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Election 2008

What Does 9/11 Have to Do with 60's Radicals? Ask Hillary Clinton

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted April 18, 2008.


Behind the scenes, Hillary Clinton's campaign has been pushing a tenuous connection between Barack Obama and a Vietnam-era radical.
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While nearly all politicians shade the truth now and then, some utterly disdain the truth, a category that includes George W. Bush and increasingly Hillary Clinton, as she made clear again in Wednesday night's debate on the strange topic of Vietnam-era Weather Underground leader William Ayers.

Since last year, the Clinton campaign has been pushing the supposed Ayers connection to Barack Obama as an attack "theme" to take down his candidacy. But Clinton went even further in the debate suggesting that Ayers had reveled in the 9/11 attacks -- a false claim clearly meant to inflame Americans against Obama.

Ayers, now a graying college English professor living in Chicago, did support Obama's state senate campaign and served with Obama on a board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a philanthropy that gives out grants aimed at alleviating poverty.

I first heard this Ayers connection from a Clinton operative in December when it already was circulating in media circles. However, mainstream journalists generally dismissed it as a cheap-shot case of guilt by a tenuous association. It got little traction.

But Clinton surrogates didn't give up, taking the Ayers attack line to right-wing talk radio and the Internet where it was kept alive. The Clinton's campaign's doggedness was rewarded as the issue surfaced prominently in Wednesday night 's debate in Philadelphia.

ABC News moderator George Stephanopoulos, whose national career was launched when he served as a top spokesman for President Bill Clinton, framed the Ayers question much as the Clinton campaign and the right-wing media have, suggesting some dangerous association between Obama and a mad bomber.

Stephanopoulos even suggested that Ayers had taken pleasure in the 9/11 attacks, saying: "In fact, on 9/11 he was quoted in the New York Times saying, 'I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough.'"

Obama was left protesting how the ABC moderators were conducting a debate largely devoid of policy substance and focused on silly distractions.

"The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George," Obama responded.

"So this kind of game, in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, is somehow -- somehow their ideas could be attributed to me - I think the American people are smarter than that. They're not going to suggest somehow that that is reflective of my views, because it obviously isn't."

Piling on

At this point, Sen. Clinton could have demurred, but instead chose to pile on. (After all, her campaign has been flogging this theme for months behind the scenes.) She also couldn't resist pushing the 9/11 hot button.

"If I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this [Wood Fund of Chicago] board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died," Clinton said.

In her comments, Clinton created the clear impression that Ayers had either hailed the 9/11 attacks or used the 9/11 tragedy as a ghoulish opportunity to suggest that more bombings were desirable.

But none of that is true. The offensive comment that Clinton and Stephanopoulos referred to was from an interview about a memoir that Ayers published earlier in 2001. The comment was included in a New York Times article that appeared in the newspaper's Sept. 11, 2001, edition.

As Sen. Clinton and Stephanopoulos surely know, that edition went to press on Sept. 10, hours before the 9/11 attacks. In other words, the Ayers comment had no relationship to the 9/11 attacks.

What Clinton and Stephanopoulos did was what lawyers refer to as "prejudicial" -- they introduced an emotional component, 9/11, in a deceptive way to elicit a visceral reaction from those listening.

"I'm going to have to respond to this just really quickly," Obama said after Clinton finished. "By Sen. Clinton's own vetting standards, I don't think she would make it, since President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act."

After the debate, the New York Times published a fact-checking article that noted the time discrepancies between Ayers's comment and 9/11:

"Mr. Ayers did not make the remarks after the attacks on the World Trade Center that day. The interview had been conducted earlier, in connection with a memoir that he had published, Fugitive Days, and he was referring to his experience in the Weather Underground."

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By George!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 18, 2008 1:46 AM   
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"Senator Obama, who is more patriotic: you or Reverend Wright?"

Congratulations to George Stephanopoulos for asking the stupidest question thus far in this campaign.

Honestly, all one has to do is to watch a videotape of the 1960 Kennedy/Nixon debate to be shaken awake as to how dumbed down America'a national political conversation has become in the forty-eight years since. The other night's debate was beyond embarrasing - it was an utter disgrace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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9/11 Carny Dance
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Apr 18, 2008 3:02 AM   
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For any candidate to invoke 9/11 as other than the false-flag coverup it is now proven to be is one transparent travesty.

This entire episode was pumped up over a "prejudicial" pack of lies by a corporate Washington-MSM axis before the Ayers issue was ever "vetted" by anyone.

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Stuck on Stupid Hillary!
Posted by: nobuko on Apr 18, 2008 3:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
To be as smart, and intelligent as People are saying she is, I just can't get over her trying to pull these underhanded, lying, evil attacks!

If I were her, no way, would I bring up anything in someone's closet, especially when its only inuendo's; not facts, just trying to get it out there to discredit Barak; especially when her closet is LOADED with dirt, that can be FACT CHECKED!

Is the woman crazy or what? She needs to shut up and run on issues, these lies she is trying to spread are only hurting her. Talk about "Stuck on Stupid," Hillary gives this statement a new meaning!

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The Philadelphia Debate
Posted by: Friartuck on Apr 18, 2008 4:04 AM   
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I am shocked that ABC has not issued an apology for the worse debate in my 66 yr old memory. How they let the moderators off the hook with the biased moderation to Senator Clinton and attacks on Senator Obama is unbelieveable. Senator Clinton's continued deceptive politics and narcissism are clear indications that she is not fit to be the president. What a sham so-called debate!

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What a party
Posted by: carbon-based on Apr 18, 2008 4:07 AM   
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So what it boils down to is do we really want a party who pardons terrorists, who associates with terrorists, who isnt proud of this nation, who supports pastors condeming rich white America leading our nation!

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If you had a pulse in 1968...
Posted by: jebpgh on Apr 18, 2008 4:08 AM   
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Most of us who worked in progressive causes in Chicago in the 1980's and were active in the 1960's either had ties to SDS or knew lots of folks who did. By Hillary's standard Bobby Rush should be driven from the Democratic Party for being a Black Panther. Hillary herself, as an activist with the Children's Defense Fund should ask Marion Edleman if she ever shared a conversation with Professor Ayers or his wife, Bernadine Doren. By contrast, Barack wasn't even old enough to be in the streets in 1968.

When does the purge start so all of us former SDS members and BPP members and "fellow travelers" of the anti-war movement can realize how the Democratic Party isn't where we belong? They sure made that point in the park in 68, maybe it's time to do it again so we go away and leave the patriotic bastards alone with their correctness.

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The National Enquirer
Posted by: PJAW on Apr 18, 2008 5:00 AM   
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is full of these tenuous "connections" between Barack Obama and all manner of nefarious characters. All are simply innuendos and exemplify the depths to which Clinton and her supporters are willing to sink in their quest for her to be President.

The Enquirer, for those who may not know, is owned and operated by Rupert Murdoch, who has taken up the Clinton cause. Talk about guilt by association, sweet Jesus the hypocrisy knows no limits.

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Is this just nuts, or is it really scary?
Posted by: hagwind on Apr 18, 2008 5:08 AM   
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This is so nuts, and so symptomatic of the sorry state of political debate, campaigning, and news coverage in this country. I have plenty of firsthand experience of "the sixties" (plenty of which took place in the seventies, but I digress . . .), even though I came along fairly late: I graduated from high school in 1969 and was shortly thereafter immersed in the antiwar and student movement in D.C. By then SDS was in disarray in most places -- but there were plenty of radicals around. All kinds of radicals: Catholic left, Quakers, SDS and RYM-2, several varieties of socialist, former members of the Communist Party, and (especially as time went on) several varieties of feminist. If you were involved in organizing any kind of school-wide or city-wide or regional or national action, you knew and worked alongside all kinds of radicals, not to mention pagans, hippies, marijuana-legalization activists, and people who didn't consider themselves radical in the least, like antiwar Democrats and Republicans -- and plenty of people who belonged to more than one category.

It makes me crazy (but please don't pass the Prozac!) when people treat "the sixties" or the antiwar movement or student radicalism as monolithic, and when they assume that all hippies were politicos and all politicos hippies. Nothing that big is monolithic! But this foolishness hits a new low. It's so low I'm not even sure I get it: they're using one former member of the Weather Underground not only to discredit (a) the student movement, and (b) the sixties, but also to suggest a connection between '60s student radicals and "reveling" in the 9/11 attacks?? Have these people never taken Coherent Argument 101? How can they look at themselves in the mirror after they've insinuated this shit on nationwide TV?

You know what's really scary? What's really scary is that the current generation of mass-media commentators seem to have learned all their recent U.S. history -- and maybe all history of everywhere -- from the mass media.

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» Lies, lies and more lies. Posted by: LeftWright
Not crazy, Just Mean and as evil as any of them..
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Apr 18, 2008 5:10 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
She is using every tactic in the republican book to discredit and divide opposition, cast doubt, and cause worry. Who we should worry about is WhiteWater Hillary and her shadow Lewinsky Bill. Sorry, but she is not on the up and up! Bad Hillary, No donut, No Vote....Obama, don't fall into the trap. Voters, do not be divided, UNITY and solidarity is what we need. this is only the beginning of an attempted coup, to be sold as an election. stay with OBAMA every step of the way.

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if the 60's were childs play?
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Apr 18, 2008 5:24 AM   
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It's like propaganda, saying the people were like children and did not know what they were doing. We knew what we were doing. They knew what they were doing. This is the equal to the California attorney general claiming that the voters of Cali did not understand what they were voting on in 1996 when med marijuana won by a large majority. We voters do know what we are doing. Don't let these fake republicans like Hillary try to twist your brain into doubting your own power. They rely on our doubt to get their way. Be strong and undivided.

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George and Hillary
Posted by: divetrader on Apr 18, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Was George S. the right person to conduct the debate? He was part of the Clinton administration. Is it hard to place where his loyalties are placed?

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Hillary has distorted History
Posted by: Bushmaster on Apr 18, 2008 5:54 AM   
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I've read Bill Ayers book 'Fugitive Days' and as soon as I saw what Hillary had quoted him as saying I understood that it had reference to bombings way in the past. In his book, I believe he justified his activities in the bombings he participated in. But there is no relationship at all to 9/11.

This of course has been shown to be what an ordinary person would consider to be lying, and deception, and outright deceit on Clinton's part.

The American people have, for the most part, been traumatized and this trauma is being continually reinforced in their minds by repetition and reminder.

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Republigoons' Delight
Posted by: xvictor on Apr 18, 2008 6:12 AM   
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Her foundering campaign is apparently desperate. She should halt the type of petty infighting that had helped successfully bore Repugnican triumphs in the past and just step aside. All reliable poll indications point to Barack anyway.

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And she's lost my support
Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 18, 2008 7:00 AM   
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I have, over the past few weeks, been on a number of blogs promoting the idea of reconciliation and the fact that we have to get the republicans out of the White House. I am an ardent Obama supporter (having even produced a video for the moveon.org 30 second commercial; I titled it “And We Love Him,” but I don’t know how it will be displayed). I have also said that if he does not secure the nomination, I will “double my efforts” to insure McCain is not the president. I’ve done this in spite of all the garbage the Clintons and their minions have thrown at Obama.

I’m here today to say I just made another contribution at barackobama.com as that’s the way to get him elected, am planning on making phone calls into Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana, have written one editorial to the newspapers in these states and will write a lot more this weekend...

AND will, under no circumstances, support the candidacy of Hillary Clinton.

The Clintons' Rovian tactics, the Rumsfeld-type blatant lies, the complete Cheney-style dishonesty, not to mention the GW-ish incompetence, is something I refuse to live with for another four or eight years (and I know her more rabid supporters will say my candidate, the presumptive democratic nominee, is a liar, but please don't provide me your list of "stupid" here as the "lies" you list have the voracity and substance of his big, scary "association" in this article).

If, by some miracle, because she’s obviously too ignorant to understand she’s lost (perhaps she’s not good with math, or cannot read), she secures the nomination, I probably won’t vote unless it’s close and then I’ll probably vote McCain—I hate that he thinks we’re “winning,” but at least I sort of know what he thinks (which is admittedly and shockingly probably less than Clinton) and he isn’t a gold medal liar like she obviously is.

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» RE: No, no, no - you can do better! Posted by: oregoncharles
» Yes! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
Hillary puts self above Party
Posted by: Dextrophage on Apr 18, 2008 7:16 AM   
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I think it is disgraceful that Hillary is willing to damage Obama's chances against the Republican candidate in order to get ahead. For putting her selfish interests above the need of the Party to win, she should drop out.

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» If Hillary can't win... Posted by: fluffmuffinmom
The Clinton smear machine
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 18, 2008 7:24 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Every day it becomes more evident to me that Hillary Clinton is simply a greedy, elitist, unpatriotic politician -- i.e. Republican in disguise.

If Hillary can't steal the nomination from Obama, expect her to torpedo the senator's campaign so she can run against President McCain in 2012.

On the bright side, if Hillary becomes the Democratic candidate, Obama can run again in 2012 against President McCain and win BIG time -- assuming America survives four more years of GOP White House rule.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com, the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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The Clintons Just Make Me Want To Vomit
Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 18, 2008 7:33 AM   
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!

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I will never vote for Hillary Clinton, period.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 18, 2008 8:29 AM   
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If it comes down to a Hillary - McCain matchup, I can't see myself voting for either of them. I beleive that a McCain - Hillary matchup would be a sham election - a staged circus run by external actors. Hillary would likely run the same strategy that McCain did.

I was convinced of that by the Gibson-Stephanopoulos staged hit attack on Barak Obama - obviously Hillary was the beneficiary there. Forget about her. I will never vote for her, under any circumstances whatsoever.

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The videos Hillary Clinton does NOT want you to see!
Posted by: jhecht on Apr 18, 2008 8:43 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

part 2 - spread it wide & far!

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Clintons adopt Republican smear tactics
Posted by: RobNLA on Apr 18, 2008 9:06 AM   
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About a year and half ago, I had a pretty favorable opinion of the Clintons. I thought they had each been the victims of numerous unfair Republican attacks.

When Hillary decided to run for President I thought she would do an ok job. She wasn't my favorite (I liked Edwards more), but I figured if she ended up the nomine, I would definitely vote for her. Back then she appeared to me to be a tough politician, but she had our backs...was at least a Democrat who tried to push the health care issue, even when it wasn't such a popular issue.

But this campaign has really changed that perception. Somewhere along the way, the Clintons have decided to adopt every dirty political trick played on them by the Republican smear machine. And worse yet, instead of using those tricks against Republicans (fighting fire with fire), they have decided to use those tricks against a fellow Democrat.

So now the main thing I dislike about the Republican Party (their smear machine), is now something I dislike about the Clintons as well.

Obama was right in the last debate, the Clinton's learned the wrong lesson from Bill's time in office. What we have seen during this campaign is the Clinton version of the Republican attack machine, and it's just as repulsive and dishonest and misleading.

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» hillary marching us off to war Posted by: WhuThe?!?
WHAT???
Posted by: sre on Apr 18, 2008 10:23 AM   
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We're actually going to elect one of these clowns as president of the country? We're giving one of them the highest office in the land? Not one of them seems to have the slightest knowledge or even interest in the things that count. Political debate? No this is more worthy of a gossip column in a small town newspaper. But, this is as good as it gets.
I think I'll vote for "none of the above". Oh well, I'll just go puke now.

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Bashing Hillary
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Apr 18, 2008 10:26 AM   
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Oh Hillary, you are definitely every bit as clever and cagey as your darling hubby, Bill.

Some of the garbage she comes up with to spew amazes me. She obviously has several people working overtime digging, digging, digging. She has become as nasty politically as Mr. Rove.

I've been doing some political comedy videos and posting them on you tube and other places. Some are on my video production tips blog which has a link below with my name. Plus There's a link to my you tube page.

My personal favorite is are the one where I make fun of Hillary for her habit of being Hillary.


Another is where I ask Bill O'Reilly why he needs to use a loofah. (That was part of his sexual harassment lawsuit where the young women claimed he wanted to use a loofah as a sex toy.)

Go check them out and pass them around!

Grandma looks bee-u-ti-fool in her blue yarn wig!

http://www.youtube.com/user/Whoopteedoo





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DESPERATION
Posted by: soowee on Apr 18, 2008 2:04 PM   
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This is just more of the same to be expected from a loser who is losing her grip on reality. Hillary just cannot bring herself to believe that she is not going to be "crowned" President by divine right, so she is now lashing out in desperation, hoping to destroy any and all who stand in her imperious way, much as her husband would also do.

They are a pair. This kind of nonsense has been exemplified by both Hillary and her husband since the early 1990's with the typical arrogance and hubris that infects them so. Notwithstanding the many unfair things that did happen to them back then, they ensure that they deserve any and all of it by their own arrogant behaviors.

I will NEVER vote for Hillary. I did not vote for her worthless husband in 1996, either.

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Flagpens, Reding & 'Riting
Posted by: bessie on Apr 18, 2008 2:07 PM   
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Hillary decided to go for the 'flagpen' (sp -one word) group. Why she thought these voters would be more important than the moderate vote is a mystery. Digging up Bill Ayers and relating him to 9/11 might scare some old ladies but most voters never heard of him or SDS or the Weather Underground. Blaming an 8 year old Obama for anything that went on during the Vietnam years makes her look insane. On a side note, we had a tip-off before, as Bill Ayres transformed into a respected advocate for educational reform and, at the same time, when the Clintons slashed funding for Headstart.

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It has everything to do with it.
Posted by: JimmyVaughan on Apr 18, 2008 2:37 PM   
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From Wikipedia.

"The Brink's robbery of 1981 (October 20, 1981) was an armed robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground (David Gilbert, Samuel Brown, Judith Alice Clark, Kathy Boudin, and Marilyn Buck) and the Black Liberation Army (Mutulu Shakur, Kuwasi Balagoon, Samuel Smith and Sekou Odinga, Cecilio "Chui" Ferguson, Samuel Brown (AKA Solomon Bouines) and an unknown number of accomplices, stole $1.6 million from a Brink's armored car at the Nanuet Mall, in Nanuet, New York, USA. The perpetrators killed two police officers, Edward O'Grady and Waverly Brown, and a Brinks guard, Peter Paige."

I hope you understand that Obama's connection to Weathermen, Bill Ayers, is a huge liability and will be used by the Republican smear machine.

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» RE: It has everything to do with it. Posted by: JimmyVaughan
» RE: It has everything to do with it. Posted by: JimmyVaughan
Have we forgotten?
Posted by: lvdragonlady on Apr 18, 2008 2:56 PM   
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I read most of the posts here and had to laugh. Did everyone forget, that all of the people mentioned back in the 60's are NOW the people in their 60's and are the ones that are running the corporations and holding public office.
I just find this extremely amusing.

We got old, but have we grown up?

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A new Revolution
Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Apr 18, 2008 3:23 PM   
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When the people in power cannot step down, because the skeletons in their closets will cost them their heads, they will leave in cuffs or in a box.

This country is ripe for another rebellion. All we need is the power structure to kick a few more blocks out from our infrastructure and we will have nothing left to lose. We will have justice and it will not be pretty or quiet. Justice will be a dish, best served cold.

Jay Lindberg

Author of- Drug War Economics- The Machine Behind the Madness

Nuke the Children (An honest assessment of our nuclear waste disposal policies)

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funnyguy
Posted by: funnyguy on Apr 18, 2008 3:43 PM   
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Of course, Hillary has her own skeletons, including the fact that she once worked for lawyer Bob Truehaft, a well-known Communist, who represented the Communist Party and Black Panthers, who in mainstream America were considered a terrorist organization.

This was not something that happened when she was 8 years old living in Indonesia, but something she chose to do as an adult. It would be fair to ask her why.

It also would be fair to ask her why she has chosen hypocrisy as her main campaign theme.

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I Thought Rudy Dropped Out
Posted by: desidid on Apr 18, 2008 5:27 PM   
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but, he reappeared in drag, and switched parties for the last Democratic Inquisition, I mean debate. Hillary is the "Ich bin ein Berliner" candidate no matter what state she is in, she has some connection to the state.

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Do You Know The Origin Of These Words
Posted by: desidid on Apr 18, 2008 5:43 PM   
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That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Written by the original American Revolutionaries

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The similarity of the 60s to 9/11 is....
Posted by: kellysgarden on Apr 18, 2008 7:46 PM   
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...to be found in the Northwoods Documents, where all the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on the false-flag operation which involved painting a military plane to make it look like a passenger jet, and remotely fly it as a drone and blow it up remotely over Cuba. There would be a false list of passengers and mock funerals. This would be blamed on Cuba, in order to justify a pretext for militarily invading Cuba.

This is indeed an uncanny similarity between the 60s and the false-flag attacks of 9/11.

All of the Joint Chiefs signed off on it, but when it was presented to JFK, he killed the plan and reassigned Lemnitzer.

The Northwoods Documents can be found and read online by simply doing a google search.

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BO2BS
Posted by: BO2BS on Apr 18, 2008 11:22 PM   
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Chin up OBAMASOLES! Obama lost, and your fan-boy ways lost, and your Obama Kool Aid lost.

When Obama teamed up with Edwards, it was OK. When MSNBC was unfair to Clinton, it was OK. But no, don't touch our pretty boy now???

Whiners!!!

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All power to the people
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Apr 19, 2008 9:29 AM   
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Now there's some "radicalism" we can all get behind.

jdfu!

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Qualifications
Posted by: drsivana99 on Apr 19, 2008 6:07 PM   
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Evidently then, the only acceptable sort of presidential candidate, the only kind of person fit to hold office, is someone who has never known or associated with anybody at all, ever, and whose opinions and outlook on life have remained unchanged from birth until the present day.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 20, 2008 1:45 AM   
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Representative democracy is obsolete.


Direct Democracy

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Today
Posted by: oxheadone on Apr 20, 2008 6:34 PM   
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we have remarkable evidence of how desperate Mrs Clinton is to be nominated for president. The Scafe-owned newspaper in Pittsburgh endorsed her. Scafe was one of the most important supporters and financers of the campaign to impeach President Clinton. She accepted the endorsement, which clearly indicates that the republican right wing wants Mrs Clinton nominated since they believe that she will be easier to defeat.

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» RE: Today Posted by: bessie
Contact your superdelegates
Posted by: Jackdemocracy08 on Apr 30, 2008 4:28 AM   
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As Sen. Hillary Clinton has ‘managed’ to take the Pennsylvania state, the Democratic race for nomination is very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates. Nevertheless.. Indiana ,Idaho and West Virginia are still to come.

If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, http://www.lobbydelegates.com enables you to do that. please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Obama in office?!

Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...

Clinton Supporters too …. !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?!

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...

REALLY easy to identify the superdelegates and reach out to them! It includes a list of names, addresses, and affiliations of superdelegates from each state including your state

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