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Experts: Clinton/McCain Gas Tax 'Holiday' a Joke
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Over the past several days, some of the nation's leading economic and political pundits have weighed in critically on the proposal of both Sens. Hillary Clinton and John McCain to institute a gas tax holiday this summer.
Paul Krugman of the New York Times said on Tuesday that Clinton's idea, while less "evil" than McCain's, was still "pointless" and "disappointing."
One day later, Tom Friedman, also of the Times, called the idea "so ridiculous...it takes your breath away."
And Jonathan Alter of Newsweek piled on: "Hillary Clinton has now joined John McCain in proposing the most irresponsible policy idea of the year -- an idea that actually could aid the terrorists."
Surely, however, there must be someone out there not associated with a politician or a candidate who supported the idea of a gas tax reprieve -- especially if, as Clinton suggests, it would be paid for by an excess profits tax on oil companies.
I emailed Howard Wolfson, Clinton's spokesperson, asking him to put me in touch with an economic or environmental analyst who favored his boss' plan. He never wrote back.
So I took the task upon myself. I would call experts from all sides of the ideological aisle to get a sense of where the debate stood. In the end, every single analyst I surveyed judged the gas tax holiday proposal to be, roughly speaking, a silly, superfluous, or outright pandering idea.
I started with what I thought would be my best shot, the libertarians. Jerry Taylor, a fellow for the Cato Institute, unfortunately, called the proposal a "holiday from reality."
"What would happen more likely than not, gas taxes would be cut, but pump prices wouldn't go down, service stations would just continue charging what they are charging," he said. "I'm a Libertarian and I don't mind that. But you might not be a Libertarian and you might believe the federal treasury needs that money... Now if this were a permanent reduction of the tax, I would be all for it."
Alright, one "no." Perhaps the free-marketers would be of a different ilk. I was wrong.
"I think it is close to political pandering," said Max Schulz, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. "It is bad policy and political gimmickry. If you want to deliver relief to folks you have to do more than just this little holiday from the gas tax. You have to address what is driving the price of crude oil, even problems with the weak dollar. You aren't going to win any points doing that, however. But you will get points if you get up and say let's suspend the gas tax for a few months... I never have seen the wisdom of playing gimmicks games of the tax code."
Who, I asked, would favor the proposal? "Political advisers to candidates," was Schulz's response. "It is entirely due to the focus of the presidential election coinciding with the summer."
From Schulz, I moved on to the conservative crowd. But Ken Green, an energy expert for the American Enterprise Institute, ended up being similarly dismissive.
"There would be economic sense in eliminating the gas tax completely and replacing it with tolls. That would make sense," he said, "but if you remove the tax now, the things being funded with the money will still need funds. Or it will be funded with taxpayer's dollars from other things. So it will be less at the pump and more in your tax bill."
He went on: "All of these candidates claim to be environmentally conscious people, so what do they want to do? Lower the cost of driving in the summer time when it is the highest demand in the first place."
"I'm afraid," he summarized, "that your record is going to be unbroken in terms of finding someone who will like this idea."
Sigh. I tried my hand with the progressive wing of the ideological spectrum. There too, however, the idea of a gas-tax holiday was dismissed as ineffectual and publicity-driven.
Bob Sussman, an energy analyst with the Center for American Progress, and, for full disclosure, a supporter of Barack Obama, saw little benefit or popularity to either Clinton or McCain's proposal.
"Rather than indiscriminately suspending the gas tax, if we have a revenue source here to help people in need, we out to target the money to people who really need it. And if you suspend the gas tax you are giving a small break to every body instead of a significant break to the people pinched by the high prices," he said. "They might appreciate a small economic break. But I haven't heard anyone clamoring for this."
But Sussman offered a glimmer of hope. He suggested I might be able to find support from transportation workers, unions and organizations.
So I tracked down Roger Tauss, the International Vice President for the Transport Worker's Union, which supports Obama but would, nevertheless, stick to its issues. The results were more of the same.
"It is crazy," he said. "There is a bunch of different reason it is crazy and all the economist are saying it is nuts. First of all it is pocket change and it doesn't do anything short term. It will just put more money in the oil companies pockets. It is typical Washington beltway crap. It is just like typical. They make a big fight over a small, nothing issue, and nothing will ever get done."
Finally, I got a quote from Robert Shapiro, formerly the undersecretary of commerce in the Clinton administration and the author of "Futurecast." An independent voice with ties to the former first lady, however, did not give the expected results.
"Stated as clearly as I can," he wrote, "it's utterly misguided both environmentally and economically. Environmentally, it does actual harm, since it reduces the price of producing greenhouse gases. And economically it's trivial or worse -- by reducing the price of driving it encourages more of it, thereby increasing demand for gasoline, which inevitably pushes the price back up - the consumer gains nothing, and the oil companies and OPEC collect the extra bucks instead of the government."
UPDATE: Even the American Trucking Association, the group the Clinton camp says is most favorable to it's idea, offers a tepid thanks but no thanks. From the group's spokesperson:
ATA appreciates the effort and supports the proposals. But we do have concerns that any fuel tax suspension proposal could damage the already ailing Highway Trust Fund. To the extent that McCain and Snowe's proposals use general revenue funds to offset the hit to the trust fund, that concern is addressed. ATA did not ask for this legislation. And we believe it is only a very short term answer that does not do anything to address the longer term issue of rising fuel prices. ATA recognizes that rising fuel costs have a disproportionate impact on small trucking companies where even a small savings can be the difference in their staying in business.
Clinton, it should be noted, would not pay for the tax break from the Highway Trust Funds. But the message seems the same: this is not the answer needed.
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Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 2, 2008 9:12 AM
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» It's cotton candy for the starving.
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» Heroin, not cotton candy
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» RE: A good sound bite though
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» RE: A good sound bite though
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» RE: A good sound bite though
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» have a little compassion
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» RE: A good sound bite though - The fact is, prices will rise
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» How about?
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» RE: How about?
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» RE: A good sound bite though
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» RE: A good sound bite though
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» RE: A good sound bite though
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Posted by: ZoneStar on May 2, 2008 10:26 AM
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» RE: disappointing
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 2, 2008 10:51 AM
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I can believe it of a Repug, but gosh darn it, Hillary, can't you even pretend to be a Democrat?
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Posted by: kahuna44 on May 2, 2008 11:07 AM
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I’m not sure how she figures that leaving the tax in place advantages the oil companies. (Maybe, unlike Bill, Hillary does inhale.) It seems to me that if the tax was eliminated that the oil companies could charge more for gas since the tax if repealed would lower the price of gas at the pump. Since the consumer is now used to paying higher pricess oil companies would simply increase the price of fuel at the pump. While it may not increase 100% of the tax amount gas would inevitably increase resulting in more revenue for oil producers/distributors. Regardless of what effect the tax holiday might have on gas prices, it seems that consumers and voters are ultimately the losers since it would reduce funding used to maintain and improve infrastructure. This is yet another example of a deferred tax obligation and someone will get stuck with it in the future. This is another attempt to buy votes from the public. While we might expect this of Senator McCain, all I can say is shame on Senator Clinton for stooping to this level. Does she think voters are idiots?
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» RE: Gas tax does not make sense -YES IF YOU ARE NOT THE ONE IN NEED
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» RE: Gas tax does not make sense - Clinton's argument is illogical
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Posted by: foreverhope on May 2, 2008 11:27 AM
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» and another thing.....
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» RE: Is this a rebate? Not really ...a reality that there is a need
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» B.S.!
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» But the need will still be there after the "tax holiday" ends
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» RE: Is this a rebate? Not really ...a reality that there is a need
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on May 2, 2008 12:15 PM
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That's what Clinton and McCain are pandering to. The LCD. The vast majority of their followers are not interested in gathering facts, digesting them, and coming to thoughtful conclusions.
Their followers want to be spoonfed. They have no interest in reading. They listen to Faux News (McCain) or the MSM (Hillary) to get their news. Thus, they have no idea what's really up with regard to a serious drop in that tax.
They don't have a clue that their potholes might not get filled, or that the rural road they depend on might not get fixed, or that the bridge that's ready to fall won't get repaired.
They only want a soundbite.
That is why BUBBAH CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
Bubbah Sixpack can't rub two brain cells together to make sense of this issue because Bubbah Sixpack is too busy getting wasted at the end of a long day.
Yet, sadly, that demographic - the LCD - is what is most likely going to elect the next President.
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» RE: LCD
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» Now, this is truly elitist B.S. Wall Street is the threat, not "Bubba"
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» RE: Now, this is truly elitist B.S. Wall Street is the threat, not "Bubba"
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» RE: LCD
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 3, 2008 3:38 AM
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Oh, their policies would be different, but both seem to share a similar opinion of the "typical U.S. voter": a stupid rube who can't handle anything more complicated than "low gas prices are good" and who has to be led around by the nose via the use of focus group polling and blatant B.S.
Obama is banking on the American voter being smarter and more intelligent than Hillary or McCain have bargained for. This is an interesting strategy, and it has been paying off - he just has to remember what it was about his campaign that got people motivated.
The main enemy here is not Hillary Clinton, or even John McCain - it is the many-tentacled octopus of the U.S. corporate press, which is working overtime to control the outcome of the election - and yes, the press would prefer a McCain or a Hillary presidency - they have a long record of bending over for large corporate interests that Obama just can't match.
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» Obama is no different; sold us out to the max
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» RE: but Obama is different ...
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» Your post can be summed as: more good reasons to vote for Obama.
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» RE: but Obama is different ...
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» Does anyone care that our highways.....
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Posted by: luciennh on May 3, 2008 4:03 AM
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"Beware of Wolve's in Sheeps clothing". Hillary Clinton will tell you what pleases your ego and put her arms around your children...but see what she tried to do more than a decade ago, but was "stopped". Yes, she WILL garnish our paychecks with her Mandatory Healthcare plan. No Freedom of choice.
Just check the 1996 bill submitted to congress by Hillary Clinton and look who saved all America's butts, which includes all our children. Please learn the truth:
Hillary"s Records
Hillary Congressional Records
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» RE: and Obama.... Wants to Run Our Nation?
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» You are grasping at straws....
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» RE: Windfall Profits Tax NO JOKE
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» Howbout a good solid anti-trust suit?
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» RE: Windfall Profits Tax NO JOKE
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Posted by: niliadis on May 3, 2008 5:34 AM
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Yes even if you think its little money, but it just may be a little break for people that are hurting.That only go back and forth from home to work and back and can not take thier child or children to a nice park to have a picnic becasue that extra gallon is a burdon-To be expected from The Huffington Post,,Arian a poor little girl from a village in Greece that married a Gay Millionair who truned out to be a wonderful man and the Mrs Ariana Huffington has forgotten her poverty past!
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» excuse me?
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» "A Little Break"
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» RE: stein-Huffington Post-Yes rediculous if you don't need
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» Crumbling infrastructure????
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» RE: Crumbling bridges and preferential govt contracts
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Posted by: bbfmail on May 3, 2008 5:33 AM
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Gas tax holiday: McCain, Hillary support it, Obama changes his mind
posted at 8:50 am on April 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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John McCain wants to give consumers a break this summer by suspending the federal gas tax. Hillary Clinton says she supports that plan. Barack Obama, despite having supported a similar tax “holiday” in Illinois, now says he’ll oppose it. Apparently, gas prices haven’t gone high enough, even though they were less than half of today’s price in 2000 when he supported it:
In a new policy split in the presidential campaign, Barack Obama opposed a federal gas-tax holiday supported by John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. Hillary Clinton said she would be open to the tax break.
Sen. Obama, who voted for a temporary gas-tax break when he was a state senator in Illinois, rejected a federal tax holiday as bad fiscal policy. The federal gas tax raises money to repair and expand the highway system.
In Illinois in 2000, Sen. Obama voted for a six-month, five-percentage point break on the state’s 6.25% gas sales tax. The reduction of the tax, which goes into a general revenue fund, passed on a 55-1 vote and included measures designed to ensure that the benefits of the tax break reached consumers. At one point, Sen. Obama jokingly asked on the Senate floor whether it would be possible to install placards on gas-station pumps telling motorists he had helped win temporary price relief.
When some state legislators tried to make the suspension permanent before it expired, Sen. Obama spoke out against that measure but defended his vote for the holiday, according to transcripts posted on the legislature’s Web site.
“I originally voted for the suspension because I thought that it was extraordinary circumstances, given the huge hike in prices,” he said at the time. Gas prices averaged $1.52 a gallon in March 2000.
Hey, if we put up placards at the pump that give Obama the credit, will he vote for it this time? And could he come up with a more foolish explanation of his opposition? Did he and his campaign think that no one would go back and check the 2000 price to see how it compares to 2008?
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» A Leader is someone who can learn from earlier mistakes...
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» It worked in Illinois, but it would not work nationwide. Here's why.
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» lousy logic
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» Small Potatoes
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Posted by: Dirtman on May 3, 2008 7:33 AM
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Why I say that is how you beleive either of these two can wave their magic wands and bring down any tax.
Think people!!!
This is a federal tax and was passed by congress. It would take a bill passed by both houses of our do nothing dems and repugs to lower any tax. Even if they did a hurry up bill and it got through the two, the dimwit sitting in the oval office would surely veto it.
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Posted by: taxidriver on May 3, 2008 7:34 AM
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It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
Thanks, McInsane and Shillary!
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» Or a Navy expression
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Posted by: Quasar on May 3, 2008 8:04 AM
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Pay attention folks: this is one of the those moments. Don't just live it. Sear it in your brain.
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Posted by: Phred42 on May 3, 2008 8:16 AM
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and after all of that support and praise for McCain from both Clinton's........
too depressing for words.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 3, 2008 8:23 AM
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Why allow Exxon-Mobil to bring America to it's knees..?
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» RE: Nationalize the American Oil Companies..!
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» It won't help
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 3, 2008 9:49 AM
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One word for those looking to cash in on the next big thing:
Bicycles.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 10:38 AM
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Whatever happened to "shared sacrifice"?
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Posted by: e rice on May 3, 2008 10:57 AM
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it was estimated that the lost revenue would be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. in a state already in debt.
why a summer tax suspension? maybe because the corporations who own hotel chains, and restaurants, and theme parks don't want to lose any revenue if people stay home? maybe because the oil companies don't want to lose profits because people would use less gasoline? after all, the suggestion is only about taxes, not the price the oil companies charge.
who cares if the school budgets are cut, or the roads continue to deteriorate? who cares that state and local funds for such uninimportant services such as law enforcement are cut to pay for the rebates? who bothers to consider using the oil reserves?
as long as politicians can appeal to the short-sighted and self-involved.
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Posted by: 60sretread on May 3, 2008 11:04 AM
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Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 12:13 PM
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At least it was for me, a 72-year-old Vietnam veteran and lifelong registered Republican.
Should the Karaoke Candidate (Hillary) steal the Democratic nomination, there is no way I would vote for her in November. NO f-cking way!
At the same time, it is my responsibility as a U.S. citizen to participate in the general election. So rather than leave the president selection entry vacant on my ballot, I will write in Barack's name and exit the polling place with my integrity intact.
Hillary fans will argue that if enough Obama supporters followed my suggestion, Senator McCain might win the White House. Perhaps. But it is also possible that Obama could win as well, albeit against extremely long odds.
More importantly, with Obama supporters voting for Democrats in the Senate and House of Representatives, Congress could receive veto-proof majorities that would nullify the adverse affects of a McCain presidency -- and Hillary's as well. Such as nuking Iran which McCain and Hillary appear willing to do, but not Barack.
Finally, an Obama write-in campaign would keep his change revolution alive -- the only thing that can save America from the politics of greed.
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Posted by: macdon1 on May 3, 2008 2:28 PM
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» stop slandering marie antoinette
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Posted by: Miki on May 3, 2008 3:08 PM
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The first day in heaven is all harps and singing and it's peaceful and, well, boring.
The next day, the devil welcomes them to hell, and his minions are having a party. There's champagne fountains and beautiful buffets. All day, the devil was smooth talking both of them, extoling the virtues of hell: the work hours, the ban on singing, the freedoms to cuss and lie and cheat...after all it's all no big deal. They'll have a nice place in hell.
On the third day, Peter asks them to decide, and they both say, well, heaven was nice...but, it looked pretty good in hell. McCain adds he doesn't think that he could stand not cussing for eternity.
Peter sends them on the elevator express, and when the door opens...it's fire and brimstone and people screaming in agony.
Stunned, they both ask what happened? The devil says, "Well, yesterday we were campaigning."
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Moral of the story: Hell will always be a politician's choice as long as money and power are their gods.
We all have to wake up, especially you niliadis. A small tax break isn't gonna help a woman who rides public transportation...you think the bus or subway company is gonna "holiday" the cost of her ticket, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or not?
Time is coming to have to really deal with the devil called oil, and it won't be pretty.
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Posted by: raywigton on May 3, 2008 5:19 PM
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We got here because of bad energy policy and that isn't going to change over an election day. It will take years to get the gas hogs off the road. We had 40-MPG cars in the late 70's but they didn't accelerate as well so the gas hogs came back. Gas was cheap but we all knew the supply was limited. It's not limited the way that you think it is, but it is limited. We must have wondered when China and India and other developing countries would start consuming their share? Ford scrapped the electric plug-in vehicle and recalled all (except one) of the production models. Toyota refused to make a plug-in hybrid for the American market. GM was once the biggest company on Earth but they haven't done anything intelligent in 40 years. Let's work on the solutions and not be fooled by an election year gimmick to sway ignorant voters.
P.S. Don't ever call a black man an elitist. --Just think about it.
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» I'll match it and raise them $20!
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» and short-sighted
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» RE: SCREW ALL OF OF YOU
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» right back atcha
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Posted by: Joe on May 4, 2008 5:40 AM
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Posted by: worksg1 on May 4, 2008 9:16 AM
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Rather, we must change our behavior and begin car pooling, using public transportation, bicycling and walking, and combining trips. Higher gas prices are the only thing that will get us to do these things.
We need leaders who will explain this to the public and raise gas taxes, not lower them. Anything less will only make the pain worse in the long run.
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» because they've been well paid not to
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Posted by: gabbyone on May 5, 2008 7:35 PM
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with a solution to a major problem they have....gas costs. One lady told me she would save $40 a month because of how far she and her spouse has to drive to work every day. This may not seem like a lot to wealthy people but this would buy a lot of lunch food for my kids she said. People knew it wouldn't pass Congress, but guess what the other candidate had not even tried to come up with an idea to help them. They see the rich getting more and more breaks all the time, but they see no one trying to do anything for them and this attempt was not pandering to them but noticing and caring that they had a problem. If Obama had said, I don't think this will work, I wish it could, I'd like to help.....but what did he do.
He attacked and made fun of Hillary for the idea. Just as all of you are. Interestingly this idea was one that Obama had actually supported in Illinois and voted for in 2000. You all make fun of Hillary Clinton and trash her but you know what she gets it and the people that are supporting her get that she understands what is going on in their lives.
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Posted by: jam on May 6, 2008 10:16 PM
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Her anti-green tax break will stampede Oregon's delegates into Obama's camp -- and for what exactly?
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Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 2, 2008 9:12 AM
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» It's cotton candy for the starving.
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» Heroin, not cotton candy
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Posted by: ZoneStar on May 2, 2008 10:26 AM
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 2, 2008 10:51 AM
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I can believe it of a Repug, but gosh darn it, Hillary, can't you even pretend to be a Democrat?
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Posted by: kahuna44 on May 2, 2008 11:07 AM
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I’m not sure how she figures that leaving the tax in place advantages the oil companies. (Maybe, unlike Bill, Hillary does inhale.) It seems to me that if the tax was eliminated that the oil companies could charge more for gas since the tax if repealed would lower the price of gas at the pump. Since the consumer is now used to paying higher pricess oil companies would simply increase the price of fuel at the pump. While it may not increase 100% of the tax amount gas would inevitably increase resulting in more revenue for oil producers/distributors. Regardless of what effect the tax holiday might have on gas prices, it seems that consumers and voters are ultimately the losers since it would reduce funding used to maintain and improve infrastructure. This is yet another example of a deferred tax obligation and someone will get stuck with it in the future. This is another attempt to buy votes from the public. While we might expect this of Senator McCain, all I can say is shame on Senator Clinton for stooping to this level. Does she think voters are idiots?
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Posted by: foreverhope on May 2, 2008 11:27 AM
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» and another thing.....
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» RE: Is this a rebate? Not really ...a reality that there is a need
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» B.S.!
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» But the need will still be there after the "tax holiday" ends
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on May 2, 2008 12:15 PM
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That's what Clinton and McCain are pandering to. The LCD. The vast majority of their followers are not interested in gathering facts, digesting them, and coming to thoughtful conclusions.
Their followers want to be spoonfed. They have no interest in reading. They listen to Faux News (McCain) or the MSM (Hillary) to get their news. Thus, they have no idea what's really up with regard to a serious drop in that tax.
They don't have a clue that their potholes might not get filled, or that the rural road they depend on might not get fixed, or that the bridge that's ready to fall won't get repaired.
They only want a soundbite.
That is why BUBBAH CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
Bubbah Sixpack can't rub two brain cells together to make sense of this issue because Bubbah Sixpack is too busy getting wasted at the end of a long day.
Yet, sadly, that demographic - the LCD - is what is most likely going to elect the next President.
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» Now, this is truly elitist B.S. Wall Street is the threat, not "Bubba"
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 3, 2008 3:38 AM
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Oh, their policies would be different, but both seem to share a similar opinion of the "typical U.S. voter": a stupid rube who can't handle anything more complicated than "low gas prices are good" and who has to be led around by the nose via the use of focus group polling and blatant B.S.
Obama is banking on the American voter being smarter and more intelligent than Hillary or McCain have bargained for. This is an interesting strategy, and it has been paying off - he just has to remember what it was about his campaign that got people motivated.
The main enemy here is not Hillary Clinton, or even John McCain - it is the many-tentacled octopus of the U.S. corporate press, which is working overtime to control the outcome of the election - and yes, the press would prefer a McCain or a Hillary presidency - they have a long record of bending over for large corporate interests that Obama just can't match.
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» Your post can be summed as: more good reasons to vote for Obama.
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» Does anyone care that our highways.....
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Posted by: luciennh on May 3, 2008 4:03 AM
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"Beware of Wolve's in Sheeps clothing". Hillary Clinton will tell you what pleases your ego and put her arms around your children...but see what she tried to do more than a decade ago, but was "stopped". Yes, she WILL garnish our paychecks with her Mandatory Healthcare plan. No Freedom of choice.
Just check the 1996 bill submitted to congress by Hillary Clinton and look who saved all America's butts, which includes all our children. Please learn the truth:
Hillary"s Records
Hillary Congressional Records
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Posted by: niliadis on May 3, 2008 5:34 AM
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Yes even if you think its little money, but it just may be a little break for people that are hurting.That only go back and forth from home to work and back and can not take thier child or children to a nice park to have a picnic becasue that extra gallon is a burdon-To be expected from The Huffington Post,,Arian a poor little girl from a village in Greece that married a Gay Millionair who truned out to be a wonderful man and the Mrs Ariana Huffington has forgotten her poverty past!
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» excuse me?
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» "A Little Break"
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» Crumbling infrastructure????
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Posted by: bbfmail on May 3, 2008 5:33 AM
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Gas tax holiday: McCain, Hillary support it, Obama changes his mind
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John McCain wants to give consumers a break this summer by suspending the federal gas tax. Hillary Clinton says she supports that plan. Barack Obama, despite having supported a similar tax “holiday” in Illinois, now says he’ll oppose it. Apparently, gas prices haven’t gone high enough, even though they were less than half of today’s price in 2000 when he supported it:
In a new policy split in the presidential campaign, Barack Obama opposed a federal gas-tax holiday supported by John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. Hillary Clinton said she would be open to the tax break.
Sen. Obama, who voted for a temporary gas-tax break when he was a state senator in Illinois, rejected a federal tax holiday as bad fiscal policy. The federal gas tax raises money to repair and expand the highway system.
In Illinois in 2000, Sen. Obama voted for a six-month, five-percentage point break on the state’s 6.25% gas sales tax. The reduction of the tax, which goes into a general revenue fund, passed on a 55-1 vote and included measures designed to ensure that the benefits of the tax break reached consumers. At one point, Sen. Obama jokingly asked on the Senate floor whether it would be possible to install placards on gas-station pumps telling motorists he had helped win temporary price relief.
When some state legislators tried to make the suspension permanent before it expired, Sen. Obama spoke out against that measure but defended his vote for the holiday, according to transcripts posted on the legislature’s Web site.
“I originally voted for the suspension because I thought that it was extraordinary circumstances, given the huge hike in prices,” he said at the time. Gas prices averaged $1.52 a gallon in March 2000.
Hey, if we put up placards at the pump that give Obama the credit, will he vote for it this time? And could he come up with a more foolish explanation of his opposition? Did he and his campaign think that no one would go back and check the 2000 price to see how it compares to 2008?
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» It worked in Illinois, but it would not work nationwide. Here's why.
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» lousy logic
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Posted by: Dirtman on May 3, 2008 7:33 AM
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Why I say that is how you beleive either of these two can wave their magic wands and bring down any tax.
Think people!!!
This is a federal tax and was passed by congress. It would take a bill passed by both houses of our do nothing dems and repugs to lower any tax. Even if they did a hurry up bill and it got through the two, the dimwit sitting in the oval office would surely veto it.
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Posted by: taxidriver on May 3, 2008 7:34 AM
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It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
Thanks, McInsane and Shillary!
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Posted by: Quasar on May 3, 2008 8:04 AM
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Pay attention folks: this is one of the those moments. Don't just live it. Sear it in your brain.
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Posted by: Phred42 on May 3, 2008 8:16 AM
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and after all of that support and praise for McCain from both Clinton's........
too depressing for words.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 3, 2008 8:23 AM
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Why allow Exxon-Mobil to bring America to it's knees..?
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 3, 2008 9:49 AM
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One word for those looking to cash in on the next big thing:
Bicycles.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 10:38 AM
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Whatever happened to "shared sacrifice"?
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Posted by: e rice on May 3, 2008 10:57 AM
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it was estimated that the lost revenue would be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. in a state already in debt.
why a summer tax suspension? maybe because the corporations who own hotel chains, and restaurants, and theme parks don't want to lose any revenue if people stay home? maybe because the oil companies don't want to lose profits because people would use less gasoline? after all, the suggestion is only about taxes, not the price the oil companies charge.
who cares if the school budgets are cut, or the roads continue to deteriorate? who cares that state and local funds for such uninimportant services such as law enforcement are cut to pay for the rebates? who bothers to consider using the oil reserves?
as long as politicians can appeal to the short-sighted and self-involved.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 12:13 PM
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At least it was for me, a 72-year-old Vietnam veteran and lifelong registered Republican.
Should the Karaoke Candidate (Hillary) steal the Democratic nomination, there is no way I would vote for her in November. NO f-cking way!
At the same time, it is my responsibility as a U.S. citizen to participate in the general election. So rather than leave the president selection entry vacant on my ballot, I will write in Barack's name and exit the polling place with my integrity intact.
Hillary fans will argue that if enough Obama supporters followed my suggestion, Senator McCain might win the White House. Perhaps. But it is also possible that Obama could win as well, albeit against extremely long odds.
More importantly, with Obama supporters voting for Democrats in the Senate and House of Representatives, Congress could receive veto-proof majorities that would nullify the adverse affects of a McCain presidency -- and Hillary's as well. Such as nuking Iran which McCain and Hillary appear willing to do, but not Barack.
Finally, an Obama write-in campaign would keep his change revolution alive -- the only thing that can save America from the politics of greed.
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Posted by: Miki on May 3, 2008 3:08 PM
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The first day in heaven is all harps and singing and it's peaceful and, well, boring.
The next day, the devil welcomes them to hell, and his minions are having a party. There's champagne fountains and beautiful buffets. All day, the devil was smooth talking both of them, extoling the virtues of hell: the work hours, the ban on singing, the freedoms to cuss and lie and cheat...after all it's all no big deal. They'll have a nice place in hell.
On the third day, Peter asks them to decide, and they both say, well, heaven was nice...but, it looked pretty good in hell. McCain adds he doesn't think that he could stand not cussing for eternity.
Peter sends them on the elevator express, and when the door opens...it's fire and brimstone and people screaming in agony.
Stunned, they both ask what happened? The devil says, "Well, yesterday we were campaigning."
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Moral of the story: Hell will always be a politician's choice as long as money and power are their gods.
We all have to wake up, especially you niliadis. A small tax break isn't gonna help a woman who rides public transportation...you think the bus or subway company is gonna "holiday" the cost of her ticket, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or not?
Time is coming to have to really deal with the devil called oil, and it won't be pretty.
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Posted by: raywigton on May 3, 2008 5:19 PM
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We got here because of bad energy policy and that isn't going to change over an election day. It will take years to get the gas hogs off the road. We had 40-MPG cars in the late 70's but they didn't accelerate as well so the gas hogs came back. Gas was cheap but we all knew the supply was limited. It's not limited the way that you think it is, but it is limited. We must have wondered when China and India and other developing countries would start consuming their share? Ford scrapped the electric plug-in vehicle and recalled all (except one) of the production models. Toyota refused to make a plug-in hybrid for the American market. GM was once the biggest company on Earth but they haven't done anything intelligent in 40 years. Let's work on the solutions and not be fooled by an election year gimmick to sway ignorant voters.
P.S. Don't ever call a black man an elitist. --Just think about it.
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Posted by: Joe on May 4, 2008 5:40 AM
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Posted by: worksg1 on May 4, 2008 9:16 AM
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Rather, we must change our behavior and begin car pooling, using public transportation, bicycling and walking, and combining trips. Higher gas prices are the only thing that will get us to do these things.
We need leaders who will explain this to the public and raise gas taxes, not lower them. Anything less will only make the pain worse in the long run.
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» because they've been well paid not to
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Posted by: gabbyone on May 5, 2008 7:35 PM
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with a solution to a major problem they have....gas costs. One lady told me she would save $40 a month because of how far she and her spouse has to drive to work every day. This may not seem like a lot to wealthy people but this would buy a lot of lunch food for my kids she said. People knew it wouldn't pass Congress, but guess what the other candidate had not even tried to come up with an idea to help them. They see the rich getting more and more breaks all the time, but they see no one trying to do anything for them and this attempt was not pandering to them but noticing and caring that they had a problem. If Obama had said, I don't think this will work, I wish it could, I'd like to help.....but what did he do.
He attacked and made fun of Hillary for the idea. Just as all of you are. Interestingly this idea was one that Obama had actually supported in Illinois and voted for in 2000. You all make fun of Hillary Clinton and trash her but you know what she gets it and the people that are supporting her get that she understands what is going on in their lives.
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Posted by: jam on May 6, 2008 10:16 PM
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Her anti-green tax break will stampede Oregon's delegates into Obama's camp -- and for what exactly?
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