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Was It Really What Jeremiah Wright Said, Or Was It Because He's Black?
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"Everyone," he said. "Everyone sees what's happening through the lens of their own experience."
That's how people see Jeremiah Wright.
In my conversation with him and in his dramatic public appearances since, he revealed himself to be far more complex than the sound bites that propelled him onto the public stage.
More than 2,000 people have written me about him, and their opinions vary widely. Some sting: "Jeremiah Wright is nothing more than a race-hustling, American-hating radical," one of my viewers wrote. Another called him a "nut case."
Many more were sympathetic to him. Many asked for some rational explanation for Wright's transition from reasonable conversation to the shocking anger they saw at the National Press Club.
A psychologist might pull back some of the layers and see this complicated man more clearly, but I'm not a psychologist.
Many black preachers I've known -- scholarly, smart, and gentle in person -- uncorked fire and brimstone in the pulpit. Of course, I've known many white preachers like that, too.
But where I grew up in the South, before the civil rights movement, the pulpit was a safe place for black men to express anger for which they would have been punished anywhere else. A safe place for the fierce thunder of dignity denied, justice delayed.
I think I would have been angry if my ancestors had been transported thousands of miles in the hellish hole of a slave ship, then sold at auction, humiliated, whipped, and lynched.
Or if my great-great-great grandfather had been but three-fifths of a person in a Constitution that proclaimed: "We, the people."
Or if my own parents had been subjected to the racial vitriol of Jim Crow, Strom Thurmond, Bull Conner, and Jesse Helms.
Even so, the anger of black preachers I've known and heard and reported on was, for them, very personal and cathartic. That's not how Jeremiah Wright came across in those sound bites or in his defiant performances since my interview.
What white America is hearing in his most inflammatory words is an attack on the America they cherish and that many of their sons have died for in battle -- forgetting that black Americans have fought and bled beside them, and that Wright himself has a record of honored service in the Navy.
Hardly anyone took the "chickens come home to roost" remark to convey the message that intervention in the political battles of other nations is sure to bring retaliation in some form, which is not to justify the particular savagery of 9/11 but to understand that actions have consequences.
My friend Bernard Weisberger, the historian, says, yes, people are understandably seething with indignation over Wright's absurd charge that the United States deliberately brought an HIV epidemic into being.
But it is a fact, he says, that within living memory the U.S. public health service conducted a study that deliberately deceived black men with syphilis into believing that they were being treated while actually letting them die for the sake of a scientific test.
Does this excuse Wright's anger? His exaggerations or distortions? You'll have to decide for yourself, but at least it helps me to understand the why of them.
In this multimedia age the pulpit isn't only available on Sunday mornings. There's round the clock media -- the beast whose hunger is never satisfied, especially for the fast food with emotional content.
So the preacher starts with rational discussion and after much prodding throws more and more gasoline on the fire that will eventually consume everything it touches. He had help -- people who, for their own reasons, set out to conflate the man in the pulpit who wasn't running for president with the man in the pew who was.
Behold the double standard: John McCain sought out the endorsement of John Hagee, the warmongering, Catholic-bashing Texas preacher, who said the people of New Orleans got what they deserved for their sins.
But no one suggests McCain shares Hagee's delusions or thinks AIDS is God's punishment for homosexuality. Pat Robertson called for the assassination of a foreign head of state and asked God to remove Supreme Court justices, yet he remains a force in the Republican religious right.
After 9/11, Jerry Falwell said the attack was God's judgment on America for having been driven out of our schools and the public square, but when McCain goes after the endorsement of the preacher he once condemned as an agent of intolerance, the press gives him a pass.
Jon Stewart recently played tape from the Nixon White House in which Billy Graham talks in the Oval Office about how he has friends who are Jewish, but he knows in his heart that they are undermining America.
This is crazy and wrong -- white preachers are given leeway in politics that others aren't.
Which means it is all about race, isn't it?
Wright's offensive opinions and inflammatory appearances are judged differently. He doesn't fire a shot in anger, put a noose around anyone's neck, call for insurrection, or plant a bomb in a church with children in Sunday school.
What he does is to speak his mind in a language and style that unsettles some people, and says some things so outlandish and ill-advised that he finally leaves Obama no choice but to end their friendship.
We're often exposed to the corroding acid of the politics of personal destruction, but I've never seen anything like this -- this wrenching break between pastor and parishioner played out right in front of our eyes.
Both men no doubt will carry the grief to their graves. All the rest of us should hang our heads in shame for letting it come to this in America, where the gluttony of the non-stop media grinder consumes us all and prevents an honest conversation on race.
It is the price we are paying for failing to heed the great historian Jacob Burckhardt, who said, "beware the terrible simplifiers."
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Posted by: yellow on May 3, 2008 11:32 AM
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» Moyers is absolutely right... this is what I've been pointing out to everyone I know.
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Posted by: YBFREE.com on May 3, 2008 12:14 PM
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For those still confused and utterly clueless about American history I would like to recommend the following links:
"Uh-Obama: Racism, White Voters and the Myth of Color-Blindness"-By Tim Wise: http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/Obama.html
“The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and the Audacity of Truth” By Dr. Wilmer J. Leon III: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032208F.shtml
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Posted by: jadresak on May 3, 2008 2:10 PM
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We should be defending Wright and we should NOT defend Obama because Obama is an opportunist who will say what the media wants to hear rather than speak the truth.
The reason Wright is so vilified is because he is one of the few people with sway who is willing to speak the truth about America (not the american people but the government and the american system). Its sad to see Obama disown his pastor even though he knows what Wright is saying is true and he said in the past he could not disown him (just like he could not disown his own grandmother).
Until we can speak the truth and resist being vilified for it in the media, America will never be able to "CHANGE" and obama's speaches will be empty.
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» Don't compare Rev. Wright with MLK. It's rediculous.
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» Wright should join the KKK
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Posted by: no1kstate on May 3, 2008 2:24 PM
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Posted by: nmandowa on May 3, 2008 2:54 PM
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A lifelong news junkie, I've given up thinking that we can ever get anything close to the real story from press reports, maybe once in a while they'll get it right, sort of.
So now I secretly pray that, assuming Obama wins the nomination, and then wins the Presidency, that he will eventually and slowly reveal that he really did believe what Wright actually preached all along (reconciliation, not hate; justice, not rebellion; self-knowledge, not blind following of dogma; true patriotism, not jingoism), but he (Obama) was way too smart not to play the corporate game (see Chris Hedges article on Obama on Alternet this week) that he recognized as the only way to win back power for the good guys (the American democracy).
So maybe I live in self-delusion; it's a lot easier to take than the current state of affairs in this country.
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Posted by: realveive on May 3, 2008 3:42 PM
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Posted by: isobel on May 3, 2008 4:35 PM
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One, even if everyone reported 'truth' in 'Nam as one saw it, not everyone reported facts. Some distorted, some ignored, some overplayed certain facts over other so that inconvenient ones would not get as much coverage. I guess it's not that different for Rev. Wright, for 'soundbites' are, although they are distorted and partially ignored, still technically partial facts.
Two, it is not 'race' par se, but the racISM, that is the problem. By saying 'it's about race', we problematize the bioligical differences themselves, because even though the concept of race is mostly socially constructed, it is done so on the very basic, visible biological differences, like the color of one's skin. It is not that there are differences, but that one particular race is held in higher regard over evey other race is what should be pointed out. You might say it is just semantics, but what you say greatly influence how you think and act.
Race will exist as long as human beings exist. Racism doesn't have to.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 5:29 PM
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That comparison might be valid with wars but not race relations. How could white Americans possibly understand the feelings of Rev. Wright or any black person, for that matter?
The right of free speech aside, Caucasians who condemn Wright's rants are the real bigots.
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Posted by: YogiBear on May 3, 2008 5:44 PM
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So yes, it's easy for me to see race being a factor in whites whose own preachers say what I find to be horrible things, but that doesn't mean that Wright's race, or at least his association to the person folks 'round here have deified -- Obama -- is not drawing some folks over to defending the most absurd of his comments.
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Posted by: Quannah on May 3, 2008 7:07 PM
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It doesn't have to be so hard.
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Posted by: jebpgh on May 3, 2008 7:27 PM
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Evil will triumph in this election year and it won't be the fault of Barack ahd Michelle Obama. They are two decent, thoughtful people who will have been crushed by the engines of social intolerance and the powerful elites who want to see movements die so that no grass-roots leaders emerge, leaders who cannot be effectively managed. And the spin machines will place the blame on Obama, not themselves for they are as blameless for this as they are for the selling of the war in Iraq. Freedom of the press belongs to those who own it.
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Posted by: fratricide08 on May 4, 2008 3:26 AM
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At the NAACP speech, Rev. Wright made an astute and much needed observation --in fact I'll say it was one of his themes-- that different does not mean deficient. However, in reinforcing his theme and providing examples to bolster it, he on many occasions ended up undercutting it by using false information. For example, his assertion that blacks and whites learn differently because their brains are different. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying well maybe there is an educational difference, the furthest we can rationally go with that line of thought is to say that culture, income, parental involvement -- in other words culture and society -- may influence learning styles. However, what he actually said implied a non-existent biological difference and relied on outdated and discredited studies.
His examples regarding music were also littered with factual errors and stereotypes. He was flat-out wrong when he claimed that only black children are criticized for not speaking properly. And the list of minutia could go on.
The problem is that in all of this (and because of it) his legitimate critiques get lost and/or dismissed. And when he entertains conspiracies like the HIV/AIDs virus, he allows himself to be painted as a loon for no good reason (what I mean by that is that there are plenty of acknowledged and legitimate atrocities to name without the need to go there). Many of his overall points are strong enough and there is evidence enough of both big and small injustices to support them without the need for stereotypes, exaggeration, conspiracies, or anything else that might be seen as intellectually lazy or dishonest to hold them up.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 4, 2008 5:24 AM
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As For the snake OIL Dealer Hagee- that man and his followers should be on the 'Terrorist Watch List'. He is far more dangerous then any previous Cult leader- he has 'Public Officials' who buy his Crap who can actually make his 'End of Days' self fulfilling Prophecy come True. Hillary's statement she'd be willing to "obiterate Iran with Nukes' Baffled me until I saw the footage on your online Journal and also on Young Turks (not Turkish, but a very enlightening segment). NOW I AM TERRIFIED!!!
The media has to stop playing those relative 'lite' clips as proof he is Offensive and start showing the Sermons which Prove he is DANGEROUS and who in Gov't supports his diabolic Armegeddon agenda!
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Posted by: hagwind on May 4, 2008 6:36 AM
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Rev. Wright's big crime was telling his truth without sugarcoating it and dumbing it down for the white folks. Look at it this way: He's paying us white folks a compliment by giving us the opportunity to hear his truth. Bill Moyers and some other white people have proved worthy of the compliment. Plenty of others haven't.
Which is why I very rarely pay such compliments to men, straight people, and people with lots of money and class privilege. Day in, day out, I aid and abet their nicey-nice dream world. Maybe if I speak up a little more loudly and a little more often, the privileged people will be a little less freaked out when someone else tells the truth?
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» Yes, by all means, hagwind, speak your truth!
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Posted by: LeftWright on May 4, 2008 7:09 AM
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Go on, call him, I know you really want to.
(don't worry about that foundation money you get for your show, truth is more important)
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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» RE: Mr. Moyers - How about interviewing another theologian?
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Posted by: bozhidar on May 4, 2008 8:25 AM
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US has the one of the best structures of governance for conrtoling domestic and foreign pops.
i agree with much what wright says; exception being jesus.
he sees jesus as son of god while i don't.
to me, jesus had been just another rabido jewish priest who rejected us, the goyim. he had also, if quoted accurately, approbated all the hebrew crimes against other semites.
he, would if alive today, also approve of present crimes by zionists.
after all, bible had been written by judeans who were followers of jesus.
it could be that much of what is in bible is just editorial; wishful thinking, cursing, 'promising', commanding, blaming, etc. thank u
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 4, 2008 9:39 AM
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April 21, 2008
RUSH: . . . Of course, the bottom line here is that Operation Chaos does not have a chosen candidate to win this. Operation Chaos has as a simple, single mission to keep the campaign going; to keep chaos reigning supreme, to keep the Democrats continuing to conduct their war with each other on all fronts.
Why are people on the left so stupid? Why is Bill Moyers wasting his time on this crap instead of, I don't know, interviewing Iraqi soldiers about current conditions in Iraq?
I am now formally placing both the left and the right in this country ON NOTICE. Public Image Limited - that's all it is. In the real world, there are issues - energy needs, warfare, healthcare, the air, the water, the land, education, religion, birth, death - there are no ideologies.
By the way, the U.S. just fired two guided cruise missiles into the heart of Sadr City, right across from the hospital, blowing up a bunch of ambulances.
They appear to be relying on the Syrian strategy used in the town of Hamah - wall it off and destroy it. Google it.
Now, let's talk Vietnam. I like to start with Apocalypse Now as the entry point:
"It's impossible for words... to describe... what is necessary... to those... who do not know... what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face. And you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror... are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate... some children. We'd left the camp... after we had inoculated the children for polio. And this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't say. We went back there... and they had come and hacked off... every inoculated arm. There they were, in a pile-- a pile of... little arms. And I remember... I-I-- I cried. I wept like... some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot-- like I was shot with a diamond-- a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, 'My God, the genius of that. The genius.' The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized... they were stronger than me because they could stand it. These were not monsters. These were men-- trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts... who have families, who have children... who are filled with love... that they had the strength-- the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men... then our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men... who are moral... and at the same time... who are able to... utilize their... primordial instincts to kill... without feeling, without passion... without judgment-- without judgment. Because it’s judgment that defeats us. I worry that my son... might not understand what I've tried to be. And if I were to be killed, Willard... I would want someone to go to my home... and tell my son everything. Everything I did."
Wright was a Marine, wasn't he? When was he a Marine? 1963. Funny how no one has ever bothered to bring up the subject of Vietnam, and what he thought about it (he was a member of Lyndon Johnson's medical team in the 60s).
Wright is an absolute mockery to the memory of Martin Luther King - the man is a clown.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 4, 2008 9:50 AM
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Bloomberg for some reason is doing a far better job of covering the details - not in any advocacy manner, just straight news:
"May 24 (Bloomberg) -- Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton proposed on Feb. 27 more research funds for new energy technology, including ``clean'' coal systems. The next day, Mark Penn, her top campaign strategist, had a different take on coal.
In an internal blog at his other job, as chief executive officer of public relations firm Burson-Marsteller, Penn wrote of how Burson worked ``behind the scenes'' for TXU Corp., a Texas company seeking to build power plants fueled by pulverized coal, which some environmentalists say would be major polluters.
Contradictions between Penn's private business dealings and Clinton's public policy positions -- which Penn helps formulate and sell to voters -- point up potential clashes in doing both campaign consulting and corporate advocacy. Penn's firm works for clients, from a tobacco company to drugmakers, whose interests are often at odds with the New York senator's agenda.
``That individuals and groups are serving today as both consultants to campaigns and as lobbyists or PR folks for private clients is a modern-day phenomenon that has inherent conflicts of interest,'' said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, a Washington-based group that advocates for tougher ethics laws. ``It is a very unhealthy practice.''
Penn, 53, denies his work poses a problem. ``I don't think there's any obligation that the firm's clients agree on every issue that's out there with either themselves or Senator Clinton,'' he said in an interview yesterday. ``Lots of people have lots of disagreements, and that doesn't make it a conflict.''
Fine With Clinton
Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said Penn is currently working only with Microsoft Corp., a longtime client, and on the election campaign, although he's free to handle and solicit other clients.
``The real question from the campaign perspective is whether Senator Clinton is comfortable with what Mark is doing, and the answer to that is yes, unequivocally,'' Wolfson said.
Then she fired Penn after he was publicly caught meeting with Colombian trade representatives to figure out a way to force that free trade agreement through - right after she had cooked up some story about NAFTA and Obama with the aid of right-wing Canadian politicians.
Hillary sold her soul to Rupert Murdoch for the chance to be president, I think, and now is furious that the deal is going sour. Just an unsubstantiated opinion, but it seems to fit all the facts.
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» Burson-Marsteller's kind of candidate
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Posted by: desidid on May 4, 2008 10:38 AM
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1970 United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.
1975 The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).
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Try and imagine this pastor saying something like "Affirmative Action is a government plan to injure whites,"
I didn't have to imagine it, and I couldn't imagine the press feeling a need to explain it all away.
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And when I went to college having EASILY secured a low-interest student loan without so much as a blink of an eye from my FELLOW WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN banker even the guys on basketball scholarship didn’t seem to be nearly as big a criminals as I thought they would be. And you know when I had a friend who had a sexually transmitted disease he went to the physician of his choice and actually RECEIVED treatment and wasn’t treated as a lab rat and even if he had been, shoot that would have been almost 50 years ago, so I say “get OVER IT already.” So I totally agree with you if white people had SAID things we didn’t agree with then the press would be all over them, all over them--shoot I remember one of them said gays were responsible for New Orleans and that was reported for like maybe TEN minutes, so there's a good example.
This “free pass” (which could destroy this man’s opportunity to be president and what I consider to be our greatest hope since John, Robert and Martin blessed our world) of the last several weeks (or has it been months as it seems like years?) that has basically been talking about crap has got to go--we need the press to get on this IMPORTANT issue, BIG TIME.
(For those that do not understand the preceding, it’s my poor attempt at sarcasm--I actually believe this author’s post has zero merit.)
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But Rev. Wright did neglect to mention that, in an educational setting, Black children can be encouraged to choose BOTH left brain AND right brain thinking. No one is born with only one or the other.
Also, Rev. Wright disrespected Obama as just another politician, which he most certainly is not. In my opinion, it is not a question of whether Obama is good enough to be President, but whether Americans deserve so decent and honest a man and his brilliant wife to reform Washington D.C. for the needs of all the people, not just robber baron corporations, or some other special interest. If Obama wins, America wins. If he loses we get another Clinton, this one widely labeled by corporate America as "Safe To Swim".
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I told my wife, however, at the time, "we're too stupid and afraid to elect him." I've been around for a long time. Seems strange as I don't feel that old, but I remember the newsmen (and they were all men) who reported the news. Now, I watch PBS some times to get news, but starting with the fair and balanced Orwellian shrieking heads at Fox and moving through CNN and through the rest of the main stream media news people no longer report the news, but create it and when there’s none to create, they just make shit up (like the hype surrounding all the trivial garbage that doesn’t matter: lost kids, celebrity who cares, speculative analysis that even when totally wrong is never questioned).
I notice tonight there'll be a one hour "special" on Wright on one of the screaming heads of one of the 24-hour “news” channels. I noticed, too, the headline of a major newspaper this morning reporting Obama taking a hit in the polls because of his pastor. These were perhaps sideline stories a week or two ago. On the eve of another news media created fairy tale of a made up exciting primary for the democratic nomination, the news media is swift boating Obama and many will lap it up as though there was substance to this effluvia. Winston Churchill said something to the effect “we always get the government we deserve” and as I told my wife so many months ago “we’re too stupid and afraid to elect this man.” Sadly, I get the sense I was right and sadly in a much deeper sense we’re going to once again get the government we deserve. Unfortunately, this time, we can’t afford it. Goodnight and good luck.
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totally racial. In fact many of the same feelings were expressed over comments by Falwell and other white preachers. The difference in this case is that unlike other Presiidental candidates who were not members of questionable ministries, Obama attended this church for 20 years. Oprah Winfrey did not stay. In this weeks edition of Newsweek there is an an article about why Winfrey left Wright's church. Oprah attended Wrights church from 1984-1986 and dropped in a few times after that but "according to two sources, Winfrey was never comfortable with the tone of Wright's more incendiary sermons." This is a women who knows black history and is very comfortable in her blackness. She would have many of the same feelings about early black history but she seems to have made peace with it in a way Wright has not. The question for many is why Obama stayed. Obama also has
relationships with other angry men including
his fellow state senator, Rev, Meeks and
a Catholic priest Rev. Pflager who is white.
Both of these men also have a incendiary style of preaching. What was Obama looking for and
who is his really at his core?
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I say this not only because our racism extends beyond white and black, but to every other racial "hue" as well, but also because it will be very evident that a (probably large) number of people will vote for someone other than Obama simply because he is "not white." We are still a long way away from realizing Dr. King's dream of judging people "not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
A Committed Cynic might also surmise that perhaps the overriding reason that Senator Obama's character is being assailed so vigorously is so that the "non-racist pretenders" can justify a negative judgment of the senator's character, thereby eliminating a judgment on the man's race. Of course, I wouldn't be that cynical....
Nevertheless, the status of racism in the United States today is not an uplifting prospect and very little progress has been made from 1776 'til now, given the blood and treasure spent over those years.
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The MSM could have shown the entire clips of Rev. Wright to put his comments in proper perspective, like Bill Moyers did on his show, but they CHOSE not to. They edited those down to soundbites with nefarious intent to deceive and mislead those watching them. Hillary Clinton took their ball and ran with it, even though she knew the truth, which is why I have lost all respect for her.
If they steal the nomination from Barack Obama, it will be justification for street theater at the convention. I will go myself if I have to borrow the money.
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The public appearance of AIDS was in 81-82.
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The media glosses over it or just plain ignore it. This Hagee/McCain double standard is very frustratingly troubling. I only hope that the democratic nominee and their handlers are saving this for the general election.
That could be the only explaination why this hasn't been vetted.
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Posted by: Linda Mae on May 5, 2008 9:30 PM
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Mr. Moyers -
Remember that black men received the right to vote years before women did. women were considered to be 0/0 % of a person. We were worth zero! And, today, women still receive less per hour than men. And women are still presented, used, & vilified as sex objects in the media - our society, and sold as sex slaves throughout the world. Men, of any color - have it so much better than women - of any age. That would be a great show for you. White slavery in the world's sex trade is an issue that should be covered. Ann Jillian made a fantastic movie about it years ago.
Also, you asked if the Reverend's comments are condemned because of his color. I was a teacher in a public school. I would have been fired and lost my educator's certificate if I had made even a fraction of the Reverend's comments. It would make no difference of color. I would not be able to hide my hatreds behind my color as he does.
He holds on to a past filled with evil problems that have been faced and solutions attempted. Not always 100% but at least tried. I worry about someone who uses past sins to justify their present sins. Why can't there be positive fire and brimstone sermons urging black teens, as well as all teens - to do their best to educate themselves? To use what is available to them to get out of the victim mentality? Bill Cosby said this and was vilified by members of the black community. Why? How can anyone listen to the Reverend's rhetoric and not come out hating America for reasons no longer in existence. Why is there black on black crime?
In the 1970's I worked for CT Project Equality which monitored the advent of the Equal Opportunities Act. I know first hand that blacks were not hired in so many companies. That is no longer the case. A person with the right training should be able to get the job. There is no reason to give a person preference - or deny him opportunity - based upon skin color.
The Reverend's Anti-American comments - were discussed in detail with Obama in a Rolling Stones article in 2007 - (Jan. or Feb.) so there is no excuse for his not knowing about them - Is Obama playing the politician like the Reverend accuses him - theses are not flash in the pan comments - sound bites. He may be popular but I think he is dangerous.
I can't see the media supporting the reverse. A white preacher damning black America for the troubles they bring to the table. I know I would not remain a member of any church or organization - no matter the color or reason - that spews such hatred.
I cannot believe that Mr. Moyers continues to support the Reverend's hateful comments. There were some that thought Hitler was charming, asked for a change to make life better for Germans, blamed the problems on the Jews, wiped out 6 million Jews and 6 million Roman Catholic nuns and priests, homosexuals, gypsies, the journalists, politicians, , educators, etc -- parents who were turned in by their children who heard them make comments about Hitler in the privacy of their own home. I understand Hitler's motivation but would never condone or excuse it. Would Mr. Moyers have a show defending Hitler? Using the same criteria he gave for supporting the Reverend, he would have to. No, No , No. Liberalism going too far. It reminds me about the story of a person who kills his mother and father and during the trial throws himself on the mercy of the jury because he is an orphan.
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Why all this has to lead to charges of racism and sexist dissing of Hillary is beyond me. We have two great candidates here. Too bad they won't run together.
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They can try to CHANGE that society--by maintaining legal funds for their parishioners, out of a portion of the fat tithes that pour into their churches each and every Sunday-- that, instead of trying to elect a President, the way that the Holy Rollers did in 2000 (Bush the Second Coming...By ANY MEANS NECESSARY, said the Right Reverend Jerry (Jeremiah?!) Falwell)--or instead of damning a country which has sincerely tried to move itself past its consuming racial hatred, could try instead to UNITE a country to move forward and grow.--and yet instead of that, the agents of intolerance of ALL RELIGIONS AND ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS, tend to spew their hatreds out onto their flocks, as if they believe that by doing so, they're actually doing some good.
I liked it better in the 60s, when everyone was afraid that, if JFK was elected, "The Pope would be in the White House". Of course that didn't happen--but it is significant that Bush cloaks himself in Papal approbation, these days. People were rightly afraid of the Church and politics, back in the 60s. They better get scared again, otherwise Bush won't be the worst this country's seen--not by far.
The white Jerry--Falwell--has begun a "Liberty" University--to educate his particular Holy Rollers in infiltrating our government. Does that scare anyone? Does anyone even KNOW about it? Does anyone CARE? Would the Rupert-Murdoch-Corporate-Owned Media maintain reports on Liberty U? I bet not...
This is what happens when crooks--instead of being impeached for their crimes--get to stay in office. "Oh...what more harm can Bush do?"
wail the ineffective citizenry, "His term is almost over!" Yeah, and the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale, wait until McShame takes over for Bush/Cheney's FOURTH TERM IN OFFICE. And he will. The Dems will be stupid enough to put up a candidate for President with the kind of baggage that Obama carries--and I don't mean just the Right Rev Jerry (Jeremiah)Wright--instead of the one candidate who could unify America and begin to bring us back from this brink--and so Obama will lose to McSame in November, and we'll be screwed again.
God Bless America. God DAMN the many enemies she has, within her territory. ESPECIALLY the churchified ones, whatever color they may be.
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Shalom, Rev. Robert (United Church of Christ)
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Rev. Wright ( who graduated my high school.... an all boys academic public school in Philadelphia, a few years ahead ) Is preaching vitriol to the choir.
Politically it means nothing, but it is BULLSHIT
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For those still confused and utterly clueless about American history I would like to recommend the following links:
"Uh-Obama: Racism, White Voters and the Myth of Color-Blindness"-By Tim Wise: http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/Obama.html
“The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and the Audacity of Truth” By Dr. Wilmer J. Leon III: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032208F.shtml
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We should be defending Wright and we should NOT defend Obama because Obama is an opportunist who will say what the media wants to hear rather than speak the truth.
The reason Wright is so vilified is because he is one of the few people with sway who is willing to speak the truth about America (not the american people but the government and the american system). Its sad to see Obama disown his pastor even though he knows what Wright is saying is true and he said in the past he could not disown him (just like he could not disown his own grandmother).
Until we can speak the truth and resist being vilified for it in the media, America will never be able to "CHANGE" and obama's speaches will be empty.
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A lifelong news junkie, I've given up thinking that we can ever get anything close to the real story from press reports, maybe once in a while they'll get it right, sort of.
So now I secretly pray that, assuming Obama wins the nomination, and then wins the Presidency, that he will eventually and slowly reveal that he really did believe what Wright actually preached all along (reconciliation, not hate; justice, not rebellion; self-knowledge, not blind following of dogma; true patriotism, not jingoism), but he (Obama) was way too smart not to play the corporate game (see Chris Hedges article on Obama on Alternet this week) that he recognized as the only way to win back power for the good guys (the American democracy).
So maybe I live in self-delusion; it's a lot easier to take than the current state of affairs in this country.
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Posted by: isobel on May 3, 2008 4:35 PM
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One, even if everyone reported 'truth' in 'Nam as one saw it, not everyone reported facts. Some distorted, some ignored, some overplayed certain facts over other so that inconvenient ones would not get as much coverage. I guess it's not that different for Rev. Wright, for 'soundbites' are, although they are distorted and partially ignored, still technically partial facts.
Two, it is not 'race' par se, but the racISM, that is the problem. By saying 'it's about race', we problematize the bioligical differences themselves, because even though the concept of race is mostly socially constructed, it is done so on the very basic, visible biological differences, like the color of one's skin. It is not that there are differences, but that one particular race is held in higher regard over evey other race is what should be pointed out. You might say it is just semantics, but what you say greatly influence how you think and act.
Race will exist as long as human beings exist. Racism doesn't have to.
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That comparison might be valid with wars but not race relations. How could white Americans possibly understand the feelings of Rev. Wright or any black person, for that matter?
The right of free speech aside, Caucasians who condemn Wright's rants are the real bigots.
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So yes, it's easy for me to see race being a factor in whites whose own preachers say what I find to be horrible things, but that doesn't mean that Wright's race, or at least his association to the person folks 'round here have deified -- Obama -- is not drawing some folks over to defending the most absurd of his comments.
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Posted by: Quannah on May 3, 2008 7:07 PM
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It doesn't have to be so hard.
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Evil will triumph in this election year and it won't be the fault of Barack ahd Michelle Obama. They are two decent, thoughtful people who will have been crushed by the engines of social intolerance and the powerful elites who want to see movements die so that no grass-roots leaders emerge, leaders who cannot be effectively managed. And the spin machines will place the blame on Obama, not themselves for they are as blameless for this as they are for the selling of the war in Iraq. Freedom of the press belongs to those who own it.
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Posted by: fratricide08 on May 4, 2008 3:26 AM
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At the NAACP speech, Rev. Wright made an astute and much needed observation --in fact I'll say it was one of his themes-- that different does not mean deficient. However, in reinforcing his theme and providing examples to bolster it, he on many occasions ended up undercutting it by using false information. For example, his assertion that blacks and whites learn differently because their brains are different. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying well maybe there is an educational difference, the furthest we can rationally go with that line of thought is to say that culture, income, parental involvement -- in other words culture and society -- may influence learning styles. However, what he actually said implied a non-existent biological difference and relied on outdated and discredited studies.
His examples regarding music were also littered with factual errors and stereotypes. He was flat-out wrong when he claimed that only black children are criticized for not speaking properly. And the list of minutia could go on.
The problem is that in all of this (and because of it) his legitimate critiques get lost and/or dismissed. And when he entertains conspiracies like the HIV/AIDs virus, he allows himself to be painted as a loon for no good reason (what I mean by that is that there are plenty of acknowledged and legitimate atrocities to name without the need to go there). Many of his overall points are strong enough and there is evidence enough of both big and small injustices to support them without the need for stereotypes, exaggeration, conspiracies, or anything else that might be seen as intellectually lazy or dishonest to hold them up.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 4, 2008 5:24 AM
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As For the snake OIL Dealer Hagee- that man and his followers should be on the 'Terrorist Watch List'. He is far more dangerous then any previous Cult leader- he has 'Public Officials' who buy his Crap who can actually make his 'End of Days' self fulfilling Prophecy come True. Hillary's statement she'd be willing to "obiterate Iran with Nukes' Baffled me until I saw the footage on your online Journal and also on Young Turks (not Turkish, but a very enlightening segment). NOW I AM TERRIFIED!!!
The media has to stop playing those relative 'lite' clips as proof he is Offensive and start showing the Sermons which Prove he is DANGEROUS and who in Gov't supports his diabolic Armegeddon agenda!
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Posted by: hagwind on May 4, 2008 6:36 AM
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Rev. Wright's big crime was telling his truth without sugarcoating it and dumbing it down for the white folks. Look at it this way: He's paying us white folks a compliment by giving us the opportunity to hear his truth. Bill Moyers and some other white people have proved worthy of the compliment. Plenty of others haven't.
Which is why I very rarely pay such compliments to men, straight people, and people with lots of money and class privilege. Day in, day out, I aid and abet their nicey-nice dream world. Maybe if I speak up a little more loudly and a little more often, the privileged people will be a little less freaked out when someone else tells the truth?
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Posted by: LeftWright on May 4, 2008 7:09 AM
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Go on, call him, I know you really want to.
(don't worry about that foundation money you get for your show, truth is more important)
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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US has the one of the best structures of governance for conrtoling domestic and foreign pops.
i agree with much what wright says; exception being jesus.
he sees jesus as son of god while i don't.
to me, jesus had been just another rabido jewish priest who rejected us, the goyim. he had also, if quoted accurately, approbated all the hebrew crimes against other semites.
he, would if alive today, also approve of present crimes by zionists.
after all, bible had been written by judeans who were followers of jesus.
it could be that much of what is in bible is just editorial; wishful thinking, cursing, 'promising', commanding, blaming, etc. thank u
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April 21, 2008
RUSH: . . . Of course, the bottom line here is that Operation Chaos does not have a chosen candidate to win this. Operation Chaos has as a simple, single mission to keep the campaign going; to keep chaos reigning supreme, to keep the Democrats continuing to conduct their war with each other on all fronts.
Why are people on the left so stupid? Why is Bill Moyers wasting his time on this crap instead of, I don't know, interviewing Iraqi soldiers about current conditions in Iraq?
I am now formally placing both the left and the right in this country ON NOTICE. Public Image Limited - that's all it is. In the real world, there are issues - energy needs, warfare, healthcare, the air, the water, the land, education, religion, birth, death - there are no ideologies.
By the way, the U.S. just fired two guided cruise missiles into the heart of Sadr City, right across from the hospital, blowing up a bunch of ambulances.
They appear to be relying on the Syrian strategy used in the town of Hamah - wall it off and destroy it. Google it.
Now, let's talk Vietnam. I like to start with Apocalypse Now as the entry point:
"It's impossible for words... to describe... what is necessary... to those... who do not know... what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face. And you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror... are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate... some children. We'd left the camp... after we had inoculated the children for polio. And this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't say. We went back there... and they had come and hacked off... every inoculated arm. There they were, in a pile-- a pile of... little arms. And I remember... I-I-- I cried. I wept like... some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot-- like I was shot with a diamond-- a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, 'My God, the genius of that. The genius.' The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized... they were stronger than me because they could stand it. These were not monsters. These were men-- trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts... who have families, who have children... who are filled with love... that they had the strength-- the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men... then our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men... who are moral... and at the same time... who are able to... utilize their... primordial instincts to kill... without feeling, without passion... without judgment-- without judgment. Because it’s judgment that defeats us. I worry that my son... might not understand what I've tried to be. And if I were to be killed, Willard... I would want someone to go to my home... and tell my son everything. Everything I did."
Wright was a Marine, wasn't he? When was he a Marine? 1963. Funny how no one has ever bothered to bring up the subject of Vietnam, and what he thought about it (he was a member of Lyndon Johnson's medical team in the 60s).
Wright is an absolute mockery to the memory of Martin Luther King - the man is a clown.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 4, 2008 9:50 AM
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Bloomberg for some reason is doing a far better job of covering the details - not in any advocacy manner, just straight news:
"May 24 (Bloomberg) -- Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton proposed on Feb. 27 more research funds for new energy technology, including ``clean'' coal systems. The next day, Mark Penn, her top campaign strategist, had a different take on coal.
In an internal blog at his other job, as chief executive officer of public relations firm Burson-Marsteller, Penn wrote of how Burson worked ``behind the scenes'' for TXU Corp., a Texas company seeking to build power plants fueled by pulverized coal, which some environmentalists say would be major polluters.
Contradictions between Penn's private business dealings and Clinton's public policy positions -- which Penn helps formulate and sell to voters -- point up potential clashes in doing both campaign consulting and corporate advocacy. Penn's firm works for clients, from a tobacco company to drugmakers, whose interests are often at odds with the New York senator's agenda.
``That individuals and groups are serving today as both consultants to campaigns and as lobbyists or PR folks for private clients is a modern-day phenomenon that has inherent conflicts of interest,'' said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, a Washington-based group that advocates for tougher ethics laws. ``It is a very unhealthy practice.''
Penn, 53, denies his work poses a problem. ``I don't think there's any obligation that the firm's clients agree on every issue that's out there with either themselves or Senator Clinton,'' he said in an interview yesterday. ``Lots of people have lots of disagreements, and that doesn't make it a conflict.''
Fine With Clinton
Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said Penn is currently working only with Microsoft Corp., a longtime client, and on the election campaign, although he's free to handle and solicit other clients.
``The real question from the campaign perspective is whether Senator Clinton is comfortable with what Mark is doing, and the answer to that is yes, unequivocally,'' Wolfson said.
Then she fired Penn after he was publicly caught meeting with Colombian trade representatives to figure out a way to force that free trade agreement through - right after she had cooked up some story about NAFTA and Obama with the aid of right-wing Canadian politicians.
Hillary sold her soul to Rupert Murdoch for the chance to be president, I think, and now is furious that the deal is going sour. Just an unsubstantiated opinion, but it seems to fit all the facts.
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1970 United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.
1975 The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).
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Try and imagine this pastor saying something like "Affirmative Action is a government plan to injure whites,"
I didn't have to imagine it, and I couldn't imagine the press feeling a need to explain it all away.
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And when I went to college having EASILY secured a low-interest student loan without so much as a blink of an eye from my FELLOW WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN banker even the guys on basketball scholarship didn’t seem to be nearly as big a criminals as I thought they would be. And you know when I had a friend who had a sexually transmitted disease he went to the physician of his choice and actually RECEIVED treatment and wasn’t treated as a lab rat and even if he had been, shoot that would have been almost 50 years ago, so I say “get OVER IT already.” So I totally agree with you if white people had SAID things we didn’t agree with then the press would be all over them, all over them--shoot I remember one of them said gays were responsible for New Orleans and that was reported for like maybe TEN minutes, so there's a good example.
This “free pass” (which could destroy this man’s opportunity to be president and what I consider to be our greatest hope since John, Robert and Martin blessed our world) of the last several weeks (or has it been months as it seems like years?) that has basically been talking about crap has got to go--we need the press to get on this IMPORTANT issue, BIG TIME.
(For those that do not understand the preceding, it’s my poor attempt at sarcasm--I actually believe this author’s post has zero merit.)
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But Rev. Wright did neglect to mention that, in an educational setting, Black children can be encouraged to choose BOTH left brain AND right brain thinking. No one is born with only one or the other.
Also, Rev. Wright disrespected Obama as just another politician, which he most certainly is not. In my opinion, it is not a question of whether Obama is good enough to be President, but whether Americans deserve so decent and honest a man and his brilliant wife to reform Washington D.C. for the needs of all the people, not just robber baron corporations, or some other special interest. If Obama wins, America wins. If he loses we get another Clinton, this one widely labeled by corporate America as "Safe To Swim".
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Posted by: JohnJlws on May 5, 2008 6:32 AM
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I told my wife, however, at the time, "we're too stupid and afraid to elect him." I've been around for a long time. Seems strange as I don't feel that old, but I remember the newsmen (and they were all men) who reported the news. Now, I watch PBS some times to get news, but starting with the fair and balanced Orwellian shrieking heads at Fox and moving through CNN and through the rest of the main stream media news people no longer report the news, but create it and when there’s none to create, they just make shit up (like the hype surrounding all the trivial garbage that doesn’t matter: lost kids, celebrity who cares, speculative analysis that even when totally wrong is never questioned).
I notice tonight there'll be a one hour "special" on Wright on one of the screaming heads of one of the 24-hour “news” channels. I noticed, too, the headline of a major newspaper this morning reporting Obama taking a hit in the polls because of his pastor. These were perhaps sideline stories a week or two ago. On the eve of another news media created fairy tale of a made up exciting primary for the democratic nomination, the news media is swift boating Obama and many will lap it up as though there was substance to this effluvia. Winston Churchill said something to the effect “we always get the government we deserve” and as I told my wife so many months ago “we’re too stupid and afraid to elect this man.” Sadly, I get the sense I was right and sadly in a much deeper sense we’re going to once again get the government we deserve. Unfortunately, this time, we can’t afford it. Goodnight and good luck.
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totally racial. In fact many of the same feelings were expressed over comments by Falwell and other white preachers. The difference in this case is that unlike other Presiidental candidates who were not members of questionable ministries, Obama attended this church for 20 years. Oprah Winfrey did not stay. In this weeks edition of Newsweek there is an an article about why Winfrey left Wright's church. Oprah attended Wrights church from 1984-1986 and dropped in a few times after that but "according to two sources, Winfrey was never comfortable with the tone of Wright's more incendiary sermons." This is a women who knows black history and is very comfortable in her blackness. She would have many of the same feelings about early black history but she seems to have made peace with it in a way Wright has not. The question for many is why Obama stayed. Obama also has
relationships with other angry men including
his fellow state senator, Rev, Meeks and
a Catholic priest Rev. Pflager who is white.
Both of these men also have a incendiary style of preaching. What was Obama looking for and
who is his really at his core?
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I say this not only because our racism extends beyond white and black, but to every other racial "hue" as well, but also because it will be very evident that a (probably large) number of people will vote for someone other than Obama simply because he is "not white." We are still a long way away from realizing Dr. King's dream of judging people "not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
A Committed Cynic might also surmise that perhaps the overriding reason that Senator Obama's character is being assailed so vigorously is so that the "non-racist pretenders" can justify a negative judgment of the senator's character, thereby eliminating a judgment on the man's race. Of course, I wouldn't be that cynical....
Nevertheless, the status of racism in the United States today is not an uplifting prospect and very little progress has been made from 1776 'til now, given the blood and treasure spent over those years.
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» The reverse if true.
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The MSM could have shown the entire clips of Rev. Wright to put his comments in proper perspective, like Bill Moyers did on his show, but they CHOSE not to. They edited those down to soundbites with nefarious intent to deceive and mislead those watching them. Hillary Clinton took their ball and ran with it, even though she knew the truth, which is why I have lost all respect for her.
If they steal the nomination from Barack Obama, it will be justification for street theater at the convention. I will go myself if I have to borrow the money.
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The public appearance of AIDS was in 81-82.
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Posted by: lamac66 on May 5, 2008 8:39 PM
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The media glosses over it or just plain ignore it. This Hagee/McCain double standard is very frustratingly troubling. I only hope that the democratic nominee and their handlers are saving this for the general election.
That could be the only explaination why this hasn't been vetted.
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Posted by: Linda Mae on May 5, 2008 9:30 PM
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Mr. Moyers -
Remember that black men received the right to vote years before women did. women were considered to be 0/0 % of a person. We were worth zero! And, today, women still receive less per hour than men. And women are still presented, used, & vilified as sex objects in the media - our society, and sold as sex slaves throughout the world. Men, of any color - have it so much better than women - of any age. That would be a great show for you. White slavery in the world's sex trade is an issue that should be covered. Ann Jillian made a fantastic movie about it years ago.
Also, you asked if the Reverend's comments are condemned because of his color. I was a teacher in a public school. I would have been fired and lost my educator's certificate if I had made even a fraction of the Reverend's comments. It would make no difference of color. I would not be able to hide my hatreds behind my color as he does.
He holds on to a past filled with evil problems that have been faced and solutions attempted. Not always 100% but at least tried. I worry about someone who uses past sins to justify their present sins. Why can't there be positive fire and brimstone sermons urging black teens, as well as all teens - to do their best to educate themselves? To use what is available to them to get out of the victim mentality? Bill Cosby said this and was vilified by members of the black community. Why? How can anyone listen to the Reverend's rhetoric and not come out hating America for reasons no longer in existence. Why is there black on black crime?
In the 1970's I worked for CT Project Equality which monitored the advent of the Equal Opportunities Act. I know first hand that blacks were not hired in so many companies. That is no longer the case. A person with the right training should be able to get the job. There is no reason to give a person preference - or deny him opportunity - based upon skin color.
The Reverend's Anti-American comments - were discussed in detail with Obama in a Rolling Stones article in 2007 - (Jan. or Feb.) so there is no excuse for his not knowing about them - Is Obama playing the politician like the Reverend accuses him - theses are not flash in the pan comments - sound bites. He may be popular but I think he is dangerous.
I can't see the media supporting the reverse. A white preacher damning black America for the troubles they bring to the table. I know I would not remain a member of any church or organization - no matter the color or reason - that spews such hatred.
I cannot believe that Mr. Moyers continues to support the Reverend's hateful comments. There were some that thought Hitler was charming, asked for a change to make life better for Germans, blamed the problems on the Jews, wiped out 6 million Jews and 6 million Roman Catholic nuns and priests, homosexuals, gypsies, the journalists, politicians, , educators, etc -- parents who were turned in by their children who heard them make comments about Hitler in the privacy of their own home. I understand Hitler's motivation but would never condone or excuse it. Would Mr. Moyers have a show defending Hitler? Using the same criteria he gave for supporting the Reverend, he would have to. No, No , No. Liberalism going too far. It reminds me about the story of a person who kills his mother and father and during the trial throws himself on the mercy of the jury because he is an orphan.
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Posted by: mboerner on May 6, 2008 7:25 PM
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Posted by: mboerner on May 6, 2008 8:08 PM
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Why all this has to lead to charges of racism and sexist dissing of Hillary is beyond me. We have two great candidates here. Too bad they won't run together.
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Posted by: desidid on May 8, 2008 7:56 PM
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Posted by: OK Granny on May 9, 2008 9:15 AM
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on May 10, 2008 11:32 AM
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They can try to CHANGE that society--by maintaining legal funds for their parishioners, out of a portion of the fat tithes that pour into their churches each and every Sunday-- that, instead of trying to elect a President, the way that the Holy Rollers did in 2000 (Bush the Second Coming...By ANY MEANS NECESSARY, said the Right Reverend Jerry (Jeremiah?!) Falwell)--or instead of damning a country which has sincerely tried to move itself past its consuming racial hatred, could try instead to UNITE a country to move forward and grow.--and yet instead of that, the agents of intolerance of ALL RELIGIONS AND ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS, tend to spew their hatreds out onto their flocks, as if they believe that by doing so, they're actually doing some good.
I liked it better in the 60s, when everyone was afraid that, if JFK was elected, "The Pope would be in the White House". Of course that didn't happen--but it is significant that Bush cloaks himself in Papal approbation, these days. People were rightly afraid of the Church and politics, back in the 60s. They better get scared again, otherwise Bush won't be the worst this country's seen--not by far.
The white Jerry--Falwell--has begun a "Liberty" University--to educate his particular Holy Rollers in infiltrating our government. Does that scare anyone? Does anyone even KNOW about it? Does anyone CARE? Would the Rupert-Murdoch-Corporate-Owned Media maintain reports on Liberty U? I bet not...
This is what happens when crooks--instead of being impeached for their crimes--get to stay in office. "Oh...what more harm can Bush do?"
wail the ineffective citizenry, "His term is almost over!" Yeah, and the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale, wait until McShame takes over for Bush/Cheney's FOURTH TERM IN OFFICE. And he will. The Dems will be stupid enough to put up a candidate for President with the kind of baggage that Obama carries--and I don't mean just the Right Rev Jerry (Jeremiah)Wright--instead of the one candidate who could unify America and begin to bring us back from this brink--and so Obama will lose to McSame in November, and we'll be screwed again.
God Bless America. God DAMN the many enemies she has, within her territory. ESPECIALLY the churchified ones, whatever color they may be.
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Posted by: revrmaury on May 10, 2008 12:19 PM
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Shalom, Rev. Robert (United Church of Christ)
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Posted by: gellero1 on May 11, 2008 3:07 AM
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Rev. Wright ( who graduated my high school.... an all boys academic public school in Philadelphia, a few years ahead ) Is preaching vitriol to the choir.
Politically it means nothing, but it is BULLSHIT
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