to vote for mcnut this fall should keep this in mind. Maybe a President Obama could get the ball rolling again on this issue and begin a real friendship with the Russians as well. I can always hope.

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