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McCain's Preacher Pal Calls Catholic Church the 'Great Whore' -- Where's the Outrage?
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Bored by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for “John Hagee Roman Church Hitler,” and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
What you’ll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is “the Great Whore,” Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking “the blood of the Jewish people.” That’s because the Great Whore represents “the Roman Church,” which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.
Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious conservatives’ favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.
Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything then about Mr. Hagee’s views? This particular YouTube video far from the only one was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.
Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it’s true, did not blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly a scheduled “homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came.”
Mr. Hagee didn’t make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He broadcast it on one of America’s most widely heard radio programs, “Fresh Air” on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as “nonsense” and the preacher retract it.
Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee’s calumnies, any more than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright’s. But those who try to give Mr. McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case. It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at Mr. Hagee’s church.
That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient of this bigot’s endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive “holy war” with Iran. (This preacher’s rantings may tell us more about Mr. McCain’s policy views than Mr. Wright’s tell us about Mr. Obama’s.) Even after Mr. Hagee’s Catholic bashing bubbled up in the mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any “anti-anything” remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still “glad to have his endorsement.”
I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full “Great Whore” glory. But Mr. McCain didn’t have to fear so rude a transgression. Mr. Hagee’s videos have never had the same circulation on television as Mr. Wright’s. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just doesn’t have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.
Perhaps that’s why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant prototype for Mr. Wright’s fiery claim that 9/11 was America’s chickens “coming home to roost.” That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks on America’s abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr. Wright blamed the attacks on America’s foreign policy.) Had that video re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have been asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers “agents of intolerance” and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his Liberty University in 2006.
None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright right. It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama’s long relationship with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is also fair to weigh Mr. Obama’s judgment in handling this personal and political crisis as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that verdict, it is disingenuous to pretend that there isn’t a double standard operating here. If we’re to judge black candidates on their most controversial associates and how quickly, sternly and completely they disown them we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.
When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson’s greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, “The New World Order,” which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy theories about “European bankers” (who just happened to be named Warburg, Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr. Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much as Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas’ wedding, so this priest officiated at (one of) Mr. Giuliani’s. Did you even hear about it?
There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal, even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.
A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political culture, this de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway company. Those who dare are instantly accused of “political correctness” or “reverse racism.”
An all-white Congressional delegation doesn’t happen by accident. It’s the legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his party’s South Carolina primary of 2000.
This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting) campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North Carolina’s Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that state’s current primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with black people in his tour of “forgotten” America. Speaking of Katrina in New Orleans, he promised that “never again” would a federal recovery effort be botched on so grand a scale.
This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney’s dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up to a point. Here, too, there’s a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama’s, Mr. McCain’s New Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics of distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.
Mr. McCain took his party’s stingier line on Katrina aid and twice opposed an independent commission to investigate the failed government response. Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he called for “a conversation” about whether anyone should “rebuild it, tear it down, you know, whatever it is.” Whatever, whenever, never mind.
For all this primary season’s obsession with the single (and declining) demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The Census Bureau announced last week that half the country’s population growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably alienated from the G.O.P.
Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there’s any coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane Jeremiah, it’s that this nation’s perennially promised candid conversation on race has yet to begin.
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Posted by: Rune on May 5, 2008 12:12 AM
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Now, how is more bickering about what silly thing some preacher said going to do any of us any good? Enough with the stupid sideshows and distractions already!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 5, 2008 4:24 AM
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Actually, I'll come clean: Haggee's word's didn't offend me much. Why? Because it it's all you can expect to come out of the mouths of people like that. Come to think of it, on the rare occasion that one of these assholes manages to let lose with a relatively intelligent comment, I tend to feel a bit let down. I like my right wingers dumb as dog shit, whether they be in the pulpit or behind a radio microphine.
Back in 2000. I literally had to pull over to the side of the road while I listened, jaw agape, while one of these brainless twits criticized the current Chicago Mayor, Richard Daley, for the actions of his police force during the Democratic Convention riots of 1968! This knucklehead didn't have the sense to realize that the Mayor Daley of 1968 was long dead - having died over two decades before - and that the present Mayor Daley was his son, Richard Jr! That's the beautiful thing about the Right: They're SOOOO stupid! I'm sure gonna miss them when they go.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Tomorrow Never Knows
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» RE: "Great Whore"???
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» RE: "Great Whore"???
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» RE: "Great Whore"???
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» RE: Haggee's word's didn't offend me much.
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» Miss them when they go
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» Wouldn't a "Great Whore" charge less than the Catholic Church?
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Posted by: Jasonix on May 5, 2008 5:36 AM
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In America, most Catholics are "cultural Catholics" who observe their religion mainly as a way to stay connected with their ethnic communities rather than as a serious spiritual path. But nonetheless, in the northeast where Catholics are strong the Church was able to protect pedophiles from the law, and the laity merely accepted this state of affairs, afraid to challenge those with "apostolic succession" lest they be sent be Hell. Even in this century, the Massachusetts authorities - even when led by Mormon Mitt Romney! - allowed a cardinal who ran a generation-long pedophile ring to escape American jurisdiction by fleeing to Rome, where the Pope gave him a sinecure job to keep his mouth shut about what the Church was doing to children. In the wake of the scandals, American bishops produced an absurd report that said that sexual abuse occurred only among ".02%" of priests - when in my town alone, a parish suffered with a pedophile priest for a decade, only to have him replaced with another pedophile priest!
The Catholic Church opposes birth control, and its teachings on sexuality go far beyond the strictures associated with even the most reactionary strains of Protestantism. A married Catholic couple commits sin when the man orgasms outside of his wife's vagina.
The argument in favor of the Catholic Church is that the bulwark of authority prevents the sectarianism and theological diversity we find among non-Catholic Christians. But is this a good thing? It is very, very rare to find a lay Catholic who has even a fraction of the Biblical knowledge or personal interest in spirituality you find in the average evangelical Protestant. The theological diversity that flourishes among non-authoritarian religions is a good, not an ill, allowing people to follow their consciences and find their own spiritual path. In my experience, most Catholics limit their personal spiritual development to scarfing a magic cookie a few times a year - exactly what one would expect in a religion with "priests."
The authority of the Church is no guard against extremism, either - the standard Church doctrine is to the right of fundamentalist Protestantism in every area except Evolution - and that's just because the Church got pasted when it tried to crush Galileo. Groups within the Church, like Opus Dei, are as bad as high-control groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses or the International Church of Christ. Perhaps even worse, since Jehovah's Witnesses don't require physical self-mortification to the best of my knowledge.
Despite all this, it is impossible to criticize the Catholic Church without instantly being labeled a "bigot," the purveyor of some prejudice that supposedly stands beside Antisemitism and racism in barbarity. The predictable and, historically speaking, relatively minor troubles that Catholic immigrants had integrating with America in the early 1900s is depicted as being some kind of Holocaust.
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Posted by: calm on May 5, 2008 6:00 AM
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By Robert Parry
May 02, 2008
http://consortiumnews.com/2008/050108.html
Bad Moon Rising:
How Rev. Moon Created the Washington Times, Seduced the Religious Right and Built an American Kingom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon
http://tinyurl.com/5ucg8p
(Flash Video)
http://www.gorenfeld.net/book/cinema
Sun Myung Moon: Emperor Of The Universe
A profile of the self-proclaimed Messiah Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church whose followers are known as the Moonies. His critics depict him as a megalomaniac fraud and his supporters, including George Bush Sr and Edward Heath, see him as a hero
http://tinyurl.com/3q3vb6
http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com
(Google Video)
http://tinyurl.com/5ymamk
Pennsylvania Governor Rendell (A Hillary Clinton Supporter) Praises Farrakhan and Nation Of Islam (N.O.I.)
This is the transcript of former Mayor, Ed Rendell, who is Governor of Pennsylvania and the states most influential supporter of Presidential hopeful, Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking to a packed audience at Tindley Temple United Methodist Church on April 14, 1997 at rally: "A Solution Too Heal The Racial Divide." The then mayor was the principal organizer of the rally that brought together diverse religious, political, and civic Philadelphia leaders, with Nation of Islam leader, the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan as the keynote speaker.
April 14, 1997
http://tinyurl.com/3u6tln
(YouTube Video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA
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Posted by: solrev on May 5, 2008 6:29 AM
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Posted by: Casey Burns on May 5, 2008 7:21 AM
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Just think - this man could be McCain's Secretary of State!
Enough said. I am off to read the new book "Evolution and Creationism: All Paleontologists are Sinners, obviously" after my morning prayers and rifle range practice. Later, I will load all of my 9 kids and three young wives into the Ford Escalade and head to Sam's Club so we can get purchase 13 bags of rice. Thank the Lord for CitiBank Credit Cards!
Go America!
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Posted by: sirios on May 5, 2008 7:21 AM
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Posted by: jebpgh on May 5, 2008 7:31 AM
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As science and technology advance, reactionary religion returns with a vengeance. There is a lesson here somewhere but I can't focus on it while this dead elephant is in the room.
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Posted by: The Big Raven on May 5, 2008 7:39 AM
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Posted by: peacekeepertwo on May 5, 2008 8:02 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 5, 2008 9:11 AM
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What is OUR concern is The Politicians who Folloe ,support and have the ABILITY to carry out his 'Armegaddon' Agenda!
This is Not a 'Drink the Koolaid' Cult this is a Start the 'Holy War' by Pre-emptively Striking Iran -Specifically.
This is a matter for the citizen sof this Country to be aware of - not jsut because MAC sought his endorsement, But Hillary gave him a Nod & wink when she Proclaimed she'd Obliterate Iran ' with Nukes!Liebermann who Praised him- disregarding the FACT Hagee states the Jews must denounce their religion an dCovert to Christianity if they are to be 'Raptured'. His no Friend to the Jewish People He want to USE THEM for his own purpose to fulfill the 'Prophecyy' of End of Days. Foolish me I thought Lieberamnn was just a spineless Corproationist willing to be a Traitor to the Dem Party- he's willing to be a traitor to his own Faith and it's followers!
Seeing what W. has already accomplished to start the ball rolling and the Admins push to attack Iran - Hagees initial step towards WW3 We Must Prosecute anyone affliated with this Cult For Treason ,War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.this is far more criminal then merely the corporationist attempts to enslave mankind for Profits- this is th ePhilosophy behind It to destroy it.
NOW I AM TERRIFIED- they have the Ways & Means to do this!!
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Posted by: Bab5nutz on May 5, 2008 9:49 AM
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Posted by: Philip Newton on May 5, 2008 9:59 AM
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Finally the GOP/wacko preacher nexus is becoming publicized.
Now, maybe, we can get back to real issues.
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Posted by: willymack on May 5, 2008 10:34 AM
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Posted by: dockboy on May 5, 2008 11:39 AM
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That being said, I do have friends who are Catholics, and I have a have a high regard for them. I do NOT hold them accountable for these sicko priests, and this post is not an insult to them or the church.
However, Frank Rich, you're an idiot. You're trying compare the two, and have no basis for it. You're just bitter, clinging to your own version of God and guns.
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Posted by: e rice on May 5, 2008 12:26 PM
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so much for any knowledge of english and american religious history.
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Posted by: Last Chance on May 5, 2008 1:42 PM
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 5, 2008 6:26 PM
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hagee is a dangerous nut job
wright is right (as in correct, not neo-con)
i do have a question though...if hagee's church is a 501(c) 3 not for profit organization then he CANNOT support a(ny) particular candidate - so why hasn't his non-profit status been revoked? i suppose the same is true of the rev. wright as well...
make 'em pay their taxes !!
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Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on May 6, 2008 4:16 AM
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What we have here is basically hookers fighting over turf.
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Posted by: Rune on May 5, 2008 12:12 AM
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Now, how is more bickering about what silly thing some preacher said going to do any of us any good? Enough with the stupid sideshows and distractions already!
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» Yes, these distractions are part of a corporate fascist agenda embraced by the GOP . . .
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» Are these really political distractions, part of a corporate fascist plot ... or just money?
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» RE: Yes, these distractions are part of a corporate fascist agenda embraced by the GOP . . .
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 5, 2008 4:24 AM
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Actually, I'll come clean: Haggee's word's didn't offend me much. Why? Because it it's all you can expect to come out of the mouths of people like that. Come to think of it, on the rare occasion that one of these assholes manages to let lose with a relatively intelligent comment, I tend to feel a bit let down. I like my right wingers dumb as dog shit, whether they be in the pulpit or behind a radio microphine.
Back in 2000. I literally had to pull over to the side of the road while I listened, jaw agape, while one of these brainless twits criticized the current Chicago Mayor, Richard Daley, for the actions of his police force during the Democratic Convention riots of 1968! This knucklehead didn't have the sense to realize that the Mayor Daley of 1968 was long dead - having died over two decades before - and that the present Mayor Daley was his son, Richard Jr! That's the beautiful thing about the Right: They're SOOOO stupid! I'm sure gonna miss them when they go.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Tomorrow Never Knows
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» RE: "Great Whore"???
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» RE: "Great Whore"???
Posted by: mazel
» RE: "Great Whore"???
Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Haggee's word's didn't offend me much.
Posted by: Lauren
» Miss them when they go
Posted by: Marlena
» Wouldn't a "Great Whore" charge less than the Catholic Church?
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Posted by: Jasonix on May 5, 2008 5:36 AM
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In America, most Catholics are "cultural Catholics" who observe their religion mainly as a way to stay connected with their ethnic communities rather than as a serious spiritual path. But nonetheless, in the northeast where Catholics are strong the Church was able to protect pedophiles from the law, and the laity merely accepted this state of affairs, afraid to challenge those with "apostolic succession" lest they be sent be Hell. Even in this century, the Massachusetts authorities - even when led by Mormon Mitt Romney! - allowed a cardinal who ran a generation-long pedophile ring to escape American jurisdiction by fleeing to Rome, where the Pope gave him a sinecure job to keep his mouth shut about what the Church was doing to children. In the wake of the scandals, American bishops produced an absurd report that said that sexual abuse occurred only among ".02%" of priests - when in my town alone, a parish suffered with a pedophile priest for a decade, only to have him replaced with another pedophile priest!
The Catholic Church opposes birth control, and its teachings on sexuality go far beyond the strictures associated with even the most reactionary strains of Protestantism. A married Catholic couple commits sin when the man orgasms outside of his wife's vagina.
The argument in favor of the Catholic Church is that the bulwark of authority prevents the sectarianism and theological diversity we find among non-Catholic Christians. But is this a good thing? It is very, very rare to find a lay Catholic who has even a fraction of the Biblical knowledge or personal interest in spirituality you find in the average evangelical Protestant. The theological diversity that flourishes among non-authoritarian religions is a good, not an ill, allowing people to follow their consciences and find their own spiritual path. In my experience, most Catholics limit their personal spiritual development to scarfing a magic cookie a few times a year - exactly what one would expect in a religion with "priests."
The authority of the Church is no guard against extremism, either - the standard Church doctrine is to the right of fundamentalist Protestantism in every area except Evolution - and that's just because the Church got pasted when it tried to crush Galileo. Groups within the Church, like Opus Dei, are as bad as high-control groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses or the International Church of Christ. Perhaps even worse, since Jehovah's Witnesses don't require physical self-mortification to the best of my knowledge.
Despite all this, it is impossible to criticize the Catholic Church without instantly being labeled a "bigot," the purveyor of some prejudice that supposedly stands beside Antisemitism and racism in barbarity. The predictable and, historically speaking, relatively minor troubles that Catholic immigrants had integrating with America in the early 1900s is depicted as being some kind of Holocaust.
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» RE: Why no call for Catholics to leave church over child sexual abuse?
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» RE: citation please
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Posted by: calm on May 5, 2008 6:00 AM
Current rating: 3 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
By Robert Parry
May 02, 2008
http://consortiumnews.com/2008/050108.html
Bad Moon Rising:
How Rev. Moon Created the Washington Times, Seduced the Religious Right and Built an American Kingom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon
http://tinyurl.com/5ucg8p
(Flash Video)
http://www.gorenfeld.net/book/cinema
Sun Myung Moon: Emperor Of The Universe
A profile of the self-proclaimed Messiah Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church whose followers are known as the Moonies. His critics depict him as a megalomaniac fraud and his supporters, including George Bush Sr and Edward Heath, see him as a hero
http://tinyurl.com/3q3vb6
http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com
(Google Video)
http://tinyurl.com/5ymamk
Pennsylvania Governor Rendell (A Hillary Clinton Supporter) Praises Farrakhan and Nation Of Islam (N.O.I.)
This is the transcript of former Mayor, Ed Rendell, who is Governor of Pennsylvania and the states most influential supporter of Presidential hopeful, Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking to a packed audience at Tindley Temple United Methodist Church on April 14, 1997 at rally: "A Solution Too Heal The Racial Divide." The then mayor was the principal organizer of the rally that brought together diverse religious, political, and civic Philadelphia leaders, with Nation of Islam leader, the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan as the keynote speaker.
April 14, 1997
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(YouTube Video)
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Posted by: Casey Burns on May 5, 2008 7:21 AM
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Just think - this man could be McCain's Secretary of State!
Enough said. I am off to read the new book "Evolution and Creationism: All Paleontologists are Sinners, obviously" after my morning prayers and rifle range practice. Later, I will load all of my 9 kids and three young wives into the Ford Escalade and head to Sam's Club so we can get purchase 13 bags of rice. Thank the Lord for CitiBank Credit Cards!
Go America!
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Posted by: jebpgh on May 5, 2008 7:31 AM
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As science and technology advance, reactionary religion returns with a vengeance. There is a lesson here somewhere but I can't focus on it while this dead elephant is in the room.
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What is OUR concern is The Politicians who Folloe ,support and have the ABILITY to carry out his 'Armegaddon' Agenda!
This is Not a 'Drink the Koolaid' Cult this is a Start the 'Holy War' by Pre-emptively Striking Iran -Specifically.
This is a matter for the citizen sof this Country to be aware of - not jsut because MAC sought his endorsement, But Hillary gave him a Nod & wink when she Proclaimed she'd Obliterate Iran ' with Nukes!Liebermann who Praised him- disregarding the FACT Hagee states the Jews must denounce their religion an dCovert to Christianity if they are to be 'Raptured'. His no Friend to the Jewish People He want to USE THEM for his own purpose to fulfill the 'Prophecyy' of End of Days. Foolish me I thought Lieberamnn was just a spineless Corproationist willing to be a Traitor to the Dem Party- he's willing to be a traitor to his own Faith and it's followers!
Seeing what W. has already accomplished to start the ball rolling and the Admins push to attack Iran - Hagees initial step towards WW3 We Must Prosecute anyone affliated with this Cult For Treason ,War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.this is far more criminal then merely the corporationist attempts to enslave mankind for Profits- this is th ePhilosophy behind It to destroy it.
NOW I AM TERRIFIED- they have the Ways & Means to do this!!
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Finally the GOP/wacko preacher nexus is becoming publicized.
Now, maybe, we can get back to real issues.
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That being said, I do have friends who are Catholics, and I have a have a high regard for them. I do NOT hold them accountable for these sicko priests, and this post is not an insult to them or the church.
However, Frank Rich, you're an idiot. You're trying compare the two, and have no basis for it. You're just bitter, clinging to your own version of God and guns.
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Posted by: e rice on May 5, 2008 12:26 PM
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so much for any knowledge of english and american religious history.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 5, 2008 6:26 PM
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hagee is a dangerous nut job
wright is right (as in correct, not neo-con)
i do have a question though...if hagee's church is a 501(c) 3 not for profit organization then he CANNOT support a(ny) particular candidate - so why hasn't his non-profit status been revoked? i suppose the same is true of the rev. wright as well...
make 'em pay their taxes !!
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What we have here is basically hookers fighting over turf.
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