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Election 2008

Clinton Slammed Democratic Activists and MoveOn at Private Fundraiser

By Celeste Fremon, Huffington Post. Posted April 18, 2008.


At a closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Clinton blamed what she called the "activist base" of the Dem Party for electoral defeats.
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At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the "activist base" of the Democratic Party -- and MoveOn.org in particular -- for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had "flooded" state caucuses and "intimidated" her supporters, according to an audio recording [listen here] of the event obtained by The Huffington Post.

"Moveon.org endorsed [Sen. Barack Obama] -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

Senator Clinton's remarks depart radically from the traditional position of presidential candidates who in the past have celebrated high levels of turnout by party activists and partisans as a harbinger for their own party's success -- regardless of who is the eventual nominee -- in the general election showdown.

The comments also contradict Clinton's previous statements praising this year's elevated Democratic turnout in primaries and caucuses, and appear to blame her caucus defeats on newly energized grassroots voter groups that she has lauded in the past as "lively participants" in American democracy.

"You've been asking the tough questions," Clinton said in April of last year at a MoveOn.org sponsored Virtual Townhall. "You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up to the standards that we should set for ourselves ... I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better... both online, and in the corridors of power."

Senator Clinton's criticism followed MoveOn's endorsement of Barack Obama in early February.

In a statement to The Huffington Post, MoveOn's Executive Director Eli Pariser reacted strongly to Clinton's remarks: "Senator Clinton has her facts wrong again. MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan, and we set the record straight years ago when Karl Rove made the same claim. Senator Clinton's attack on our members is divisive at a time when Democrats will soon need to unify to beat Senator McCain. MoveOn is 3.2 million reliable voters and volunteers who are an important part of any winning Democratic coalition in November. They deserve better than to be dismissed using Republican talking points."

Howard Wolfson, communications director for the Clinton campaign, verified the authenticity of the audio. When asked if Clinton's statement suggested dismay over high Democratic turnout and elevated activist energy, Wolfson replied: "I'll let the statement stand as is." But he elaborated on Clinton's charge that these same party activists were engaged in acts of intimidation against her supporters: "There have been well documented instances of intimidation in the Nevada and the Texas caucuses, and it is a fact that while we have won 4 of the 5 largest primaries, where participation is greatest, Senator Obama has done better in caucuses than we have."

The disclosure of Clinton's remarks disparaging the prominence of party activists in the caucus process comes after she repeatedly suggested that Obama's electability had been compromised because he had allegedly offended other key Democratic constituencies.

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This story was developed in cooperation with OffTheBus to which reporter Celeste Fremon is a regular contributor.

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Want Some Cheese
Posted by: desidid on Apr 18, 2008 4:27 PM   
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with that Whine Hillary. "If you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen!" isn't that what you said Mrs. Clinton?

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Who's divisive
Posted by: Donna_Darko on Apr 18, 2008 4:51 PM   
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"Senator Clinton's attack on our members is divisive at a time when Democrats will soon need to unify to beat Senator McCain."

No one's won the nomination. Moveon is divisive by endorsing a candidate for it's 3.2 members. Many are no longer members because they're not Obama supporters. Who's divisive?

"MoveOn is 3.2 million reliable voters and volunteers who are an important part of any winning Democratic coalition in November. They deserve better than to be dismissed using Republican talking points."

You sound like a pod person. Do you still have 3.2 million members? Obama used more Republican talking points than Clinton both against Clinton and as a part of his political philosophy. Who's the Democrat and who's divisive?

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» RE: Who's divisive Posted by: 23skidoo
Who's the Democrat?
Posted by: Donna_Darko on Apr 18, 2008 4:53 PM   
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And Clinton is right about the netroots. Middle-class, white males should not represent the electorate which is mostly female and working class.

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» RE: Who's the Democrat? Posted by: 23skidoo
I see by the above comments ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 18, 2008 5:02 PM   
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the Shrillary dead enders are trying to defend Clinton's BS in any way they can.

Desperation is a terrible motivation.

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more proof
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Apr 18, 2008 5:20 PM   
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that she is a lying bitch. and not fit to be president. I belong to moveon and I am tired of the kind of crap that comes out of the democratic party. sorry hillary it just won't cut it anymore

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How Can Anyone Support Her?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Apr 18, 2008 7:01 PM   
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It amazes me that so many people cannot see that Hillary Clinton is a narcissistic personality disorder. She is a pathological liar, divisive, devious, vicious and ruthless. She accuses Obama, who attends an inner-city church, of being elitist while herself participating in an ultra-elite, secretive, far right wing religious outfit. She sat on Wal-Mart's board while it screwed unions, workers and small businesses. She and Bill rented out the Lincoln Bedroom to the highest bidder and their much-vaunted economic policies actually benefited only the top quintile. Her election, if she could win against McCain at all, would signal more partisan bickering, hardball politics and triangulation. This is not what we need.

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» RE: How Can Anyone Support Her? Posted by: tommyjonq
Jack
Posted by: Jackdemocracy08 on Apr 30, 2008 4:18 AM   
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As Sen. Hillary Clinton has ‘managed’ to take the Pennsylvania state, the Democratic race for nomination is very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates. Nevertheless.. Indiana ,Idaho and West Virginia are still to come.

If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, http://www.lobbydelegates.com enables you to do that. please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Obama in office?!

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Clinton Supporters too …. !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?!

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...

REALLY easy to identify the superdelegates and reach out to them! It includes a list of names, addresses, and affiliations of superdelegates from each state including your state

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